Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[cothero]

*please ban after this post, I do not want PMs or anything nuts going my way on here*
Here's the truth. No questions asked.
.Theme of the game: Hero vs. Villain
.All o12 characters will get a villain if they dont have one already. Some are echoes.
.One of the echo fighters will copy Mewtwo
.Some villains are obvious, some are not. Think. See previos note.
.Smash Ballot was used. Ridley placed 3rd overall. They will never admit the placings.
.2nd is obvious. A popular villain.
.1st.... did not expect
.do not expect pics pr video leaks, Sakurai was truthful about the exclusivity and cell phones were not permitted by employees on shifts
That is all for now.

Yeah ok buddy.

 

[WaddleKing]

All of the 12 characters will get a villain?

If Pikachu gets Mewtwo, then who the heck is Jigglypuff's villain?

Jigglypuff is the villain.
She is the true villain behind Pokemon, she was the one who put Ash in a coma in the coma theory.
On a serious note, probably Clefairy, but it isn't notable or too similar to Jigglypuff for a playable status I feel, so no one. Though if Pokemon had another boss/villain like character, my choice would be Meowth or a Team Rocket member.

Anywho here's how I'd go by it, granted this one is more or less about rivarly between the characters with the exception of Jigglypuff:
-/
-King K. Rool
-
-
-/
-
-Kamek
-
-King Boo/Waluigi
-Samurai Goroh/Black Shadow
-Giygas
-

 

[7NATOR]

As someone who wants Adenine in Smash, why did she leave you disappointed?

Sakurai played, and completed those? Did he play any other Sonic games?

he played Sonic the Fighters (that's why is side tlit and forward smash are the way they are)

he also played the Classic games

TWO Spindashes and a Spring? That sounds familiar....

Are you this guy?

yes

 

[Icedragonadam]

I hope leak 18 was somehow real, but it's obviously fake. As for that riddle leak


Apple Juice- Bandana Dee?
Vampire- Simon Belmont
Puppet- Geno
Disney- Sora
Unite- Uhh Lloyd Irving?(Uniter of worlds)
Tracker- Captain Toad
Maria- You got me here. Edit: Oh wait it's likely Shadow(just remembered the character Maria from SA2)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Alright, this is a big session since I skipped the entirety of yesterday.

Spoiler: Session

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

>One newcomer: Dixie Kong
>Four assist trophies: Excitebiker, Bandana Dee, Skull Kid, Simon Belmont, Ryu Hayabusa
>One new stage: Arcade madness - Includes hazards from Pac-Man, Space Invaders, Arkanoid and Asteroids
>New team deathmatch like gamemode

That's what Smash is getting until release, hope you enjoy it

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

Information regarding two new characters in Ultimate. One original, one echo, both from the Kirby series. Bandana Waddle Dee, and Dark Meta Knight. Dark Meta Knight gets upgraded from a simple color option into his own echo fighter, of course one as Meta Knight. His gimmick compared to the rest of the echos is actually really interesting. He’s weaker, yet most of his attacks, including air attacks and smash attacks, all have lingering effects. A Smash attack will attack normally, and then half a second later, turns into a multi hit move that can be performed even when D. Meta Knight is moving. It’s hard to explain, but you’ll see. Bandana Dee takes traits mainly from Kirby Star Allies. And his most notable feature is his ability to switch between fire, wind, water, electric, and ice elements with his down special. These give his attacks special attributes similar to Shulk. Fire does more damage, Ice can freeze, water pushes similar to Mario’s Fludd, electric has multi hitting properties. Both of the character seems heavily combo based, with Dark Meta being able to hit once, trap the opponent, and then guess where they will end up to do a follow up. Both of these characters seem boring once said out loud, but in actuality, Sakurai and his team managed to make them very interesting fighters. Information came from someone from Hal Laboratories who held a meeting with the Smash Bros staff to discuss how the characters will be represented.

Spoiler: "Leak" 3

His [Incineroar] Smash reveal is coming soon. He was chosen due to the push he's gotten by the anime, his popularity, and because wrestling is a fighting style not yet used by a Smash fighter.

Spoiler: "Leak" 4

Howdy y'all. Heard you like leaks...
There's an upcoming Nintendo Direct mini centered around upcoming releases for Nintendo 3DS, airing on Twitch and YouTube on August 8th.
No, I don't know why it's 3DS only. If I had to guess, they wanted to get 3DS announcements out of the way. Release dates may not be accurate to all regions, these are USA dates.
> Luigi's Mansion - releases in October 2018.
> Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr's Journey - releases in February of 2019. Showcases Bowser Jr's Journey, very similar to Bowser's Minions from the Superstar Saga.
> Recap montage with already available games for the system, including Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS, Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS, Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, Minecraft: New Nintendo 3DS Edition, Animal Crossing: New Leaf - Welcome amiibo, New Super Mario Bros. 2, WarioWare Gold, Captain Toad, Dillon's Dead-Heat Breakers.
> New Nintendo 2DS XL models - Creeper edition with Minecraft: New Nintendo 3DS Edition pre-installed, Animal Crossing edition with Animal Crossing: New Leaf - Welcome amiibo preinstalled, and White & Lavender. Releasing in September, and will be up for pre-order today.
> Sonic the Hedgehog Classics Collection 3D - Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, and Sonic the Hedgehog CD are all remastered in widescreen for the Nintendo 3DS, including new features. Also includes the original versions of Sonic Spinball, Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine, and other Sega Master System and Sega Game Gear Sonic video games. Launching on November 5th, 2018. No Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles in the collection.
> Sonic Mania also launching for the Nintendo 3DS on November 5th, 2018 on the Nintendo eShop, with "Encore Mode" DLC available as well. No physical version announced in the Direct - as far as I know, one isn't planned.
> Yoshi's Puzzle League, a puzzle game where you flip blocks around, coming to the eShop in October 2018.

Spoiler: "Leak" 5

Hello, I have information on alternative color swaps for characters in Super Smash Bros Ultimate for the full release. Some of these costumes or color swaps will stay as a secret while the rest will be revealed in an upcoming Smash Bros. Direct sometime soon. My sources also state that some costumes are also unlockable through challenges, game modes, and Smash Run/Tour. Take these with a grain of salt.

Peach -> Odyssey Wedding Dress with Tiara featured in some of her attacks

Yoshi -> White colored Yoshi

Toon Link -> Fierce Deity color swap similar to Link in Super Smash Bros. 3Ds and Wii U

Bowser -> Wedding Tuxedo Bowser from Oddysey

Roy -> Reworked Melee Design [4 Melee design, 4 current]

Meta Knight -> Galacta Knight as an alt.

Dark Pit -> A color swap that has golden blonde hair that mirrors Pit’s golden haired alt.

K. K. Rool -> 2 King, 2 Kaptain, 2 Baron, and 2 Pharaoh outfits

Ryu -> Previous look from Super Smash Bros. 3Ds and Wii U [Street Fighter II]
-> A red gi with brown gloves [Omage to Ken?]

Ridley -> Meta Ridley and Proteus Ridley alts.

By the way, Zero Suit Samus still has her navy blue and orange outfits and Shirtless Shulk returns.

Spoiler: "Leak" 6

Here's yet another Smash Ultimate Leak. Sorry to say I know nothing about any newcomers, but I figure this other stuff will be interesting anyway:

There is planned to be free content updates ala Splatoon 2/ARMs but in the form of stages (think of it as being returning stages 90% of the time, though) and "seasons" for online play in a ranked mode.

They're going heavier on alternate costumes in the game, as you've probably already seen with things like Meta Ridley and Mario's Builder and Wedding costumes. They are planning to make more available for DLC.

Break The Targets is back, and each character has a unique stage like in Melee. Smash Tour is gone.

You'll be able to unlock and customize themes for the game's menus. Some of these are based on series, past Smash games, and various Nintendo aesthetics.

Spoiler: "Leak" 7

Hello I know you all want to know who is in Smash Bros. Ultimate, I can only reveal two characters just to make it clear I am not willing to discuss further details as I do not have anymore access to this information... King K Rool from Donkey Kong Country and Geno from Super Mario RPG are now newcomers to the Smash Bros. Ultimate roster. Please keep updated on the Nintendo Directs to find more out about Smash Bros. Ultimate in the later months!

Spoiler: "Leak" 8

Yes, we're all sick of these. No, that won't stop me from expressing what I know.

- The leaks from Vergeben are half-right. Simon Belmont is a playable character, Isabel is not. Her Assist Trophy returns.
- While the Geolyte leaks are fake, Geolyte is in fact coming to Smash.
- Bandanna Waddle Dee and Marx are both coming to Smash as new characters. Waddle Dee behaves similarly to how he does in Star Allies/Return to Dreamland, and Marx's moveset layout was later used for inspiration in Star Allies.
- Klonoa is a newcomer and the second representative of Namco. His default design uses the outfit from the Wii remake of Door to Phantomile, and his PS1 outfit is an alt. His Klonoa 2 design is only referenced through a palette swap.
- King K. Rool is also a newcomer, pulling most of his standard moves from Donkey Kong and Bowser. His specials are all entirely unique and based on attacks from his various boss battles.
- Decidueye is also a newcomer, plays about how everyone has expected him to.
- New Echo Fighters include Zeraora (Lucario,) Ninten (Ness,) Dr. Luigi (Dr. Mario,) Chrom (Ike,) and Dark Samus (Samus.)
- Plenty of unconfirmed retro stages return, too many to list.
- New Stages include Phantomile Tour from Klonoa, Mii Maker, Altar of the Sunne/Moone from Pokemon Sun/Moon, and Marx's Arena from Kirby.
- Dixie Kong is not playable, she appears in Diddy Kong's new Final Smash.
- Chrom obviously no longer appears in Robin's Final Smash. His role is filled by Frederick.
- New Assist Trophies include Sephiroth, Gaius, and Cappy. Isaac returns from Brawl.
- Shadow is still an Assist Trophy, he has just not been revealed yet.
- A Nintendo Direct will be shown on August 14th. Decidueye/Zeraora's reveal trailer will be shown. Additionally, a Smash Bros. Ultimate Direct is planned for September 28th.

Spoiler: "Leak" 9

K. Rool will look like a throwback to his first appearance with large golden chest armor and darker scales. Although, he will still retain some of his looks from his modern appearance.

Some of his moves include the Crown Toss, Kremling Shockwave (butt stomp from DK64), among others. He does use the blunderbuss for some of his attacks like shooting out the poisonous gasses.

Heaviest character in the game. Somewhat slow but very powerful. Final smash includes him sucking up opponents with his blunderbuss and transporting them to the Gangplank Galleon in a neat little cutscene. K. Rool falls from the sky and cannonballs will drop from the top of the ship and toss his captured opponents around like ping-pong balls.

Spoiler: "Leak" 10

The next Nintendo Direct will be mid-August but will have more minor titles and announcements. For those like myself hoping for Smash Ultimate updates we aren't going to see one until early September. I have SEVERAL sources confirming this and all are saying the same thing so I have to assume this information is correct.

Spoiler: "Leak" 11

Hello Guys, I have information about who are the remaining newcomers yet to be revealed. Sakurai said that we shouldnt expect too many newcomer well that isnt true, I have a friend on the Bandai Namco delevopment team that gave me this information. There are a total of 7 newcomers and 2 echoes.

The newcomers are:
-Simon Belmont
-King K Rool:
Chosen by his popularity in the Smash Ballot.
-Dixie Kong:
She wont be an echo but her moveset will be a little similar to Diddys especially her Side special.
-Geno:
Chosen by his popularity in the Smash Ballot.
-Hades
-Viridi:
Both chosen because Sakurai wanted because he wanted to give Kid Icarus more representation, Medusa was also considered.
-Rex and Pyra:
They were considered even before Xenoblade 2 was released.

The echo fighters are:
-Princess Hilda=Zelda
-Black Shadow=Captain Falcon

I dont know when these characters are gonna be revealed, but I can assure that they will be definetly in the game.

Good day.

Spoiler: "Leak" 12

>Bandanna Dee
>K. Rool
>Paper Mario
>Ashley
>Ridley (already known)
>Inkling (already known)
>Miku Hinasaki
>Lip
>Elma
>Geno as a Mii Gunner Echo
>Dark Samus as a Samus Echo
>Isabelle as a Villager Echo
>Daisy as a Peach Echo (already known)

Unlockable costumes are now a thing. Sakurai basically thinks of Echo Fighters as a halfstep between clone and costumes. Meta Ridley is one of them.

Ashley will be revealed in an August Direct along with Geno.

September has Elma revealed in a mini direct containing a release trailer for Xenoblade Chronicle 2's DLC.

October has a Smash Direct with K. Rool Miku Hinasaki, and Isabelle.

Elma is revealed in November with Dark Samus, via a special reveal event like Robin's.

The rest are only revealed post release. K. Rool gets a trailer released same day, though.

Simon Belmont might be DLC.

Spoiler: "Leak" 13

Apple Juice
Vampire
Puppet
Disney
Unite
Tracker
Maria

These are your smash newcomers. That's all I can say

Spoiler: "Leak" 14

Super smash bros ultimate is one of the most anticipated games in the franchise. This comes with many fake leaks, but I have something very real to share with you all. I am good friends with a programmer of the game who should remain anonymous for legal reasons. He only works with character models and attacks, but I don’t know much about attacks so I’ll just be revealing characters. So far, he has shown me 10 brand new characters, 5 new third parties, 3 upgraded assist trophies.

New Characters

-From the donkey Kong series, much wanted Dixie Kong and King K Rool will appear. I was told that Dixie is going to be a semi clone

-from fire emblem, chrom will return as a semi-clone of Ike

-there will be 2 new Pokémon, decidueye and mimikyu. I am also told that zeraora could come if there’s enough time, but nothing’s definite with that one

-the Zelda series will have one new inclusion, hilda

-The Mario series will have geno, paper Mario, and captain toad as new characters

-the Kirby series will have one new character, morpho knight

-the warioware series will see Ashley as a playable fighter

Third parties

-Simon Belmont will make it into smash

-this game will have characters from indie games including sans and shovel knight

-the last 2 third parties are goku and goku black finally making an appearance due to fan demand

Upgraded assist trophies

-shadow the hedgehog will be in the game with few similarities to sonic

-Dark samus will be playable with a unique phazon moveset

-finally, waluigi will be playable alongside being an assist trophy. And can you think of something more waluigi than summoning himself?

Spoiler: "Leak" 15

Hello, you all may think this is just is a "fake leak" but it will be proven right in upcoming Nintendo Directs and videos, I am currently working with a developer of the upcoming Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. There will be 4 newcomers and 2 echo fighters, The newcomers are as follows: King K Rool, Geno, Ashley and Claus/The Masked Man, most of these results are from the Smash Ballot, The echo fighters are as follows: Hilda and Octoling. The cut fighters are as follows: Dixie Kong, Paper Mario and Isaac, Dixie Kong was replaced by the more popular King K Rool, Paper Mario was scraped because Sakurai thought it would be "to confusing", Issac was scraped because Sakurai couldn't find a way to use him. Adventure mode is returning and is being developed by an outside company, so it is expected to be "bigger and better" than Brawl's Subspace Emissary.

Spoiler: "Leak" 16

Hello, my friend over at Nintendo based Japan got an oversight on the roster for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Thank me later on 7/12/18!

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Daisy e
Rosalina & Luma
Dr. Mario
Bowser
Bowser Jr.
Geno
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool
Wario
Ashley
Link
Zelda
Sheik
Impa e
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Young Link
Kirby
King Dedede
Bandana Waddle Dee
Meta Knight
Ice Climbers
Marth
Lucina e
Roy
Ike
Robin
Corrin
Alm/Cecilia
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Ridley
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Little Mac
Pit
Dark Pit e
Palutena
Ness
Lucas
Ninten
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokémon Trainer
*Squirtle
*Ivysaur
*Charizard
Pichu
Lucario
Greninja
Decidueye
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow e
Shulk
Elma
Villager B/G
Isabelle e
Inkling G/B
Olimar/Alph
Mr. Game and Watch
R.O.B
Duck Hunt Duo
Isaac
Wii-FIT Trainer F/M
Sonic
Mega Man
PAC-MAN
Snake
Simon Belmont
Ryu
Heihachi
Cloud
Bayonetta
Mii Fighters
Random Button

Spoiler: "Leak" 17

Aight my sources told me an additional character a while ago to the addition of Isabelle. If I find anything else, it will be posted on my reddit next so keep an eye out.

Simon Belmont
Isabelle
Ashley

Thank me later.

Spoiler: "Leak" 18

August 29th - Lloyd Irving
September 26th - Isabelle and Simon Belmont
October 29th - Saki and Isaac
November 26th - King K. Rool

>Let me explain the riddle.

The 1st trailer and last trailer will have a single character announced, while the 2nd trailer and 3rd trailer will have two characters announced, when the month's number is even the trailer will be released on the 29th and when month's number is odd the trailer will be released on the 26th.

Spoiler: "Leak" 19

. For new fighters in the base game though, Sakurai heavily leaned on the International results of the Smash Ballot, as many have speculated. So without further ado, what follows is all the info I have at the current date.

New Fighters:

1. King K. Rool (Donkey Kong)- One of the most requested on the Smash Ballot, powerful and slow
2. Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)- A fighter Sakurai wanted to add in Smash 4, semi- clone of Diddy
3. Geno (Super Mario RPG)- One of the most requested on the Smash Ballot, well balanced projectile and magic based fighter
4. Isaac (Golden Sun)- One of Europe’s most requested on the Smash Ballot, will use a sword but will also have magic based attacks
5. Rex & Pyra (Xenoblade Chronicles)- Almost didn’t make it in due to timing, Rex is the main fighter but Pyra follows him acting as his blade
6. Simon Belmont (Castlevania)- Simon was Konami’s stipulation for allowing snake, uses his iconic whip as well as some of his other traditional attacks
7. Shovel Night (Shovel Knight)- The first Independent Character, move set is heavily based off of his attacks in his game

New Echo Fighters:

1. Chrom (FE: Awakening)- Echo of Ike, faster but less powerful version of Ike
2. Ninten (Earthbound)- Echo of Nes, pretty much exactly like Nes
3. Dark Samus (Metroid)- Echo of Samus, attacks are the same but animations have been changed to look phazon based
4. Shadow (Sonic Franchise)- Echo of Sonic, slightly slower than sonic but more powerful, attacks are the same but animations have been changes to look more a chaos based

Potential Echo Fighters:

1. Impa (Legend of Zelda)- Echo of Shiek
2. Dark Shadow (F-Zero)- Echo of Captain Falcon
3. Medusa (Kid Icarus)- Echo of Pauletena
4. Celica (FE: Echoes)- Echo of Robin
5. Isabelle (Animal Crossing)- Echo of Villager
6. Princess Hilda (Legend of Zelda)- Echo of Princess Zelda
7. Ms. Pacman (Pacman)- Echo of Pacman
8. Octolings (Splatoon)- Echo of Inklings
9. Dry Bowser (Mario)- Echo of Bowser

Spoiler: "Leak" 20

Just gonna drop a few big ones. These probably aren't all of the unrevealed characters, but these are the ones I heard about.

- Geno
- Celica
- Simon Belmont
- Isabelle

Source hinted at a Direct in mid-August that'd reveal one of these (guessing Simon but who knows). Also heard Ashley is still an Assist Trophy, for those who care.

Spoiler: "Leak" 21

A friend I know works on the localization team for the game, he has given me some insights on the development, including the full roster and stages.
The roster consists of fan favorites chosen from the ballot consisting of King K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Simon Belmont, Ashley, Geno, and echo fighters Dark Samus, Isabelle, and Shadow, alongside two very special newcomers Goku and Twilight and Spike who will be the exception made for this game.
Sakurai was willing to bend the rules due to the heavy amount of requests for these characters and how well they would fit with the rest of the roster.

New stages consist of a stage based on the research station in Metroid Fusion, a stage based on Tropical Freeze, an area in the Alola region, a stage based on Dracula's Castle, Kami's Lookout, and a stage set in the Crystal Empire.

There's also this from someone who knew about Isabelle before Vergeben leaked it.

I think the thing about Vergeben compared to our other "major leakers" is that he's someone who leaks a bunch of different content, and you can tell he's likely doing it for the internet fame compared to the interest of the fanbase or to backup someone who's actually right. That's my 2 cents on him.

“Thank me on 7/12/18”
Little late for that, leaker guy. It’s a shame too, that roster is perfect

>Elma listed twice in another leak, once to coincide with Xenoblade 2’s DLC, another with Dark Samus a la Robin
1. Which is the truth?
2. You do know they’ve never revealed two newcomers from different series right? A veteran can be from a different series a la Robin’s, but newcomers are always from the same series if they’re 2 for 1 trailer.

Fatal Frame rep seemed neat tho...

And oh great, ANOTHER code names leak.

The BWD elemental gimmick seems neat tho, if not a tad impractical

 

[MainJPW]

Ain't Shadow almost the exact same as Sonic in Forces.

I don't think SEGA cares.

I just looked at some Shadow gameplay for Forces. Can Sonic fly like that?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

As someone who wants Adenine in Smash, why did she leave you disappointed?

Sakurai played, and completed those? Did he play any other Sonic games?

Her moves are really weird , she doesn't have any moves that make her cover ground easily other than Kracko which takes a while to set up, she feels pretty weak, barely any puzzles in her campaign and

Spoiler

The 02 and Miracle Matter remixes are huge letdowns for me

She feels like her only pull is nostalgia but literally every Dream Friend has been doing this. Doesn't help she came in with Daroach and Dark Meta Knight, who were ridiculous in their own ways and had lots of fun puzzles and secret themes

 

[KMDP]

Jigglypuff is the villain.
She is the true villain behind Pokemon, she was the one who put Ash in a coma in the coma theory.
On a serious note, probably Clefairy, but it isn't notable or too similar to Jigglypuff for a playable status I feel, so no one. Though if Pokemon had another boss/villain like character, my choice would be Meowth or a Team Rocket member.

Anywho here's how I'd go by it, granted this one is more or less about rivarly between the characters with the exception of Jigglypuff:
-/
-King K. Rool
-
-
-/
-
-Kamek
-
-King Boo/Waluigi
-Samurai Goroh/Black Shadow
-Giygas
-

The villain of Pokémon is the Pokémon Trainer themselves.

Capturing innocent creatures and stuffing them into small balls, then forcing them to engage in cockfights for monetary gain.

Truly, a monster.
I'm kidding, before anyone tries to correct me on Pokélore.

 

[Pyra]

Maria- You got me here.

Why, Shadow the Hedgehog, of course.
What leak are you talking about?

EDIT: I noticed you greninja'd me with your edit. Oop

 

[perfectchaos83]

I think the thing about Vergeben compared to our other "major leakers" is that he's someone who leaks a bunch of different content, and you can tell he's likely doing it for the internet fame compared to the interest of the fanbase or to backup someone who's actually right. That's my 2 cents on him.

Was that another 4chan post?

 

[Dragoncharystary]

*please ban after this post, I do not want PMs or anything nuts going my way on here*
Here's the truth. No questions asked.
.Theme of the game: Hero vs. Villain
.All o12 characters will get a villain if they dont have one already. Some are echoes.
.One of the echo fighters will copy Mewtwo
.Some villains are obvious, some are not. Think. See previos note.
.Smash Ballot was used. Ridley placed 3rd overall. They will never admit the placings.
.2nd is obvious. A popular villain.
.1st.... did not expect
.do not expect pics pr video leaks, Sakurai was truthful about the exclusivity and cell phones were not permitted by employees on shifts
That is all for now.

Giygas as an echo of Mewtwo proves this is fake.

Also this guy is piggybacking off of loz18 saying there could be a Heroes Vs Villains theme.

 

[blazefan519]

I just looked at some Shadow gameplay for Forces. Can Sonic fly like that?

In Forces? Yes.

 

[Hinata]

Aight my sources told me an additional character a while ago to the addition of Isabelle. If I find anything else, it will be posted on my reddit next so keep an eye out.

Simon Belmont
Isabelle
Ashley

Thank me later.

Is this person claiming to be Vergeben?

 

[Noipoi]

Guys I just had the wackiest idea for an echo fighter.

Lillie and Nebby, echoing Rosalina and Luma

Will it happen? Nope. But I think it'd be adorable.

 

[MainJPW]

In Forces? Yes.

I just found it.

That just looks bizarre.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I do think they would still want Shadow to show differences from Sonic if they were approached with the idea of a Sonic echo. i know Shadow being in Smash is a big deal, but i still can't see them sacrificing some of Shadow's individually to have him be a Carbon Clone of Sonic. at the least, they would probably request differences to the point that Shadow wouldn't be an echo.

imagine representative play-testing Shadow the Hedgehog, only to find him to just be a carbon copy, I can't see them just signing off on that.

I also do think Sega cares about Sonic, the Sonic team is just to incompetent at times (alot of them) to produce a high-Quality Sonic game, but i do think that they would care, yeah.

I don't think they would, nintendo's the one who's paying out to get the rights to use the character so they'd be getting profit and free promotion, sega is a corporation, they won't care about whether or not shadow is completely canon accurate, certain developers may care but it's in sega's best interest to let him be included, especially because of SEGA's currently messy image. And I'm sure SEGA would be informed that his inclusion would be as a clone, he's essentially been a reskinned sonic in plenty of the actual games anyway.

 

[blazefan519]

I just found it.

That just looks bizarre.

That's Forces for you.

 

[N. Onymous]

Are we not going to talk about the fact that one of these "leakers" actually said with a straight face that we would get My Little Pony characters in Smash Bros.

Seriously

What the hell

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Are we not going to talk about the fact that one of these "leakers" actually said with a straight face that we would get My Little Pony characters in Smash Bros.

Seriously

What the hell

Don't give them that precious attention there pal.

 

[N. Onymous]

I'm mostly in awe at the fact they'd think anyone would buy that for a second.

 

[blazefan519]

I'm mostly in awe at the fact they'd think anyone would buy that for a second.

I honestly doubt they did lol. Just wanted to see people's reactions most likely.

 

[KMDP]

I don't think they would, nintendo's the one who's paying out to get the rights to use the character so they'd be getting profit and free promotion, sega is a corporation, they won't care about whether or not shadow is completely canon accurate, certain developers may care but it's in sega's best interest to let him be included, especially because of SEGA's currently messy image. And I'm sure SEGA would be informed that his inclusion would be as a clone, he's essentially been a reskinned sonic in plenty of the actual games anyway.

If anything, because of SEGA's currently messy image, they would need Shadow represented accurately, not just represented at all.

Just letting Shadow in as a 1:1 clone of Sonic would just encourage confirmation that SEGA doesn't care about their characters (or how they're represented).

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Are we not going to talk about the fact that one of these "leakers" actually said with a straight face that we would get My Little Pony characters in Smash Bros.

Seriously

What the hell

Hold up, I need some solid evidence of this. You get me the link, I'll grab the popcorn. This'll be a treat for all of us

 

[Rie Sonomura]

“Thank me on 7/12/18”
Little late for that, leaker guy. It’s a shame too, that roster is perfect

>Elma listed twice in another leak, once to coincide with Xenoblade 2’s DLC, another with Dark Samus a la Robin
1. Which is the truth?
2. You do know they’ve never revealed two newcomers from different series right? A veteran can be from a different series a la Robin’s, but newcomers are always from the same series if they’re 2 for 1 trailer.

Fatal Frame rep seemed neat tho...

And oh great, ANOTHER code names leak.

The BWD elemental gimmick seems neat tho, if not a tad impractical

Oh wait now’s when I realize this guy is set in Europe as their 7/12/18 is actually 12/7/18 for us (the “Duck Hunt Duo” gave it away as that’s what they’re called in PAL regions)

So...that leak is technically still standing? Only disappointment is no Chrom or Chorus Kids but everything else is just right

Maybe a little too good to be true actually...

 

[N. Onymous]

Hold up, I need some solid evidence of this. You get me the link, I'll grab the popcorn. This'll be a treat for all of us

I'll copy and paste it from tehponycorn's post:

A friend I know works on the localization team for the game, he has given me some insights on the development, including the full roster and stages.
The roster consists of fan favorites chosen from the ballot consisting of King K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Simon Belmont, Ashley, Geno, and echo fighters Dark Samus, Isabelle, and Shadow, alongside two very special newcomers Goku and Twilight and Spike who will be the exception made for this game.
Sakurai was willing to bend the rules due to the heavy amount of requests for these characters and how well they would fit with the rest of the roster.

New stages consist of a stage based on the research station in Metroid Fusion, a stage based on Tropical Freeze, an area in the Alola region, a stage based on Dracula's Castle, Kami's Lookout, and a stage set in the Crystal Empire.

 

[7NATOR]

I don't think they would, nintendo's the one who's paying out to get the rights to use the character so they'd be getting profit and free promotion, sega is a corporation, they won't care about whether or not shadow is completely canon accurate, certain developers may care but it's in sega's best interest to let him be included, especially because of SEGA's currently messy image. And I'm sure SEGA would be informed that his inclusion would be as a clone, he's essentially been a reskinned sonic in plenty of the actual games anyway.

you also got to consider that HOW The character is represented though. yes profit and free promotion is important, but the representation itself is also mandatory

for example, in a hypothetical situation, imagine Sakurai wanted Shadow in, but decided to make him Green. Sega wouldn't be down that because that taints Shadow's image as a character. He's Black and red and not green

Shadow's Chaos powers is apart of Shadow's image, especially considering that even in Smash Shadow does his Trademark Chaos Control. you mention Sega's messy image of not caring, well by having Shadow basically ignore his trademark abilities in order to be a Carbon Clone of Sonic, that kinda adds to that message. Even in games where Shadow has played like Sonic, his Chaos powers would make their presence know whether by Boss fight or Cut-scenes.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Are we not going to talk about the fact that one of these "leakers" actually said with a straight face that we would get My Little Pony characters in Smash Bros.

Seriously

What the hell

I let out an audible chuckle at that just for the surprise factor, I thought fake Smash leaks had reached as far as they could, but that really caught me off guard lol.

 

[blazefan519]

you also got to consider that HOW The character is represented though. yes profit and free promotion is important, but the representation itself is also mandatory

for example, in a hypothetical situation, imagine Sakurai wanted Shadow in, but decided to make him Green. Sega wouldn't be down that because that taints Shadow's image as a character. He's Black and red and not green

Shadow's Chaos powers is apart of Shadow's image, especially considering that even in Smash Shadow does his Trademark Chaos Control. you mention Sega's messy image of not caring, well by having Shadow basically ignore his trademark abilities in order to be a Carbon Clone of Sonic, that kinda adds to that message. Even in games where Shadow has played like Sonic, his Chaos powers would make their presence know whether by Boss fight or Cut-scenes.

Just have him use his chaos powers in his final smash, problem solved kek

 

[Bebe Mignon]

@tehponycorn and if they’re image leaks that have Elma I hope she doesn’t look ugly af, the last fake leak had me like “tf u do to mah gurl ”

If that's supposed to be Elma, then...

 

[Metal Shop X]

After playing alot of Kirby Star Allies, I'm really conflicted now as to who I would pick for a Kirby newcomer.

Bandana Dee is the obvious pick, and I really like the little guy, who doesn't like a good underdog with a spear as his main weapon?

But Dark Matter Blade & Adeline have been also characters I would freaking love to see as playable. Sadly, I know Adeline have next to no chance despite her comeback. Dark Matter Blade case however is more...interesting to say to least. As the Dark Matter species have been slowy but surely more and more referenced in various way in various games. Dark Matter in general are also the most iconic enemy Kirby faced and the main vilains of the "Dark Matter Trilogy" (Dreamland 2, 3 & 64), and Dark Matter Blade is the most loved of all of them, well, behind Zero, but Zero doesn't really qualify much for a character, more a boss at best (and even then, there would be alot of censoring). Dark Matter Blade translate itself way better a fighter thanks it's design.

So yeah, whatever happen, I hope we get a new Kirby rep.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm genuinely considering watching a frozen 2 liter water bottle thaw out because it is WAY more mentally stimulating than these ****ing Shadow arguments

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

you also got to consider that HOW The character is represented though. yes profit and free promotion is important, but the representation itself is also mandatory

for example, in a hypothetical situation, imagine Sakurai wanted Shadow in, but decided to make him Green. Sega wouldn't be down that because that taints Shadow's image as a character. He's Black and red and not green

Shadow's Chaos powers is apart of Shadow's image, especially considering that even in Smash Shadow does his Trademark Chaos Control. you mention Sega's messy image of not caring, well by having Shadow basically ignore his trademark abilities in order to be a Carbon Clone of Sonic, that kinda adds to that message. Even in games where Shadow has played like Sonic, his Chaos powers would make their presence know whether by Boss fight or Cut-scenes.

Making shadow green and not incorporating his chaos abilities which he doesn't use in most playable appearances anyway are very different things, Shadow can act like himself without using that stuff. Plus they can still use those powers in a final smash as well as various effects (darkness on punches, teleporting for rolls etc) if having them is really necessary to sega.

 

[KMDP]

I'm genuinely considering watching a frozen 2 liter water bottle thaw out because it is WAY more mentally stimulating than these ****ing Shadow arguments

...You're not wrong.

 

[blazefan519]

Okay so I'm watching that UK Invitational and can someone tell me what happened with Mario and DK? Mario clearly sent DK to the blast zone and it went to sudden death and they still gave the DK the win? That's wack.

I'm genuinely considering watching a frozen 2 liter water bottle thaw out because it is WAY more mentally stimulating than these ****ing Shadow arguments

I actually find it hilarious. People thinking that they know how everything's gonna play out but no one knows a damn thing. Just makes me all the eager for when we get some more characters news.

 

[MainJPW]

Okay so I'm watching that UK Invitational and can someone tell me what happened with Mario and DK? Mario clearly sent DK to the blast zone and it went to sudden death and they still gave the DK the win? That's wack.

Like a split second after the timer went off. Still some bull****.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So villain for every one of the original 12?

Let's see

Mario = Bowser
Luigi = Bowser Jr.
Donkey Kong = King K. Rool
Link = Ganondorf
Samus = Ridley
Kirby = King Dedede
Yoshi = ??? (Kamek? Raphael Raven?)
Fox = Wolf
Pikachu = Mewtwo
Jigglypuff = Gen 7 Pokemon (Inceneroar/Salazzle/Tsareena)
Ness = Pokey/Giygas
Captain Falcon = Black Shadow

Doable but strange for a couple of them for sure

 

[KMDP]

Also, MoonlitIllusion , you don't seem to be considering that Shadow, as a third party character, would be a Guest Fighter. It's incredibly disrespectful to SEGA, as well as Shadow as a character, to bring Shadow into a game where he could be unique and then just make him a low effort clone of Sonic.

And no matter what you say, SEGA would care how their characters are represented in a Crossover. This is just common sense.

Generally speaking, Shadow is only the same as Sonic in games where the mechanics are inherently limited as to what the characters can do (without being over/underpowered), Smash is not one of those games.

 

[Idon]

The moment Sonic gets a hot pink costume is the moment I'll believe Shadow has a chance of being in.

 

[7NATOR]

Just have him use his chaos powers in his final smash, problem solved kek

Consider that Final Smashes aren't such a common occurrence in battles. im not even gonna get into Competitive Play, but even Casually, players won't always get a Smash ball in a match, and because of that, you are just gonna be stuck with the base moveset as part of a Character's image

if you just relegate Shadow's Known Chaos Abilities to a Final Smash, You are just gonna give an impression of Shadow as just another Sonic. and while Sega does want to establish Shadow has being an equal of Sonic, they also want to Establish that Shadow is a DIFFERENT Character and that he isn't Sonic

Making shadow green and not incorporating his chaos abilities which he doesn't use in most playable appearances anyway are very different things, Shadow can act like himself without using that stuff. Plus they can still use those powers in a final smash as well as various effects (darkness on punches, teleporting for rolls etc) if having them is really necessary to sega.

"most playable appearances"

The only game to not ever use Shadow's Chaos abilities in gameplay was the Free DLC of Forces. even in the games where Shadow does play similairly to Sonic he would have some sort of Chaos abilities in gameplay

SA2: Multiplayer, you had access to Chaos Spear and Chaos Control

Sonic Heroes: Team Dark's Blast attack Uses Chaos Control, which freezes time for 5-10 seconds

Sonic Rivals 1 and 2 (this is a game where everyone is a Sonic Clone, Even Silver, Knuckles, etc): Chaos Control was Shadow's special abilitiy

and then all the other games Shadow plays substantially different from Sonic. Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 06, Sonic and the Black Knight, Sonic Chronicles, Sonic battle...

Include all the boss fights where he would have his Chaos abilities (hell even Sonic boom got this right)

hell even without the Chaos abilities, How Sonic fights in Smash doesn't really fight well with Shadow's Character. Animations like Side Smash Down Smash works with Sonic because of his more light hearted nature. Shadow is Described as a more Dark Hearted Ruthless Character, and just putting Sonic's animations on Shadow doesn't capture Shadow's more dark nature at all. Along with the fact that Shadow is known to be more heavy on the Chaos abilities when he fights then any other character, and that is why Shadow as an echo will not suffice.

 

[Mc.Rad]

*please ban after this post, I do not want PMs or anything nuts going my way on here*
Here's the truth. No questions asked.
.Theme of the game: Hero vs. Villain
.All o12 characters will get a villain if they dont have one already. Some are echoes.
.One of the echo fighters will copy Mewtwo
.Some villains are obvious, some are not. Think. See previos note.
.Smash Ballot was used. Ridley placed 3rd overall. They will never admit the placings.
.2nd is obvious. A popular villain.
.1st.... did not expect
.do not expect pics pr video leaks, Sakurai was truthful about the exclusivity and cell phones were not permitted by employees on shifts
That is all for now.

So is it Black Shadow or Deathborn? You need to be real with me if we're going to do this, because we got two prime F-Zero villains for this.