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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Meanwhile, I'm here with Ganon, Toon Ganondorf, Toon Zelda, Tetra and Black Shadow as my most wanted Zelda newcomers.
I'm with you on Toon Zelda in particular and I even put her in my roster. But alas, I recently learned she ain't likely to get in since :4tlink: is far more relevant. Also was told she had a gimmick that can be managed but :4zelda: inherited it already. It is amazing how much I can learn just by reading y'all's posts here...

Sayonara :kirby:
 

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I'm with you on Toon Zelda in particular and I even put her in my roster. But alas, I recently learned she ain't likely to get in since :4tlink: is far more relevant. Also was told she had a gimmick that can be managed but :4zelda: inherited it already. It is amazing how much I can learn just by reading y'all's posts here...

Sayonara :kirby:
I mean, they could always give Zelda back the ability to Transform into Sheik since the Switch should be able to handle it or they could give her something else. Some Sheikah Slate stuff from BotW perhaps since she's already TP Zelda with a move that references ST and of course her other 3 specials already reference spells Link used back in OoT. Also wouldn't be the first time that a clone (or 'clone') kept a move that the character they're based on had. Luigi still has Cyclone despite originally being a clone of Mario, Toon Link kept the normal boomerang that Link originally had while Link got the Gale one, Lucario got to keep his charging projectile with an active hitbox despite Mewtwo originally having it in Melee, Roy's neutral special maintains the animation it had in Melee despite him being a clone of Marth and Wolf got to have a Blaster that causes knockback and has to be put away which originally Fox had in Smash 64.

I am also aware that none of those are as drastic as TP Zelda outright losing a move to another character since everyone but Mario just got a slightly altered version of their original move. I'm just a sucker for WW in particular and Ganondorf is my favourite character in the Smash series so the more we get of WW and Ganon, the happier I'll be.
 

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My guess, should we receive a champion, would be for Mipha. Like I said before, all four bring a unique moveset to the table, but I think Mipha just wins out in terms of popularity. Before I had her in the same ranks as Urbosa, but I've since considered that, and this is just a guess, but knowing Japan, Mipha is probably more popular there than Urbosa.

So I'm giving her the edge. Of course it could be any of them (I suppose it could even be Sidon, but probably not), however Urbosa can't reach the popularity heights of Mipha, Daruk seems to garner more indifference than anything, and Revali seems kinda divisive. I wonder if anyone has made a champion popularity poll.

And as for getting another version of the main three... ehhh. I get they're the important ones, but we already have two versions of two of them. Apart from maybe Ganon, getting another just seems so uninspired when Zelda has the supporting cast it does.
 
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I'm with you on Toon Zelda in particular and I even put her in my roster. But alas, I recently learned she ain't likely to get in since :4tlink: is far more relevant. Also was told she had a gimmick that can be managed but :4zelda: inherited it already. It is amazing how much I can learn just by reading y'all's posts here...

Sayonara :kirby:
To be clear, Toon Zelda has two extremely unique things about her; She has the Light Force from The Minish Cap, which is a complete mystery at this point(nothing was elaborated on, other than it was something Vaati wanted), and her Phantom from Spirit Tracks. Zelda took the Phantom, which makes it very difficult to think of a unique moveset for her, or even a gimmick that she could do. We already had the potential to get her in Brawl, along with Toon Sheik(the actual file name, although I imagine he would've scrapped that idea and go with Tetra instead) as likely just a clone duo. However, as of now, a clone seems like a silly point to give to her after Zelda herself is already unbalanced and overly weak. Sakurai not reusing the moveset is a bit logical in this case. You also have to think of the factor that Toon Zelda wouldn't use those specials anyway, since those came from a game she's not in. It makes me wonder if he scrapped the duo due to not good ideas to make Toon Zelda work at that point. Ironically, Toon Sheik is not an issue because ninjas are just easy to make for Sakurai(this is why Greninja was so easy to implement. Without seeing anything more than a concept art, he had a moveset ideally planned out. It's easy to think Sakurai is good at making ninja movesets work from that alone. Plus, he made Sheik work really well too. Who again, had no moveset).

So there could be multiple reasons Toon Zelda isn't implemented. If he wants a unique gimmick, he has to change regular Zelda's moveset again. He has no ideas otherwise to make Toon Zelda interesting without being just a clone. ...Well, two hypothetical reasons.
 

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I would be so dissapointed with Mipha, she was such bland and boring character with terrible voice acting "I heal you because I clearly love you, I heal always, I will always heal you, I'm dead but I'll heal you" The dlc helped her a little but even in the dlc, she was overshadowed by her current day counter part, Sidon. He was a much better character and so much more fun. His theme is even used in Miphas dlc cut scene.
 

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Unpopular opinion.

I thought all the Champions were disappointing story wise and character wise. They don't make much if an impact in the grand scheme of Breath of the Wild. Hell, I felt like King Hyrule was a better character than all of them combined. He was conflicted. He was worried about Zelda but also caring.
 
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Unpopular opinion.

I thought all the Champions were disappointing story wise and character wise. They don't make much if an impact in the grand scheme of Breath of the Wild. Hell, I felt like King Hyrule was a better character than all of them combined. He was conflicted. He was worried about Zelda but also caring.
Completely agree. I didn't like any of the Champions. They were all so one-note and boring, and lacked the charm of past Zelda characters.
 
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Wait for :4zelda: having a completely renewed moveset based on the 4 Champions and for seeing Toon Zelda added for the main purpose to keep :4zelda:'s old moveset.

I call it.
 

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Unpopular opinion.

I thought all the Champions were disappointing story wise and character wise. They don't make much if an impact in the grand scheme of Breath of the Wild. Hell, I felt like King Hyrule was a better character than all of them combined. He was conflicted. He was worried about Zelda but also caring.
I too find it rather doubtful that the four Champions will make the cut, even with the promotions that they received. And to add to the insults, you can actually complete Breath of the Wild without taking back any of the Divine Beasts, though it is a very tough task when you have to go through a gauntlet of all four of the Blight Ganons, followed by full HP Calamity Ganon; Calamity Ganon loses 1/8 of his max HP for every Divine Beast that you've taken back.

While a playable spot for the Champions is not totally impossible, it is unlikely, and they may have better odds making the cut as Assist Trophies.
 

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I've hardly seen anyone discuss the Yoshi series. Of all the franchises that have been since the N64 original, this one has probably gotten the least representation. The series has been stuck with the singular Yoshi character, only a small handful of stages (half of which are simply named "Yoshi's Island"), and not even more than two trophies (Fly Guy and the one advertising Yoshi's New Island, both exclusive to the 3DS version mind you) ignoring his character trophies.

My question is this; do any of you think it's likely the Yoshi series will get more representation in Smash 5? Maybe not through a new character like Kamek or Baby Mario, though perhaps some new Smash Run enemies (assuming the mode comes back), maybe a new Assist Trophy or some items, as well as a respectable amount of trophies for its own.
 

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Woah. Lots of replies since I was last on here. Let's see...

That's not entirely true. Toon Zelda, Tingle, and Impa are examples of characters that have made reappearances throughout the franchise so Zelda doesn't fit as well into the revolving cast scenario as people think. Plus there's the Triforce, which in itself is a character.
Toon Zelda is still Zelda, no? Besides, LoZ isn't the only franchise with a revolving cast that reuses characters. Anna from FE has made numerous appearances throughout the series.

I'm not going to say it's impossible but, think about it, the characters were purposely given the sideline in BotW because they wanted the world to be the Character.

Looking back on previous games Groose, Skull Kid, Ghirahim, Vaati, Tingle, and even Impa all made a FAR bigger splash in terms of popularity and character importance. Breath of the Wild doesn't make a big deal out of it's characters and it soars because of that. It's you alone with the world. They aren't going to add a character just because the game sold well nor would they add one for the sake it's the newest. It's a matter of multiple different circumstances.
As you said yourself, the only reason BotW's characters seem less important than the characters you listed is because the game didn't put a heavy emphasis on story. It's not fair if you're comparing characters from a game that doesn't focus on story to ones that come from a game that does. That's like saying that Marth is less important than Robin just because the latter debuted in a game with a deep story. You have to look at BotW itself. Compared to the other characters in BotW, the Champions had a very large role.

And it's not like the Champions immediately fell into obscurity. They got amiibo and their own DLC to keep them relevant. Did Groose have any of that?

I think we probably will get a Zelda newcomer, and I think that character will stem from BotW. Between the fact that the series went unchanged last time, BotW's massive reception, and the size of the series, it seems a likelihood to me.

I think characters like Impa or Tingle, or even Midna or Skull Kid are preferable choices, but that's not really how inclusion seems to work these days. It's all about what has happened recently, typically since the last Smash, and BotW was a huge happening.
Exactly. Believe me, I know Midna or Tingle are the more logical choices by far, but it feels like their time has passed. The library of Zelda games keeps on growing, and looking at Sakurai's most recent additions to the roster, relevancy seems to be a big factor in deciding characters (especially with Pokemon and FE).

He could also bring Sidon because why the heck not :p


Pretty hard to hate his enthusiasm.

My guess, should we receive a champion, would be for Mipha. Like I said before, all four bring a unique moveset to the table, but I think Mipha just wins out in terms of popularity. Before I had her in the same ranks as Urbosa, but I've since considered that, and this is just a guess, but knowing Japan, Mipha is probably more popular there than Urbosa.

So I'm giving her the edge. Of course it could be any of them (I suppose it could even be Sidon, but probably not), however Urbosa can't reach the popularity heights of Mipha, Daruk seems to garner more indifference than anything, and Revali seems kinda divisive. I wonder if anyone has made a champion popularity poll.
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/632936-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild/75154927

This is the only one I could find. Urbosa seems to be the winner of this poll, but Mipha isn't far behind. At the very least, I think we can conclude that the female Champions are more popular than their male associates.

Unsurprisingly, Mipha wins the popularity contest in Japan by a landslide. Not sure where the other Champions stand though. I think it's worth looking into their popularity too before handing the hypothetical roster spot to Mipha.

I would be so dissapointed with Mipha, she was such bland and boring character with terrible voice acting "I heal you because I clearly love you, I heal always, I will always heal you, I'm dead but I'll heal you" The dlc helped her a little but even in the dlc, she was overshadowed by her current day counter part, Sidon. He was a much better character and so much more fun. His theme is even used in Miphas dlc cut scene.
I'll admit, Mipha's voice acting was abysmal, and Sidon easily stole the spotlight from his older sister. Still, she does have one advantage over the other Champions. The people who knew her are still alive, and you get to hear them recount their fond memories of how she effected them. I thought it helped a little to expand on her story. At least she was handled better than Revali, who, aside from his tsundere personality, had little to go off of until the DLC.
 
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My question is this; do any of you think it's likely the Yoshi series will get more representation in Smash 5? Maybe not through a new character like Kamek or Baby Mario, though perhaps some new Smash Run enemies (assuming the mode comes back), maybe a new Assist Trophy or some items, as well as a respectable amount of trophies for its own.
Yoshi games seem to have always been borderline Mario games really, they share so much of the same settings and characters. That said, I'm super glad the Yoshi series is getting great attention recently, with Yoshi's Woolly World and the new upcoming Yoshi game for Switch. Hopefully all this will eventually differentiate the Yoshi games into a new, distinguished world of its own.

I think Poochy will get a spot in the limelight when it comes to Smash 5, it did have a major role in Woolly World (especially the 3DS port) and appeared in Odyssey as well. A trophy for him seems like a given, though a Gogoat-like Assist Trophy could work as well. Woolly World did (surprisingly?) well on the Wii U and I predict the Switch game will too, so I think it's likely there'll be more actual Yoshi trophies this time around. While necessarily no character representation, a Yarn Yoshi skin for Yoshi would be great.
 

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It seems I'm one of the few people who wants Wlid Link to be added to smash, I don't want to get Impa with the Sheikah Slate, if she gets in I would prefer if she is based on her Hyrule Warriors moveset.

By the way how would you feel if there are three diferent final smashes, depending on the special you use to activate it. For example Mario could use Mario Finale with B, capture a T-Rex with Forward B and use a Mega Mushrrom or something with Down B.
 

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For retro I would say balloon fighter or the guy from tomb of the mask app ( I know he isn't old but he is still retro themed)
 
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It seems I'm one of the few people who wants Wlid Link to be added to smash, I don't want to get Impa with the Sheikah Slate, if she gets in I would prefer if she is based on her Hyrule Warriors moveset.
It's not that people don't think he could work, it's just that a fourth Link shows a serious lack of creativity. We have dozens of characters to choose from. Is there anyone else besides the sword-wielding main protagonist that Sakurai could add?
 
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It's not that people don't think he could work, it's just that a fourth Link shows a serious lack of creativity. We have dozens of characters to choose from. Is there anyone else besides the sword-wielding main protagonist that Sakurai could add?
I know who Sakurai could add:

























Bandana Dee.

But really, we're either getting a newcomer Champion or some stages (or both).
 

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What are your thoughts on if Pokemon trainer returned but had Pokemon starters from diamond and pearl. The starters would be chimchar , the second evolution of turtwig and the full evolution of piplup
 

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What are your thoughts on if Pokemon trainer returned but had Pokemon starters from diamond and pearl. The starters would be chimchar , the second evolution of turtwig and the full evolution of piplup
That would only happen if Smash 5 comes out after (or during development of) the Gen 4 remakes (which it will if it's 2020-2021 which is what I'm thinking). Also, nobody really liked all the annoying mechanics with Pokemon Trainer *cough cough type effectivness cough cough stamina cough cough*, but I can see them being individual characters (I'd also like to get Ivysaur and Squirtle back). However, if they remove the mechanics then a Pokemon Trainer might be nice.

You could also implement the changing while having every special by having it initially be a choice on select menu and then using a special when you're respawning would shift between one of the three. I mean, nobody switches mid-battle, and there's no opportunity normally anyways. You don't say, "I main Pokemon Trainer", you say, "I main (Pokemon) but the stamina is annoying".
 

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For Pokemon trainer to return: Well we can't have first gen 1 because most people want Charizard as a separate character and gen 2 and 3 and 5 aren't the greatest in my opinion generation 6 has Greninja and don't think he is going to be cut from the roster and for gen 7 decidueye is most likely getting in.

I understand it isn't that likely because of Nintendo wanting to push more newer Pokemon but It was just an idea I had .
 
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It's not that people don't think he could work, it's just that a fourth Link shows a serious lack of creativity. We have dozens of characters to choose from. Is there anyone else besides the sword-wielding main protagonist that Sakurai could add?
It is quite interesting to see how people perceive the options for a new Zelda characters, some say than a 3rd (arguably 4th) Link would be boring, but others say that the new characters from BotW are too boring and marginal in the game to be added.

Let's face it: if Zelda gets a new character (which I would say is likely but not guaranteed), it will probably be from BotW. Characters such as Skull Kid, Ghirahim, Midna, Zant, Groose...all lost their chance, being one off from a Zelda game that is old and irrelevant now. Before someone argues "But whatt about Sheik!!?!?", she was a special case, being part of Zelda moveset. And surely she was an exception, rater than a rule.

Now about BotW, they could either go with a new Link., boring but still functionable, or go with a character from the game. A Champion seems the most logical choice, but they could be really creative and implement Link's ability on other characters (like how they did with Rosalina), for example Kass or Impa. Her in particular could use the Sheika Slate powers, since she is a Sheika.
 
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I've hardly seen anyone discuss the Yoshi series. Of all the franchises that have been since the N64 original, this one has probably gotten the least representation. The series has been stuck with the singular Yoshi character, only a small handful of stages (half of which are simply named "Yoshi's Island"), and not even more than two trophies (Fly Guy and the one advertising Yoshi's New Island, both exclusive to the 3DS version mind you) ignoring his character trophies.

My question is this; do any of you think it's likely the Yoshi series will get more representation in Smash 5? Maybe not through a new character like Kamek or Baby Mario, though perhaps some new Smash Run enemies (assuming the mode comes back), maybe a new Assist Trophy or some items, as well as a respectable amount of trophies for its own.
The biggest problem with the Yoshi's Island series is that most of the characters in that series are also part of the Super Mario series. That's one of the reasons why the Yoshi's Island series has very little, if any trophy representation.
 

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Zelda representation, at least in terms of roster, is a pretty hard topic to talk about.

As of now, we already have the three major characters in the Zelda franchise; :4link::4zelda::4ganondorf:. In addition, we also have :4tlink: (and by extension :younglinkmelee:) who rep other games that the first three don't, or at least not as much as others. :4sheik:, as Nonno Umby Nonno Umby said, was a special case as she was tied to Zelda's moveset in Melee and Brawl. Popular demand and her iconic state within Smash is probably why Sheik remained in Smash 4 when they split, and will likely be the reason she remains in Smash 5 as well. In fact, considering the Switch probably doesn't have the technical limitations of the 3DS, transformations could come back, where Zelda and Sheik would probably go back to being able to switch between one or the other, thus giving the latter more reason to return. Keep in mind that transformations were meant to be in Smash 4 and removed due to 3DS limitations; that on its own gives them a pretty good chance of coming back assuming the Switch is strong enough to handle it (which it probably is).

Newcomers? There are definitely some options. Some of the ones that would have been viable for the Smash 4 roster, such as Skull Kid, Vaati, Ghirahim, and Midna, are now no longer as relevant. Possible? Yes, but no longer likely, at least as likely as before. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild would be the most ideal place to pick a newcomer, as I believe Smash 5 will do anything in its power to rep as much Switch as possible. A third (technically fourth) Link based on the entirety of this game wouldn't be impossible, but not ideal. Another way of doing it would be to change Link and Zelda to represent this game, and bring in Toon Link and Toon Zelda (or other variations) to keep the original moveset. The issue, however, lies in how Sheik and Ganondorf would look. Sheik at least has the Sheika costume backing her up, though Ganondorf may be more problematic, as I doubt Calamity Ganon could be fused with Ganondorf. One solution would be to keep Ganondorf in his The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess design while Link and Zelda move on - I personally have no qualms with the idea, but I've seen that opinions on this are divided at best. This leaves the Champions, who are equally if not more likely. Any of them would work - I'd personally like to see Mipha and/or Urbosa - though I doubt we're getting all four.
 
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Every smash game gives us a retro newcomer.

Melee had Mr. Game & Watch.

Brawl had R.O.B.

4 had Duck Hunt.

Who do you expect for Smash Switch?
Smash 5 will likely continue this trend of adding one obscure retro newcomer. I have made I list of viable picks, any of which have a shot at getting in.

Lip
Bubbles
Takamaru
Balloon Fighter
Ayumi Tachibana from the Detective Club series
Sukapon
Diskun, probably the least likely on this list but still viable.

The biggest problem with the Yoshi's Island series is that most of the characters in that series are also part of the Super Mario series. That's one of the reasons why the Yoshi's Island series has very little, if any trophy representation.
While that is true, I feel some properties, such as Shy Guys, Baby Mario, and Kamek, are more prominent in the Yoshi series and play a bigger role than they do in the Mario series, at least the mainline ones. When deciding what goes where in terms of universes, I feel that needs to be taken into account at least. Furthermore, there are also some Yoshi-exclusive properties that could be made into trophies, which include Poochy and the Stork. I also read somewhere that in PAL releases of the Wii U version that Baby Luigi, Shy Guy, and Kamek trophies were moved under the Yoshi series, so there's that.

Another thing to note is that Yoshi's been getting a lot more games of his own as of late, notably Yoshi's Woolly World and the new game coming to Switch later this year. These two specifically seem to use the arts-and-crafts artstyle to make it more different from Mario - it's this reason that I believe we may be getting some more representation this time around.
 
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Nintendo has a lot of old and new IPs they can still dig into, in particular arms if it did well I expect to show up in some form.
 

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For retro I would say balloon fighter or the guy from tomb of the mask app ( I know he isn't old but he is still retro themed)
Try not to double post mate. If you have more to say use the edit button or wait for someone else to post before posting again.
Woah. Lots of replies since I was last on here. Let's see...



Toon Zelda is still Zelda, no? Besides, LoZ isn't the only franchise with a revolving cast that reuses characters. Anna from FE has made numerous appearances throughout the series.



As you said yourself, the only reason BotW's characters seem less important than the characters you listed is because the game didn't put a heavy emphasis on story. It's not fair if you're comparing characters from a game that doesn't focus on story to ones that come from a game that does. That's like saying that Marth is less important than Robin just because the latter debuted in a game with a deep story. You have to look at BotW itself. Compared to the other characters in BotW, the Champions had a very large role.

And it's not like the Champions immediately fell into obscurity. They got amiibo and their own DLC to keep them relevant. Did Groose have any of that?



Exactly. Believe me, I know Midna or Tingle are the more logical choices by far, but it feels like their time has passed. The library of Zelda games keeps on growing, and looking at Sakurai's most recent additions to the roster, relevancy seems to be a big factor in deciding characters (especially with Pokemon and FE).





Pretty hard to hate his enthusiasm.



https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/632936-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild/75154927

This is the only one I could find. Urbosa seems to be the winner of this poll, but Mipha isn't far behind. At the very least, I think we can conclude that the female Champions are more popular than their male associates.

Unsurprisingly, Mipha wins the popularity contest in Japan by a landslide. Not sure where the other Champions stand though. I think it's worth looking into their popularity too before handing the hypothetical roster spot to Mipha.



I'll admit, Mipha's voice acting was abysmal, and Sidon easily stole the spotlight from his older sister. Still, she does have one advantage over the other Champions. The people who knew her are still alive, and you get to hear them recount their fond memories of how she effected them. I thought it helped a little to expand on her story. At least she was handled better than Revali, who, aside from his tsundere personality, had little to go off of until the DLC.
You took my response out of context. You can indeed compare the characters I listed with those from BotW. Those characters had just the same chance in multiple Smash games throughout the years and none of them were chosen and ALL of them had more time for a story and fanbase to evolve with the game. If anything BotW lack of focus on characters hinders their chances more so than any other character I listed.

And the Fire Emblem reference is heavily invalid. Not only can you not compare apples to oranges but the vast majority of fans would agree that Marth is the face of FE. And they're both main protagonist's of their respective games. They have a LOT more going for them than anyone in BotW.
 
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While that is true, I feel some properties, such as Shy Guys, Baby Mario, and Kamek, are more prominent in the Yoshi series and play a bigger role than they do in the Mario series, at least the mainline ones. When deciding what goes where in terms of universes, I feel that needs to be taken into account at least. Furthermore, there are also some Yoshi-exclusive properties that could be made into trophies, which include Poochy and the Stork. I also read somewhere that in PAL releases of the Wii U version that Baby Luigi, Shy Guy, and Kamek trophies were moved under the Yoshi series, so there's that.

Another thing to note is that Yoshi's been getting a lot more games of his own as of late, notably Yoshi's Woolly World and the new game coming to Switch later this year. These two specifically seem to use the arts-and-crafts artstyle to make it more different from Mario - it's this reason that I believe we may be getting some more representation this time around.
Ironically, Poochy does appear in Super Mario Odyssey, so he's not exclusive to the Yoshi's Island series anymore. And even before then, Poochy did make a minor cameo appearance in at least two Mario spin-off titles.

Of course, despite his appearance in a Super Mario mainstream title, Poochy has primarily been a Yoshi's Island series character, so he'll probably get the Yoshi's Island series symbol if he happens to get his own trophy.
 
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, in particular arms if it did well I expect to show up in some form.
ARMS sold over a million copies a while ago.

So yeah, it did much better than most new Nintendo IPs.
 
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Every smash game gives us a retro newcomer.

Melee had Mr. Game & Watch.

Brawl had R.O.B.

4 had Duck Hunt.

Who do you expect for Smash Switch?
A certain samurai.

From a Famicom classic.
Smash 5 will likely continue this trend of adding one obscure retro newcomer. I have made I list of viable picks, any of which have a shot at getting in.

Lip
Bubbles
Takamaru
Balloon Fighter
Ayumi Tachibana from the Detective Club series
Sukapon
Diskun, probably the least likely on this list but still viable.
You are all missing a key detail.

Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., and Duck Hunt aren't just "obscure retro newcomers". That would be someone like the Ice Climbers.
Rather, they function as the games' "surprise characters". Characters that no one would see coming until they are unlocked (....or leaked....).

Characters Sakurai has mentioned in the past as ones that he has considered to include but decided against for whatever reason (such as Takamaru, Bubbles, Balloon Fighter, Ayumi, etc.) do not fit this category.
 
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You are all missing a key detail.

Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., and Duck Hunt aren't just "obscure retro newcomers". That would be someone like the Ice Climbers.
Rather, they function as the games' "surprise characters". Characters that no one would see coming until they are unlocked (....or leaked....).

Characters Sakurai has mentioned in the past as ones that he has considered to include but decided against for whatever reason (such as Takamaru, Bubbles, Balloon Fighter, Ayumi, etc.) do not fit this category.
Then trim my above list down to Lip, Sukapon, and Diskun, as I'm sure neither of them were considered for a previous Smash title, or at least were stated as so.
 
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In regards to the Zelda cast being updated to their BotW incarnations, if the Sheik outfit Link has justifies a design for Sheik, shouldn't the dlc Ganondorf outfit do the same for him? It's basically an updated OoT/Melee outfit. Only issue I can see is that Sheik hides most of her face while Ganon doesn't and having TP Ganon's face on his OoT outfit may look off but they could either just use his OoT face or as some have suggested, he could have a face similar to Calamity Ganon's.
 
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Then trim my above list down to Lip, Sukapon, and Diskun, as I'm sure neither of them were considered for a previous Smash title, or at least were stated as so.
Sukapon was considered in Melee as an item (I guess you were able to pilot him or something?) but scrapped because of rights issues involving the Joy Mech Fight series.
https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/04/13/the-definitive-unused-fighters-list-in-smash/


Lip would qualify, I suppose....if Lip's Stick wasn't an item.
It's a double-edged sword. If the item remains, Lip is obviously not going to be playable. If there's no sign of the item, people will speculate Lip is now playable, undermining the point of the surprise.

Diskun is really the only one that fits out of the list, even if he had a trophy in Melee.
....but then there's the fact he represents a Japan-exclusive system, which makes him highly improbable.
 
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I know I said this way earlier, but we need some kind of method were you have a 1/4096 or 1/8192 chance of getting a shiny pokemon. It would be distracting but amazing and fun, even though that experience is in Pokemon.

I am okay with the idea of adding a BOTW character, but I feel like they need more. I am all ears for a BOTW character though.
 
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