Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Zinith]

oh man I could go on a lot... But I shouldn't. Unless ya'll want.

(COME ON DAROACH )

Spoiler

Como

 

[Metal Shop X]

oh man I could go on a lot... But I shouldn't. Unless ya'll want.

(COME ON DAROACH )

Do it, reveal your passion!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Who are we kidding? We are gonna have Dark Meta Knight.

***** you know he'd be fun if you played Star Allies

 

[Staarih]

But I also catched something on the US Blog that's kinda weird. There's a WarioWare tag there now for whatever reason. Probably somebody ****ed up, since this isn't present on the JP website, but it's pretty weird.

I think the English site just messed it up (surprise) - it should probably be under the "Series"-header, since the Japanese site has it under there. In the English site it's missing there and has instead jumped together with all the random tags. Probably why it shows under Wario's blog post as well, since usually the "Series"-tags don't. The Japanese site is by far the best site to follow, it always has things like they should be.

Anyway, kinda cool to see a(nother) blogpost to go along with an anniversary/game release, first with R.O.B. at its 33rd anniversary, and this time Wario with WarioWare Gold. Japanese site posted a "Today's memory" to go with it:

【Today's Memory 】30：Wario
Wario claims that he has known Mario since childhood and that he is his greatest rival. Wario can only think about money and treasure. That greedy guy has a new game coming out for the 3DS today in Japan: WarioWare Gold. [Part 1] https://t.co/LAjvA9LEVu

— Source Gaming (@AllSourceGaming) August 2, 2018

 

[Zinith]

I think the English site just messed it up (surprise) - it should probably be under the "Series"-header, since the Japanese site has it under there. In the English site it's missing there and has instead jumped together with all the random tags. Probably why it shows under Wario's blog post as well, since usually the "Series"-tags don't. The Japanese site is by far the best site to follow, it always has things like they should be.

Anyway, kinda cool to see a(nother) blogpost to go along with an anniversary/game release, first with R.O.B. at its 33rd anniversary, and this time Wario with WarioWare Gold. Japanese site posted a "Today's memory" to go with it:

【Today's Memory 】30：Wario
Wario claims that he has known Mario since childhood and that he is his greatest rival. Wario can only think about money and treasure. That greedy guy has a new game coming out for the 3DS today in Japan: WarioWare Gold. [Part 1] https://t.co/LAjvA9LEVu

— Source Gaming (@AllSourceGaming) August 2, 2018

That tweet says "Part 1"

Hmmm...

 

[Staarih]

That tweet says "Part 1"

Hmmm...

Part 2:

The game has a ton of mini games from the older entries in the series!
[Part 2]

— Source Gaming (@AllSourceGaming) August 2, 2018

 

[Thirdkoopa]

okay here we go, this is short versions since i'm about to travel soon

Bandana Waddle Dee - Alright, so, I've actually used spears in real life. The best way to go about this character is that he's super weak, but the range is awesome and the speed would be pretty awesome - none of the Kirby characters (I guess MK) are particularly agile, so, this would be a fix. It's funny because even though I have no excitement for him as a character, his gameplay style would probably resemble what I would want

Animal Friends (basically Rick) - Rick wouldn't be a particularly quick character, but, a versatile character. The hard part is implementing Kine into the moveset (since Coo would be recovery) but the best way would be some sort of water splash. The best way I see this working is that he can bring out his animal friends and they're powerful (including the dreamland 3 ones) but , they can't be used when they're on screen. So, if Koo is still flying up, he can't be used for a recovery. So, basically, versatile but a bit of a 'limited shot'

Gooey - Gooey would probably be about as quick as Kirby, but rely far more on his tongue.

Marx - Quick but unstable. I think what would be fun to do with this fighter is mess with his grip of sanity - Not sure how one would go about this, but like, he can run on his ball but actually intentionally trip (Like, maybe some sort of sanity meter?) - This could lead to a character that, with enough control in it, could be really used in skilled hands. Granted, luck.

Adeline & Ribbon - Slow, but for players with patience. A more versatile kit would be reasonable here - so like, very equipped to handle many situations (such as painting things that can cause different effects) - She would probably have more of a grip on the things she summons too, especially if she spends a long time.

Dark Meta Knight - ECHO FIGHTER! Okay, but serious idea: Assuming we can't change too much here, we make him more of a deflector, but also at the cost of him not damaging as much

Daroach - Glass Cannon idea again: same thing I had with Geno. He'd probably have some sort of brief glide ability and excellent... there isn't really a category he wouldn't succeed at. Okay, his attacks wouldn't be strong (Only maybe Storo coming out at b est) and he'd still fly off the screen easily, similar to our friend Mewtwo, but he would be a quick rush in rush out character.

phew have fun with these. I'll do Wave 3 at some point. Maybe. idk i haven't purchased robobot yet.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I need an Ashley reveal in my life right about now.

That would make August fantastic.

If she's in, I want it to be revealed in October, same with Simon Belmont. I know it's not the biggest holiday in Japan but I would love there to be a Halloween themed trailer.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I find it odd they'd reveal her on Friday for the US release since she's such a big fan favorite in Japan. Maybe it's just a timing of revealing Wario first on the website before Ashley on Friday.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Marx - Quick but unstable. I think what would be fun to do with this fighter is mess with his grip of sanity - Not sure how one would go about this, but like, he can run on his ball but actually intentionally trip (Like, maybe some sort of sanity meter?) - This could lead to a character that, with enough control in it, could be really used in skilled hands. Granted, luck.

I had made a moveset for Marx all based around his Jester ball, since it's my favorite part of him in Star Allies. Basically he could summon a jester ball with his neutral B and it would give him boosts to speed, range, power and some of his attacks would require it. However he couldn't recover with it (his 2nd and 3rd jumps would be his wings and he'd drop the ball) and he could detonate it from anywhere on the map as his down b (simialr to Snake and Link).

It was this weird chaotic management Moveset I made for him, and I'm not a video game designer so idk if it would work, but recently i've really been wanting a character that has to manage something while fighting. I thought it would be inkling with turf but that didn't pan out.

 

[Cosmic77]

The Wario post from the blog is the most I'm expecting out of WarioWare Gold's release. Even though I think it would make perfect sense to reveal Ashley now, there's no hard rule that says a newcomer has to have a special date/release to go along with their reveal. For all we know, Ashley could get revealed in November, with no new WarioWare game or spooky Halloween theme to coincide with it.

That being said, I'd assume revealing a character close to the release of a new game would be a lot easier this time around since the speculation window is so much shorter. I lowered my expectations on Captain Toad even more when his game came out and he didn't get announced. I'll probably do the same with Ashley if she doesn't get revealed sometime this week or next.

 

[Garteam]

I'd honestly really like to see Lycaroc be playable, but I actually feel pretty confident it will be a different pokemon that makes the cut simply for moveset reason. Sure, Sakurai and the rest of the development team have proven time and time again that they can make interesting movesets out of pretty much anything. But when choosing a Pokemon rep, I feel like they'll go for one that has a lot of potential to be really unique rather than just whichever one is simply being promoted heaviest at the time. Decidueye has feather/leaf arrows and can use its wing like a bow. Incineroar is a heel fighter who shoots flames from his, um, belt. And Primarina makes balloons out of water and can attack with sound. Does Lycanroc really have any standout abilities aside from looking cool and smacking people with rocks?

The thing that makes Lycanroc stand out, in my opinion, is his feral quadruped playstyle, as well as his earth based powers. Lycanroc would play somewhere between Wolf and Duck Hunt, being a fast fighter that specializing in baiting and punishing, with attacks such as slashes, bites, and bodyblows. It's also worth noting that an Earth-based power set is not actually something in we've seen in Smash yet. Lycanroc also has a very large movepool to pull from, which moves such as Accelerock, Stone Edge, Rock Climb, Drill Run, and Stealth Rock.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Gosh. The drum snare and roll in Ashley's Song really is perfect for a character splash sheet isn't it?

 

[Jetsurge]

I think you Ashley supporters may be safe. No assist trophy, for now

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Jimmy T with his Final Smash being the cats dancing at the disco


Hey that sounds like a great theme name

Also, he would need Jimmy P. as an optional palette.

QUESTION

These questions are a follow up to the whole "what if there was a month where a reveal trailer happened every week"

What month would you prefer this to happen in & who would you like to see revealed?

October. For those I'd like to see on each wednesday:

First week: Dixie Kong

Second week: Rayman

Third week: Bandana Waddle Dee

Fourth week: Shantae

Final week: Simon Belmont

Who are we kidding? We are gonna have Dark Meta Knight.

You say that, but he doesn't even originate from a Sakurai Kirby game, so he'd be forced to actually acknowledge him.

I think the English site just messed it up (surprise) - it should probably be under the "Series"-header, since the Japanese site has it under there. In the English site it's missing there and has instead jumped together with all the random tags. Probably why it shows under Wario's blog post as well, since usually the "Series"-tags don't. The Japanese site is by far the best site to follow, it always has things like they should be.

Anyway, kinda cool to see a(nother) blogpost to go along with an anniversary/game release, first with R.O.B. at its 33rd anniversary, and this time Wario with WarioWare Gold. Japanese site posted a "Today's memory" to go with it:

【Today's Memory 】30：Wario
Wario claims that he has known Mario since childhood and that he is his greatest rival. Wario can only think about money and treasure. That greedy guy has a new game coming out for the 3DS today in Japan: WarioWare Gold. [Part 1] https://t.co/LAjvA9LEVu

— Source Gaming (@AllSourceGaming) August 2, 2018

Nice nod to the Mario Vs. Wario comic, there.

phew have fun with these. I'll do Wave 3 at some point. Maybe. idk i haven't purchased robobot yet.

Susie doesn't fight you on a physical level in that game anyways.

 

[Nonno Umby]

QUESTION

These questions are a follow up to the whole "what if there was a month where a reveal trailer happened every week"

What month would you prefer this to happen in & who would you like to see revealed?

November, so that the wait between their reveal and playing with them isn't painfully long.
November 2nd: Simon Belmont
November 9th: Bandana Dee
November 16th: Ashley
November 23th: King K. Roll
November 30th: Elma

 

[Zinith]

QUESTION

These questions are a follow up to the whole "what if there was a month where a reveal trailer happened every week"

What month would you prefer this to happen in & who would you like to see revealed?

You know, I can actually see that happening, and it'd be November just before the game releases.

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry if this bothers anyone, but I just do not see how an Assist Trophy or Pokéball Pokémon in its current game can become DLC.

It never happened in Smash 4, and it would be weird to take out a part of the game that people are used to.

Yes it is possible for an Assist Trophy or Pokéball Pokemon to become a fighter in the next game, it happened with Little Mac. I just mean in the current game itself through updates.

I know it is sad Waluigi is not in the game, but I do not see him coming back as DLC. Maybe in the next game after Ultimate though.

 

[PSIGuy]

November 30th: Elma

Good thing she isn't announced in December, I heard the wind blows hard then.

 

[BeardyBennett]

Sorry if this bothers anyone, but I just do not see how an Assist Trophy or Pokéball Pokémon in its current game can become DLC.

It never happened in Smash 4, and it would be weird to take out a part of the game that people are used to.

Yes it is possible for an Assist Trophy or Pokéball Pokemon to become a fighter in the next game, it happened with Little Mac. I just mean in the current game itself through updates.

I know it is sad Waluigi is not in the game, but I do not see him coming back as DLC. Maybe in the next game after Ultimate though.

I mean they could just remove the Wah AT before release. I doubt anyone would miss it since it's honestly one of the dumber ATs anyway. Plus, it would signal to people that the team is planning on adding him in, which would hype people up even further and make a lot of people happy.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Sorry if this bothers anyone, but I just do not see how an Assist Trophy or Pokéball Pokémon in its current game can become DLC.

It never happened in Smash 4, and it would be weird to take out a part of the game that people are used to.

Yes it is possible for an Assist Trophy or Pokéball Pokemon to become a fighter in the next game, it happened with Little Mac. I just mean in the current game itself through updates.

I know it is sad Waluigi is not in the game, but I do not see him coming back as DLC. Maybe in the next game after Ultimate though.

There are a lot of things that never happened in Smash until 4, so "it's never happened before" really can't be evidence that something will never happen.

Since the assists/Pokéballs are just a list of characters (and the Pokémon even has 'chance' as a field since Mew/Jirachi/etc are set at 1/700 chance, it's easy enough to make a patch and set the chance of that one appearing to 0. Then they'll never show up for a summon again.

It would seem it's a waste of dev time to make an assist and then drop it like that, but it's not something that's physically impossible, especially if the demand is there.

I don't really care one way or another about Waluigi, but the one thing I've learned about Smash is "never say never."

 

[Deleted member]

I mean they could just remove the Wah AT before release. I doubt anyone would miss it since it's honestly one of the dumber ATs anyway. Plus, it would signal to people that the team is planning on adding him in, which would hype people up even further and make a lot of people happy.

Wrong.
Someone would imeddiatly know that Waluigi is not an AT and know he is potentially a fighter.

Plus do not get your hopes up. I do not see that happening at all.

Waluigi has a chance in the next game though.

 

[Noventiaa]

The only way i see anything like that happening is for during a reveal trailer, for someone to get Walugi out of an assist trophy, but instead of just attacking, the "P1" symbol moves over his head, he KOs the one who summoned him, and then the splash screen happens.

shut up, i can dream.

 

[DarkSt0rm009]

Good thing she isn't announced in December, I heard the wind blows hard then.

Almost makes you wonder about her last fight, did she remember?

 

[NintenZ]

For OCTOber, what if we saw an Octolings get revealed?

Anyone up for that?

 

[Deleted member]

There are a lot of things that never happened in Smash until 4, so "it's never happened before" really can't be evidence that something will never happen.

Since the assists/Pokéballs are just a list of characters (and the Pokémon even has 'chance' as a field since Mew/Jirachi/etc are set at 1/700 chance, it's easy enough to make a patch and set the chance of that one appearing to 0. Then they'll never show up for a summon again.

It would seem it's a waste of dev time to make an assist and then drop it like that, but it's not something that's physically impossible, especially if the demand is there.

I don't really care one way or another about Waluigi, but the one thing I've learned about Smash is "never say never."

Well that logic of yours does not always work either.

Not all things are possible. Like do you really think everyone will have an alt naked in the next update?

It is just I do not see it happening in Smash Bros. I would be weird to take out an AT role and to change it into a fighter.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I don't believe Waluigi is coming, BUT since he's known for Mario Tennis and sports titles. They could easily just throw the non AT version into the sports outfit.

However I don't see that happening.

 

[osby]

I mean they could just remove the Wah AT before release. I doubt anyone would miss it since it's honestly one of the dumber ATs anyway. Plus, it would signal to people that the team is planning on adding him in, which would hype people up even further and make a lot of people happy.

If nobody would miss him, they can just drop it like Isaac's Assist Trophy.

 

[Noventiaa]

Literally the only criteria for a fighter getting into smash is "does Sakurai think they would work" and although right now he clearly doesn't think so for Waluigi, sakurai does change his mind a lot. He did for Ridley. Not saying it will happen but it's definitely possible.

I don't believe Waluigi is coming, BUT since he's known for Mario Tennis and sports titles. They could easily just throw the non AT version into the sports outfit.

However I don't see that happening.

This makes a bit more sense when you consider that Wario's "biker" outfit was considered his main outfit in brawl, with his overalls as a secondary thing.

 

[osby]

Literally the only criteria for a fighter getting into smash is "does Sakurai think they would work" and although right now he clearly doesn't think so for Waluigi,

I imagine being canon also helps.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

There's no way they will show Ashley's fate tomorrow

It's going to be a direct or something like lucina and robin got

Then again evo does start tomorrow and there's something about announcements there

 

[BeardyBennett]

Wrong.
Someone would imeddiatly know that Waluigi is not an AT and know he is potentially a fighter.

Plus do not get your hopes up. I do not see that happening at all.

Waluigi has a chance in the next game though.

That was my point? That by him not being an AT people would be hyped to know he's potentially a fighter?

And also it's not my hopes. I don't really care one way or the other about Waluigi. And I'll say it's like 70/30 against Wah being playable. I do genuinely think Sakurai cares what people say and feel, and he knows a lot of people are disappointed about Waluigi. And I firmly believe he doesn't want what is likely his last entry (and possibly the last best chance Wah has to make a roster) to disappoint so many people.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

For OCTOber, what if we saw an Octolings get revealed?

Anyone up for that?

I think if we get echoes for Splatoon or Metroid, the two series who already have newcomers, they'll either be saved for last or just be flat out secret.

 

[Opossum]

I imagine being canon also helps.

> Mario canon

SMB2 was a dream, and SMB3 was a stage play. Let's not pretend Mario canon matters in the slightest for Smash.

 

[osby]

> Mario canon

SMB2 was a dream, and SMB3 was a stage play. Let's not pretend Mario canon matters in the slightest for Smash.

Ok.

 

[Deleted member]

> Mario canon

SMB2 was a dream, and SMB3 was a stage play. Let's not pretend Mario canon matters in the slightest for Smash.

If you need Ganon canon... Viridi is the girl to go to!

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I just remembered something

The Ashley's players are wondering a reveal will be tomorrow right?

Doesn't evo start tomorrow as well and they mentioned announcements will be made during evo?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Well that logic of yours does not always work either.

Not all things are possible. Like do you really think everyone will have an alt naked in the next update?

It is just I do not see it happening in Smash Bros. I would be weird to take out an AT role and to change it into a fighter.

...

...?

That’s...a bit of a logical jump.

As I said, I really don’t care one way or another about Waluigi. I’m just trying to play devil’s advocate here.

Anybody else remeber the DLC last round? “Roy won't be in because there’s already a Roy in the game and Smash has never had two characters with the same name!” “Ryu won’t be in because he’s Capcom and Capcom already has a rep in game!” “Corrin can’t get in; he’s too recent and we have too many Fire Emblems!” “The last DLC character will definitely be a super popular ballot character and not one who’s been preplanned!”

Do I expect a DLc promotion? No. Is it possible? As I’m not Sakurai, I can’t say no...

 

[TMNTSSB4]

For OCTOber, what if we saw an Octolings get revealed?

Anyone up for that?

You clever

If you need Ganon canon... Viridi is the girl to go to!

*Goddess...put some respect on Viridi, Goddess of Nature (and the woman whom will blow you up)

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Maybe I should mention my updated Assist Trophy predictions.

• Birdo
• Cranky Kong
• Beedle
• Revali
• Mipha
• Daruk
• Urbosa
• Daroach
• Eggplant Wizard
• Isabelle
• Glass Joe
• Bald Bull
• Gray Fox
• Air Man
• M. Bison