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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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You're not wrong, interest can change over time, it's just I don't any interest in him currently since there other characters I'm more hyped for, but that could change in time, and I'm not outright refusing to acknowledge his potential to able join Smash, so yeah I'll check out some stuff and see what's he's about.
I'd personally recommend Castlevania Symphony of the night it's what most fans regard as the pinnacle of the series Metroidvania type gameplay and soundtrack.

Some of the older titles starring Simon Belmont can be considered a bit dated and overly difficult so maybe not a good starting point. Portrait of ruin is quite good as are most DS and GBA titles.
 

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Heh I knew the crazy screenshot leaks were going to start once the official renders were available for people to photoshop the hell out of.
 

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Seeing all these screenshots suddenly pop in at once is really weird, like for instance:

What the **** is a New Villager?

HAHA Look at Dovakin, that's awful...
..."New Villager" instead of Isabelle? No K.Rool? Master Hand playable?

:?:

...but it's got a terrible render of the Dragonborn, so I like it. This is minimally acceptable.
Also, what is up with those roster pics? Dragonborn? There's just no way :laugh:
Fite me :hulk:

Yeah, I know there's no chance. I just really really want him in.
 

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Well one thing that loz18 did say was that their might be some sort of story mode in the game so the Heroes vs Villains theme might be coming from that.

For a villain roster we have:
:ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultganondorf::ultmewtwo::ultwario::ultkingdedede::ultwolf::ultridley: and possibly K.Rool and maybe Dark Samus as well.

I'd say that would be enough to get a good Heroes vs Villains story going.
Unfortunately, only a few of the characters that you've mentioned would count as true villains.

:ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultganondorf::ultridley:

The others are more portrayed as rivals or anti-heroes.

:ultwario::ultkingdedede::ultwolf:

And one neutral character.

:ultmewtwo:
 

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Unfortunately, only a few of the characters that you've mentioned would count as true villains.

:ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultganondorf::ultridley:

The others are more portrayed as rivals or anti-heroes.

:ultwario::ultkingdedede::ultwolf:

And one neutral character.

:ultmewtwo:
Wario was considered a villain in the Subspace Emissary. I'm sure he's playing with that fact as using them as villain and it's more likely they consider Mewtwo a villain than Dedede at this point.
 

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I never understood people thinking of Mewtwo as a villain.
If we got another Subspace he'd probably be just like Lucario, hanging around alone on some cave or mountain.
I guess purple energy is kind of evil though. :150:
 
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The guy who made it posted the clean version on Reddit, 9 hours ago even:

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/92sd2y/so_i_posted_this_fake_leak_like_an_hour_ago_im/

At least he put in a bit of effort by making original renders, even if they're of varying quality (Elma lol).
Fake Leakers are pretty good at replicating the Smash UI, however the fake character renders not so much. Like you, Elma really stuck out to me even compared to a lot of the others, it just seems off.
 

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It looks incredible I think you did a great job.


There is Saki Amamiya, Phosphora, Kat & Ana they have a good chance of getting in, but Ashley would most likely get in before, or in place of Kat & Ana, who I think would make a good Ice Climbers echoes fighter if they made it in.
Thank you I am humbled :3
 

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Smash isn't canon, and a story mode is not exactly going to have a huge multifaceted story, so there's really no reason for them to be uptight about which ones they can pass off as bad guys, if they need bad guys for a story mode then anyone that can be passed off as one will be a villain. Even if they really do see it as a problem then they can always just come up with reasons for making the anti-heroes bad guys, like have the bad guys tempt Wario with treasure, have Dedede be corrupted for the thousandth time, etc.
 
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I never understood people thinking of Mewtwo as a villain.
If we got another Subspace he'd probably be just like Lucario, hanging around alone on some cave or mountain.
I guess purple energy is kind of evil though. :150:
People tend to think of the 1st Pokemon Movie when they think of Mewtwo, and he was the villain in that movie. He also looks evil, so if someone's unfamilar with Mewtwo, then they could assume that he's a villain. I knew nothing about Pokemon other than a few names when I played Melee for the first time, so I just figured he was a bad guy.

Smash isn't canon, and a story mode is not exactly going to have a huge multifaceted story, so there's really no reason for them to be uptight about which ones they can pass off as bad guys, if they need bad guys for a story mode then anyone that can be passed off as one will be a villain. Even if they really do see it as a problem then they can always just come up with reasons for making the anti-heroes bad guys, like have the bad guys tempt Wario with treasure, have Dedede be corrupted for the thousandth time, etc.
If we're bringing possession into this, let's also throw Robin and Shulk in there.
 

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So if Isabelle is true.

What other popular characters that were assists that are missing?

Isaac? Shadow? Skull Kid? Ashley?

Am I missing anyone? What are these guys chances?
Ok looking threw mii costumes for likely for playable here they are

Heihachi - PAC-man was the whole reason he didn't make it but minor reason was tough to implement his moveset based on Ryu that's probably not as hard now

Lloyd - if heihachi fails

King k rool - by far the most logical and likely of the mii outfits to end up playable at this point

Chrom - just as a Ike echo and sakurai even made a joke about this in palutena guidance on robin

Viridi - besides medusa pretty much the only other missing kid Icarus rep just like bandana dee with kirby

Geno - the second most logical and likely newcomer since sakurai actually wants him and the only character left from the brawl eras most wanted characters and square enix more cooperative with nintendo (just to warn you though it's possible geno could be a semi-echo or echo of mii gunner)

Ashley - very promoted warioware character her and K rool is Japan Ridley and fans somewhat rioted from the assist status in smash 4

Tails - Sonic may be the one and only 3rd party franchise to get more than 1 rep and tails is pretty high request but really shadows probably going to get that spot though

I would have said knuckles but you know he's deconfirmed and all

And for takamaru and knuckles disconfirming the theory the characters who survived the onslaught is more likely to hit playable than the ones who did
 

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I can’t be the only one who thinks people are banking a weeeeeee bit too hard on 3rd Party echo fighters.

Like hey, the kid in me would probably love being able to play as Shadow, but making Lucina an echo of Marth and Shadow an echo of Sonic are two different things.

The communication with SEGA would not only be about “can we make this character as an echo fighter, using Sonic as a base”, and then if told yes, they’d then have to check back with SEGA all the time to make sure it all looked right.

Again, i’d probably be excited for Shadow. I do think it’s a shame the main reason he’s considered a top pick is only because he’d be a clone.

Mind you, to be an echo fighter means little effects on balancing. That’s a basic premise of being an echo fighter. Therefore, if there are any changes to the fighter in terms of any moves they use, they aren’t an echo (unless it’s just a change in properties of the move).

I’m just kind of spitballing and wanted to comment (it’s been a long week for me), but i’ve been reading what’s going on in here. Thanks for keeping me entertained here and there.
 
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Wario was considered a villain in the Subspace Emissary. I'm sure he's playing with that fact as using them as villain and it's more likely they consider Mewtwo a villain than Dedede at this point.
Wario technically isn't a true villain. Wario is more on the lines of being a rival or anti-hero, since even though he's not a nice person, and is a very greedy pig, he does perform heroic actions whenever there's treasure to collect. Likewise, in the Mario spin-offs, Wario often has to work alongside Mario and his friends to defeat Bowser.

And when you think it over, Wario's actions in the Subspace Emissary are more for his own amusement and selfish reasons.
 

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If we did get some kind of league of bad guys, you know who'd make a great leader?
Hades
These topics are always fun.

Ganon would try to run things and then Hades would kindly remind him.

Darling, I'm a god...

He also as the charisma like DIO from jojo.
 
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Pokemon Villains is a bit tricky as Pokemon are repreentatives of entire species.

Mewtwo has been everything from Poke-Frankenstien's monster to misunderstood hero to outright villain and that's not factoring in his trainers if any. And Greninja was both the villain's Pokemon in the first Gen 6 movie and Ash's signature Pokemon for that gen.

And we all remember that Mimikyu debate
 

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Saw some people a few pages back talk about which AT could get promoted and didn't mention Saki. Why do people think he's so unlikely? Yeah, he's obscure, but so is Geno. And before people say that Sakurai has acknowledged Geno's popularity as a character request:

"He rivals just about any main character. There were many requests from users for his inclusion, and he IS pretty cool, so I did what I could to include him." - Sakurai on Saki

To me that seems close to the same tier as the quote people are using as evidence Geno, an equally obscure character, might be in.
 

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You know... I don't think I've heard anybody try to support an argument for Deathborne? I think he'd be a better F-Zero Rep than Black Shadow... He's practically the Satan of the F-Zero Franchise and he also has a great theme as well
 

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Especially R.O.B., he didn’t want to go through the near extinction of his people.
I can’t be the only one who thinks people are banking a weeeeeee bit too hard on 3rd Party echo fighters.

Like hey, the kid in me would probably love being able to play as Shadow, but making Lucina an echo of Marth and Shadow an echo of Sonic are two different things.

The communication with SEGA would not only be about “can we make this character as an echo fighter, using Sonic as a base”, and then if told yes, they’d then have to check back with SEGA all the time to make sure it all looked right.

Again, i’d probably be excited for Shadow. I do think it’s a shame the main reason he’s considered a top pick is only because he’d be a clone.

Mind you, to be an echo fighter means little effects on balancing. That’s a basic premise of being an echo fighter. Therefore, if there are any changes to the fighter in terms of any moves they use, they aren’t an echo (unless it’s just a change in properties of the move).

I’m just kind of spitballing and wanted to comment (it’s been a long week for me), but i’ve been reading what’s going on in here. Thanks for keeping me entertained here and there.
Honestly I just want Shadow or any other Sonic character as a playable character in general, no matter the means
 

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Unfortunately, only a few of the characters that you've mentioned would count as true villains.

:ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultganondorf::ultridley:

The others are more portrayed as rivals or anti-heroes.

:ultwario::ultkingdedede::ultwolf:

And one neutral character.

:ultmewtwo:
Yeah, not all of them can really be considered villains if you wanna go there. However, what I'm saying for the sake of a story mode they could easily count any of those guys as villains for one reason or the other.

If it's just Bowser, Bowser Jr, Ganondorf, and Ridley vs the entire rest of the cast then they're ****ed.
 

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A retro surprise character I just thought of is Retro DK from the original Donkey Kong. It's a weird call back character (G&W, Duck Hunt) that would have some unique move potential like throwing barrels and using the other smaller enemies/hazards from the arcade game. I don't think it'll actually happen by any means, but could be cool.

As for Heroes v Villains speculation, it could just be something like at the end of Classic or Adventure you fight a villain boss if you're a hero character and vice-versa. So Yoshi might fight Bowser Jr, Samus fights Ridley, etc. Characters without heroes/villains would just fight a rando. Don't want to get my hopes up for a full-story mode, as much as I would love that. All that being said, I would definitely love more villains on the roster. Bring on Dark Samus and King K Rool!
 

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It baffles me how people can call Geno logical. Like him all you like, he's the furthest you can get for a "logical" newcomer you can get. There's nothing logical about including irrelevant one off side character not owned by Nintendo from a franchise filled to the brim with potential characters that already has a huge chunk in Smash. It's completely illogical regardless of how popular he is.


And don't forget, people here were certain that Takamaru was going to be in simply because "Sakurai wanted him"
 

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:ultmewtwo::ultwario::ultkingdedede: and :ultwolf: are not true villains, but there's more than enough history in their games to pass off any of them as a villain.


:ultwolf: is probably the worst of the four. He's teamed up with Fox before, but he has a pretty long history as a criminal who kills and destroys.

:ultwario: would be next. Not necessarily evil, but he's not nice either. Very rarely will any of his heroism not involve his own personal dreams of getting rich. He's essentially a jerk who loves money.

:ultkingdedede: is similar to Wario, minus the ridiculous selfishness and crude humor. Can be a glutton at times, but he's gone out of his way to help save Dream Land on multiple occasions, most of which don't involve a personal incentive aside from protecting his home.

:ultmewtwo: even when you include the anime, Mewtwo is not evil. His goals have never been strictly malevolent, and his awful actions are typically done because he genuinely believes he's doing the right thing. Despite this, Game Freak continues to push him as a "final boss" of sorts. Not a villain, but his role as a super powerful and incredibly dangerous Legendary makes him come across as one, even though he should be classified as neutral at worst.


If Sakurai wanted to expand the list of villains, any of these four would do. Maybe not as good as Bowser or Ridley, but they'd work regardless.

It baffles me how people can call Geno logical. Like him all you like, he's the furthest you can get for a "logical" newcomer you can get. There's nothing logical about including irrelevant one off side character not owned by Nintendo from a franchise filled to the brim with potential characters that already has a huge chunk in Smash. It's completely illogical regardless of how popular he is.


And don't forget, people here were certain that Takamaru was going to be in simply because "Sakurai wanted him"
I don't understand it either, but I guess it really doesn't matter how I feel. Clearly a lot of people think he's likely, so I'll try to be reserved with my disapproval and let them support their character.

Even though I don't like Geno, I don't want to see a popular character get ignored either. If he gets in, I'll be disappointed and confused, but at least his inclusion was justified by fan demand.
 
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I think he is in Brawl (or maybe it's because top tier in Brawl is like only 2 characters)

Anyways, that tier list puts my boi close to the middle, which is eh...
Dedede was high tier in Brawl, true, but that was really only because of his ability to abuse chaingrabs.

Plus that Dedede has no Gordo Throw or spiking down aerial so no dice.
Dedede was borderline tier in Brawl and was a very polarizing character; his chain throws and broken bair were able to shutdown the majority of characters below him that the chain throw worked on and couldn't deal with the bair, and he was one of the best characters against a few top/high tiers (namely Snake, Marth, Wario, and Lucario), but then a large amount of top/high tiers that the chain throw didn't work on and could deal with the bair countered him hard (including all of the top 4) while even some mid tiers beat him, making him not solo-viable (leaving Dedede as a pure counterpick character).

If you could go back in time to 2008 Brawl though, where most of those aforementioned top/high tiers that crushed Dedede weren't developed much yet and Snake was about as prominent as Meta Knight. you'll have top tier Dedede then that was considered the #3 character at the time.

Anyway I think people are focusing too much on tier designations for their wishes, a tier list is all relative and all a character's position indicates is how much characters are better and worse than them in competitive play, it doesn't show the gap in abilities and is not necessarily an indictment of how viable the character is. Like a character could still be technically low tier but still viable if the tier gaps are small enough, Smash 4 wasn't truly that way but it trended a lot in that direction, with mid tier and worse mattering a lot less than it did in Melee and Brawl, and I'm certain Ultimate will trend even farther in that direction (especially after all the inevitable patching is done).

For myself I don't care at all what tier my characters end up, I just hope they're competitively viable at top level play and have few if any exceedingly difficult matchups (if anything I would prefer they aren't top 5 or so, I would rather they not get swarmed by the fairweather players looking for an easy top tier).
 

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:ultmewtwo::ultwario::ultkingdedede: and :ultwolf: are not true villains, but there's more than enough history in their games to pass off any of them as a villain.


:ultwolf: is probably the worst of the four. He's teamed up with Fox before, but he has a pretty long history as a criminal who kills and destroys.

:ultwario: would be next. Not necessarily evil, but he's not nice either. Very rarely will any of his heroism not involve his own personal dreams of getting rich. He's essentially a jerk who loves money.

:ultkingdedede: is similar to Wario, minus the ridiculous selfishness and crude humor. Can be a glutton at times, but he's gone out of his way to help save Dream Land on multiple occasions, most of which don't involve a personal incentive aside from protecting his home.

:ultmewtwo: even when you include the anime, Mewtwo is not evil. His goals have never been strictly malevolent, and his awful actions are typically done because he genuinely believes he's doing the right thing. Despite this, Game Freak continues to push him as a "final boss" of sorts. Not a villain, but his role as a super powerful and incredibly dangerous Legendary makes him come across as one, even though he should be classified as neutral at worst.


If Sakurai wanted to expand the list of villains, any of these four would do. Maybe not as good as Bowser or Ridley, but they'd work regardless.



I don't understand it either, but I guess it really doesn't matter how I feel. Clearly a lot of people think he's likely, so I'll try to be reserved with my disapproval and let them support their character.

Even though I don't like Geno, I don't want to see a popular character get ignored either. If he gets in, I'll be disappointed and confused, but at least his inclusion was justified by fan demand.
I mean, Wolf has worked for Andross to try and enslave the Lylat System. Yes he was a mercenary, but still. Dude is pretty fine with supporting a genocidal lunatic. And didnt Dedede try to steal all the food in Dreamland on multiple occasions? He's definitely turned it around but starving your people is pretty villainous too. The point being they're easily justifiable as villains.
 

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:ultmewtwo::ultwario::ultkingdedede: and :ultwolf: are not true villains, but there's more than enough history in their games to pass off any of them as a villain.


:ultwolf: is probably the worst of the four. He's teamed up with Fox before, but he has a pretty long history as a criminal who kills and destroys.

:ultwario: would be next. Not necessarily evil, but he's not nice either. Very rarely will any of his heroism not involve his own personal dreams of getting rich. He's essentially a jerk who loves money.

:ultkingdedede: is similar to Wario, minus the ridiculous selfishness and crude humor. Can be a glutton at times, but he's gone out of his way to help save Dream Land on multiple occasions, most of which don't involve a personal incentive aside from protecting his home.

:ultmewtwo: even when you include the anime, Mewtwo is not evil. His goals have never been strictly malevolent, and his awful actions are typically done because he genuinely believes he's doing the right thing. Despite this, Game Freak continues to push him as a "final boss" of sorts. Not a villain, but his role as a super powerful and incredibly dangerous Legendary makes him come across as one, even though he should be classified as neutral at worst.


If Sakurai wanted to expand the list of villains, any of these four would do. Maybe not as good as Bowser or Ridley, but they'd work regardless.



I don't understand it either, but I guess it really doesn't matter how I feel. Clearly a lot of people think he's likely, so I'll try to be reserved with my disapproval and let them support their character.

Even though I don't like Geno, I don't want to see a popular character get ignored either. If he gets in, I'll be disappointed and confused, but at least his inclusion was justified by fan demand.
The last part of your quote should really, IMO, put things into perspective. The Smash community sometimes has great ideas, while other times (despite the community not knowing it) other times has downright terrible ones.

I think Geno would be really cool, I really do. I think there are a lot of characters would be cool. But as a fanbase, Smash fans have no true concept of what’s likely and what isn’t. We, as a whole, have no concept of the use of percentages, or 3rd party IP usage, or any of that crap.

Geno is considered likely for a few reasons, but even that doesn’t make him a concrete choice because at the end of the day, he’s still a one-off character from an SNES game. He might be popular and has sustained that popularity, Ultimate might be a fan service heavy game, we might have Cloud, etc..., but it doesn’t change who he is inherently.

I wouldn’t take what a majority of the fanbase says too seriously. This website especially tries to latch onto what they think we’re getting in as concrete of a way as they can manage, based on what the majority feels is “likely”.

Enjoy your ideas and don’t let anybody tell you you’re wrong. They may or may not happen, but it’s better than thinking all your ideas will happen and not getting any of them.
 

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Wario technically isn't a true villain. Wario is more on the lines of being a rival or anti-hero, since even though he's not a nice person, and is a very greedy pig, he does perform heroic actions whenever there's treasure to collect. Likewise, in the Mario spin-offs, Wario often has to work alongside Mario and his friends to defeat Bowser.

And when you think it over, Wario's actions in the Subspace Emissary are more for his own amusement and selfish reasons.
In short, he is a wild card. The only allegiance he has is to himself.

You know... I don't think I've heard anybody try to support an argument for Deathborne? I think he'd be a better F-Zero Rep than Black Shadow... He's practically the Satan of the F-Zero Franchise and he also has a great theme as well
Agreed. There still would need someone with more seniority to get in before him though (like Pico or Doc Stewart).
 

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It baffles me how people can call Geno logical. Like him all you like, he's the furthest you can get for a "logical" newcomer you can get. There's nothing logical about including irrelevant one off side character not owned by Nintendo from a franchise filled to the brim with potential characters that already has a huge chunk in Smash. It's completely illogical regardless of how popular he is.


And don't forget, people here were certain that Takamaru was going to be in simply because "Sakurai wanted him"
The difference is takarmu I see obscure while geno he wanted playable since brawl and he said he's perfect

I would probably swap geno for captain toad if that's the case
 

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Pokemon Villains is a bit tricky as Pokemon are repreentatives of entire species.

Mewtwo has been everything from Poke-Frankenstien's monster to misunderstood hero to outright villain and that's not factoring in his trainers if any. And Greninja was both the villain's Pokemon in the first Gen 6 movie and Ash's signature Pokemon for that gen.

And we all remember that Mimikyu debate
I haven't seen Pokemon since I was young but I'm pretty sure there's only one Mewtwo it was created by Team Rocket to be a clone of Mew and Mewtwo learned the error of its ways or something by the end of the film so I don't think it can classify as a villain even in their original appearance.

But most other Pokemon are a species like Greninja just MewTwo is a special case being a clone and and all. So I do think it's a singular character that's consistent across all media forms

Just my 2 cents I could be totally wrong and what I said has long since been somehow retconned
 
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I can’t be the only one who thinks people are banking a weeeeeee bit too hard on 3rd Party echo fighters.

Like hey, the kid in me would probably love being able to play as Shadow, but making Lucina an echo of Marth and Shadow an echo of Sonic are two different things.

The communication with SEGA would not only be about “can we make this character as an echo fighter, using Sonic as a base”, and then if told yes, they’d then have to check back with SEGA all the time to make sure it all looked right.

Again, i’d probably be excited for Shadow. I do think it’s a shame the main reason he’s considered a top pick is only because he’d be a clone.

Mind you, to be an echo fighter means little effects on balancing. That’s a basic premise of being an echo fighter. Therefore, if there are any changes to the fighter in terms of any moves they use, they aren’t an echo (unless it’s just a change in properties of the move).

I’m just kind of spitballing and wanted to comment (it’s been a long week for me), but i’ve been reading what’s going on in here. Thanks for keeping me entertained here and there.
Personally I do want Shadow in this game, but he comes second to Blaze. I just like, how she's from another dimension, her use of Pyrokinesis she has a graceful battle style (ballerina-esque), and has her own Super form just like Sonic and Shadow.
These topics are always fun.

Ganon would try to run things and then Hades would kindly remind him.

Darling, I'm a god...

He also as the charisma like DIO from jojo.
Incredibly powerful, evil, and has class? Nice.
Saw some people a few pages back talk about which AT could get promoted and didn't mention Saki. Why do people think he's so unlikely? Yeah, he's obscure, but so is Geno. And before people say that Sakurai has acknowledged Geno's popularity as a character request:

"He rivals just about any main character. There were many requests from users for his inclusion, and he IS pretty cool, so I did what I could to include him." - Sakurai on Saki

To me that seems close to the same tier as the quote people are using as evidence Geno, an equally obscure character, might be in.
I definitely mentioned Saki for AT promotions along with Lyn and Krystal, who wouldn't want to play as a character with a Gunblade? *Kat says while he also tries to lasso in Squall and Lightning for Smash*
 
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Pokemon Villains is a bit tricky as Pokemon are repreentatives of entire species.

Mewtwo has been everything from Poke-Frankenstien's monster to misunderstood hero to outright villain and that's not factoring in his trainers if any. And Greninja was both the villain's Pokemon in the first Gen 6 movie and Ash's signature Pokemon for that gen.

And we all remember that Mimikyu debate
Pokemon's true villains (In the main series at least) are more so all the evil teams rather than the Pokemon themselves, most iconic would be the Team Rocket organization. Especially for Mewtwo if you count his portrayal in the movie, they are the ones who were trying to turn him into their own machine for glory in the iconic armor I still wish was an actual alt in Smash or at least some other outfit it's had.


Granted he did kill some scientists in the movie as well, so I would still put him as a dangerous entity with no clear motifs before turning good at the end, though not a direct villain and more of a "Boss character" per say in the games.

Something like a Team Rocket Grunt, Giovanni etc would be harder but make a clearer sign for a Pokemon villain.
Something like Meowth (similar to Pikachu, an icon for representing some things in the series but even more because he is the mascot, Pokemon Trainer is the main character of Pokemon but Pikachu was associated a lot with them so he somewhat represented them) could more or less represent it especially if you gave it villain outfits (Team Aqua headband or Guzma shades for Alolan form per say) and gave it Team Rocket nods and even base some things from the anime, such as having Wobbuffet or using Arbok and Weezing (latter are with him in a few main series games) and possibly even have Jessie and James appear a few times as they are some of the most recognizable if not the most recognizable characters associated with the organization, though other Team Rocket characters could work as well.
This is my take, at least.
 
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Couldn't they hypothetically treat Robin as a villain (Grima) for a potential story mode featuring villians? Maybe not for the entire story but at least part of it? Especially if Chrom gets in as an Echo..? Maybe getting a Grima final Smash to replace him? I never finished the game so I'm legitimately asking if that would fit the character.
 

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I never understood people thinking of Mewtwo as a villain.
If we got another Subspace he'd probably be just like Lucario, hanging around alone on some cave or mountain.
I guess purple energy is kind of evil though. :150:
1. The first movie. He plays an antagonistic role, even if misguided.

2. He is the final boss/objective of Gen 1 main line games.

3. He is the final boss of Pokemon Stadium where he once again plays an antagonistic role - he takes over the entire region and you must defeat him.

4. He was included in Melee's last event match alongside Ganondorf and Giga Bowaer.

5. His design, voice, and abilities have a certain villainous vibe.
 
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