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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Kirbunny431

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Red Vest item?

Sounds like the Assault Vest from Pokémon.

It increases a Pokémon's Special Defence but prevents them from using Status Moves.

I mean, maybe it'll be an item in Smash?
Definitely an obscure choice for a new item, which is interesting in itself. But if there's anything we've learned as of late, it's that fake leakers have gotten better at picking really obscure concepts that would still work in Smash.
 

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It's kinda sad people only seem to bring up dillon as being a sonic echo for some reason, I've never played his games but he seems to have a lot of potential as a unique character, he's literally from a tower defence game which is something we've never seen in a character, that alone could allow for a unique playstyle.
Technically, any echo has the huge potential to be their own unique character. You mean to tell me with all those weapons in Kid Icarus Uprising had, Dark Pit should be an echo? He even has his own staff but its basically a toy in SSB. Daisy and Lucina too could've been interesting themselves with the right amount of work, but its all good.
 

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Gengar is like the weirdest rumor that just won't die, it's likely to be "leakers" bandwagoning on it of course, but it's still just such an odd choice. Not that I wouldn't love it, and of course Gengar isn't all that obscure as he's always been fairly popular, but it'd definitely be a huge surprise regardless.
 

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Technically, any echo has the huge potential to be their own unique character. You mean to tell me with all those weapons in Kid Icarus Uprising had, Dark Pit should be an echo? He even has his own staff but its basically a toy in SSB. Daisy and Lucina too could've been interesting themselves with the right amount of work, but its all good.
He could use those weapons but the Silver Bow is his most used weapon, it's kind of his signature and characters in smash normally stick to their main weapons. That just reminds me of people saying Lucina could use a lance when she really wouldn't.

And while Dark pit could be unique there's literally no reason to add a unique dark pit over characters like Viridi, medusa and hades hence why him as a clone makes the most sense, even though he can be unique it's not really worth the effort. Could be unique doesn't always mean should be unique

There's absolutely no reason to make Dillon a Sonic echo, people are throwing out echo concepts when the characters have one minor trait in common and make no sense
 
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KMDP

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I'd love to see Gengar as a playable character, but that doesn't make any sense. He's popular and all, but why would Sakurai bring a character from the 1st gen at this point?
"I'd love to see Kanto as a region again, but that doesn't make any sense. It's popular and all, but why would Game Freak bring back the region from the 1st gen at this point?"
 
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KMDP

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Are we talking about Daddy Saks or Game Freak?
Who knows?

If Game Freak told Sakurai to use a Gen I Pokémon over a Gen VII one, do you think he'd say no?

Not that I necessarily want a Gen I Pokémon, mind you.
EDIT:
Also, interesting to note that the Smash Ultimate Exhibition starts when the Blog is usually updated.
 
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He could use those weapons but the Silver Bow is his most used weapon, it's kind of his signature and characters in smash normally stick to their main weapons. That just reminds me of people saying Lucina could use a lance when she really wouldn't.

And while Dark pit could be unique there's literally no reason to add a unique dark pit over characters like Viridi, medusa and hades hence why him as a clone makes the most sense, even though he can be unique it's not really worth the effort. Could be unique doesn't always mean should be unique

There's absolutely no reason to make Dillon a Sonic echo, people are throwing out echo concepts when the characters have one minor trait in common and make no sense
The way I see it, in order to be an echo you need two things:

1. Character needs similar body proportions for similar hitbox/hurtboxes.
2. Character needs to seem like they are capable of doing every move the other character can.

Why do I use the word "seem" because there are lots of instances when a character in Smash does things that they don't do in their actual games but it still looks natural to them.
 
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He could use those weapons but the Silver Bow is his most used weapon, it's kind of his signature and characters in smash normally stick to their main weapons. That just reminds me of people saying Lucina could use a lance when she really wouldn't.

And while Dark pit could be unique there's literally no reason to add a unique dark pit over characters like Viridi, medusa and hades hence why him as a clone makes the most sense, even though he can be unique it's not really worth the effort. Could be unique doesn't always mean should be unique

There's absolutely no reason to make Dillon a Sonic echo, people are throwing out echo concepts when the characters have one minor trait in common and make no sense
Heck, even if you completely ignore the Dillon's unique moveset potential, making Dillon a sonic echo is outlandish simply due to body proportions. We're not talking a minor "few inches shorter than the base character" like Daisy or Lucina. Dillon would have to have freaky long legs, a much smaller and skinnier torso, and a completely different head shape to work as a sonic echo.
 

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Heck, even if you completely ignore the Dillon's unique moveset potential, making Dillon a sonic echo is outlandish simply due to body proportions. We're not talking a minor "few inches shorter than the base character" like Daisy or Lucina. Dillon would have to have freaky long legs, a much smaller and skinnier torso, and a completely different head shape to work as a sonic echo.
This is the same reason why I don't think that Isabelle should be an echo of Villager. In order for it to work Isabelle would have to have her dimensions drastically altered to match the early AC games.
 

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A lot of peeps are thinking Heihachi will appear at EVO, but I'm so-so on that if only because another platform fighter already revealed Heihachi as a newcomer a few years ago(PS All-Stars) and the last thing Smash does is be predictable.

What I DO think will be there is most likely a new Demo build, and if Robin is in it and his FS is used.....
 

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Hey! Never Give Up, New World and Stand Up are great!

I don't think there's a single Japanese Digimon opening (and evolution) theme I don't like (I'd have to go through the Ending themes, though).

The "Digimon Fusion" theme is good, but way too Autotune heavy. Yes, we get it! "DIGITAL" Monsters, har har.
I agree Stand Up is great, but the other two I don't care as much for. Never Give Up is fine for what it's going for, but it doesn't stick with me as it feels very typical in terms of its tone and doesn't have enough to stand out from other themes like it. New World is more unique and it definitely owes that to its direction trying to fit the tone of the arc, but it also works against it as it ends up being a little too soft and somber for its own good. Both are better then the Digimon Fusion theme for the reasons you stated, but I don't think they're as memorable or even as catchy as most of the other Digimon themes around them.

Also... this.
*sigh* If only.
I have to say, they did a pretty good job with that!

Heck, even if you completely ignore the Dillon's unique moveset potential, making Dillon a sonic echo is outlandish simply due to body proportions. We're not talking a minor "few inches shorter than the base character" like Daisy or Lucina. Dillon would have to have freaky long legs, a much smaller and skinnier torso, and a completely different head shape to work as a sonic echo.
To add to this, his body proportions also come at odds with how Sonic's moveset would work. For instance, Sonic uses a lot of kicks in his movesets as moves like his Down Air, Jab 3, Ftilt, and the like all have him make full use of his long legs. Dillon's legs are short and stubby by comparison, so a lot of those moves would have to be reworked since he won't have nearly as much reach or flexiblility with them as Sonic would. You'd essentially have to put in work into a clone that by definition doesn't require as much work, and due to that it makes Dillon not that feasible as an echo .
 
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KMDP

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At what hour is the blog usually updated?
2 AM BST (9 PM EST) but it doesn't usually update on Weekends.
LGPE was definitely not in development in 2015 (because Pokemon Go was not released at that time). Sakurai would most likely pick a Gen 7 mon.
That wasn't what I was arguing.

Even if LGPE wasn't in production in 2015, the Gen I Nostalgia push started in 2013.
 
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Hasn't the blog had all it's usual updates this week. It doesn't update over the weekends and in Japan it's currently Saturday. I feel like people expecting a blog update are potentially getting their hopes up for nothing so I wouldn't put much stock into it.
Blog updates being closed for the week doesn't bar an announcement from happening separate from the blog.

Also, fun fact, but on anything that happens on Sunday can still be put on the blog, because for the better part of that day, it'll be Monday in Japan. Looks like EVO will go into the evening on Sunday, and Japan is 16 hours ahead of PST. Right now, it's 4 PM in Las Vegas and 8 AM in Japan.

Disclaimer: No, i don't actually expect anything, but it's not cause of the blog lol
 
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That wasn't what I was arguing.

Even if LGPE wasn't in production in 2015, the Gen I Nostalgia push started in 2013.
Honestly at this point if Gen 8 has even a pinch of Gen 1 pandering i'm gonna lose it.
You've got a whole game full of it now Gamefreak, chill out.
The worst part is I know it's gonna happen anyway.
 
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KMDP

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I don't think they're as memorable or even as catchy as most of the other Digimon themes around them.
I have to say, you got me there. :laugh:
Honestly at this point if Gen 8 has even a pinch of Gen 1 pandering i'm gonna freak.
You've got a whole game full of it now Gamefreak, chill out.
The worst part is I know it's gonna happen anyway.
The Gen I pandering wouldn't be so bad if it was more Classic Pokémon Pandering.

As in, including Gen II in the fun.
 
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I have to say, you got me there. :laugh:

The Gen I pandering wouldn't be so bad if it was more Classic Pokémon Pandering.

As in, including Gen II in the fun.
They had no real reason to not include the cross gen evos of Kanto Pokemon in LGPE.
They just didn't want to scare the people who haven't played Pokemon since 1999 with Pokemon that aren't "Original".
 

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Honestly at this point if Gen 8 has even a pinch of Gen 1 pandering i'm gonna lose it.
You've got a whole game full of it now Gamefreak, chill out.
The worst part is I know it's gonna happen anyway.
Gen 8 is just Gen 1 but it's set 100 years in the future when everything is more techno :troll:
 

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They had no real reason to not include the cross gen evos of Kanto Pokemon in LGPE.
They just didn't want to scare the people who haven't played Pokemon since 1999 with Pokemon that aren't "Original".
Only thing though is LGPE is a companion piece with Pokemon GO, and they are up to Gen 3 there last I checked
 
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