Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Scicky]

Time for honesty.

What newcomers do you not want in? Not characters you necessarily hate or outright object to, heck it can be a character you like or indifferent.

Just characters you simply don’t want in just cause.

It’s only your opinion so try not to cause arguments.

Incineroar/Buzzwole: Pokemon is such a diverse franchise in terms of potential reps, so while I'm not completely opposed to these characters being in, I can't help but feel there are better or more interesting choices out there than characters who would probably end up being pretty standard brawlers with a few quirks. Plus, I want Zygarde-complete to be the newest rep, could have a spiking projectile in Thousand Arrows and access to Extreme Speed would give it Pikachu-like approach options despite being a much heavier character. The potential is way higher I think.

Minecraft Representation: Not interested.

Pretty Much Any Indie Rep: Honestly, there are some good picks here who I probably wouldn't be too choked about seeing get in, but I'm getting burnt out on 3rd parties in general, and I don't feel like there are any indie picks who've truly earned a place in Smash yet. Sorry.

Rayman/Rabbids: Again, just burnt out on 3rd Parties. They've definitely earned it, but I'd rather Banjo & Kazooie if we are getting another 3rd party.

Bandana Dee: Sorry, but why? Kirby's not starving for reps and even if it was, there are characters out there with way more moveset potential than Bandana Dee. He's cute, sure, and I wouldn't lose sleep over him getting in, but I can't wrap my head around his popularity as a Smash character at all.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

I can't help but have laughed with this one, even If we know Chrom is an echo mix character. lol

It's not a clone. It's not an echo. It's a:

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSION! AAAAH !!

 

[TMNTSSB4]

It's actually Sakurai in disguise and he is picking what characters to bring home for his kids (meaning us), lol

That makes even more sense

 

[Pakky]

Welp. There goes her being an echo fighter.

No, the opposite, the exact opposite, I'm excited now.

 

[Idon]

At this point FE feels more like a restaurant menu, lol

If FE is a menu, then I guess Awakening is the house special, because THEY KEEP ORDERING FROM THERE.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

I can't believe people on 4chan and Reddit are still trashing Vergeben. I'm not the type to idolize leakers, but the guy's first leak was literally confirmed with Simon. No sane person would have bet their reputation on Ridley, let alone Simon Belmont, who was not nearly as popular prior to E3. Leaks in the past always came with bits and pieces of the roster, and this is exactly what we're getting - likewise, people shouldn't be giving full roster leaks the time of day. The rest of his leaks come from different sources, though, so it's really a case of "which sources are legit," not "is Vergeben legit."

One interesting thing is that loz18 is disputing Vergeben's source on Isabelle in favor of Skull Kid, so I guess time will tell who has the more consistent sources.

Don't know if this has been corrected as I'm still a far ways back and am still catching up, but Vergeben has attributed Isabelle and no Decidueye/Mimikyu/Lycanroc to the same Smash sources as before, and Minecraft content is attached to one of the guys who told him no cuts/ICs/Snake/Ridley/Simon Belmont. They're not from new sources as I keep seeing people state. The one thing where the source of is unclear is Incineroar, but Vergeben implied it was one of his Smash sources.

Also Loz18 isn't contradicting Vergeben, he just stated he hasn't heard anything about Isabelle or a gen 7 pokemon and it's just his own personal speculation that he doesn't believe they'll happen.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Thanks. Now I can unleash my true and new refined tastes.

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Glad I’m not the only one who wants a Killer Instinct rep

 

[DarkFalcon]

I still can't believe Metroid got 2 reps. I remember people reaching for Sylux as the only rep for DLC because Dark Samus isn't that relevant anymore and Ridley was too big. I actually think K. Rool appeared in a game more recently than Dark Samus if my memory is right. (Obviously excluding her assist trophy is Smash 4)

 

[Troykv]

I'm right now writing some of my random thoughts about Smash Bros Ultimate and the potential of Fire Emblem Characters after the context of Chrom (with the potential Cons and Pros after that reveal).

 

[SirCamp]

Here's your daily dose of supposed leaks.

Spoiler: Session

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

Alright, I can't give you anything resembling a release date or a complete roster, nor any concrete info on Echo Fighters, but I have info from an inside source and I need to share it with someone.

>the reason why there's so many fan favorites is because half the roster is based on fan requests, while the other half is based on what the development team wants
>Inkling, K. Rool and Ridley are all supposedly derived from fan feedback received during the ballot
>Simon was chosen primarily by the music team during negotiations with Konami, they cared more about getting the music than the character
>the project plan from December 2015 has 10 unique newcomers on it, nothing about echo fighters, things may have changed during development
>I was given info on Simon, K. Rool and three unrevealed characters
>one is another Ballot result, Professor Layton, chosen based primarily on Japanese results in contrast to K. Rool and Ridley
>the other two are staff choices, and come across as bizarre
>the art design team chose Demitri Maximoff from Vampire Savior simply because they wanted to have fun designing Midnight Bliss designs for the entire cast, they were supposedly debating whether to use 2D illustrations or 3D renders
>Sakurai himself had a very unique request that was only possible thanks to Square Enix's partnership, he chose JC Denton from the Deus Ex series, turns out he's a huge fan of the games
>Adam Jensen was being considered as an alternate costume early on, he may have been turned into an Echo Fighter judging by Richter's inclusion

Demitri Maximoff and JC Denton are literal whos, and the idea of Sakurai and his team doing what they want goes against everything we know about them.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

The next character to be revealed will be Doshin from Doshin the Giant.

His final smash will be his transformation into Jashin.

He is the largest character in the game.

Doshin is too big lol /s

Spoiler: "Leak" 3

Alright, /v/, it's time for the next round of Smash Ultimate Leaks. I'll put the thick of it here but you can ask me anything I might've left out. English isn't my first language so I may make some mistakes.

There are at least 3 newcomers left to be revealed and 3 echoes. I don't know all the characters who will be in final game but I know with confidence that all of these are legitimate newcomers.

-Isabelle will echo Villager, I think she's a little bit faster but overall weaker and has a unique recovery special. She also has a new FS.
-Ken will echo Ryu. Their differences are actually bigger in Smash than SF for some reason, Ken is much much slower and stronger than Ryu.
-Linkle will actually echo Link. I couldn't believe it either, but hey. She has Young Link's bombs but BOTW Link's hitboxes/hurtboxes and can't pick up arrows but has two crossbows and shoots two arrows at all times. FS is a reskin of Link's. She has a new appearance that looks like Link's Wild armor from BOTW.
-Geno is in fact in the game. He is entirely new and based on his appearance in Super Mario RPG. He has Geno Beam as neutral special, Geno Whirl as side special. Down special is variation of Geno Flash kind of like Bastion from Overwatch's turret transformation with 180 degree range. FS is reskinned PK Star storm but with just one star at a time like in Brawl and Smash 4.
-Heihachi is a new full character. he fights similarly to Mario except for his specials. He looks like he does as an older man in the more recent Tekken games. His FS is like a Tekken special attack. I think he is voiced by Sakurai.
-Kamek will be in the game to complete the heroes vs. villains theme of the game with the original 8. Kamek can fight either on the ground or use his recovery special to switch onto his broomstick and fly. Kamek doesn't hit his opponents physically at all, but only uses magic. His FS is to summon an army of Koopas to run across the stage for a few seconds, it is very good and can kill at 0.

Typical stuff. I don't really like the idea of Kamek, especially for the sake of filling a quota. Heihachi voiced by Sakurai would be funny.

Spoiler: "Leak" 4

September Nintendo Direct
36e Dixie Kong, 38e2 Dillon, 68 Pyra, 68e Mythra

October Nintendo Direct
14e Dry Bowser, 38e Shadow, 45e Isabelle, 69 Skull Kid

September Final Smash Direct
64e Octoling, 41e Zeraora, 60e Ken, 60e2 Akuma, 70 Chun-Li, 70e M. Bison, 71 Monster Hunter

Secret Characters
72 Banjo & Kazooie, 73 Gruntilda, 74 Geno, 75 ???

Echo Fever taken to the nth degree. Sonic having two echo fighters in particular is ridiculous, as are Zeraora being an echo of Lucario and M. Bison being an echo of CHUN-LI. This is ridiculous.

Spoiler: "Leak" 5

I know everyone hates leaks and doesn't believe them. Thats up to you to decide. In the end you'll know im right in due time. Also I know people will be upset that I don't have evidence. I apologize but I don't have any gameplay footage to share or any real look at the movesets. Enjoy the leak people. (I understand why many will believe it is sketchy)

So far there are 73 characters including all echos as uniques, and that number will go to 80. There are 1 unique third party, 1 third party echo, 1 more echo character, and 4 other characters. The characters are:

Skull Kid
Isaac
Isabelle (her own character, most likely due to the villager's moves not really fitting with Isabelle's persona, although I'm unsure)
Bandana Dee
Dixie Kong (echo)
Shadow (echo)
Banjo Kazooie


Assist trophies are:
Chorus Kids
Marx
Decidueye
Elma
Geno (sorry fans)
Shantae (sorry fans)
More will be announced in a smash direct early December, a couple days before the game launches

Story mode is a thing, called Spirits. Although Mario appears dead, he's actually fallen down into a pit and finds the other 7 original smash characters. You work together and go to other characters homelands, like dream land, and defeat the bosses possessing the area. All bosses are being controlled by master hand. Dracula and Dr Eggman are bosses guys.

Hope you are excited. Enjoy yourselves. Enjoy the hype

Oof @ Geno, Elma, and Chorus Kids fans. I'd pour a real strong one out for all ya'll.

Spoiler: "Leak" 6

Smash bros Ultimate info
characters:
Isabelle
Shadow
Elma
Geno
Incineroar (personally I wanted zeraora but **** it)
bandana Waddle dee -
skull kid
The new mode is not story mode btw more on that later.

Standard ****.

Spoiler: "Leak" 7

Alright boys, it's that time of day again. Staying anonymous for obvious reasons.

Characters: (In order) Star Road, Pol7, Lanky, Chaos

Ultimate Spirits: New story mode that acts as a nostalgia trip. all Smash 64 characters get their own levels, designed after one of their original games, the main boss being a corrupted, powered-up version of said game's antagonist. For example, Mario gets his own level, designed after Bob-Omb Battlefield from Super Mario 64. Bowser is the boss of that level, and upon beating him you are rewarded with Mario's Smash 64 skin to play as. About 3-4 hours of gameplay for average players.

Date: This direct is planned to be scheduled on September 17th, and the direct after that is to be scheduled somewhere in the last week of November, just less than 2 weeks before the release of Ultimate.

Star Road is obviously Geno, but who could the rest be? I have no clue.

Spoiler: "Leak" 8

New Info on Story Mode
The story mode is called Spirits and focuses on collecting the spirits of dead characters from bosses

There are some cutscenes and the whole thing is meant to take 10 hours for the average player to complete.

The dead characters include:
-Zelda
-DeDeDe
-Mario
-Luigi
-Megaman
-Diddy Kong
-Falco
-Olimar
-Jigglypuff
Some of these characters die in future reveal trailers, but some die in cutscenes in the story mode. There are 10 bosses. 9 bosses to get the spirits back and 1 Final Boss.

Bosses:
-Rathalos
-Dracula
-Lord Nightmare
-Necrozma
-Dark Bowser
-Lord Fredrik
-Parasite Queen
-Kamek
-The Gorgon
-Gohma
The final boss is a completely original smash creation called "The Puppeteer". It is a shadowy figure holding the strings of puppets which are used to fight the player(s).

Subspace Emissary is co-op and you can choose who you want to play as. There is varying dialogue/cutscenes based on who the player(s) choose.

Expect this information to be revealed in a few months.

So, according to this "leak" is Subspace also coming back alongside Spirits?

Because that'd be ****ing hype.

Spoiler: "Leak" 9

I'm involved in the next direct - airing in Early October.

There will be another one in November but I'm not involved in it.

>Starts off with Professor Layton reveal
>Focuses on Singleplayer (Name isn't finalized, though logo is similar to subspace)
>Briefly touches the story and some cutscenes
>Goes to online modes and goes into detail about those
>Ken and Shadow echo fighters revealed
>"End"
>Banjo reveal

Believe it, don't believe it. I don't give a **** - but that's whats in the October Smash Direct.

There's still 1 more after that in late November.

Bruh that's one heck of a Direct. And we get another one with the last round of characters after that? This Smash Bros. is already the best, but this would make it better.

Spoiler: "Leak" 10

No long winded spiel of "Blah blah blah, work for Nintendo" or ****, you already know these are happening. I only know 3 characters

Newcomers:

Tapu Koko: It's not Inciniroar. Final Smash is its Z-Move, down B puts electric patches down that work like traps in other games, stepping on one causes daze akin to shield break. VERY fast, about Captain Falcon speed. There are NO alternate costumes of the other Tapus

Isabelle: Not an echo fighter. Works like Phoenix Wright in Marvel where her attacks act like accidents, though she has Villager's dash attack where she trips while carrying something. Final Smash is dropping a leaf which turns into a random village item like a fountain or monkey bars, very short range, akin to Ike's

Echoes:

Medusa: You can ****ing blame Emily Roger for opening her big yap about this. If I'm going down, I'm taking that ***** with me. Echo of Palutena and seriously go **** yourself Emily, god damnit, I told you this **** in confidence and you go yap

Another reference to Emily Roger saying something but there's no source behind it. I'm offering a bounty of fake internet points to whoever can find a source of Emily Roger saying this.

Spoiler: "Leak" 11

Leakfag here. I almost feel bad spoiling this because im sure it will be hype as ****, but no one will believe me anyway so whatever.

Banjo's in, but he's going to pull a simon and also introduce another character no one saw coming. Gruntilda is in.

She is the first smash character with free flight. It's very risk/reward though, its slowish, and any hit to her at all has her tumble straight down off the broom with no recovery, getting stuck in the ground for a second.

Minecraft is also in, but it's just a stage I think and I know at least the creeper is an assist trophy. Basically works as a homing electrode.

That sounds like an interesting concept to Gruntilda, but I'd need to see it in action to believe it. Free flight sounds OP though.

Spoiler: "Leak" 12

I have insider information that told me that there's going to be another Smash Bros. Ultimate focused direct on September 12th. I don't know very much but this is what I have.

2 new echo fighters will be revealed:
38' Shadow
45' Isabelle
{Apparently Sakurai acknowledges the recent number of assist trophies upgraded to fighters this iteration of the game.}

2 Newcomers:
69 Monster Hunter
70 Incineroar
{68: Crono, will be revealed in a Nintendo Direct in late August along with a Guardia Castle stage.}

Stages:
Pac-Maze - Returning
Jungle Hyjnx - Returning
Ancestral Steppe - New
Tapu Ruins - New
{Weird gimmick where all 4 Tapu pokemon are a stage hazard. Players have to summon them somehow when a totem pole appears on the stage. I only know about 2 of them,
Tapu Koko - Electric Surge:
The entire field becomes an electric terrain to where it damages fighters for a period of time.
Tapu Bulu: Grassy Surge
Covers the stage in some kind of green mist and the player who managed to summon get's healed for a duration of time similar to the healing field item.

Modes:
Smash Run {Supports up to 8 players/CPUs, new final battles been added such as stamina battles, you can interact with each other in Smash Run, you can still gain gold, trophies, mystery/custom bags, etc. Can be played online.}
Smash Tour - Basically like Smash 4.

Standard fare, minus Crono, who could be a pretty fun addition. If I had to rank potential SE Reps though, I'd go Geno = Sora > Terra Branford > Agnes Olbige = Lara Croft > Adam Jensen. Again, Smash Tour coming back would be welcome.

Spoiler: "Leak" 13

Hello all. I am a current employee at NoA, and over the past six months (since I first heard about it), I’ve been trying to gather as much information as I can regarding this upcoming Smash Bros. game. It’s been hard, as Kyoto and Reggie have been extremely tight-lipped regarding anything having to do with Ultimate, but I think I’ve gathered enough info for you all to be satisfied.

1. Firstly, Geno, Shadow, and Isabelle are indeed playable. There are no new Kirby, Zelda, Street Fighter, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Final Fantasy, Kid Icarus, Punch-Out!, F-Zero, Earthbound, Pikmin, Metal Gear, or Starfox reps. I have no information on Pokémon.
2. Subspace Emissary is NOT back.
3. Another direct is planned for October and maybe November. (there is currently a discussion on when to announce and show off the new mode and some other stuff). None in September or December.
3. The Masterpieces are returning.
4. Target Smash, Board the Platforms, and Smash Tour are not returning.
5. Spring-Man, the Octolings, Rex and Pyra, and any character from BOTW or SMO will NOT be playable in the base roster or DLC as they are too new. This may change further down the line, but as it stands, they aren’t in.
6. Isaac, Saki Amamiya, Skull Kid, and Dillon will all remain as assist trophies.
7. Rhythm Heaven will be represented in some way, but I wasn’t told how.
8. 3rd party characters Spyro, Travis Touchdown, and Rayman/Rabbids were all considered at one point as DLC but have since been rejected. Crash Bandicoot and Banjo and Kazooie are still being considered for DLC.
9. Shovel Knight is the only indie representation. Shantae and Steve were originally intended to also be in the game, but both were cut.
10. Online mode is still being tweaked, but a full reveal is planned.

Regular stuff. Take a video.

Spoiler: "Leak" 14

>Yes, the new mode is called "Spirits."
>It's basically a shorter and much less exhausting version of the SSE where you take control of certain characters and attempt to free their spirits. Freeing their spirits will unlock said characters.
>Most characters have a random boss attached to it. There are a total of 12 bosses from multiple series like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Monster Hunter, etc.
>There are CG cutscenes.
>The remaining newcomers are: Paper Mario, Yuri Kozukata from Fatal Frame, Skull Kid from Zelda, Isaac from Golden Sun, Heihachi from Tekken, Shadow as an echo for Sonic, Ken as an echo for Ryu, and Geno. Yuri, Skull Kid, and Isaac are the last three first-party characters while Heihachi, Shadow, Ken, and Geno will be the last third-party characters.
>Paper Mario's Final Smash is a cinematic that plays out in the style of a Paper Mario battle where he will choose an attack and hit the opponent with a lot of theatrics.
>Yuri's Final Smash involves her using the Camera Obscura and achieving a Fatal Frame against those that were targeted.
>Heihachi's is pretty much like Tekken 7, just altered a little bit.
>There is one more newcomer in the game as well. They are a big request so it's up to you to figure out who it is. They are insanely popular, that's all I'll say.
>New Assist Trophies include Fawful, Stallord, Kamek, Bandana Dee, Aran Ryan, Mad King Gangrel from Fire Emblem, Ouse Kurosawa from Fatal Frame, Rayman, Yoshimitsu and Chun-Li, among others
>Some stages left to be revealed are Busted Bayou from Donkey Kong Country, Gargoyle's Perch from Tekken, Mount Hikami from Fatal Frame, Bowser's Castle and some returning ones are Planet Zebes, Icicle Mountain, Poke Floats (with new Pokemon), Jungle Hijinxs, Paper Mario, Mute City, and Rainbow Road

That's all I have for today. I hope you guys like the game. We are working very hard on it. Goodbye.

This is one solid roster. Very nice. Who would you think the "one more newcomer" is?

Spoiler: "Leak" 15

Hello there 4chan.
I am a member of the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate animation studio. As you would expect, we work on the cinematic reveal trailers.
I wanted to reveal a bit of information for you Earthbound fans.
We have been working on a trailer after the reveal of King. K Rool, Simon, and Richter.
The trailer features Mega Man after the Ridley reveal trailer. It will involve Mega Man exploring a laboratory, eventually coming across and being attacked by Pokey Minch, being revealed as the next new fighter.
Sadly, I am not sure how he will play.

Porky is unconventional, but a "leak" like this is easily traceable back to the source. RIP OP.

Spoiler: "Leak" 16

Hello everyone, now I’m sure you’ve seen at least a few Smash Leaks. Now I must say that there is only one leaker so far who was right on everything he leaked, Loz18. Vergeben did however get a few things wrong, for example, he was correct about Decidueye and some other Pokémon not making it into the roster. But Incineroar is NOT the new Pokémon. With that out of the way, I do have information about the game. I did know about Simon, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, & King K. Rool. I did not leak them because when I found out they were gonna be revealed along with the other pieces of info in the Direct, there were only about 16 hours until the Direct, no point in it. Now, onto the information.

Story Mode
>The Mystery Mode is indeed titled “Spirits” and is a Story Mode. It was going to be “Subspace Emissary 2” but the title was scrapped due to the Story Mode having nothing to do with Subspace
>Every CGI trailer we’ve seen has teases to the Story. You know, Mario, Mega Man, & Luigi dying. Except for the announcement trailer
>Spirits is, however, a sequel to the Subspace Emissary
>Characters in Brawl do remember the events of Subspace
>The following characters remember the events of Subspace: Villager, Mewtwo, Little Mac, Palutena, Shulk, & Ridley
>The following characters have Voice Actors: Fox, Falco, Marth, Lucina, Roy, Chrom, Pit, Dark Pit, Snake, Ike, Sonic, Wolf, Palutena, Robin, Shulk, Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta, Simon Belmont, & Richter
>The first unlockable character that joins your party is Meta Knight
>Mario becomes Dr. Mario in some parts of Spirits
>The first cutscene in Spirits starts off with the ending of Subspace, the final battle caused the 1st party universes to merge with the 3rd party universes that aren’t Metal Gear and Sonic the Hedgehog
>all the CGI moments in trailers we see are in fact actual cutscenes in Story Mode
>I do not have information on the big bad
MODES
>Spirits & All Star Mode are the last modes to be revealed
>All Star Mode is the same but the background closely resembles Brawl’s than any other
>The 2nd icon on the dashboard, the only blurred out one, is too check your party in Spirits

ASSIST TROPHIES
>Dixie Kong
>Impa
>Tingle
>Sylux
>Medusa
>Elma
>Wonder Red
>Chun-Li
>Leon S. Kennedy
>Noctis
>Lloyd
>Akira
>Crash Bandicoot

STAGES
>The Monster Hunter Stage is exclusive to Spirits
>If you select Random on Stage Morph, it’ll morph between every Stage
>Stage Builder returns
>Poké Floats
>Minecraft Island
>Bowser’s Castle
>Hano Beach

CHARACTERS
>Sakurai is only focusing on characters who have been requested for years. Rex & Pyra, Decidueye, Spring Man, ect.
>Paper Mario, Chorus Kids, & Heihachi were scrapped
>Ms. Pac Man is a Pac Man alt
>Echo Fighters
>Black Shadow (Captain Falcon)
>Shadow (Sonic)
>Isabelle (Villager)
>Ken (Ryu)
>Octoling (Inkling)

>Shadow could be considered a Semi-Clone of Sonic as 2 of his moves differ from Sonic’s
>Up B is Teleportation
>Standard B is Chaos Sphere
>Final Smash is Super Shadow but he uses Chaos Control before he goes Super

>Unique Fighters
>Geno
>Skull Kid
>Bandana Dee
>Sceptile
>Isaac
>Banjo Kazooie

>I have no word on when the next Nintendo Direct will be

The characters portion of this leak is really confusing, but it's a solid roster overall.

Spoiler: "Leak" 17

>Gardevoir
>Gothitelle (echo of Gardevoir)
>Metal Mario (echo of Mario)
>Elma
>Fiora (echo of Elma)
>Rayman
>Black Shadow (echo of Captain Falcon, has the specials of Ganondorf though)

thoughts?

I almost didn't count this due to low effort. Do you think I should count this one? I'll leave it up to you.

Also, here's the NeoGAF leak in mention:

Spoiler: NeoGAF "leak" Session

It's supposedly an extension to this leak:

Do we know if the first "leak" is actually an extension of the second? Paging Jibblypuff_ because he seems to know more about this than I do.

Man I would be very pleased with 5, 14, or 16 being real. Particularly if the one more newcomer in 14 is Banjo. lol I'm a little surprised by the lack of confidence people seem to have for Dixie though. At this point I'm actually quite convinced she's happening.

Also the story mode leak seems pretty cool too.

But also can we talk about how there are a couple leaks claiming we'll get Banjo AND Gruntilda? Which is just honestly crazy talk. But, ugh it's just making me think about the possibilities and I would be so down for that. I need to take a break from this site before my hopes and dreams get any more insane.

 

[Will]

I'm right now writing some of my random thoughts about Smash Bros Ultimate and the potential of Fire Emblem Characters after the context of Chrom (with the potential Cons and Pros after that reveal).

burned at the ****ing stake if the general public see another one, because at least they expected chrom in the long run

 

[WertQuadNine]

Time for honesty.

What newcomers do you not want in? Not characters you necessarily hate or outright object to, heck it can be a character you like or indifferent.

Just characters you simply don’t want in just cause.

It’s only your opinion so try not to cause arguments.

Pretty sure this is a discussion somewhere, but nonetheless...

Skyrim / Dark Souls rep - two great franchises that I wouldn't mind seeing in some capacity, but those games aren't known for their characters. Plus they'd both be generic armored warriors that can use some magic.

Rabbids - I'm all for Rayman so Rabbids is pretty much worst-case-scenario for the Ubisoft rep. They're minions imo. I hate minions.

Incineroar - I wouldn't HATE this one, but I definitely prefer Decidueye or Tapu Koko way more(rip Mimikyu :/)

Another Mother rep - I have nothing against the series, but it's so ancient/unimportant nowadays that they should just leave it as is. No offense.

Another Animal Crossing rep (?) - Now, I used to be against this idea, but with Isabelle being leaked, I've actually warmed up to it. I just gotta see her move set.

Most 3rd party third-party echo suggestions - Shadow and Ken are the only ones I wouldn't mind current 3rd party wise.

Probably some more, but all I can think of right now.

 

[Jibblypuff_]

Here's your daily dose of supposed leaks.

Spoiler: Session

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

Alright, I can't give you anything resembling a release date or a complete roster, nor any concrete info on Echo Fighters, but I have info from an inside source and I need to share it with someone.

>the reason why there's so many fan favorites is because half the roster is based on fan requests, while the other half is based on what the development team wants
>Inkling, K. Rool and Ridley are all supposedly derived from fan feedback received during the ballot
>Simon was chosen primarily by the music team during negotiations with Konami, they cared more about getting the music than the character
>the project plan from December 2015 has 10 unique newcomers on it, nothing about echo fighters, things may have changed during development
>I was given info on Simon, K. Rool and three unrevealed characters
>one is another Ballot result, Professor Layton, chosen based primarily on Japanese results in contrast to K. Rool and Ridley
>the other two are staff choices, and come across as bizarre
>the art design team chose Demitri Maximoff from Vampire Savior simply because they wanted to have fun designing Midnight Bliss designs for the entire cast, they were supposedly debating whether to use 2D illustrations or 3D renders
>Sakurai himself had a very unique request that was only possible thanks to Square Enix's partnership, he chose JC Denton from the Deus Ex series, turns out he's a huge fan of the games
>Adam Jensen was being considered as an alternate costume early on, he may have been turned into an Echo Fighter judging by Richter's inclusion

Demitri Maximoff and JC Denton are literal whos, and the idea of Sakurai and his team doing what they want goes against everything we know about them.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

The next character to be revealed will be Doshin from Doshin the Giant.

His final smash will be his transformation into Jashin.

He is the largest character in the game.

Doshin is too big lol /s

Spoiler: "Leak" 3

Alright, /v/, it's time for the next round of Smash Ultimate Leaks. I'll put the thick of it here but you can ask me anything I might've left out. English isn't my first language so I may make some mistakes.

There are at least 3 newcomers left to be revealed and 3 echoes. I don't know all the characters who will be in final game but I know with confidence that all of these are legitimate newcomers.

-Isabelle will echo Villager, I think she's a little bit faster but overall weaker and has a unique recovery special. She also has a new FS.
-Ken will echo Ryu. Their differences are actually bigger in Smash than SF for some reason, Ken is much much slower and stronger than Ryu.
-Linkle will actually echo Link. I couldn't believe it either, but hey. She has Young Link's bombs but BOTW Link's hitboxes/hurtboxes and can't pick up arrows but has two crossbows and shoots two arrows at all times. FS is a reskin of Link's. She has a new appearance that looks like Link's Wild armor from BOTW.
-Geno is in fact in the game. He is entirely new and based on his appearance in Super Mario RPG. He has Geno Beam as neutral special, Geno Whirl as side special. Down special is variation of Geno Flash kind of like Bastion from Overwatch's turret transformation with 180 degree range. FS is reskinned PK Star storm but with just one star at a time like in Brawl and Smash 4.
-Heihachi is a new full character. he fights similarly to Mario except for his specials. He looks like he does as an older man in the more recent Tekken games. His FS is like a Tekken special attack. I think he is voiced by Sakurai.
-Kamek will be in the game to complete the heroes vs. villains theme of the game with the original 8. Kamek can fight either on the ground or use his recovery special to switch onto his broomstick and fly. Kamek doesn't hit his opponents physically at all, but only uses magic. His FS is to summon an army of Koopas to run across the stage for a few seconds, it is very good and can kill at 0.

Typical stuff. I don't really like the idea of Kamek, especially for the sake of filling a quota. Heihachi voiced by Sakurai would be funny.

Spoiler: "Leak" 4

September Nintendo Direct
36e Dixie Kong, 38e2 Dillon, 68 Pyra, 68e Mythra

October Nintendo Direct
14e Dry Bowser, 38e Shadow, 45e Isabelle, 69 Skull Kid

September Final Smash Direct
64e Octoling, 41e Zeraora, 60e Ken, 60e2 Akuma, 70 Chun-Li, 70e M. Bison, 71 Monster Hunter

Secret Characters
72 Banjo & Kazooie, 73 Gruntilda, 74 Geno, 75 ???

Echo Fever taken to the nth degree. Sonic having two echo fighters in particular is ridiculous, as are Zeraora being an echo of Lucario and M. Bison being an echo of CHUN-LI. This is ridiculous.

Spoiler: "Leak" 5

I know everyone hates leaks and doesn't believe them. Thats up to you to decide. In the end you'll know im right in due time. Also I know people will be upset that I don't have evidence. I apologize but I don't have any gameplay footage to share or any real look at the movesets. Enjoy the leak people. (I understand why many will believe it is sketchy)

So far there are 73 characters including all echos as uniques, and that number will go to 80. There are 1 unique third party, 1 third party echo, 1 more echo character, and 4 other characters. The characters are:

Skull Kid
Isaac
Isabelle (her own character, most likely due to the villager's moves not really fitting with Isabelle's persona, although I'm unsure)
Bandana Dee
Dixie Kong (echo)
Shadow (echo)
Banjo Kazooie


Assist trophies are:
Chorus Kids
Marx
Decidueye
Elma
Geno (sorry fans)
Shantae (sorry fans)
More will be announced in a smash direct early December, a couple days before the game launches

Story mode is a thing, called Spirits. Although Mario appears dead, he's actually fallen down into a pit and finds the other 7 original smash characters. You work together and go to other characters homelands, like dream land, and defeat the bosses possessing the area. All bosses are being controlled by master hand. Dracula and Dr Eggman are bosses guys.

Hope you are excited. Enjoy yourselves. Enjoy the hype

Oof @ Geno, Elma, and Chorus Kids fans. I'd pour a real strong one out for all ya'll.

Spoiler: "Leak" 6

Smash bros Ultimate info
characters:
Isabelle
Shadow
Elma
Geno
Incineroar (personally I wanted zeraora but **** it)
bandana Waddle dee -
skull kid
The new mode is not story mode btw more on that later.

Standard ****.

Spoiler: "Leak" 7

Alright boys, it's that time of day again. Staying anonymous for obvious reasons.

Characters: (In order) Star Road, Pol7, Lanky, Chaos

Ultimate Spirits: New story mode that acts as a nostalgia trip. all Smash 64 characters get their own levels, designed after one of their original games, the main boss being a corrupted, powered-up version of said game's antagonist. For example, Mario gets his own level, designed after Bob-Omb Battlefield from Super Mario 64. Bowser is the boss of that level, and upon beating him you are rewarded with Mario's Smash 64 skin to play as. About 3-4 hours of gameplay for average players.

Date: This direct is planned to be scheduled on September 17th, and the direct after that is to be scheduled somewhere in the last week of November, just less than 2 weeks before the release of Ultimate.

Star Road is obviously Geno, but who could the rest be? I have no clue.

Spoiler: "Leak" 8

New Info on Story Mode
The story mode is called Spirits and focuses on collecting the spirits of dead characters from bosses

There are some cutscenes and the whole thing is meant to take 10 hours for the average player to complete.

The dead characters include:
-Zelda
-DeDeDe
-Mario
-Luigi
-Megaman
-Diddy Kong
-Falco
-Olimar
-Jigglypuff
Some of these characters die in future reveal trailers, but some die in cutscenes in the story mode. There are 10 bosses. 9 bosses to get the spirits back and 1 Final Boss.

Bosses:
-Rathalos
-Dracula
-Lord Nightmare
-Necrozma
-Dark Bowser
-Lord Fredrik
-Parasite Queen
-Kamek
-The Gorgon
-Gohma
The final boss is a completely original smash creation called "The Puppeteer". It is a shadowy figure holding the strings of puppets which are used to fight the player(s).

Subspace Emissary is co-op and you can choose who you want to play as. There is varying dialogue/cutscenes based on who the player(s) choose.

Expect this information to be revealed in a few months.

So, according to this "leak" is Subspace also coming back alongside Spirits?

Because that'd be ****ing hype.

Spoiler: "Leak" 9

I'm involved in the next direct - airing in Early October.

There will be another one in November but I'm not involved in it.

>Starts off with Professor Layton reveal
>Focuses on Singleplayer (Name isn't finalized, though logo is similar to subspace)
>Briefly touches the story and some cutscenes
>Goes to online modes and goes into detail about those
>Ken and Shadow echo fighters revealed
>"End"
>Banjo reveal

Believe it, don't believe it. I don't give a **** - but that's whats in the October Smash Direct.

There's still 1 more after that in late November.

Bruh that's one heck of a Direct. And we get another one with the last round of characters after that? This Smash Bros. is already the best, but this would make it better.

Spoiler: "Leak" 10

No long winded spiel of "Blah blah blah, work for Nintendo" or ****, you already know these are happening. I only know 3 characters

Newcomers:

Tapu Koko: It's not Inciniroar. Final Smash is its Z-Move, down B puts electric patches down that work like traps in other games, stepping on one causes daze akin to shield break. VERY fast, about Captain Falcon speed. There are NO alternate costumes of the other Tapus

Isabelle: Not an echo fighter. Works like Phoenix Wright in Marvel where her attacks act like accidents, though she has Villager's dash attack where she trips while carrying something. Final Smash is dropping a leaf which turns into a random village item like a fountain or monkey bars, very short range, akin to Ike's

Echoes:

Medusa: You can ****ing blame Emily Roger for opening her big yap about this. If I'm going down, I'm taking that ***** with me. Echo of Palutena and seriously go **** yourself Emily, god damnit, I told you this **** in confidence and you go yap

Another reference to Emily Roger saying something but there's no source behind it. I'm offering a bounty of fake internet points to whoever can find a source of Emily Roger saying this.

Spoiler: "Leak" 11

Leakfag here. I almost feel bad spoiling this because im sure it will be hype as ****, but no one will believe me anyway so whatever.

Banjo's in, but he's going to pull a simon and also introduce another character no one saw coming. Gruntilda is in.

She is the first smash character with free flight. It's very risk/reward though, its slowish, and any hit to her at all has her tumble straight down off the broom with no recovery, getting stuck in the ground for a second.

Minecraft is also in, but it's just a stage I think and I know at least the creeper is an assist trophy. Basically works as a homing electrode.

That sounds like an interesting concept to Gruntilda, but I'd need to see it in action to believe it. Free flight sounds OP though.

Spoiler: "Leak" 12

I have insider information that told me that there's going to be another Smash Bros. Ultimate focused direct on September 12th. I don't know very much but this is what I have.

2 new echo fighters will be revealed:
38' Shadow
45' Isabelle
{Apparently Sakurai acknowledges the recent number of assist trophies upgraded to fighters this iteration of the game.}

2 Newcomers:
69 Monster Hunter
70 Incineroar
{68: Crono, will be revealed in a Nintendo Direct in late August along with a Guardia Castle stage.}

Stages:
Pac-Maze - Returning
Jungle Hyjnx - Returning
Ancestral Steppe - New
Tapu Ruins - New
{Weird gimmick where all 4 Tapu pokemon are a stage hazard. Players have to summon them somehow when a totem pole appears on the stage. I only know about 2 of them,
Tapu Koko - Electric Surge:
The entire field becomes an electric terrain to where it damages fighters for a period of time.
Tapu Bulu: Grassy Surge
Covers the stage in some kind of green mist and the player who managed to summon get's healed for a duration of time similar to the healing field item.

Modes:
Smash Run {Supports up to 8 players/CPUs, new final battles been added such as stamina battles, you can interact with each other in Smash Run, you can still gain gold, trophies, mystery/custom bags, etc. Can be played online.}
Smash Tour - Basically like Smash 4.

Standard fare, minus Crono, who could be a pretty fun addition. If I had to rank potential SE Reps though, I'd go Geno = Sora > Terra Branford > Agnes Olbige = Lara Croft > Adam Jensen. Again, Smash Tour coming back would be welcome.

Spoiler: "Leak" 13

Hello all. I am a current employee at NoA, and over the past six months (since I first heard about it), I’ve been trying to gather as much information as I can regarding this upcoming Smash Bros. game. It’s been hard, as Kyoto and Reggie have been extremely tight-lipped regarding anything having to do with Ultimate, but I think I’ve gathered enough info for you all to be satisfied.

1. Firstly, Geno, Shadow, and Isabelle are indeed playable. There are no new Kirby, Zelda, Street Fighter, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Final Fantasy, Kid Icarus, Punch-Out!, F-Zero, Earthbound, Pikmin, Metal Gear, or Starfox reps. I have no information on Pokémon.
2. Subspace Emissary is NOT back.
3. Another direct is planned for October and maybe November. (there is currently a discussion on when to announce and show off the new mode and some other stuff). None in September or December.
3. The Masterpieces are returning.
4. Target Smash, Board the Platforms, and Smash Tour are not returning.
5. Spring-Man, the Octolings, Rex and Pyra, and any character from BOTW or SMO will NOT be playable in the base roster or DLC as they are too new. This may change further down the line, but as it stands, they aren’t in.
6. Isaac, Saki Amamiya, Skull Kid, and Dillon will all remain as assist trophies.
7. Rhythm Heaven will be represented in some way, but I wasn’t told how.
8. 3rd party characters Spyro, Travis Touchdown, and Rayman/Rabbids were all considered at one point as DLC but have since been rejected. Crash Bandicoot and Banjo and Kazooie are still being considered for DLC.
9. Shovel Knight is the only indie representation. Shantae and Steve were originally intended to also be in the game, but both were cut.
10. Online mode is still being tweaked, but a full reveal is planned.

Regular stuff. Take a video.

Spoiler: "Leak" 14

>Yes, the new mode is called "Spirits."
>It's basically a shorter and much less exhausting version of the SSE where you take control of certain characters and attempt to free their spirits. Freeing their spirits will unlock said characters.
>Most characters have a random boss attached to it. There are a total of 12 bosses from multiple series like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Monster Hunter, etc.
>There are CG cutscenes.
>The remaining newcomers are: Paper Mario, Yuri Kozukata from Fatal Frame, Skull Kid from Zelda, Isaac from Golden Sun, Heihachi from Tekken, Shadow as an echo for Sonic, Ken as an echo for Ryu, and Geno. Yuri, Skull Kid, and Isaac are the last three first-party characters while Heihachi, Shadow, Ken, and Geno will be the last third-party characters.
>Paper Mario's Final Smash is a cinematic that plays out in the style of a Paper Mario battle where he will choose an attack and hit the opponent with a lot of theatrics.
>Yuri's Final Smash involves her using the Camera Obscura and achieving a Fatal Frame against those that were targeted.
>Heihachi's is pretty much like Tekken 7, just altered a little bit.
>There is one more newcomer in the game as well. They are a big request so it's up to you to figure out who it is. They are insanely popular, that's all I'll say.
>New Assist Trophies include Fawful, Stallord, Kamek, Bandana Dee, Aran Ryan, Mad King Gangrel from Fire Emblem, Ouse Kurosawa from Fatal Frame, Rayman, Yoshimitsu and Chun-Li, among others
>Some stages left to be revealed are Busted Bayou from Donkey Kong Country, Gargoyle's Perch from Tekken, Mount Hikami from Fatal Frame, Bowser's Castle and some returning ones are Planet Zebes, Icicle Mountain, Poke Floats (with new Pokemon), Jungle Hijinxs, Paper Mario, Mute City, and Rainbow Road

That's all I have for today. I hope you guys like the game. We are working very hard on it. Goodbye.

This is one solid roster. Very nice. Who would you think the "one more newcomer" is?

Spoiler: "Leak" 15

Hello there 4chan.
I am a member of the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate animation studio. As you would expect, we work on the cinematic reveal trailers.
I wanted to reveal a bit of information for you Earthbound fans.
We have been working on a trailer after the reveal of King. K Rool, Simon, and Richter.
The trailer features Mega Man after the Ridley reveal trailer. It will involve Mega Man exploring a laboratory, eventually coming across and being attacked by Pokey Minch, being revealed as the next new fighter.
Sadly, I am not sure how he will play.

Porky is unconventional, but a "leak" like this is easily traceable back to the source. RIP OP.

Spoiler: "Leak" 16

Hello everyone, now I’m sure you’ve seen at least a few Smash Leaks. Now I must say that there is only one leaker so far who was right on everything he leaked, Loz18. Vergeben did however get a few things wrong, for example, he was correct about Decidueye and some other Pokémon not making it into the roster. But Incineroar is NOT the new Pokémon. With that out of the way, I do have information about the game. I did know about Simon, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, & King K. Rool. I did not leak them because when I found out they were gonna be revealed along with the other pieces of info in the Direct, there were only about 16 hours until the Direct, no point in it. Now, onto the information.

Story Mode
>The Mystery Mode is indeed titled “Spirits” and is a Story Mode. It was going to be “Subspace Emissary 2” but the title was scrapped due to the Story Mode having nothing to do with Subspace
>Every CGI trailer we’ve seen has teases to the Story. You know, Mario, Mega Man, & Luigi dying. Except for the announcement trailer
>Spirits is, however, a sequel to the Subspace Emissary
>Characters in Brawl do remember the events of Subspace
>The following characters remember the events of Subspace: Villager, Mewtwo, Little Mac, Palutena, Shulk, & Ridley
>The following characters have Voice Actors: Fox, Falco, Marth, Lucina, Roy, Chrom, Pit, Dark Pit, Snake, Ike, Sonic, Wolf, Palutena, Robin, Shulk, Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta, Simon Belmont, & Richter
>The first unlockable character that joins your party is Meta Knight
>Mario becomes Dr. Mario in some parts of Spirits
>The first cutscene in Spirits starts off with the ending of Subspace, the final battle caused the 1st party universes to merge with the 3rd party universes that aren’t Metal Gear and Sonic the Hedgehog
>all the CGI moments in trailers we see are in fact actual cutscenes in Story Mode
>I do not have information on the big bad
MODES
>Spirits & All Star Mode are the last modes to be revealed
>All Star Mode is the same but the background closely resembles Brawl’s than any other
>The 2nd icon on the dashboard, the only blurred out one, is too check your party in Spirits

ASSIST TROPHIES
>Dixie Kong
>Impa
>Tingle
>Sylux
>Medusa
>Elma
>Wonder Red
>Chun-Li
>Leon S. Kennedy
>Noctis
>Lloyd
>Akira
>Crash Bandicoot

STAGES
>The Monster Hunter Stage is exclusive to Spirits
>If you select Random on Stage Morph, it’ll morph between every Stage
>Stage Builder returns
>Poké Floats
>Minecraft Island
>Bowser’s Castle
>Hano Beach

CHARACTERS
>Sakurai is only focusing on characters who have been requested for years. Rex & Pyra, Decidueye, Spring Man, ect.
>Paper Mario, Chorus Kids, & Heihachi were scrapped
>Ms. Pac Man is a Pac Man alt
>Echo Fighters
>Black Shadow (Captain Falcon)
>Shadow (Sonic)
>Isabelle (Villager)
>Ken (Ryu)
>Octoling (Inkling)

>Shadow could be considered a Semi-Clone of Sonic as 2 of his moves differ from Sonic’s
>Up B is Teleportation
>Standard B is Chaos Sphere
>Final Smash is Super Shadow but he uses Chaos Control before he goes Super

>Unique Fighters
>Geno
>Skull Kid
>Bandana Dee
>Sceptile
>Isaac
>Banjo Kazooie

>I have no word on when the next Nintendo Direct will be

The characters portion of this leak is really confusing, but it's a solid roster overall.

Spoiler: "Leak" 17

>Gardevoir
>Gothitelle (echo of Gardevoir)
>Metal Mario (echo of Mario)
>Elma
>Fiora (echo of Elma)
>Rayman
>Black Shadow (echo of Captain Falcon, has the specials of Ganondorf though)

thoughts?

I almost didn't count this due to low effort. Do you think I should count this one? I'll leave it up to you.

Also, here's the NeoGAF leak in mention:

Spoiler: NeoGAF "leak" Session

It's supposedly an extension to this leak:

Do we know if the first "leak" is actually an extension of the second? Paging Jibblypuff_ because he seems to know more about this than I do.

So basically the first post(the one w/ the least amount of info) is the one that should be focused on
The second post(from after the direct) is from a different account with the same name. The first account was deleted sometime after the initial post.

tl;dr, second post is likely fake.

 

[CodeBlue_]

Stolen from the Spongebros reddit:

 

[papagenos]

Did the "Gardevoir / echo Gothitelle" leak get deconfirmed for some reason?

i saw a few people call it "fake" but is there actually something about it proving it fake that i missed? or do people just not like it so they are calling it fake? cause honestly i think if you really dig into it it could be true, it seems to have guessed some tough to guess things and some pieces of it could make sense again if you dig into it and speculate... (from what ive read of it anyway, again maybe i missed something here).

anyone know for sure why its being called fake? i feel like i could be fairly plausible in my opinion. i'd really like to hear someone with some reasoning's opinion about it, i feel like im missing why people are saying it cant be true.

 

[Shroob]

Did the "Gardevoir / echo Gothitelle" leak get deconfirmed for some reason?

i saw a few people call it "fake" but is there actually something about it proving it fake that i missed? or do people just not like it so they are calling it fake? cause honestly i think if you really dig into it it could be true, it seems to have guessed some tough to guess things and some pieces of it could make sense again if you dig into it and speculate... (from what ive read of it anyway, again maybe i missed something here).

anyone know for sure why its being called fake? i feel like i could be fairly plausible in my opinion. i'd really like to hear someone with some reasoning's opinion about it, i feel like im missing why people are saying it cant be true.

It's not deconfirmed but it's incredibly suspicious.

The guy was able to decrypt a demo version of the game and took 0 picture evidence? Not even prnt+Scrn that *****?

 

[SirCamp]

Did the "Gardevoir / echo Gothitelle" leak get deconfirmed for some reason?

i saw a few people call it "fake" but is there actually something about it proving it fake that i missed? or do people just not like it so they are calling it fake? cause honestly i think if you really dig into it it could be true, it seems to have guessed some tough to guess things and some pieces of it could make sense again if you dig into it and speculate... (from what ive read of it anyway, again maybe i missed something here).

anyone know for sure why its being called fake? i feel like i could be fairly plausible in my opinion. i'd really like to hear someone with some reasoning's opinion about it, i feel like im missing why people are saying it cant be true.

That was the NeoGaf leak right? If so, just look like literally two posts up and Sykin tells you why it is indeed almost certainly fake.

 

[Shroob]

https://twitter.com/Than_Kyou/status/1028164876147994625

Anyway, some guy's trying to decode the "Spirits" symbol image. I swear I've seen that in another game before.

 

[Troykv]

burned at the ****ing stake if the general public see another one, because at least they expected chrom in the long run

Of course it will be negatively see somewhere; even Chrom generated negativity despite being half-expected after Daisy's reveal.

I'm doing this for the fact I want to write something about the possibility.

 

[Will]

https://twitter.com/Than_Kyou/status/1028164876147994625

Anyway, some guy's trying to decode the "Spirits" symbol image. I swear I've seen that in another game before.

That looks like a generic symbol, but I do agree I've seen it somewhere. Reminds me of Zelda.

 

[Shroob]

Of course it will be negatively always; even Chrom generated negativity despite being half-expected after Daisy's reveal.

Honestly, Chrom's reaction seemed either lukewarm to positive here.

I legit saw more hate for it on the Fire Emblem subreddit of all places.

 

[Idon]

Honestly, Chrom's reaction seemed either lukewarm to positive here.

I legit saw more hate for it on the Fire Emblem subreddit of all places.

That's because the subreddit is a fanbase of ALL the fire emblem games, not just the popular one, and they'd much rather have more than just Awakening represented, even as an echo.

 

[NeonBurrito]

Time for honesty.

What newcomers do you not want in? Not characters you necessarily hate or outright object to, heck it can be a character you like or indifferent.

Just characters you simply don’t want in just cause.

It’s only your opinion so try not to cause arguments.

Above all else, there was only one sort of character I didn't want above all else in Smash:

• Any sort of indie character in a playable role

With the big indie character (Shovel Knight) being turned into an Assist Trophy (which I feel like is a great place for him right now, what an honor for Yacht Club), I'm at a point where anyone else from here on out is fine, though some are more certainly better than others. For example, I'd really rather not see anymore 3rd parties unless they're real big deals or something.

 

[Troykv]

Above all else, there were two characters I didn't want above all else in Smash:

• Ashley as a playable character
• Any sort of indie character in a playable role

With the big indie character (Shovel Knight) being turned into an Assist Trophy (which I feel like is a great place for him right now, what an honor for Yacht Club), and Ashley keeping her Assist Trophy role, I'm at a point where anyone else from here on out is fine, though some are more certainly better than others.

There is a particular reason you don't want Ashley? (SH and similar character a bit more obvious; would feel too small to get proper Character development for a third party in the eyes of many)

I'm happy to see people that are very open to the ideas the roster would bring :D

 

[Gloyd]

Yeah

Time for honesty.

What newcomers do you not want in? Not characters you necessarily hate or outright object to, heck it can be a character you like or indifferent.

Just characters you simply don’t want in just cause.

It’s only your opinion so try not to cause arguments.

MInecraft Steve - I feel like it would somehow sully the name of smash somehow
Goku - Any anime characters really lol go play dragon ball z fighters then
Paper Mario - I know hes very popular but i feel like game and watch fits that gimmick already some people might get mad but its just my opinion, also i think some other characters deserve more representation from other series and heck even from the mario universe - do we really need 3 marios ahahha (captain toad,waluigi [yeah lolll], geno etc.)

But honestly im fine with anyone else even echoes or semi clones as long as they are video game characters really

 

[Shroob]

That's because the subreddit is a fanbase of ALL the fire emblem games, not just the popular one, and they'd much rather have more than just Awakening represented, even as an echo.

The biggest problem with Fire Emblem in Smash right now is, what would you target?

Marth's game is good enough unless you wanted to grab Tiki out of it.

Celica or Alm would have been great but *Shrug*

4 and Thracia have basically no Western appeal since they've never come here. Sakurai hasn't tried to force a Japan only character for a loooooooong time.

6 is already covered.

7 has Lyn as an AT. I'd love Hector as much as the next guy but it's just not happening.

8 is...........does anyone remember 8?

9 and 10 is done by Ike, maybe BK/Zelgius if they're feeling like an Echo.

Awakening is, well they got all the main characters, that's for sure.

Fates can goooooooooo **** itself.

And Three Houses isn't even out yet.

 

[osby]

There is a particular reason you don't want Ashley? (SH and similar character a bit more obvious; would feel too small to get proper Character development for a third party in the eyes of many)

I'm happy to see people that are very open to the ideas the roster would bring :D

I stopped caring for newcomers in general. It's obvious they are all going to be characters people like and I got every veteran, so I have no hopes or dreams for incoming characters in general.

This game was going to be awesome, anyway.

 

[WertQuadNine]

https://twitter.com/Than_Kyou/status/1028164876147994625

Anyway, some guy's trying to decode the "Spirits" symbol image. I swear I've seen that in another game before.

After some "digging," the closest thing I could find is that it's similar to a menu option from Meteos, except blue. Meteos is a game made by Sakurai after all.

ps lmao at my search bar and my evolving search

 

[Shroob]

After some "digging," the closest thing I could find is that it's similar to a menu option from Meteos, except blue. Meteos is a game made by Sakurai after all.

ps lmao at my search bar

That is exactly what it reminded me of....Wow.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I wanna see more third parties. Just to piss people like NeonBurrito off.

In all seriousness, I can't even fathom laying down some arbitrary...reasoning to this roster. Sakurai is gonna do whatever the hell Sakurai wants at this point.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Will]

After some "digging," the closest thing I could find is that it's similar to a menu option from Meteos, except blue. Meteos is a game made by Sakurai after all.

ps lmao at my search bar and my evolving search

Reminds me of the Meteos leak and how i partially ****ing annihilated it
Also what's with them puffles tho

 

[WertQuadNine]

Reminds me of the Meteos leak and how i partially ****ing annihilated it
Also what's with them puffles tho

The shape seemed slightly familiar in my head. I was way off though lol

 

[Noipoi]

All these people hating on Incineroar...
I just think a wrestling tiger is cool! Is that so wrong ?

 

[NeonBurrito]

There is a particular reason you don't want Ashley? (SH and similar character a bit more obvious; would feel too small to get proper Character development for a third party in the eyes of many)

I'm happy to see people that are very open to the ideas the roster would bring :D

I changed by post to reflect how I'd much rather not see only an indie character, but I just don't really like Ashley does anything worthwhile in the WarioWare series, and she's rather outclassed by her peers in terms of just how much I want them.

She's just a side character, and aside from her popularity, there would be absolutely no reason to choose her over pretty much any other WarioWare character. I used to be much more open on her, but then I realized just how much better you get in terms of WarioWare characters to add. I'd much rather have something like 9-Volt using all sorts of retro Nintendo gadgets or Jimmy T., simply because of just how silly and fun a moveset could be for him.

It's kind of like how some people don't really want Bandana Waddle Dee, simply because there's a lot of other more interesting Kirby characters to pull from, which is another boat I'm in. At least, to me.

I wanna see more third parties. Just to piss people like NeonBurrito off.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Impa4Smash]

How many of you that frequent this thread share newcomer predictions here? Lately, I have been seeing less and less people willing to predict, with a decreasing number roster speculators over time. There used to be a lot of predictions prior to the Smash Ultimate reveal, but now it is just kind of silent. Who is still predicting?

Late to the party, but wanted to predict who I think is left.

Unique newcomers:

1) Skull Kid - Might be a bit biased, but between the Mii Costume (look at all the newcomers that got them) and Moon AT, I feel like he’s in.

2) Bandanna Dee - He usually ranks pretty high in polls, and after Sakurai noted that Ridley, Simon, Chrom, and Dark Samus were highly requested, it just seems that fan service really is the MO here. And Kirby deserves a 4th Rep.

3) Geno - Just our or sheer popularity in the Smash community. Plus, he serves as both a 2nd Square Rep and a new Mario character.

4) Incineroar - Basing this mainly on the leak, honestly. There’s so many new Gen 7 Pokéballs that a new rep seems like a lock anyway

New echoes:

5) Impa - Revealed alongside Skull Kid

6) Shadow - All but confirmed with Richter, IMO

7) Ken - Another obvious and popular choice

8) Isabelle - Also popular, with Mii Costume and MIA AT

9) Ms. Pacman - Because she’d be super easy to make and is iconic

10) Dixie Kong - But more of a Chrom-esque echo with a different up-B. Like DK’s but using her hair

 

[Will]

5) Impa - Revealed alongside Skull Kid

why tho? It's not a Simon/Richter situation here, it's more like a Ridley/Dark Samus one.

 

[Noipoi]

why tho? It's not a Simon/Richter situation here, it's more like a Ridley/Dark Samus one.

Maybe not alongside Skull Kid like Simon and Richter, but I could see her revealed in the same direct like Chrom and Dark Samus. Assuming she's in, of course.

 

[osby]

I wanna see more third parties. Just to piss people like NeonBurrito off.

In all seriousness, I can't even fathom laying down some arbitrary...reasoning to this roster. Sakurai is gonna do whatever the hell Sakurai wants at this point.

Smooth Criminal

I want to see more characters born in this century, a third party in particular would be cool. Though, we already got Bayonetta from the ballot, so probably not happening.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

This post isn't finished. My bad.

 

[Jetsurge]

9) Ms. Pacman - Because she’d be super easy to make and is iconic

Sorry to burst your bubble but