Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

That's a good point. But with Digivolution, maybe whoever gets in can activate it as a Final Smash, kind of like Bowser with Giga Bowser.

I don't think it should be limited to Final Smash.
Or a transformation that wears off with time.

If anything, I feel it should be similar to how it works in Rumble Arena 2. Though less common to where the Digivolutions actually feel rewarding.

 

[Deleted member]

If Pyra or Rex were to be in Smash for Switch? What would their move-set be, swinging their sword like crazy or using their brain blasts or powers? I heard some one say that they would be too bland for Smash but honestly who knows? A Digimon in smash would be funny yet very interesting.

 

[Deleted member]

using their brain blasts

Jimmy Neutron confirmed?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If Pyra or Rex were to be in Smash for Switch? What would their move-set be, swinging their sword like crazy or using their brain blasts or powers? I heard some one say that they would be too bland for Smash but honestly who knows? A Digimon in smash would be funny yet very interesting.

First of all, I like how your post is about Rex and Pyra, then suddenly, Digimon

But seriously, Rex and Pyra could form a good dynamic, especially since Pyra can turn into Mythra, creating some kind of stance character basis similar to Shulk's Monado Arts except not as complex since there's only two "stances" instead of six.

As for the Digimon, yeah, that'd be pretty funny.

Jimmy Neutron confirmed?

PURPLE FLURP TAUNT OR RIOT!

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[Deleted member]

In all seriousness, should Waluigi be an assist trophy or a playable character in Smash? Explain why. If Waluigi made it in that would be pretty interesting. I know someone made a moveset for him. But eh Waluigi would be a bit bland but honestly I do not care if he goes in or not. I just wanted to share my opinion.

Jimmy Neutron confirmed?

I was using that joke as a reference for Jimmy Neutron, because Pyra, Mythra and Rex have their powers that come out of their sword or brain or whatever. I knew brain blasts were from Jimmy Neutron, just wanted to speculate and to show that those three have some "whatever" powers. It was supposed to be a Jimmy Neutron joke, keep that in mind. I was not trying to not being smart, I just wanted to put that out there you know so everyone can appreciate my cunning personality.

PURPLE FLURP TAUNT OR RIOT!

^

 

[Awesomeperson159]

What characters (first-party) are you hoping to be in smash 5? Mine are as follows:
Mario
(Re-work Mario to have content from Odyssey)
Paper Mario
Waluigi
Donkey Kong
King K. Rool
Dixie Kong
The Legend of Zelda
Impa
Metroid
Ridley*
Kirby
Bandana Dee
StarFox
Wolf
Pokemon
Decidueye
Gen 8 Pokemon^
Pikmin
Alph (clone)
Sonic
Tails
Dr. Robotnik
Punch-Out!!^^
Don Flamenco**
Great Tiger**
King Hippo**
Arms^
Min Min***
Spring Man*** (with ribbon girl alt)
Master Mummy***
Splatoon
Inkling^
Shovel Knight
Shovel Knight
Final Fantasy
Sephiroth

Plain text means it would be nice but I could do without
Bold means I really want the character
Bold and italic means I will be very angry if not included

*I know this has been deconfirmed but if you can grow Pikachu to the size of Luigi then you can shrink Ridley to the size of Charizard
**I want 1 Punch-Out!! character, but Don Flamenco is not only my preference but he also has the most moveset potential (7 different punches and a counter)
***I want 1 arms character and although Master Mummy is my favourite he seems slightly unbalanced for Smash and Min Min has more moveset potential (Dragon and Megawatt are not only her iconic arms but also seem like the best for a smash moveset) but we'll most likely end up with Spring Man (most iconic) with Ribbon Girl alt (nearly as iconic)
^Pretty much guaranteed (in arms and splatoon, guaranteed if Arms 2 and Splatoon 3 are made right before/during release of Smash 5, in Pokemon gen 9 dependent on release date)
^^Unlikely unless a) we get Punch-Out!! switch (which statistically we should) or b) everyone wants it (which they don't).

 

[Deleted member]

In all seriousness, should Waluigi be an assist trophy or a playable character in Smash? Explain why. If Waluigi made it in that would be pretty interesting. I know someone made a moveset for him. But eh Waluigi would be a bit bland but honestly I do not care if he goes in or not. I just wanted to share my opinion.

Playable character, obviously.
He's truly an open slate; almost any kind of potential fighting style Sakurai could imagine, he could give to Waluigi and it would fit. This is because Waluigi is known for tapping into some of the most random of abilities between games, with the only constant being his ability to defy gravity and swim through the sky.

....but he will most likely remain an Assist, sadly.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Spring Man*** (with ribbon girl alt)

Why does everyone think Ribbon Girl should be a Spring Man alt?

They work very differently and would do so in Smash as well, thanks to her multi-jumps.

 

[Opossum]

Why does everyone think Ribbon Girl should be a Spring Man alt?

They work very differently and would do so in Smash as well, thanks to her multi-jumps.

And considering everyone in Smash needs to be able to Double Jump by default, Ribbon Girl basically loses what makes her special, making the Spring-Man alt thing not too farfetched.

If anything, their build differences might be the issue, not Ribbon Girl's "unique" abilities.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

And considering everyone in Smash needs to be able to Double Jump by default, Ribbon Girl basically loses what makes her special, making the Spring-Man alt thing not too farfetched.

If anything, their build differences might be the issue, not Ribbon Girl's "unique" abilities.

Ribbon Girl gets 4 jumps in ARMS though, not just one or two.

 

[Opossum]

Ribbon Girl gets 4 jumps in ARMS though, not just one or two.

Even more of a reason they wouldn't make her her own separate character. She'd be just an outright better Spring Man. Multiple jumps themselves are a big enough difference that they'd make one better than the other, but small enough that leaving them out wouldn't impact much.

When the only difference between the two is one that would invalidate the other, it's fine to leave it out. She can work as an alt if they slightly adjust her height and such.

 

[Sid-cada]

Why does everyone think Ribbon Girl should be a Spring Man alt?

They work very differently and would do so in Smash as well, thanks to her multi-jumps.

Honestly, I don't think any ARMS fighter will be overly-gimmicky. The extendable arms is basically all they need to stand out, being such a long range melee (?) fighter.

Adding more onto that seems more like adding complex gimmicks for complexity's sake, which at least I think should be avoided.

I believe our first ARMS fighter, whoever it is, will mostly ignore whatever gimmicks they have in ARMS to accommodate a more generic move set incorporating standards of the series, like Marth or Ness. They more stand in for the games they were in, rather than specifically themselves.


The only character that expect to deviate from this if they do decide to use a different character would be Dr. Coyle, who is way too different from most of the rest of the ARMS cast to be generalized. I can see her get in as a second character, though.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Even more of a reason they wouldn't make her her own separate character. She'd be just an outright better Spring Man. Multiple jumps themselves are a big enough difference that they'd make one better than the other, but small enough that leaving them out wouldn't impact much.

When the only difference between the two is one that would invalidate the other, it's fine to leave it out. She can work as an alt if they slightly adjust her height and such.

But Sakurai wouldn't do that.

I mean, Lucina became her own character because tipperless Marth and, for a more extreme example, Dark Pit became his own character just because Sakurai didn't think Pit's Final Smash would suit him. Not to mention Dr. Mario only got his own spot because he did in Melee.

Personally, knowing those clones became characters because of reasons like these, I think it'll be either Ribbon Girl as her own character or no Ribbon Girl at all.

However, there is a character who could work well as a Spring Man alt; Springtron. He's literally a robot Spring Man! Yes, he has the EMP-like thing and lacks the perma-buff at low health, but those things aside, he is literally a carbon copy of Springtron and was designed as such.

Honestly, I don't think any ARMS fighter will be overly-gimmicky. The extendable arms is basically all they need to stand out, being such a long range melee (?) fighter.

Adding more onto that seems more like adding complex gimmicks for complexity's sake, which at least I think should be avoided.

I believe our first ARMS fighter, whoever it is, will mostly ignore whatever gimmicks they have in ARMS to accommodate a more generic move set incorporating standards of the series, like Marth or Ness. They more stand in for the games they were in, rather than specifically themselves.


The only character that expect to deviate from this if they do decide to use a different character would be Dr. Coyle, who is way too different from most of the rest of the ARMS cast to be generalized. I can see her get in as a second character, though.

Most likely Spring Man then.

Yes, he has the perma-buff comeback mechanic, but how the hell would that work in a damage-based game like Smash?

 

[Deleted member]

It's funny.

When we talk about Gen 7 fighters, the ones that come to mind are Decidueye, Incineroar, Mimikyu, Lycanroc, Tapu Koko, Bewear, etc.

....but a thought occurred to me. With the promotional material it's had throughout Gen 7's lifespan despite the lack of a media appearance as of yet, what if we got Golisopod instead?

Along with Silvally, it has received a spike in promotion during Ultra Sun & Moon's development.

 

[Opossum]

It's funny.

When we talk about Gen 7 fighters, the ones that come to mind are Decidueye, Incineroar, Mimikyu, Lycanroc, Tapu Koko, Bewear, etc.

....but a thought occurred to me. With the promotional material it's had throughout Gen 7's lifespan despite the lack of a media appearance as of yet, what if we got Golisopod instead?

Along with Silvally, it has received a spike in promotion during Ultra Sun & Moon's development.

Only if Guzma appears commanding it in the background.

 

[Deleted member]

Only if Guzma appears commanding it in the background.

The idea of Guzma squatting in the background while Golisopod fights is too hilarious to not want.

 

[Sid-cada]

Most likely Spring Man then.

Yes, he has the perma-buff comeback mechanic, but how the hell would that work in a damage-based game like Smash?

Like I said, the ARMS representative will be as generic as possible. The designers will probably just ignore it and not implement it. Same goes for Spring Man's deflection ability.

The only gimmick an ARMS fighter will get is if every (or almost every) ARMS fighter could do it, like being able to have two punches out at the same time.

 

[Deleted member]

It's funny.

When we talk about Gen 7 fighters, the ones that come to mind are Decidueye, Incineroar, Mimikyu, Lycanroc, Tapu Koko, Bewear, etc.

....but a thought occurred to me. With the promotional material it's had throughout Gen 7's lifespan despite the lack of a media appearance as of yet, what if we got Golisopod instead?

Along with Silvally, it has received a spike in promotion during Ultra Sun & Moon's development.

Only if Guzma appears commanding it in the background.

The idea of Guzma squatting in the background while Golisopod fights is too hilarious to not want.

Golisopod would actually be a soilid option for a fighter, I mean look at those big claws. This guy has a large potential moveset like first impression. Guzma squatting while Golisopod fights would be funny and I would want it as well!

 

[Deleted member]

Golisopod would actually be a soilid option for a fighter, I mean look at those big claws. This guy has a large potential moveset like first impression. Guzma squatting while Golisopod fights would be funny and I would want it as well!

First Impression should be a move that's stronger at the beginning of each life.

 

[Opossum]

But Sakurai wouldn't do that.

I mean, Lucina became her own character because tipperless Marth and, for a more extreme example, Dark Pit became his own character just because Sakurai didn't think Pit's Final Smash would suit him. Not to mention Dr. Mario only got his own spot because he did in Melee.

Personally, knowing those clones became characters because of reasons like these, I think it'll be either Ribbon Girl as her own character or no Ribbon Girl at all.

However, there is a character who could work well as a Spring Man alt; Springtron. He's literally a robot Spring Man! Yes, he has the EMP-like thing and lacks the perma-buff at low health, but those things aside, he is literally a carbon copy of Springtron and was designed as such.


Most likely Spring Man then.

Yes, he has the perma-buff comeback mechanic, but how the hell would that work in a damage-based game like Smash?

The thing is, Sakurai made the conscious decision to make, say, Lucina as she is. And that's not even a point that works in your favor, seeing as Lucina fights nothing like her canonical self.

Lucina and Dark Pit were only given character status due to extra time, otherwise they would have stayed a costume like Alph. In this scenario, Ribbon Girl not quadruple jumping doesn't go against her character. It's just something that isn't done in her moveset in Smash, like Dark Pit utilizing his more unique weapons, or Lucina using attacks she actually uses in game, or Ganondorf not fighting like himself.

Alph is the perfect example. He uses Rock Pikmin in his game, and not as much Purple or White, but that isn't the case in Smash, where he is an Olimar costume. Swap out "Rock Pikmin" for "multiple jumps" and "Alph" for "Ribbon Girl," and there you go. Nothing is stopping her from being a Spring Man alt.

 

[Awesomeperson159]

I agree that it will likely be Spring Man with Ribbon Girl as a Dr. Mario-style clone, but I'm still pining for Min Min. Gotta love the dragon arm.

The Gen 7 newcomer will likely be Decidueye (most recognizable) but Golisopod actually does have a lot more moveset potential.

Of course, there might not be a Gen 7 newcomer if we get more gens before release (I guarantee if it's 2020s which a non-port will be, gen 8 will be out by the time Smash 5 is out and we might even be on gen 9).

Still pining for that Punch-Out!! newcomer, though.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The thing is, Sakurai made the conscious decision to make, say, Lucina as she is. And that's not even a point that works in your favor, seeing as Lucina fights nothing like her canonical self.

Lucina and Dark Pit were only given character status due to extra time, otherwise they would have stayed a costume like Alph. In this scenario, Ribbon Girl not quadruple jumping doesn't go against her character. It's just something that isn't done in her moveset in Smash, like Dark Pit utilizing his more unique weapons, or Lucina using attacks she actually uses in game, or Ganondorf not fighting like himself.

Alph is the perfect example. He uses Rock Pikmin in his game, and not as much Purple or White, but that isn't the case in Smash, where he is an Olimar costume. Swap out "Rock Pikmin" for "multiple jumps" and "Alph" for "Ribbon Girl," and there you go. Nothing is stopping her from being a Spring Man alt.

But in Olimalph's case, the Pikmin are the bulk of the moveset. Louie could be one of the alts too and it'd still work perfectly.

And yes, all clones are given their character status in the end as extra, that is very true. So, in that case, what would be stopping Ribbon Girl from having the exact same thing happening to her?

 

[Opossum]

But in Olimalph's case, the Pikmin are the bulk of the moveset. Louie could be one of the alts too and it'd still work perfectly.

And yes, all clones are given their character status in the end as extra, that is very true. So, in that case, what would be stopping Ribbon Girl from having the exact same thing happening to her?

One could just as easily say that it's not the Arm wielder, but the Arms themselves that'd make up the bulk of Spring Man's moveset. It's a useless triviality.

And if they were separated, they wouldn't just make her have more jumps. With Lucina, for example, she exists as an alternative to Marth. If you make Ribbon Girl a Spring Man clone with more jumps, congratulations. You just invalidated Spring Man. Multiple jumps makes her an upgrade instead of an alternative, so making her a costume and not implementing the extra jumps fixes that.

 

[Awesomeperson159]

But in Olimalph's case, the Pikmin are the bulk of the moveset. Louie could be one of the alts too and it'd still work perfectly.

And yes, all clones are given their character status in the end as extra, that is very true. So, in that case, what would be stopping Ribbon Girl from having the exact same thing happening to her?

It really depends on the dev team. I think that Alph could be his own character as a clone and ribbon girl could be a clone of Spring Man.

Spring Man could have a passive ability where the knockback formula returns x0.95 of normal but rage is multiplied by 1.053, while Ribbon Girl is slightly more floaty and has more double-jumps.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

One could just as easily say that it's not the Arm wielder, but the Arms themselves that'd make up the bulk of Spring Man's moveset. It's a useless triviality.

And if they were separated, they wouldn't just make her have more jumps. With Lucina, for example, she exists as an alternative to Marth. If you make Ribbon Girl a Spring Man clone with more jumps, congratulations. You just invalidated Spring Man. Multiple jumps makes her an upgrade instead of an alternative, so making her a costume and not implementing the extra jumps fixes that.

Not necessarily.

There could be some differences between them, like Spring Man being strong on the ground while Ribbon Girl only shines in the air or something.

They could also have different ARMS.

 

[Opossum]

Not necessarily.

There could be some differences between them, like Spring Man being strong on the ground while Ribbon Girl only shines in the air or something.

They could also have different ARMS.

But why go to that extra length when she's serviceable enough as an alt? Why put the extra resources into her when characters like Min-Min and Twintelle are just as, if not more, popular and offer more? Or characters like Helix or Lola Pop who, while not as important or popular, are really unique? Or more plot important ones like Max Brass or Dr. Coyle?

Spring Man and Ribbon Girl are clearly meant to be counterparts anyway (it's right in their names), so an alt fits best.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Ribbon Girl and Spring Man are so interchangeable with each other that anything other than them being alternates of each other would be strange to me.

It Ribbon Girl did become a last minute clone I imagine they're still leave out her defining trait, the jump, and just give her different arms than Spring Man. Still, if there were a second ARMS character added there are far better choices than Ribbon Girl to make a unique and interesting character.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

But why go to that extra length when she's serviceable enough as an alt? Why put the extra resources into her when characters like Min-Min and Twintelle are just as, if not more, popular and offer more? Or characters like Helix or Lola Pop who, while not as important or popular, are really unique? Or more plot important ones like Max Brass or Dr. Coyle?

Spring Man and Ribbon Girl are clearly meant to be counterparts anyway (it's right in their names), so an alt fits best.

I guess... wait a second!

Max Brass

Even more of a reason they wouldn't make [Ribbon Girl] her own separate character. She'd be just an outright better Spring Man.

So the idea of a "better Spring Man" can't work for Ribbon Girl (even though they;' obviously give different stuff to the two of them to work differently), but just because Max Brass has plot importance, he'd get a pass despite being literally a better Spring Man, even in ARMS?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I guess... wait a second!



So the idea of a "better Spring Man" can't work for Ribbon Girl (even though they;' obviously give different stuff to the two of them to work differently), but just because Max Brass has plot importance, he'd get a pass despite being literally a better Spring Man, even in ARMS?

He suggested Max Brass in reference to plot relevancy, not uniqueness. Even so, I agree with Opo, Spring Man and Ribbon Girl act best as alternates of the other.

 

[Krysco]

Most characters that have numerous jumps also have poor air speed to balance it out so Ribbon Girl could be a Spring Man clone and not be 100% superior to him. Mind you, I've never played or watched ARMS so I can't really say how much I feel Ribbon Girl deserves a spot. Could easily just be a 'if they have enough time' case

 

[Opossum]

I guess... wait a second!



So the idea of a "better Spring Man" can't work for Ribbon Girl (even though they;' obviously give different stuff to the two of them to work differently), but just because Max Brass has plot importance, he'd get a pass despite being literally a better Spring Man, even in ARMS?

If they're going to make a better Spring Man, you better believe I'd prefer the one that's actually important to what little story ARMS has.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If they're going to make a better Spring Man, you better believe I'd prefer the one that's actually important to what little story ARMS has.

Honestly... that's something I'd prefer too.

Plus, he's got great lines

 

[Staarih]

I agree with the notion of an ARMS character being focused on, well, the arms instead of any character-specific traits necessarily. I can see the moveset being very generic no matter who the character will be, it's really just to represent the franchise. Still betting on it being Spring Man, the face of the series. Ribbon Girl obviously fits the female counterpart of him if that's something they want to add.

Yay for ARMS discussion though, just today I got back to playing it after a looong break, I hadn't even tried Lola Pop out let alone all the newer ones. It's a quality game, hours passed without me even noticing, especially now with all the added content. While I'm a bit sad about there apparently not being any other content updated planned for it, I do hope it remains somewhat alive - I've been seeing a lot more positive reactions towards ARMS these days compared to what they were when it first released.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

As some of you said up above, I think Springtron makes more sense as an alt than Ribbon Girl does but she could still just as easily be given Spring Man's move set if they really wanted to do that.

Jimmy Neutron confirmed?

I'm sorry.

 

[Awesomeperson159]

I'm thinking Spring Man with Spring-tron alt is pretty much guaranteed, but I hope that we get someone with a very unique ability (Master Mummy, Twintelle, Helix, Dr Coyle) or unique arms (Min Min, Mechanica, Twintelle, Byte and Barq, Helix, Lola Pop, Dr. Coyle) as well.

 

[Cosmic77]

As far as I'm concerned, Sakurai can just make Ribbon Girl an alt of Spring Man. They're both fairly generic as is, and it'd be nice to have another character with swappable genders (even if they're not the same person).

 

[IronTed]

All of this talk about gen VII Pokemon seems premature. We have no idea when the next Pokemon and Smash games release, so Decidueye and company could be "outdated" by that point.

Or Smash could come out first and render this argument moot, who knows. Just pointing that out.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

All of this talk about gen VII Pokemon seems premature. We have no idea when the next Pokemon and Smash games release, so Decidueye and company could be "outdated" by that point.

Or Smash could come out first and render this argument moot, who knows. Just pointing that out.

Yeah, but we absoutely know nothing about a hypotetical Gen 8, so we speculate with what we have

 

[IronTed]

Yeah, but we absoutely know nothing about a hypotetical Gen 8, so we speculate with what we have

That is true, no doubt. Speculation with little to go on is very fun, if nothing else.

Personally, I'm skeptical of current gen Pokemon getting into next Smash (assuming it's 2019 though, 2018 is a different story). But with that hypothesis I literally have nothing else to go on, so yeah.

Edit: If I had to pick a team though, I would go with Decidueye.

 

[Nonno Umby]

Plot twist: Ribbon Girl will be the main character while Spring Man will be the alt.