Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[PLATINUM7]

God I feel like a broken record...

Have you tried bringing up topics that aren't your boy or your boys edgy rival?

 

[osby]

And Shadow. No way Sonic isn't getting one after being in Smash all this time.

Castlevania is in Smash for two days and it already has two fighters.

 

[Zinith]

Have you tried bringing up topics that aren't your boy or your boys edgy rival?

Yes. Yes I have

 

[Jetsurge]

Look on the bright side, despite all the stuff we can speculate about, people are still going "hnnnmgh Shadow Echo fighter" as the main discussion

Dark Samus proves Shadow could work

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Dark Samus proves Shadow could work

That has literally nothing to do with my point of "People won't ****ing shut up about this tired topic despite how we could discuss the Dracula Castle bosses, custom balance, Spirits, the currently rumoured Skull Kid, the potential competitive legality of Squad Strike, FS Meter and Stage Morphing, etc."

 

[Zinith]

Have you tried bringing up topics that aren't your boy or your boys edgy rival?

Oh and it's "my boi" not "my boy."

 

[Garteam]

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Although it is still just a theory, the theory of "Keeping the original 12 together" on the top row seems to give a chance of 8 more characters(4 echo, 4 newcomers), but this is also with Miis on, and the final Roster is most likely not in this shape anyway.

The only thing that ruins this theory is a situation where the another one of the original 12 gets an echo. In which case, potential for another fighter opens up.

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

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Although it is still just a theory, the theory of "Keeping the original 12 together" on the top row seems to give a chance of 8 more characters(4 echo, 4 newcomers), but this is also with Miis on, and the final Roster is most likely not in this shape anyway.

Honestly i agree with you, If we get a Direct in September,October and a Smash Direct in November then the pattern likely will be:

September: 1 Newcomer,1 Echo Fighter

October: 1 Newcomer, 1 Echo Fighter

November: 2 Newcomers,2 Echo Fighters (in the Smash Direct)

 

[DJ3DS]

That has literally nothing to do with my point of "People won't ****ing shut up about this tired topic despite how we could discuss the Dracula Castle bosses, custom balance, Spirits, the currently rumoured Skull Kid, the potential competitive legality of Squad Strike, FS Meter and Stage Morphing, etc."

This is actually the thing (beyond KKR) that has me most excited from this direct.

Put simply, this game has an absurd number of characters. It has so many that I don't want to have to default to a single main - I want to be able to chuck ROB, KKR and whichever third character I like into a blender and see what happens. I love both of the first two characters and want a good reason to regularly use both.

I honestly hope squad strike becomes standard. It makes things more interesting for the player and, in my opinion, for the spectator. We get to see so much more of a wider variety, and I don't think it would default to Cloud/Sheik/Bayo dittos as has been suggested. So many high level players have mid or low tier secondaries - Nairo Bowser, Tweek DK, WaDi ROB are immediate examples - and I think we'd end up seeing these thrown in.

 

[Cosmic77]

So in an attempt to steer the topic away from Echoes, how did you interpret that Skull Kid PM Loz pulled up from June?

Personally, I'm confused. The person Loz quoted said K. Rool and Skull Kid would be used for promotional purposes, but how can that be the case with the former? K. Rool hasn't had a notable appearance since 2007, and DK's most recent game has absolutely nothing to do with him.

Is this person taking a guess, or do they genuinely know Skull Kid is a character?

 

[PSIGuy]

Speaking of Drac's Castle, let's compare it to Midgar for a moment... over 30 music tracks, a half dozen or so bosses all lovingly modelled, a default layout that looks like it could be viable with hazards off. Grand treatment for the Belmont family's debut.

Midgar? 2 tracks, 5 jpegs that appear occasionally when you collect an item to modify the stage temporarily, literally Battlefield with a slight make over. The homestage for what's meant to be the showdown between Link and Cloud that people have wanted for years.

What the christ, Square Enix. Between their involvement in Smash and how they react to things like Bravely Default or Octopath Traveller doing well, I don't think they know what people like about their games or why.

 

[Scicky]

That has literally nothing to do with my point of "People won't ****ing shut up about this tired topic despite how we could discuss the Dracula Castle bosses, custom balance, Spirits, the currently rumoured Skull Kid, the potential competitive legality of Squad Strike, FS Meter and Stage Morphing, etc."

Agreed. Let's get the conversation going lol.

I think Squad Strike has a lot of potential but I don't see it being the communities go to mode. Was thinking it'd be fun to have tournaments with pre-determined squads, you could sign up, pick a squad and stick with that for the tourney. Have them be themed so you could do like, a hero's vs villains tourney, echo's vs their originals, lightweights vs heavies, stuff like that. Would be a nice change of pace and force some cool finals matchups in the event that the standard meta stagnates to the point that other smash games have.

I thought FS Meter had potential when they said the final smashes would be 'weaker', but Marth's FS still killed Lucas at 20%, while Mario's (and Lucas') seemed relatively ineffectual, that kind of imbalance means it probably won't be something that get's looked at with much seriousness in a competitive context. Oh well.

Stage Morphing is really exciting honestly and I'll be bummed if the community doesn't give it a serious chance. Even if we're limited to like... Final Destination transforming into Battlefield, that's fine. Especially since it's on a set-timer so it's not like you're going to get randomly screwed over because of the stage switch. It's just something to be mindful of and play around.

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

Speaking of Drac's Castle, let's compare it to Midgar for a moment... over 30 music tracks, a half dozen or so bosses all lovingly modelled, a default layout that looks like it could be viable with hazards off. Grand treatment for the Belmont family's debut.

Midgar? 2 tracks, 5 jpegs that appear occasionally when you collect an item to modify the stage temporarily, literally Battlefield with a slight make over. The homestage for what's meant to be the showdown between Link and Cloud that people have wanted for years.

What the christ, Square Enix. Between their involvement in Smash and how they react to things like Bravely Default or Octopath Traveller doing well, I don't think they know what people like about their games or why.

Yeah frankly it's baffling that Square only allowed 2 songs in Smash

 

[Zinith]

Oh yes, I forgot that Drac's Castle is literally one of the best stages I've ever seen. I guess my mind was elsewhere...

 

[ElPanandero]

Yo we getting skull kid though?

 

[Shroob]

So in an attempt to steer the topic away from Echoes, how did you interpret that Skull Kid PM Loz pulled up from June?

Personally, I'm confused. The person Loz quoted said K. Rool and Skull Kid would be used for promotional purposes, but how can that be the case with the former? K. Rool hasn't had a notable appearance since 2007, and DK's most recent game has absolutely nothing to do with him.

Is this person taking a guess, or do they genuinely know Skull Kid is a character?

Well, the biggest question is why did Loz believe them in the first place? Even Verg, as flakey as he is, was quick to throw away the "No DK" rumor roughly a couple of hours after he got it.

Loz has apparently been hanging onto this since June. Why? What does he know that makes this credible?

 

[Jetsurge]

Honestly i agree with you, If we get a Direct in September,October and a Smash Direct in November then the pattern likely will be:

September: 1 Newcomer,1 Echo Fighter

October: 1 Newcomer, 1 Echo Fighter

November: 2 Newcomers,2 Echo Fighters (in the Smash Direct)

September:
Unique - Incineroar
Echo - Dixie Kong, Ken

October:
Unique - Skull Kid
Echo - Isabelle, Ms-Pac-Man

November:
Unique - Chorus Kids, Geno
Echo - Impa, Shadow

 

[Shroob]

September:
Unique - Incineroar
Echo - Dixie Kong

October:
Unique - Skull Kid
Echo - Isabelle

November:
Unique - Chorus Kids, Geno
Echo - Shadow, Ms Pac-Man, Ken

More or less my expectations, minus Ms.Pac Man tbh.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

After yesterday, here's how the franchises stack up in numbers (tied franchises are ranked based on which got to the number first).

Pokemon - 9:
Mario - 8:
Fire Emblem - 7: Chultcorrin:
Zelda - 6:
Metroid - 4: DS
Kirby - 3:
Star Fox - 3:
Kid Icarus - 3:
Donkey Kong - 3: KR
EarthBound - 2:
Castlevania - 2: Si Ri

- I think it's pretty insane how much Metroid jumped up since Smash 4. It's now at fifth.
- Kirby's still sitting pretty at three; I'm hoping that'll change.
- It took a while, but DK now has three. I'd really like to get one more, but I can't complain with what we have.
- Fire Emblem snagged third by getting three characters from the same game and four wonderful variations of Marth. Yay...
- Zelda is in dire need of another rep, but I doubt any other franchise will steal its fourth place standing.

Loving my baby Metroid moving up in this world <3.

Here's the changes I'm predicting by the end of Ultimate's release:

• Pokemon will remain top, gaining one more Pokemon (Gen 7). Even after dlc, it will probably remain at top gaining another Pokemon (Gen 8). I'm a ride or die on a Gen 7 rep, no convincing me otherwise.
• Mario may go up 1 more with Geno. I'm not sold on Geno, and I'm not sure he'd count as a Mario Rep (but why wouldn't he?).
• Tin foil hat time but I am pretty convinced we can see Zelda jump up to 7, maybe even 8. Chrom and Dark Samus getting in because they were "popular" requests (Sakurai said you might have expected them because of that) leads me to think Impa will get the same treatment (Ballot was right after HW...). And I have fully joined the Skull Kid bandwagon. If we can get Ridley and King K. Rool in one game, we can get Skull Kid. (King K. Rool also throws relevancy out the window, which Skull Kid even had with MM3D and HW).
• Not trying to predict dlc right now, but I think it makes sense to expect Fire Emblem to go to 8 after a Three Houses rep. I think 7 is base roster though.
• Metroid, DK and Kirby will all sit at 4 reps, with Bandanna Dee and a Dixie echo (not giving up on you yet gurl).
• Animal Crossing will join the 2 rep crew. I don't think Isabelle is a bold prediction anymore, but it's exciting to find out if she will be an echo or not.
• Finally, Sonic will be the only other third party to get an echo. I'm no even 100% convinced it will be Shadow over Tails, but Shadow does make more sense.

Whelp there's an update on my prediction expectations. Sorry for a long read lol. I also think it's possible we get a Rhythm Heaven Rep or a different third party, but I focused on series with multiple reps. Honestly I'm very hopeful and excited for the Zelda series, it's time for them to shine!

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

September:
Unique - Incineroar
Echo - Dixie Kong

October:
Unique - Skull Kid
Echo - Isabelle

November:
Unique - Chorus Kids, Geno
Echo - Shadow, Ms Pac-Man, Ken

Actually, what if in November they had Geno and Paper Mario as the Newcomers - would be fitting. I feel Geno might end up being the last newcomer. Rex/Pyra and Spring Man will be in as DLC down the line

 

[osby]

Oh yes, I forgot that Drac's Castle is literally one of the best stages I've ever seen. I guess my mind was elsewhere...

I love stage enemies, so it seems I found where I will spend my time when not doing reverse iron man challenge.

 

[Zinith]

Honestly i agree with you, If we get a Direct in September,October and a Smash Direct in November then the pattern likely will be:

September: 1 Newcomer,1 Echo Fighter

October: 1 Newcomer, 1 Echo Fighter

November: 2 Newcomers,2 Echo Fighters (in the Smash Direct)

Okay, I'll give it a shot

September: Elma, Shadow

October: Crash, Isabelle

November: Geno, Boshi (yes, it's actually plausible given the circumstances), Skull Kid, Ken

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

I'm surprised Waluigi fans haven't used the Mondter Hunter boss + AT to show that characters can be two things at once or something.

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

I feel like we may end up getting another charcter from a franchise not repped in Smash in the base roster

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

This is just a theory on my part but i don't think we are going to get Elma in the game. I think we are getting KOS-MOS with the annoucement of a Xenosaga collection.

 

[Jetsurge]

• Finally, Sonic will be the only other third party to get an echo. I'm no even 100% convinced it will be Shadow over Tails, but Shadow does make more sense.

I don't know about that it looks like they have really good relationship with Capcom so I think Ken is likely. Also I herd Ms Pac-Man's rights might be a mess so she might not get in.

 

[osby]

I feel like we may end up getting another charcter from a franchise not repped in Smash in the base roster

We already have Splatoon and Castlevania. I'd like more franchises but it seems not too likely, considering this game is going in the opposite direction of Smash For in terms of newcomers.
This probably means new fighters in general will be pretty old but oh, well.

 

[Zinith]

I love stage enemies, so it seems I found where I will spend my time when not doing reverse iron man challenge.

Come to think of it, they pulled no punches when it came to Castlevania representation. TWO fighters that are almost perfectly depicted, a stage that is awe-inspiring, ALUCARD as an AT, so many music tracks, the enemies, the scythe. I mean DAMN!!!

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

K. Rool is irrelevant
K. Rool is ugly and fat
No one remembers K. Rool
K. Rool is owned by Rare
No one got far enough in DKC to see K. Rool
Vocal minority, echo chamber
We don't need another Mario character

It still hasn't sunk in yet, surreal that he's in.

 

[MalcolmBelmont]

Anyone else think that there may be 3rd Party Charcters as DLC - but for the base roster Simon will be the only non echo fighter third party newcomer to be in the game at launch.

 

[osby]

Come to think of it, they pulled no punches when it came to Castlevania representation. TWO fighters that are almost perfectly depicted, a stage that is awe-inspiring, ALUCARD as an AT, so many music tracks, the enemies, the scythe. I mean DAMN!!!

Either Konami is being generous or Sakurai is willing to spend a fortune on creating Castlevania exactly on Smash.
Either way, I'm content.

 

[Zinith]

Either Konami is being generous or Sakurai is willing to spend a fortune on creating Castlevania exactly on Smash.
Either way, I'm content.

Castlevania is my second favorite 3rd party represented in Smash now. Obsessing over my boi aside, the Castlevania portions were the highlight of the Direct for me

 

[osby]

Castlevania is my second favorite 3rd party represented in Smash now. Obsessing over my boi aside, the Castlevania portions were the highlight of the Direct for me

Original games? Bayonetta and Sonic are my favourites.
In Smash? Snake and Simon all the way.

Simon and Richter brought so much with them and their spammer zoner moveset looks super fun. Even both series being close to gothic side, they show a very distinct visual style then Bayonetta. They are the only newcomers make me hyped for this game with Inklings.

 

[-crump-]

I still couldn’t believe it when I woke up this morning and K. Rool was actually in Smash Bros. When I watched the Direct yesterday (and then watched it again and again) I completely lost my mind when he was shown. I’ve dreamed it happening so many times, but this is finally the real deal!

My most wanted character is finally in Smash, and I couldn’t be happier at how he looks.

 

[Galgatha]

Well should she appear in her Bayo 2 costume, Jeanne would have a drastically sifferent design than either Bayos with very long white hair and a noticeable Biker suit. And even her Bayo 1 costume, despite sharing the short hair, does have a very distinct costume with a pooffy black collar, glasses resting on her forehead instead of in front of her eyes and huge feathers dangling from her guns, keeping her very distinct from Bayonetta.

After all Pit kept his Dark Pit palette didn't he?

Can I just say that I completely agree with your signature in that WE NEED AMATERATSU IN SMASH! :D

 

[Zinith]

Original games? Bayonetta and Sonic are my favourites.
In Smash? Snake and Simon all the way.

Simon and Richter brought so much with them and their spammer zoner moveset looks super fun. Even both series being close to gothic side, they show a very distinct visual style then Bayonetta. They are the only newcomers make me hyped for this game with Inklings.

In terms of both original games and Smash, Mega Man and Castlevania. Bayonetta a close third. Such fun (and hard) series...

 

[Pyra]

Play a game with your friends. Make each other browse gaming forums and every time you see a thread that says "I don't get the K Rool hype, he's stupid and ugly but okay" take a shot, or do something else that you decide on

I offer the alternative because you might get alcohol poisoning with the shots considering the sheer amount of weeniebabies who are bitter about the king.

 

[Pakky]

K. Rool is irrelevant
K. Rool is ugly and fat
No one remembers K. Rool
K. Rool is owned by Rare
No one got far enough in DKC to see K. Rool
Vocal minority, echo chamber
We don't need another Mario character

It still hasn't sunk in yet, surreal that he's in.

You forgot

“He’s too much like Bowser”

Lol

 

[osby]

In terms of both original games and Smash, Mega Man and Castlevania. Bayonetta a close third. Such fun (and hard) series...

They are all good series.
One thing I really appreciate about and , is that how well they work in Smash, despite being from Mature series. Both has very over-the-top, bizarre, almost immaturely funny sides and imo Sakurai did a pretty good job on focusing on those while not omitting all serious content.

 

[Galgatha]

We need the new icons now for the FIVE NEW CHARACTERS! :D Lol, seriously, need them now!