Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That's kind of what annoys me about Spring Man and Ribbon Girl. Neither feel like they have a severely unique enough gimmick to easily justify a clone moveset. The only major gimmick that could work would be Arms-related, and that doesn't really need a clone moveset to pull off well. It's actually pretty similar to how the Pikmin work perfectly for any potential Captain(they could have every costume as an alt and it'd fit fine).

Not saying Alph wouldn't be a fun clone if they have enough Pikmin that are unique to change him up(or a semi-clone), but he works as an alt since the focus is the Pikmin. I think overall it'd depend up on their gimmick entirely. Multiple jumps won't be a real gimmick they can make unique to justify a second moveset alone(although the idea that Ribbon Girl would be slower too, so almost like a Falcon-Ganondorf change-up when it comes to speed) could work. They're both pretty much the poster characters of the series. That said, I think a clone would be best as someone more unique like Twintelle.

 

[Deleted member]

What characters (first-party) are you hoping to be in smash 5? Mine are as follows:
Mario
(Re-work Mario to have content from Odyssey)
Paper Mario
Waluigi
Donkey Kong
King K. Rool
Dixie Kong
The Legend of Zelda
Impa
Metroid
Ridley*
Kirby
Bandana Dee
StarFox
Wolf
Pokemon
Decidueye
Gen 8 Pokemon^
Pikmin
Alph (clone)
Sonic
Tails
Dr. Robotnik
Punch-Out!!^^
Don Flamenco**
Great Tiger**
King Hippo**
Arms^
Min Min***
Spring Man*** (with ribbon girl alt)
Master Mummy***
Splatoon
Inkling^
Shovel Knight
Shovel Knight
Final Fantasy
Sephiroth

Plain text means it would be nice but I could do without
Bold means I really want the character
Bold and italic means I will be very angry if not included

*I know this has been deconfirmed but if you can grow Pikachu to the size of Luigi then you can shrink Ridley to the size of Charizard
**I want 1 Punch-Out!! character, but Don Flamenco is not only my preference but he also has the most moveset potential (7 different punches and a counter)
***I want 1 arms character and although Master Mummy is my favourite he seems slightly unbalanced for Smash and Min Min has more moveset potential (Dragon and Megawatt are not only her iconic arms but also seem like the best for a smash moveset) but we'll most likely end up with Spring Man (most iconic) with Ribbon Girl alt (nearly as iconic)
^Pretty much guaranteed (in arms and splatoon, guaranteed if Arms 2 and Splatoon 3 are made right before/during release of Smash 5, in Pokemon gen 9 dependent on release date)
^^Unlikely unless a) we get Punch-Out!! switch (which statistically we should) or b) everyone wants it (which they don't).

At the moment, just Bomberman and maybe K. Rool. Those are the only ones I want that could potentially appear, at least of the ones I've played their games in.
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How safe is Toon Link as a character?

Toon Link has appeared twice as a playable character. At the same time, he is a semi-clone of Link and his sub-series hasn't had a game since 2009 (not counting the 2013 remaster of Wind Waker). Even if we count the HD remaster, we still have no Celda game since the last DLC release or even Smash 3DS & Wii U itself. Also, Ice Climber's cut, while an anomaly, shows that returning veterans do not always get concrete spots.

Spirit Tracks and the HD remaster were probably big factors in keeping Toon Link around for Smash 4. If the sub-franchise doesn't see a game before Smash 5 gets released, he'll no longer be a recent character.

His inclusion would then hinge on whenever or not Sakurai (or Nintendo) sees two Links as necessary and I'm not sure if he will do so.

 

[Opossum]

At the moment, just Bomberman and maybe K. Rool. Those are the only ones I want that could potentially appear, at least of the ones I've played their games in.
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How safe is Toon Link as a character?

Toon Link has appeared twice as a playable character. At the same time, he is a semi-clone of Link and his sub-series hasn't had a game since 2009 (not counting the 2013 remaster of Wind Waker). Even if we count the HD remaster, we still have no Celda game since the last DLC release or even Smash 3DS & Wii U itself. Also, Ice Climber's cut, while an anomaly, shows that returning veterans do not always get concrete spots.

Spirit Tracks and the HD remaster were probably big factors in keeping Toon Link around for Smash 4. If the sub-franchise doesn't see a game before Smash 5 gets released, he'll no longer be a recent character.

His inclusion would then hinge on whenever or not Sakurai (or Nintendo) sees two Links as necessary and I'm not sure if he will do so.

Considering he's said several times that he feels having a younger and older Link is important, I think Toon Link is very safe.

Even more so considering how long lasting that artstyle has been.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

At the moment, just Bomberman and maybe K. Rool. Those are the only ones I want that could potentially appear, at least of the ones I've played their games in.
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How safe is Toon Link as a character?

Toon Link has appeared twice as a playable character. At the same time, he is a semi-clone of Link and his sub-series hasn't had a game since 2009 (not counting the 2013 remaster of Wind Waker). Even if we count the HD remaster, we still have no Celda game since the last DLC release or even Smash 3DS & Wii U itself. Also, Ice Climber's cut, while an anomaly, shows that returning veterans do not always get concrete spots.

Spirit Tracks and the HD remaster were probably big factors in keeping Toon Link around for Smash 4. If the sub-franchise doesn't see a game before Smash 5 gets released, he'll no longer be a recent character.

His inclusion would then hinge on whenever or not Sakurai (or Nintendo) sees two Links as necessary and I'm not sure if he will do so.

Triforce Heroes used the Toon art style and it came out post Smash 4.

 

[Deleted member]

Triforce Heroes used the Toon art style and it came out post Smash 4.

That's debatable. Post Smash 4 release, yes. Post-DLC, no.

Remember that the game came out when Nintendo was still making Smash 4 DLC and they did use games made during that time as shown with Corrin becoming a playable character after Fates got released in 2015. Not that I ever expected it to have an impact, but if Triforce Heroes was ever going to matter, it would have happened with the DLCs. Since it didn't and it had a rather poor reception for a Zelda game, I doubt it will matter when it comes time to deciding anything except maybe a song and a trophy. Regardless, the game is irrelevant so it won't save Toon Link if he ends up on the chopping block.

Having said that, Opossum does bring up a good point about Sakurai considering two Links important. I still don't think he's a shoe-in but he's definitely more likely than not if the roster does not receive a revamp.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Two Links is pretty much a shoe-in at this point. Link and a younger one. It's probably Toon Link, unless a major version of a new Child Link becomes relevant.

Also, post-DLC is kind of irrelevant. Considering that Toon Link is not a DLC character, they keep pushing the Toon style as the big one for the child versions. Even A Link To The Past got remade, as the Four Swords version is also based upon the Toon style(which Tri Force Heroes is pretty much yet another game based upo the Four Swords style, just changing it up a bit by removing the 4th option).

Honestly, the idea that Toon Link is somehow going to stop being a thing is really hard to believe, and that's not even including how much of a staple he's become in Smash as the major Child Link. Young Link is barely going to do much as a character outside of Majora's Mask related content in various Zelda works at best, as it's the only game where he's pretty much the main character. While one can argue that some of the older 2D games star Young Link, it could theoretically star the more Teenage/Adult Link too. It's not a clear-cut case(unlike MM). This is why they only really push either the Toon style for blatant child/2D versions and always have the far older Link for 3D games unless they, again, want Majora's Mask specific content(Young Link's key starring role). Of course, Young Link directly debuted in OOT, but it was pretty much the adult version that became a bigger focus of the game, a major reason why they update that one more often for the 3D games, with the child version getting a total of one new design. One stood out more. And one stands out for his Toon design, being used over and over again.

 

[Awesomeperson159]

One thing I forgot to mention: My number one character for smash 5 is Ice Climbers (kinda forgot but man am I disappointed that they weren't in smash 4).

 

[NintenRob]

My top 5 most wanted are

Skull Kid
Ridley
Bandana Dee
Banjo Kazooie
King Boo

Bandana Dee pretty much being the only one you could consider likely, but I'll keep hope for the others

 

[Dragoncharystary]

My top 5 most wanted are

Skull Kid
Ridley
Bandana Dee
Banjo Kazooie
King Boo

Bandana Dee pretty much being the only one you could consider likely, but I'll keep hope for the others

I want Bandanna Dee as well but as long as Sakurai is directing these games, I'm not getting my hopes up. Maybe I'm looking too much into it but I've always seen Sakurai as resistant in including content from Kirby games made after he left the franchise.

 

[Awesomeperson159]

Bandana Dee

Bandanna Dee

Bandana Dee needs to be in the next game or I will be angry. He's my #1 newcomer (because he's the best )

 

[Deleted member]

Two Links is pretty much a shoe-in at this point. Link and a younger one. It's probably Toon Link, unless a major version of a new Child Link becomes relevant.

Also, post-DLC is kind of irrelevant. Considering that Toon Link is not a DLC character, they keep pushing the Toon style as the big one for the child versions. Even A Link To The Past got remade, as the Four Swords version is also based upon the Toon style(which Tri Force Heroes is pretty much yet another game based upo the Four Swords style, just changing it up a bit by removing the 4th option).

Honestly, the idea that Toon Link is somehow going to stop being a thing is really hard to believe, and that's not even including how much of a staple he's become in Smash as the major Child Link. Young Link is barely going to do much as a character outside of Majora's Mask related content in various Zelda works at best, as it's the only game where he's pretty much the main character. While one can argue that some of the older 2D games star Young Link, it could theoretically star the more Teenage/Adult Link too. It's not a clear-cut case(unlike MM). This is why they only really push either the Toon style for blatant child/2D versions and always have the far older Link for 3D games unless they, again, want Majora's Mask specific content(Young Link's key starring role). Of course, Young Link directly debuted in OOT, but it was pretty much the adult version that became a bigger focus of the game, a major reason why they update that one more often for the 3D games, with the child version getting a total of one new design. One stood out more. And one stands out for his Toon design, being used over and over again.

That's not true. A Link to the Past got a successor, not a remake.

I don't see how post-DLC is irrelevant because that is where the majority of new content is going to be added into Smash from just like Brawl and Smash 3DS & Wii U.

Something worth noting is that Breath of the Wild combines both Wind Waker and the traditional series look into one game. It's probably a coincidence but it makes me wonder what plans are in story for the Celda games we've come to know. I can't see them being considered top priority ever again so perhaps mid-level efforts are what we can expect (like we saw with Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks) but hypothetically, if that doesn't happen then what does that say for Toon Link? Perhaps it won't happen next game but eventually he will become lower priority.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That's not true. A Link to the Past got a successor, not a remake.

I don't see how post-DLC is irrelevant because that is where the majority of new content is going to be added into Smash from just like Brawl and Smash 3DS & Wii U.

Something worth noting is that Breath of the Wild combines both Wind Waker and the traditional series look into one game. It's probably a coincidence but it makes me wonder what plans are in story for the Celda games we've come to know. I can't see them being considered top priority ever again so perhaps mid-level efforts are what we can expect (like we saw with Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks) but hypothetically, if that doesn't happen then what does that say for Toon Link? Perhaps it won't happen next game but eventually he will become lower priority.

I was talking about A Link To The Past/Four Swords. This used the Toon style. A Link Between Worlds is a different thing.

Here's the thing; Toon Link is still the most promoted version of a child Link overall. They have shown zero interest in ever returning Young Link OOT/MM style(which is not really anything more than a literal 3D version of regular Link from the older games, with at best a clear younger design that wasn't apparent in the overhead older games). It doesn't make sense to get rid of him when he's the only one even active at any time. Again, Young Link has two canonical appearances overall; OOT and MM. The older games is not something that's really official, and just has no specific kind of Link. The first time they make a clear design in when they remade ALttP, reusing the Toon style with the Four Swords part(although keep in mind this isn't a 100% Toon style, but heavily based upon it). Additionally, every handheld game since then has done this too. The Four Swords DS downloadable game, Tri-Force Heroes, Minish Cap, the literal sequels to Wind Waker, etc. It's no coincidence ALttP/FS as a game combo came out after WW. it's them pushing the style for the "younger" Link.

And that's even ignoring how unlikely we'll get a BOTW full design. Even if Sakurai isn't the director, it's been clear that unless they cut both Ganondorf and Sheik, they want their artstyles to be the same. Toon Link is an exception. What they did do is update them to loosely take upon the SS style a little. Smash 4's Link is mainly TP style, with a few bits from OOT and SS. I can see BOTW updates here and there, but not a full blown change. This would leave Sheik and Ganondorf unable to be updated at all, since they don't have actual counterparts(and bar a reboot game, they ain't getting cut). The last time we had a consistent update design for all 4 was Hyrule Warriors, a spin-off game, which isn't all that interested in for major updates as is. Plus, it'd look a bit odd for that Ganondorf to not have two swords specifically. And since he's pretty much guaranteed to still be a partial clone, anything more than a single sword usage in some way(instead of two swords) is beyond unlikely.

Just because there are new games doesn't mean they'll heavily update the designs to them. There's context to consider. Samus and Zero Suit Samus all have consistent design changes, and can easily be updated. You can easily update the other Mario characters for the most part, except Rosalina(heck, I don't even know if anyone besides Peach, Bowser, and Mario are in Odyssey. Not counting Pauline, of course). Now, I can see obviously some new costumes, but that's normal.

And that's also ignoring the overall artstyle of Smash For Switch. Will it be nearly as cartoony? If not, some could look strange. And so on. Nothing's ultimately as simple as "updating some designs".

 

[Deleted member]

I would much prefer the Smash 4 mechanics brought in over Brawl's mechanics. I know Brawl catered to the popular side, but it still felt too slow even for casual play. A nice competitive and casual mix really helped Smash 4. Melee can be considered too face paced and competitive, but Brawl is too slow paced and casual. Smash 4 is middle placed and competitive as well. So maybe Smash for Switch can be middle paced as well, but honestly who knows? Inkling is almost guaranteed for Smash for Switch. If Inkling was not in Smash for Switch the thoughts are going to be mixed.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I was talking about A Link To The Past/Four Swords. This used the Toon style. A Link Between Worlds is a different thing.

Here's the thing; Toon Link is still the most promoted version of a child Link overall. They have shown zero interest in ever returning Young Link OOT/MM style(which is not really anything more than a literal 3D version of regular Link from the older games, with at best a clear younger design that wasn't apparent in the overhead older games). It doesn't make sense to get rid of him when he's the only one even active at any time. Again, Young Link has two canonical appearances overall; OOT and MM. The older games is not something that's really official, and just has no specific kind of Link. The first time they make a clear design in when they remade ALttP, reusing the Toon style with the Four Swords part(although keep in mind this isn't a 100% Toon style, but heavily based upon it). Additionally, every handheld game since then has done this too. The Four Swords DS downloadable game, Tri-Force Heroes, Minish Cap, the literal sequels to Wind Waker, etc. It's no coincidence ALttP/FS as a game combo came out after WW. it's them pushing the style for the "younger" Link.

And that's even ignoring how unlikely we'll get a BOTW full design. Even if Sakurai isn't the director, it's been clear that unless they cut both Ganondorf and Sheik, they want their artstyles to be the same. Toon Link is an exception. What they did do is update them to loosely take upon the SS style a little. Smash 4's Link is mainly TP style, with a few bits from OOT and SS. I can see BOTW updates here and there, but not a full blown change. This would leave Sheik and Ganondorf unable to be updated at all, since they don't have actual counterparts(and bar a reboot game, they ain't getting cut). The last time we had a consistent update design for all 4 was Hyrule Warriors, a spin-off game, which isn't all that interested in for major updates as is. Plus, it'd look a bit odd for that Ganondorf to not have two swords specifically. And since he's pretty much guaranteed to still be a partial clone, anything more than a single sword usage in some way(instead of two swords) is beyond unlikely.

Just because there are new games doesn't mean they'll heavily update the designs to them. There's context to consider. Samus and Zero Suit Samus all have consistent design changes, and can easily be updated. You can easily update the other Mario characters for the most part, except Rosalina(heck, I don't even know if anyone besides Peach, Bowser, and Mario are in Odyssey. Not counting Pauline, of course). Now, I can see obviously some new costumes, but that's normal.

And that's also ignoring the overall artstyle of Smash For Switch. Will it be nearly as cartoony? If not, some could look strange. And so on. Nothing's ultimately as simple as "updating some designs".

Do you think it's impossible for Link to get a Breath of the Wild costume?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Do you think it's impossible for Link to get a Breath of the Wild costume?

I'd say it's likely, given that one of his palette swaps in 4 was a SS reference.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Do you think it's impossible for Link to get a Breath of the Wild costume?

Nope. Do I think he'll get an extreme overhaul? Nope. Honestly, the idea of a third(well, fourth technically) Link seems even more likely than an extreme overhaul.

However, I do think that Link using his BOTW weapons are very possible. The new bombs and bow, at least. Maybe his BOTW costume would also have an updated Boomerang from that game?

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Nope. Do I think he'll get an extreme overhaul? Nope. Honestly, the idea of a third(well, fourth technically) Link seems even more likely than an extreme overhaul.

However, I do think that Link using his BOTW weapons are very possible. The new bombs and bow, at least. Maybe his BOTW costume would also have an updated Boomerang from that game?

I think that is very possible and the best possible route to not alienate Link players.

On a different note I recently had this idea and simply must share it.

There's not too many iconic Mother places left to choose that haven't been used as stages already, but what if we picked one that represented all of the quirkiness and memories that it has to offer? Bring back Magicant, and then add the Hall of Memories as a stage.

The boat would travel down the canal as we see all the different items and mementos of EarthBound, with a remix of Polyanna playing in the background. The stage would have a simple layout and represent the best of the series.

 

[Opossum]

No amount of unique moveset would make me enjoy a third Link on the roster. No thanks.

 

[Deleted member]

No amount of unique moveset would make me enjoy a third Link on the roster. No thanks.

This is right. Three links is just stretching the line. I mean three of the same character is a little bit bizarre and it dulls the character. No unique move set ( even if it is cool ), would make me enjoy a third Link as well. You are right about three Links not being needed.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

No amount of unique moveset would make me enjoy a third Link on the roster. No thanks.

Yeah, even though there is a rather limited line of Zelda characters to choose from I would far rather see Impa or Vaati or even Tingle instead of another ****in Link.

On another note. If Smash 5 is somehow miraculously revealed in this rumored upcoming Direct what do you think they'll show? A logo? Or more?

 

[Mythra]

The last E3 hyped us with a 4, so probably the next one will do it with a 5.

If we get Smash on the next direct then Im betting on a port instead.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't see how big of a deal it is to remake 's moveset with what he does in BotW.

Keep all his normal attacks, change his specials, and remove his hook-shot.

And to the nostalgic people of his old moveset, there's still .

Everyone wins in my eyes.

(Though I don't know if people would agree to do the same with and having Toon Zelda for the purpose of still having her old moveset.)

 

[Staarih]

If nothing else, I hope the Zelda cast gets updated designs. While I understand they kept the TP designs last time to keep Sheik and Ganondorf on par with the rest, I feel like this time they could use some of Link’s armor from BotW as reference for composite Sheik/Ganondorf designs, Link and Zelda would be pretty much set. But we’ll see.

Toon Link remains the same of course.

 

[NintenRob]

I'm OK with some botw references in the moveset, but the only character I want to see overhauled is Ganondorf (and maybe Toon Link) , and I definitely don't want to lose the green tunic, it should be Links default design because it's Links iconic design.


The adult Link is the one that is meant to be encompassing to most appearance, hence he uses his most iconic weapons and attacks. It shouldn't just be just about one game.

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

I'm OK with some botw references in the moveset, but the only character I want to see overhauled is Ganondorf (and maybe Toon Link) , and I definitely don't want to lose the green tunic, it should be Links default design because it's Links iconic design.


The adult Link is the one that is meant to be encompassing to most appearance, hence he uses his most iconic weapons and attacks. It shouldn't just be just about one game.

Agreed.

I'd like some minor changes/additions to give certain characters a bit of a refresh in line with recent appearances, Mario, Link, etc but nothing too drastic. Colours/costumes and a standard move or two depending on the character.

My top 5 most wanted newcomers:

K. Rool
Rayman
Inkling
Bomberman
Banjo Kazooie

BK and K Rool are the longshots...

 

[Nonno Umby]

My Top 5 newcomers (so excluding Snake, Wolf and IC who I really want to return) are:
-King K. Rool
-Bomberman
-Rex and Pyra
-Elma
-Takamaru

About the Zelda discussion, Toon Link is going to stay. He is the most relevant version of Link as a child, and it reccoured in several games, and there is no sign that games with his styles are done.

And I really think that in the next Smash all the Zelda characters will have their design based on BotW. I doubt they will stick woth the green tunic for Link after how the blue Champion Tunic was promoted. Besides Link and Zelda who appear in the game, Sheik can be based on this

While they could create an original look for Ganondorf based on Ganon's appereance in BotW. It wouldn't even been the first time that Smash creates original looks for characters, think about Snake (Solid Snake's body with Naked Snake's face), Mega Man, Roy and Toon Sheik (who was worked on in Brawl)

 

[Cosmic77]

And that's even ignoring how unlikely we'll get a BOTW full design. Even if Sakurai isn't the director, it's been clear that unless they cut both Ganondorf and Sheik, they want their artstyles to be the same.

Nope. Do I think he'll get an extreme overhaul? Nope. Honestly, the idea of a third(well, fourth technically) Link seems even more likely than an extreme overhaul.

However, I do think that Link using his BOTW weapons are very possible. The new bombs and bow, at least. Maybe his BOTW costume would also have an updated Boomerang from that game?

I feel the exact opposite. Since BotW sold so well, updating the LoZ characters to resemble their latest incarnations (while retaining Link's trademark green cap and vest) just makes sense from a marketing perspective. Sheik and Ganondorf don't make an appearance in BotW? Not a problem. Sakurai can just redesign them and use aspects from BotW (like the Sheik mask Link can wear) to match them with the others. As for Link's weapons, what's the point in updating them to resemble his weapons from BotW if we're just going to keep the Twilight Princess design? Might as well go the extra mile and change his design too.

Honestly, is matching the designs THAT much of a priority? Sheik exists, and a Zelda newcomer will pop up sooner or later. They can't keep this up forever.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Keep Toon Link, throw out Ganondorf and Sheik for Ganon and Impa.

That's my ideal situation. However, I'd be lucky probably if Impa makes it in as an alt or downright clone. Which IS possible, cause Marth and Pit also got clones in Smash 4 and they definitely didn't debut in Smash 4 either.

Toon Link is a FAR better representation of the current Zelda franchise than Sheik and Ganondorf are. So I think that should give him priority, by my own measurements OF COURSE. Let me elaborate that before I get **** on again.

Am far more confident that Toon Link is going to return in the Zelda franchise at this point than Sheik, which is basically confirmed she won't appear every again. Ganondorf? It could go either way, but they seem to prefer using the classic version of Ganon in most recent games.

Buff Link, differenciate Toon Link a little bit more, buff Zelda to the max, add in Impa with Sheikah Slate magic to represent BOTW, and either change up Ganondorf hugely or throw in Ganon. That's how I'd fix the Zelda roster. I would opt for making Sheik DLC if there's a massive outcry for her to return yet again.

AGAIN, THIS IS ACCORDING TO MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION WHICH HAS ZERO ABSOLUTE EFFECT ON WHATEVER SAKURAI / NEW DIRECTOR IS GOING TO DO FOR SMASH BROS. FOR SWITCH.

 

[Deleted member]

I highly doubt any Zelda characters will be removed, because it is a very popular series and it has five. I know Sheik is not relevant to the Zelda games, but Sheik has kind of been a staple Smash character. I really doubt Sheik is going to be replaced or removed.

Agreed.

I'd like some minor changes/additions to give certain characters a bit of a refresh in line with recent appearances, Mario, Link, etc but nothing too drastic. Colours/costumes and a standard move or two depending on the character.

My top 5 most wanted newcomers:

K. Rool
Rayman
Inkling
Bomberman
Banjo Kazooie

BK and K Rool are the longshots...

Interesting and nice list. I could think of a moveset for everyone, but King K Rool's is interesting. What would his moveset be?

 

[dezeray112]

My Top 5 newcomers from the Nintendo franchises:

1. Inkling - Splatoon
2. Spring Man - ARMS
3. Takamaru
4. Rex - Xenoblade Chronicles 2
5. Impa - Legend of Zelda

My Top 5 guest characters:

1. Rayman
2. Bomberman
3. Jack Frost - Shin Megami Tensei
4. Someone from Tekken
5. Jibanyan - Yokai Watch

 

[Diddy Kong]

I highly doubt any Zelda characters will be removed, because it is a very popular series and it has five. I know Sheik is not relevant to the Zelda games, but Sheik has kind of been a staple Smash character. I really doubt Sheik is going to be replaced or removed.

Couldn't the same have been said for other cut veterans? Ice Climbers for example? Yeah, technical issues didn't help, but any cut is a loss. And Sheik as her own character is really a mess. They spend more time on her development than they should, and it resulted in virtually no changes in Ganondorf's moveset, who needed it most. You really want a 3rd time Hyrule Tier?

I wish she could be removed. It's unlikely, but they really should opt for it anyway. Having the same roster for Zelda 3 Smash games in a row, ever since 2001, is just real bad especially if 2/5th of the roster isn't even appearing in Zelda games anymore. Ganondorf has had his chances TWO TIMES in a row now, virtually no moveset changes but Side B and F Tilt and a far more clumsy looking, generic U Smash.

I just don't want this same eyesore anymore.

As for Top 5:

1. King K.Rool
2. Dixie Kong
3. Impa
4. Isaac
5. Banjo-Kazooie

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Couldn't the same have been said for other cut veterans? Ice Climbers for example? Yeah, technical issues didn't help, but any cut is a loss. And Sheik as her own character is really a mess. They spend more time on her development than they should, and it resulted in virtually no changes in Ganondorf's moveset, who needed it most. You really want a 3rd time Hyrule Tier?

I wish she could be removed. It's unlikely, but they really should opt for it anyway. Having the same roster for Zelda 3 Smash games in a row, ever since 2001, is just real bad especially if 2/5th of the roster isn't even appearing in Zelda games anymore. Ganondorf has had his chances TWO TIMES in a row now, virtually no moveset changes but Side B and F Tilt and a far more clumsy looking, generic U Smash.

I just don't want this same eyesore anymore.

As for Top 5:

1. King K.Rool
2. Dixie Kong
3. Impa
4. Isaac
5. Banjo-Kazooie

Dude, people LIKE Sheik. She isn't an eyesore to anyone but you, and your main reason is "I want Impa instead". Also, your comparison to Ice Climbers doesn't work as you said it yourself, they only got cut because of technical issues, which Sheik doesn't HAVE

 

[Ura]

Top 5's again huh?

1. Andy
2. Isaac
3. K. Rool
4. Crash
5. Snake

The last E3 hyped us with a 4, so probably the next one will do it with a 5.

If we get Smash on the next direct then Im betting on a port instead.

Yeah I want Advance Wars 5 as well.

 

[Phil Time]

Anything is possible but I don't think that a NEW Super Smash Bros. title will release in 2018.

Jesus Christ, even a release date in the year 2019 looks somewhat unlikely at this point.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You guys keep forgetting that Sakurai already said he was working on something and that something isn't released as of now, so unless Nintendo get a new person to direct Smash (which isn't impossible since Iwata isn't in charge anymore), a new Smash game hasn't even been thought of yet.

 

[Deleted member]

You guys keep forgetting that Sakurai already said he was working on something and that something isn't released as of now, so unless Nintendo get a new person to direct Smash (which isn't impossible since Iwata isn't in charge anymore), a new Smash game hasn't even been thought of yet.

What game is he working on? Just curious. I really doubt Smash is going to be announced at the next Direct, but honestly who knows.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

What game is he working on? Just curious. I really doubt Smash is going to be announced at the next Direct, but honestly who knows.

All we know is that it involves mechs.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ollieb...ha-anime-vifam-for-next-project/#24a20e0a4915

I'm betting on a Custom Robo revival, but we know so little that you shouldn't use my words as confirmation.

 

[Phil Time]

You guys keep forgetting that Sakurai already said he was working on something and that something isn't released as of now, so unless Nintendo get a new person to direct Smash (which isn't impossible since Iwata isn't in charge anymore), a new Smash game hasn't even been thought of yet.

Exactly.

That's what I have been TRYING to explain to everyone on the internet and in real life.

I know that this forum is Smash Boards and almost everyone here is OBSESSED with the Super Smash Bros. series but I don't understand why everyone is destroying their brains over an event that will PROBABLY need a considerable amount of time to happen.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Exactly.

That's what I have been TRYING to explain to everyone on the internet and in real life.

I know that this forum is Smash Boards and almost everyone here is OBSESSED with the Super Smash Bros. series but I don't understand why everyone is destroying their brains over an event that will PROBABLY need a considerable amount of time to happen.

The only way a Smash game could be announced in the next few months is if Sakurai is NOT working on it, be it a port or a whole new game.

I mean, we can still speculate, but I'd be surprised if a new Smash is announced this year.

 

[Deleted member]

Couldn't the same have been said for other cut veterans? Ice Climbers for example? Yeah, technical issues didn't help, but any cut is a loss. And Sheik as her own character is really a mess. They spend more time on her development than they should, and it resulted in virtually no changes in Ganondorf's moveset, who needed it most. You really want a 3rd time Hyrule Tier?

I wish she could be removed. It's unlikely, but they really should opt for it anyway. Having the same roster for Zelda 3 Smash games in a row, ever since 2001, is just real bad especially if 2/5th of the roster isn't even appearing in Zelda games anymore. Ganondorf has had his chances TWO TIMES in a row now, virtually no moveset changes but Side B and F Tilt and a far more clumsy looking, generic U Smash.

I just don't want this same eyesore anymore.

As for Top 5:

1. King K.Rool
2. Dixie Kong
3. Impa
4. Isaac
5. Banjo-Kazooie

Nothing indicates that working on Sheik cost Ganondorf an unique moveset. That would imply that Sakurai felt the need to make him unique which he doesn't. Sakurai could have all the time in the world and he's still not changing his stance on clones.

Also I don't see why the five Zelda characters we have are bad choices. All except Sheik are the most important characters in the series and even with Sheik, she provides an unique, enjoyable moveset that has made her one of the more popular inclusion in Smash.

Lastly, don't roast Zelda characters for not showing up when you advocate for King K. Rool and Dixie Kong in the same post. DK character supporters should know better than to support cuts for not showing up recently.
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All we know is that it involves mechs.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ollieb...ha-anime-vifam-for-next-project/#24a20e0a4915

I'm betting on a Custom Robo revival, but we know so little that you shouldn't use my words as confirmation.

So if that happens...

...do we get Ray MK III and Dark Ray MK III?