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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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What are the 7-10 newcomers to the base roster that would make the game PERFECT for you, with the first being “I absolutely NEED them” and the last one being “I could live if they weren’t added but they’d be cool to see regardless”? Counting Echoes, not counting potential DLC candidates who were too late for the base roster (like Rex & Pyra or an ARMS character)

For me:

1. Elma
2. Bandana Waddle Dee
3. Simon Belmont
4. Chorus Kids
5. Chrom
6. Dixie Kong
7. King K. Rool
8. Isabelle
9. Isaac
10. Lloyd Irving
A question that evokes the mind of safe bets and hard reads, me likey. Probably gonna repeat a few responses, but I think I can make a good enough fresh list with a big surprise. Also DETAILED RESPONSE ALERT.

10. Literally any indie character (Shovel Knight / Quote / Shantae / etc.)
With my connections with these characters, I practically have none. I do see them get requested a lot, in terms of the western sides of things, but I really just don't see it since these characters (aside from Steve from Minecraft... if he's still indie?) still need to build up that big reputation in Japan. The only true indie character I would vouch for would be Reimu Hakurei from Touhou. It makes too much sense. 2nd biggest indie series? Check. Historic presence on the internet? Check. Fantastic music? Check. It literally has all the checkmarks and the moment I see a Hakurei Shrine stage with Nuclear Fusion, I'mma N U T. And since Sakurai is looking for legacy in some aspects, this 21-year old franchise deserves all the love. Other than that, if we get someone like Quote, I'd be fine.

9. Edelgard - Fire Emblem: Three Houses
Look. I know. We have too many Fire Emblem characters as it is and would put Fire Emblem up SEVEN characters. But honestly, with history given with Fire Emblem and representation, I'm expecting her in the base roster. With Melee, Roy for Binding Blade, technically Ike for Path of Radiance during Brawl, Robin and Lucina for Awakening when Smash 4 happened, and of course, a DLC slot going to Corrin for the American release of Fates. Would I be upset? Honestly a tiny bit, but Corrin proved to be good enough of a character that gave the respective franchise a breath of fresh air, and from what little footage we got of Three Houses, I got an Ophelia from Octopath vibe from Edelgard, so I wouldn't mind for a cleric-esque character. I don't think we've had one before? Overall, I wouldn't mind, we would get more banger Fire Emblem remixes and another stage (AKAENIA WHEN SAKURAI) but... I would've also preferred another option. It's a catch 22.

8. Another Pokemon representative (Pokemon Sun & Moon / Gen 8 / etc.)
I've dabbled with Pokemon a little bit here and there, my most time spent with it had to be Pokemon Diamond (DIALGA SQUAD, WHERE YOU AT). Personally, I've enjoyed enough of what I got when it comes with Pokemon content in Smash. Pokemon Trainer, honestly, was my first character I ever played when I got back from my Toys 'R' Us when I was a kid. Also, pouring one out for Toys 'R' Us. Loved the character combinations and Charizard I used the most to be cheap. Unfortunately, I have never played another Pokemon game since Diamond and really missed out on a LOT. Planning on getting back into it with Pokemon Let's Go! Pikachu/Eevee and generation 8, so what better time to get back into Pokemon than with another Pokemon rep? If Decidueye gets in, I don't mind really. Me? I'm a BIG Empoleon fan, so if we get our penguin boy, I'm set. I DO, however, expect at the very least, since generation 8 is still a ways off, a Sun & Moon Pokemon, and since I never played those games, I don't really know which ones I would prefer. But, the music is always a good beat to vibe with, so I'd be pretty alright with a Sun & Moon Pokemon going into Ultimate. ...Or I dunno, put in someone from Pokemon Rumble Blast, BOOM, 80 MILLION COPIES SOLD.

7. Undecided 3rd-Party character (Sora / Banjo-Kazooie / Crash Bandicoot / DOOM SLAYER / Amaterasu / etc.)
I would absolutely go INSANE for any of these characters, but the reason why I've put them all in one slot (aside from a few certain characters above) is because... I'm just undecided on what I want, which makes them much lower on the list. I've played Crash Bandicoot: N. Sane Trilogy, Banjo on the old N64, and DOOM 2016, and MAN, I know now why people ask for these guys for Smash. Their games are just so, SO good. Same goes for characters such as Sora from Kingdom Hearts, Amaterasu from OKAMI, hell, I'll even throw out FRANK WEST from Dead Rising. 2nd Snake? Let's get it, boyyyy. But... That's also a bit of the problem. These choices are such a dream team of epic proportions... I feel as if it just becomes so hard to choose. If any of these guys happen to get in, I'll be ecstatic regardless.

6. Balloon Fighter - Balloon Fight (NES)
I feel as if to continue the tradition of adding in classic retro characters such as R.O.B. and Duck Hunt, Balloon Fighter just makes too much sense. Mainly because of Iwata. I think to give one last send off and tribute to one of the most legendary video game designers and leaders, one of Iwata's most iconic games should get a spot on the roster. Ice Climbers have already proved enough that Sakurai can think of the most craziest things when it comes to a moveset. While I don't have much to mention of, I still love retro representation and feel as if this tribute to a damn good man is a fantastic choice.

5. Phoenix Wright - Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney series
Now, when it comes to actual third-party characters I could really say "Oh, no doubt," it'd be Phoenix Wright. The series has had such an impact on the visual novel, puzzle, investigating genres, primarily known for being on the GBA and DS, even re-released on the Wii. From what I've played, the stories and characters can just instantly pull you into a universe that has stuff and tropes you might come to know, but puts it's own unique twist that every character and even NPC feels like you wanna talk to more and more. And the MUSIC? Now, I know that especially with this character that making a moveset for Phoenix could be all but impossible. But, thankfully we have Ultimate Marvel VS. Capcom 3 to thank for saving us the trouble. Sakurai could very much borrow a lot of the ideas that went into that moveset and put it into Smash Ultimate. And while this would be the third Capcom rep, I wouldn't mind at all. Especially if it's the finger pointing master himself. ...Also I just wanna see Phoenix's level 3 special as his Final Smash. Really badly.

4. Geno - Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
Super Mario RPG will always be one of the most beautifully crafted pieces of art from a surprise conjoined collab from Square and Nintendo. The music, art-style and overall gameplay and story is nothing short of a masterpiece and makes you really feel as if you were a part of the Mario universe, alongside adding in so much DEPTH into the Mushroom Kingdom itself. And one of those additions, just so happens to be the doll we all know and love. There's a reason why Geno is still one of the most requested characters since the Brawl days, and how could you turn down this character, a Forest Maze remix and a Mario RPG stage? While yes, Geno would technically be the NINTH Mario character, I'd say that we can give Geno a pass for having such an extremely unique history, which is a step up from Dr. Mario and Daisy. Just imagine having the final smash being the Geno Whirl, and if you time it frame perfectly, it can cause INSANE damage and most likely an instant KO. While there could be much more other third party choices to choose from, Geno still can't be disregarded. He even had his own splash screen for his Mii costume, for God's sake! It's time we gave our doll the chance of a lifetime.

3. King K. Rool - Donkey Kong Country series
The kreme of the krop. The katastrophic monster. The KABSOLUTE U N I T. You know him well. A while ago, during the Wii U / 3DS era, I never really cared for King K. Rool being in Smash and preferred other characters. I knew about the demand, but couldn't really care regardless. Nowadays, I've sat through some Donkey Kong Country, especially 2, and honestly... I really do see why all y'all want him. We really do need some good villain representation this time around, and while Ridley is doing a real good job at doing such to start us off, that ain't gonna be enough. We gotta have our Kremling King. Imagine having a Ship Deck level with having remixes of Crocodile Cacophony, Gang-Plank Galleon, Mining Melancholy... Hell, I'd even take another Stickerbrush Symphony remix, because David Wise is THAT music of an artistically tune genius. Not to mention all of the various alternate costumes he could have with his pirate and laboratory outfits, and the overall play-style he could have; I feel as if this would be the Ridley + King Dedede of K. Rool, and I wouldn't mind at all.

2. Crono - Chrono Trigger
We got EarthBound. We got Final Fantasy VII. We got Xenoblade Chronicles. It... It just feels wrong to NOT include Chrono Trigger this time around, when it comes to some of the most iconic of RPGs in gaming history. This game practically SET the golden standard of what a Japanese role-playing game should be, and even in other departments in general for video game history for years and years. Music that can envoke emotion like none other? A intertwining cast of characters with an engaging story? What else could you ask for? I would say that Geno would be on the level of "OH MY GODDD," but I feel as if even if people nowadays might not necessarily know who or what Crono and Chrono Trigger is, the absolute mind melting reactions that people will have who played the SNES and RPGs in general will for sure make people break their shelves and cry for the fact that we would have a Corridors of Time remix while fighting on the time travelling airship through the pre-historic and futuristic eras as Geno from Super Mario RPG and Cloud from Final Fantasy VII. Just imagine the reveal trailer... A clock-hand ticking left and right, Crono and Marle playing on a music box and then out of a sudden, "SMASH BROS. X. CHRONO TRIGGER." A kin to Cloud's reveal, and just knock everyone's socks off with a remix of the intro music from the original game. The ideas are almost ENDLESS and the hype would be unpalpable. ...Also I wanna see Vinny from Vinesauce lose his absolute mind. And, come on. Would you really miss out on the chance for basically Rick Rolling people?

1. Rex & Pyra - Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Yeah. I'm gonna break the rules. Why? Well, I'm a ROGUE. EVEBERO, ROGUE, EVEBERO Also, one word:
Greninja.

If Sakurai could make a fully fleshed out newcomer just based off of drawings and concept art for Greninja when Pokemon X and Y were still in development, then the argument of "the game's too new" and "muh project plan" is out the window. Also look, I know there are people who like Xenoblade X, and you do you, but you already know there's gonna be outrage if they put in Elma over Rex & Pyra. Not having these guys in the base roster would probably cause more controversy than when Corrin was revealed for DLC. And hear me out.

Music from Xenoblade 2 remixed. Nia (also known as best girl) and Dromarch assist trophy. A travelling stage around Alrest.
A ZEKENATOR TROPHY.

Boom, you're good. Also Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is the greatest RPG this generation that just these simple words being "let's begin the experiment" can make it justified, so come on Sakurai. You know which pill to take, and I'll take those pills with you.
 
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Deathcarter

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What are the 7-10 newcomers to the base roster that would make the game PERFECT for you, with the first being “I absolutely NEED them” and the last one being “I could live if they weren’t added but they’d be cool to see regardless”? Counting Echoes, not counting potential DLC candidates who were too late for the base roster (like Rex & Pyra or an ARMS character)

For me:

1. Elma
2. Bandana Waddle Dee
3. Simon Belmont
4. Chorus Kids
5. Chrom
6. Dixie Kong
7. King K. Rool
8. Isabelle
9. Isaac
10. Lloyd Irving
1. King K. Rool
2. Mimikyu

3. Isabelle
4. Toad/Captain Toad
5. Bandana Dee
6. Chrom (Echo)
7. Octoling (Echo)
8. Ashley
9. Dixie Kong
At this point, outside of K. Rool and Mimikyu (and Waluigi but RIP) I already have all my favorite pre-Switch Nintendo characters (:ultmario::ultdk::ultdiddy::ultbowser::ultyoshi::ultike::ultmarth::ultrobin:ultkirby::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight::ultlink::ultpikachu::ultmewtwo::ultpokemontrainer::ultpit::ultshulk:) so beyond those two I just kind of want to see Sakurai cram the notable Nintendo stars from Wii U/3DS era still remaining to wrap up the biggest crossover in gaming history as close to complete as possible. I get that people like Geno, Chrous Kids, Elma, Isaac, Chibi-Robo, and other more niche characters like them but I'm basically of the view where more obscure or left behind characters like those are too little, too late for the supposedly Ultimate crossover (the King of the Kremlings excluded because of personal nostalgia bias).
 
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This is why we need an actual ranked system.

And not that stupid ***-backwards "Global Smash Power" think Sakurai wanted to push.
I think the issue is that, by the nature of what Smash is, you'd need more than one ranking system., depending on how many online variants there are (in Smash 4 you would have needed two, for instance).
Let's say they have
Items On F4A
Items Off F4A
Items On 1v1
Items Off 1v1
Items On 2v2
Items Off 2v2
Items On F4A Ω
Items Off F4A Ω
Items On 1v1 Ω
Items Off 1v1 Ω
Items On 2v2 Ω
Items Off 2v2 Ω

That's twelve different Ranks you'd need to have.
 
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You know when you got to the store to pick up some milk and eggs only to come back home an discover that the milk was leaking all the way from the store to your house and all you have left is an empty jug?

Yeah making hair is like that. In everything...
 
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Yoshi lacks kill confirms; has no grab combos, and has a sub par neutral game. His grab is also bad but this is somewhat remedied by his command grab. Yoshi is much better on Wi-Fi. His theory is confirmed when you take into account of his results.

Also why do casual players insist on going on For Glory?? Its not fun stomping 7 people in a row unto the ground.
Not quite sure what your response of listing out some Yoshi flaws is for, I'm pointing out the fact that the main factor of Yoshi's big drop in tier perception had to do with the lack of a player who could push him at top level, a critical component for any character to be perceived well competitively.Yoshi's supposed theory remained stubbornly strong for a very long time and it was only after the non-stop failure for such a player to emerge that people started looking at Yoshi with a more critical lens, and in return started viewing him and his flaws a lot more harshly. Lucario was a similar character to Yoshi who had some stubbornly strong theory in spite of lacking results for a long time, but in Lucario's case Tsu emerged (as well as some other occasional major-level success from players like Day) and as such his tier perception has held (though not quite at Smash3DS days lavels) while his doubters reevaluated him more favorably.

Also don't know how wifi or your ranting statement about FG is relevant, I just mentioned frequently finding Yoshi players in all avenues of competitive play to counter the notion that Yoshi's problem was having no players.
 
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I think the issue is that, by the nature of what Smash is, you'd need more than one ranking system., depending on how many online variants there are (in Smash 4 you would have needed two, for instance).
Let's say they have
Items On F4A
Items Off F4A
Items On 1v1
Items Off 1v1
Items On 2v2
Items Off 2v2
Items On F4A Ω
Items Off F4A Ω
Items On 1v1 Ω
Items Off 1v1 Ω
Items On 2v2 Ω
Items Off 2v2 Ω

That's twelve different Ranks you'd need to have.
Items on isn't a competitive environment to be ranked and neither is FFA, so you can strike that off.
You can also strike off non-omega form only because that's redundant considering the only stages used for For Glory are FD and probably battlefield.

That leaves 1v1 and 2v2, omega and battlefield.
 

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Yoshi still gets comments to this day you would reserve for top-tier characters. "Oh, he's too easy. It's an automatic win." And it's frustrating for someone like me when you know that's not the case!!!
 

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Tiers aren't going to stop me from playing who I like. But I'll play along still.

Buffs for Buff dudes: :ultmegaman::ultlittlemac::ultike::ultganondorf::ultsamus:

Nerfs: :ultbayonetta::ultcloud::ultsheik::ultrosalina::ultdiddy:
 

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Okay so since we're discussing tiers, here's an idea for fun

List your five characters that you'd like to see buffed and five you'd like to see nerfed

Buffed: :ultroy::ultyoshi::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ultlink:

Nerfed: :ultbayonetta::ultcloud::ultsnake::ultdiddy::ultrosalina:
I'll at least do buffs, becausetThere's only about two or three characters I really want to see nerfed.

Buffed: :ultkingdedede::ultjigglypuff::ultpichu::ultzelda::ultlittlemac:

My main needs to step up his game this time. I'm a dedicated Dedede player in both 4 and Brawl, but in the former, he's definitely got a lot of issues. Here's hoping he's already on a good road in Ultimate's development so far.

Jigglypuff has been a joke character since Brawl. I still see peopel playing her well, but I really want to see her become more viable (and hopefully escape far away from the very bottom tiers again in the process). The Puff needs more love. She was fantastic in Melee. She can be more powerful again without being broken.

Pichu....yeah, I know the original point of the character in Melee was for him to be a joke as well, but I'm kind of past the point of wanting "complete" joke characters, if that makes any sense. Keep his gimmick, but balance it better in addition to giving the little guy some move buffs.

There are many reasons why Zelda needs buffs, so I won't go into them right now.

And the same goes for Little Mac. I'd like to see his role as a master ground fighter done better. At least a few Recovery move improvements will be welcome, too.

As for nerfs....:ultcloud::ultdiddy:

I'm just gonna admit it; I'm sick of Limit Break. I really am just sick of it. There are too many methods Cloud can use to charge it, rewarding him for doing practically anything. I get that this might be staying true to his source material (I can't say for certain either way, since I'm not that knowledgeable on Final Fantasy or his game in particular) but still....isn'tit a little much to give him that much leeway to use something so brutally powerful? Besides that, Limit Break attacks have very little ending lag and cooldown times, which makes it very hard to punish if it misses. It's quite easy for a Cloud to get right back to attacking the opponent regardless of whether the player succeeds or fails in landing one. We do already know that there's now a time limit on the move in Ultimate, meaning that if he doesn't or can't take advantage of Limit Break quickly, he'll just lose it anyway and have to slowly recharge it. So at least there's that.

And as for Diddy........Enough. With. The. Freaking. Banana Peels. If they could just tone those down a little somehow, I'd probably be satisfied.
 
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I wouldn't really trust SmashWiki's "Notable Players" sections for Smash 4, those sections are very fluff-filled and full of players who aren't particularly exceptional to the character's history or are just big names who sometimes fool around with the character, and have been poorly vetted/managed by the wiki community.
Well that's rather unfortunate, my bad. I didn't know that, guess I need to find a better source now lol.
Like the aforementioned Ron is mostly a Mario player for example. Nonetheless Yoshi's problem certainly wasn't a lack of players, from my observance he always had a decently large amount of players, and the amount of Yoshi players I fought throughout Smash 4, whether it be in tournament, friendlies, or FG, is higher than average among characters. The bigger problem as explained in my prior post is that Yoshi simply had no one good enough with him to succeed at the top level, leading to him being nearly completely absent from spectators at major tournaments as no one playing him could ever make it deep enough in bracket. Now where along the line between Yoshi's players not being good enough and Yoshi not being good enough is debatable, though I think it's certainly some combination of both.
Yeah, I agree that Yoshi doesn't have much players at a very high level (he had plenty of good players, just not amazing ones lol), although, I still think Ron should count as at least some very high level talent for Yoshi, I'm aware he plays far more Mario and Luigi than Yoshi but given that he's beaten Hikaru (playing as DK game 1 then Bayonetta game 2) before as solo-Yoshi and I swear I've seen him beat Shuton with Yoshi as a counter-pick before (I think he went Luigi game 1?) I think he should count for something. But yes, no Yoshi has ever truly broken that barrier and proven that they can win majors as Yoshi, and I don't disagree that that's a major factor in why Yoshi isn't perceived as being better than he is (although I do think the perception itself is accurate and that it has much more to do with Yoshi himself than it does his playerbase specifically, but that's just a subjective opinion of mine lol).
 

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Just my 2 cents on some characters I played extensively over the years.

Falco has potential to be really good due to the short hop being really easy to do and his DAIR coming out much faster now.

His neutral game has been improved with his lasers firing significantly faster and les standing lag.

I'm getting this info from the Smash wiki which claims to be accurate.

Imo the top 5 best characters will be in no particular order

Bayonetta she has been needed oik so many areas but solely due to her kit her combo potential is insane, there's not much that can be done to make her bad except a total rework

Pikachu, neutral air drags down so opens up so many so many combos with his spike. I have no idea why he was a spike (I know spiels don't technically exist since melee) but wow it's looks really effective, his old combos are still there like throw and thunder. Right now he's the best character in the game imo.

Snake, overall buffed from brawl and many of the things that prevented him from being top 3 in brawl was his vulnerability to being chain grabbed and many of his counters like meta knight being above him now all those issues are more or less gone in smash 4 he still has incredible camping and trapping game he will be up there for sure.

Marth is looking like a top tier beast, everything about him is looking scary, same with Ike to a lesser extent.

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How could I forget Shiek? Yeah he's looking like a top 5 beast for sure his kill confirms are better, extremely mobile, a very scary fighter no.

That wraps up who I think will be the top tiers in the game.

Ike I'm feeling may be high tier he seems scary with his buffs being significant, Ganon looks good right now but nowhere above mid tier he's deffs viable though.

Cloud is just very good at this stage nowhere near top tier the nerds did their job from what I can see. Lacks a good kill confirm and aggro threat from what's shown won't be bad but not too tier.

Inkling looks very good but I don't know the Meta with her so I can't comment can be top tier I'm leaning towards high tier.

Sonic can no longer spin dash cancel so mid tier imo.

Fox is mid tier so far unless phantasm not going through shields is a glitch, stil his up air is nerfed and his dash attack launches at an an unwanted angle.

Pit mid tier imo doesn't excel anywhere just a vanilla fighter.

Mario's up tilt nerf has distrusted his combo game he won't be as good as he was in smash 4

Dr Mario looks pretty good actually but I couldn't tell his movement speed it all depends on how fast he is but the changes done make him seem pretty viable. High mid tier or low high tier imo.

Falco can be high tier but we don't have enough info yet, the things that bad him low tier in smash 4 have been fixed for the most part but he's stil only in low mid tier until we get more info.

Mewtwo I think will be very good still around the same level as smash 4
 
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What are the 7-10 newcomers to the base roster that would make the game PERFECT for you, with the first being “I absolutely NEED them” and the last one being “I could live if they weren’t added but they’d be cool to see regardless”? Counting Echoes, not counting potential DLC candidates who were too late for the base roster (like Rex & Pyra or an ARMS character)

For me:

1. Elma
2. Bandana Waddle Dee
3. Simon Belmont
4. Chorus Kids
5. Chrom
6. Dixie Kong
7. King K. Rool
8. Isabelle
9. Isaac
10. Lloyd Irving
  1. The closest a major 3rd party character can get to being a Nintendo character, and one of my all time favorite series.
  2. love Animal Crossing and she's such fun and expressive character that really represents the animals of Animal Crossing.
  3. Big fan of DKC series, she was the most fun to play even over DK and Diddy, I liked her in Tropical Freeze as well.
  4. I always had a soft spot for Waddle Dee since Kirby 64, I love that this little underdog has risen to be a star in the Kirby franchise.
  5. Toad's an icon, Captain is my favorite version. Everyone doubts his moveset potential, but I would love to see him be an unorthodox fighter.
  6. She might be less famous than the Triforce wielders, but she's always been cool character in the lore and has received recent prominence.
  7. Haven't even play Castlevania (liked the show though), but you can't deny he's a old school Nintendo Icon among the ranks of Megaman.
  8. My preferred retro pick, I want to see what Sakurai can do with a mad max style biker as a character.
  9. HE IS TOO CUTE AND I NEED HIM, but honestly i'd also be fine with him being an assist.
  10. Really like his games and love the wild west aesthetic, but I understand that he's a bit obscure and probably won't get in.
 

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I didn’t expect them to show Jiggs this early.

Also I have one main Gripe with this Shadow conversation and how he can be unique.

Why!? In god’s earthly name, would SAKURAI, pick SHADOW, as a UNIQUE Sonic newcomer. WHY!? There are so many more prominent characters to pick from other third parties and in the Sonic series itself.

If any new UNIQUE character from Sonic is getting in, it’s Tails. There’s not questioning it since he’s the second most prominent character in the franchise.

Shadow’s only getting in as an Echo. And if Sakurai makes him a unique newcomer for some reason and spend a lot of time on him, I’m sorry but I can’t wrap around a decision like that, that time should go to Tails instead.
 

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1. Rex & Pyra - Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Yeah. I'm gonna break the rules. Why? Well, I'm a ROGUE. EVEBERO, ROGUE, EVEBERO Also, one word:
Greninja.

If Sakurai could make a fully fleshed out newcomer just based off of drawings and concept art for Greninja when Pokemon X and Y were still in development, then the argument of "the game's too new" and "muh project plan" is out the window. Also look, I know there are people who like Xenoblade X, and you do you, but you already know there's gonna be outrage if they put in Elma over Rex & Pyra. Not having these guys in the base roster would probably cause more controversy than when Corrin was revealed for DLC. And hear me out.

Music from Xenoblade 2 remixed. Nia (also known as best girl) and Dromarch assist trophy. A travelling stage around Alrest.
A ZEKENATOR TROPHY.

Boom, you're good. Also Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is the greatest RPG this generation that just these simple words being "let's begin the experiment" can make it justified, so come on Sakurai. You know which pill to take, and I'll take those pills with you.
I think we pretty much all know Rex is guaranteed, base or DLC, whether we like it or not.
Still gonna laugh that the Monado will be the series icon for probably forever. :substitute:
 

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Okay so since we're discussing tiers, here's an idea for fun

List your five characters that you'd like to see buffed and five you'd like to see nerfed

Buffed: :ultroy::ultyoshi::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ultlink:

Nerfed: :ultbayonetta::ultcloud::ultsnake::ultdiddy::ultrosalina:
Buffs

:ultbowserjr:: I love this boy. He is so much fun and probably my best character in Smash For. However, I really want to see a change in some of his specials. Particularly his neutral B which I use almost never, and I’d really want his down B to come out a little faster.

:ultdoc:: His new spike will probably do it for me tbh.

:ultpokemontrainer:: Everyone’s saying he’s extremely fun and a vast improvement from Brawl. Very excited to play as him.

:ultroy:: Being able to shift the direction of his neutral B is very good news. But I also just really want a little bit more speed and all around strength.

:ultzelda:: Like many other people I’ve never really had too much interest in Zelda, but after seeing her new design I really want to try picking her up. She’s so gorgeous, and I really hope her moveset can keep up with her beautiful redesign. I’ve heard mixed things from the demo so fingers crossed.

Nerfs
:ultdiddy:: Love this character. However, he is so good and so damn annoying that I can hardly even enjoy playing as him. That’s an issue.

:ultcloud:: Similar to Diddy. Less painful to fight against, but still too good to feel satisfying.

:ultbayonetta:: Duh.

Those are the only characters that I’m really wanting to see nerfed. Everyone else feels reasonable to me.
 
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Why!? In god’s earthly name, would SAKURAI, pick SHADOW, as a UNIQUE Sonic newcomer. WHY!?
Because he's more popular than tails these days and smash is ultimately a popularity contest. Shadow is just a cooler character

Amiibo sales need to be taken into consideration.

Shadow is easier to make than tails just being an echo fighter of sonic. Moreover if you add tails in you kinda need knuckles too to get the original trio and with knuckles being deconfirmed I don't see tails getting in.
 

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Why!? In god’s earthly name, would SAKURAI, pick SHADOW, as a UNIQUE Sonic newcomer. WHY!? There are so many more prominent characters to pick from other third parties and in the Sonic series itself.
Why would an unpredictable madman pick something that you'd rather not pick? Truly, this is a head scratcher. Also because Shadow is popular as ****. Dude got his own game, I didn't see The Adventures of Tails the Fox on store shelves.

Shadow’s only getting in as an Echo.
damn i always knew you were the daddy sakky himself

Don't try to predict or declare that a character can only be in a certain way, we're getting "too big" levels of absurdities.
 
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I think we pretty much all know Rex is guaranteed, base or DLC, whether we like it or not.
Still gonna laugh that the Monado will be the series icon for probably forever. :substitute:
What really still makes me so shocked is that practically EVERYONE has Rex & Pyra on their prediction roster for the game. Various big internet personalities, pretty much any Smash-related content creator, forums... I mean, hey. Xenoblade 2 is the closest we're ever gonna get to reaching for those pearly gates God is behind, but to have virutally EVERYONE say "Oh, Rex, Pyra, Mythra... Either of those are in, for sure."

I really wanna know, it fascinates me so much that two characters would be put on so many roster predictions.
 

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I've never heard of Tails' Skypatrol until 3 seconds ago.
I played it on the sonic mega collection on Xbox.

It's dreadful, all tails games are. Not like Shadow The Edgehog was any better mind you.

Sonic games have also been dreadful recently too. But they have established Shadow having a bigger role than Tails in recent games since Adventure 2 when Taisk was relegated to being stuck in a mech
 

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Why would an unpredictable madman pick something that you'd rather not pick? Truly, this is a head scratcher. Also because Shadow is popular as ****. Dude got his own game, I didn't see The Adventures of Tails the Fox on store shelves.
Well... if you really want to go that way, it's not like the games that are recently featuring Shadow are any popular either lmao
 

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Because he's more popular than tails these days and smash is ultimately a popularity contest. Shadow is just a cooler character

Amiibo sales need to be taken into consideration.

Shadow is easier to make than tails just being an echo fighter of sonic. Moreover if you add tails in you kinda need knuckles too to get the original trio and with knuckles being deconfirmed I don't see tails getting in.
Popularity really isn't the only factor, adding Shadow before Tails would be like adding Wario before Luigi, tails is the more important character and if we were to get another unique sonic character then he's the clear next choice.
 
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