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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Enchess

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I definitely mentioned Saki for AT promotions along with Lyn and Krystal, who wouldn't want to play as a character with a Gunblade? *Kat says while he also tries to lasso in Squall and Lightning for Smash*
I'm not sure who made the comment I was referencing. It probably wasn't yours. I've seen multiple times people talk about possible AT promotion and not mention Saki, to my knowledge the only AT that we know for sure was viewed as a highly requested character by Sakurai.
 
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Couldn't they hypothetically treat Robin as a villain (Grima) for a potential story mode featuring villians? Maybe not for the entire story but at least part of it? Especially if Chrom gets in as an Echo..? Maybe getting a Grima final Smash to replace him? I never finished the game so I'm legitimately asking if that would fit the character.
It would be out of character for Robin to willingly surrender to Grima. I'm against Robin having a Grima themed Final Smash for this reason. If Chrom somehow becomes playable, he should be switched out with Morgan or someone else, but don't change it completely. His current Final Smash fits him perfectly. You could make it so that Robin's possessed and it would work alright for a story mode, though.
 
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I haven't been keeping up, we at the point yet where we're acting like no one ever said Isabelle wouldn't work as a fighter? Or do we need a few more days?
Well after Vergeben broke his news we had some people in here arguing the "Isabelle is too peaceful for Smash!" point, but we've also had some people going "oh Isabelle is a safe pick of course a fake leaker would claim her", so we're at about 50/50 right now.

We went literally 7 months from the initial Brawl reveal (May 11,2006 at a behind-closed-doors E3 presentation) to the Fox reveal in Nintendo World during December.

The Smash Dojo itself didn't go live until May 22nd, a full year after the reveal.

I understand impatience/the situation being different given the modern age and all, but I will gladly take a game being revealed the same year it releases for a change, getting footage beforehand of not just one, but ALL of the returning characters (seeing the off-camera footage at demo events sustains me way more than any Dojo/blog posts ever could) and knowing the game will be out by the same time we would get the literal most obvious veteran reveal.
To add, we also had to wait a year to see anything about Brawl after it was announced at E3 2005 (with the first anything of it being revealed at E3 2006), and then with Smash 4 we had to wait two ****ing years to see anything about the game (with it being announced at E3 2011 long before it could even begin development and us finally seeing stuff about it at its reveal at E3 2013). It also took months before Smash 4's POTD regularly had new info (and for the first month it was just all a single random screenshot each day, showing absolutely nothing new), and we had to wait six months before we got another newcomer revealed (with Rosalina revealed on December 18 2013, more time than we're waiting for the game to release). I understand some people will just be impatient, but to claim this Smash's "hype cycle" is so much worse with information deprivation at this point is absurd (even ignoring the megaton of information we got at E3 and all the new information about gameplay we're getting from the frequent demos happening).

Saw some people a few pages back talk about which AT could get promoted and didn't mention Saki. Why do people think he's so unlikely? Yeah, he's obscure, but so is Geno. And before people say that Sakurai has acknowledged Geno's popularity as a character request:

"He rivals just about any main character. There were many requests from users for his inclusion, and he IS pretty cool, so I did what I could to include him." - Sakurai on Saki

To me that seems close to the same tier as the quote people are using as evidence Geno, an equally obscure character, might be in.
Remember that quote about Saki occurred back in 2007 and Saki has fallen into obscurity since then, with his series dormant since 2009/10 and his demand has fallen by the wayside. Geno however, while his demand isn't as huge as it was for Brawl, still has his demand and Sakurai's quote about him occurred near the end of 2015, right before Ultimate's project plan was being devised. Sakurai recognizing a character's popularity right as Ultimate's project plan is being devised means a ton more than him doing so nearly a decade prior. Additionally Sakurai didn't just say Geno was popular, he also outright said he wanted to include Geno as a playable character since Brawl but "it couldn't become a reality" (i.e. probably third party licensing issues), he didn't say anything about wanting to make Saki playable, just he "did what he could to include him" (i.e. he passed over him for the roster but did the next best thing he could do, make him an AT).

That said I do think people are sleeping on Saki a bit in regard to the MIA assist trophies and it is possible he gets promoted to playable, whether because he did better on the Ballot than expected, Sakurai wants to represent new series still (with there being a lot less options this time), and/or Sakurai finally looks beyond the NES for a "retro pick".
 
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RileyXY1

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Just for the record, here are all of the Smash 4 assist trophies who are still MIA:

Ashley
Dark Samus
Devil
Dillon
Elec Man
Infantry and Tanks
Isabelle
Kat & Ana
Magnus
Nightmare
Phosphora
Sable Prince
Saki Amamiya
Shadow the Hedgehog
Skull Kid
Tingle
 

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Yeah I think we’re getting a bit ahead of ourselves with the “drought”. It’s been a little over a month... there’s no reason to think we have a “lack” of information to discuss. Yeah, characters are exciting, but considering we’ve been told there won’t be as many new ones, and we have about 5 months left before this game is out, things will be spaced out accordingly.

Honestly, if we got a new character tonight, the hype train would keep rolling and say “I wonder who could get revealed tomorrow/at the end of the week”. The Smash fanbase is insatiable like that. We’ll be just fine though. We’ll get something eventually, we just have to be patient.
 

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It just hit me on something on captain toad


I thought you guys said captain toad can't jump?
Life is a lie
It would be out of character for Robin to willingly surrender to Grima. I'm against Robin having a Grima themed Final Smash for this reason. If Chrom somehow becomes playable, he should be switched out with Morgan or someone else, but don't change it completely. His current Final Smash fits him perfectly. You could make it so that Robin's possessed and it would work alright for a story mode, though.
lets all make FE Heroes canon so that Female Grima Robin can be in Smash...too hot not to join
 

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lets all make FE Heroes canon so that Female Grima Robin can be in Smash...too hot not to join
For what's worth, Fire Emblem Warriors made Male Robin the default and Female Robin Grima in its history mode
 
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I think the whole discussion of the drought kind of shows how impatient the gaming community has sort of shifted into. The information cycle has gotten shorter over the years.
 

Enchess

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Remember that quote about Saki occurred back in 2007 and Saki has fallen into obscurity since then, with his series dormant since 2009/10 and his demand has fallen by the wayside.
Yeah, I know, but it's worth remembering Saki hadn't been seen since two console generations ago and had already fallen into obscurity at the time of that quote too. I don't think Saki is less relevant or obscure now. Especially since the sequel got a western release.

Geno has also fallen into obscurity. Anyone who says otherwise may be a bit blinded by the Smash echo chamber.

I don't think Saki's chances are strong, but I think they are at least better than most ATs.
 

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The guy who made it posted the clean version on Reddit, 9 hours ago even:

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/92sd2y/so_i_posted_this_fake_leak_like_an_hour_ago_im/

At least he put in a bit of effort by making original renders, even if they're of varying quality (Elma lol).
In case anybody's wondering, he made his fake renders available too at his imgur.

Really well done with them too. Love seeing the Smashified-cartoony-Dovahkiin.


Would have loved to see a K.Rool or Simon from him as well.
 

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Couldn't they hypothetically treat Robin as a villain (Grima) for a potential story mode featuring villians? Maybe not for the entire story but at least part of it? Especially if Chrom gets in as an Echo..? Maybe getting a Grima final Smash to replace him? I never finished the game so I'm legitimately asking if that would fit the character.
It could only work if you use a possession angle. Have Lucina and whoever accompanies her confront a Grima-possessed Robin. Insert boss fight here. Grima is defeated and Robin regains control of his body. Robin joins the battle radda radda. Great idea for a boss fight but I'm not sure as Robin's new Final Smash. Pair Up already fits the theme of Ultimate's Final Smashes being "straight to the punch."
 

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Just for the record, here are all of the Smash 4 assist trophies who are still MIA:

Ashley
Dark Samus
Devil
Dillon
Elec Man
Infantry and Tanks
Isabelle
Kat & Ana
Magnus
Nightmare
Phosphora
Sable Prince
Saki Amamiya
Shadow the Hedgehog
Skull Kid
Tingle
So you're saying Infantry and Tanks confirmed? #HypeTrain
 

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It would be out of character for Robin to willingly surrender to Grima. I'm against Robin having a Grima themed Final Smash for this reason. If Chrom somehow becomes playable, he should be switched out with Morgan or someone else, but don't change it completely. His current Final Smash fits him perfectly. You could make it so that Robin's possessed and it would work alright for a story mode, though.
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It would be out of character and I would also be against it, but it is maybe worth noting that summoning Grima was his super move when he was in Code Name S.T.E.A.M., implying that the FEA team has approved it being used as an attack before... That said, I'd much rather they keep Pair Up (maybe with a few options of partners, with one randomly chosen). It makes more sense as a representation of modern FE mechanically; it's in-character for Robin to do so; and IT'S NOT A GIANT SPOILER FOR HIS BASE GAME (though Shulk's final smash did also become more spoilery).
 
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It would be out of character and I would also be against it, but it is maybe worth noting that summoning Grima was his super move when he was in Code Name S.T.E.A.M., implying that the FEA team has approved it being used as an attack before... That said, I'd much rather they keep Pair Up (maybe with a few options of partners, with one randomly chosen). It makes more sense as a representation of modern FE mechanically; it's in-character for Robin to do so; and IT'S NOT A GIANT SPOILER FOR HIS BASE GAME (though Shulk's final smash did also become more spoilery).
Interesting. I had no idea that attack existed. In regards to Shulk though, his Final Smash could always be way, way more spoilery, they just haven't gone that far yet.
 

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It would be out of character and I would also be against it, but it is maybe worth noting that summoning Grima was his super move when he was in Code Name S.T.E.A.M., implying that the FEA team has approved it being used as an attack before... That said, I'd much rather they keep Pair Up (maybe with a few options of partners, with one randomly chosen). It makes more sense as a representation of modern FE mechanically; it's in-character for Robin to do so; and IT'S NOT A GIANT SPOILER FOR HIS BASE GAME (though Shulk's final smash did also become more spoilery).
Sakurai? Giving a **** about spoilers?

Where have you been for the last 10 years? :V
 

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Just for the record, here are all of the Smash 4 assist trophies who are still MIA:

Ashley
Dark Samus
Devil
Dillon
Elec Man
Infantry and Tanks
Isabelle
Kat & Ana
Magnus
Nightmare
Phosphora
Sable Prince
Saki Amamiya
Shadow the Hedgehog
Skull Kid
Tingle
dang, i can't believe it.

Ashley Dark Samus Shadow Isabelle Sable Skull Kid Saki Tingle Devil finally made it after all his years of hard work.
Squid Sisters will take his former place nicely. :roll:

Interesting. I had no idea that attack existed. In regards to Shulk though, his Final Smash could always be way, way more spoilery, they just haven't gone that far yet.
I never really considered the Xenoblade to be that spoilery outside of Fiora since I only had the 3DS version. After looking at the trophies yeah they straight-up spoiled a solid 85% of it.

At least they keep Dickson a surprise.
 
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I never really considered the Xenoblade to be that spoilery outside of Fiora since I only had the 3DS version. After looking at the trophies yeah they straight-up spoiled a solid 85% of it.

At least they keep Dickson a surprise.
In Smash Ultimate: "You unlocked the Zanza trophy!"
 
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Pray he doesn't get a trophy or two.
If we get any trophies that spoil the last part of the game, I want a Lorithia trophy with the description just being "YOU'LL PAY FOR YOUR INSOLENCE."
 

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If we get any trophies that spoil the last part of the game, I want a Lorithia trophy with the description just being "YOU'LL PAY FOR YOUR INSOLENCE."
Monado III trophy and a trophy for literally every Monado replica
 
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Monado III trophy and a trophy for literally every Monado replica
I just noticed you were able to say "Dickson" just fine. Looks like the censor's got less strict since the pre-Smash 4 era. Dickson used to be known as ****son or Duckson
 

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I just noticed you were able to say "Dickson" just fine. Looks like the censor's got less strict since the pre-Smash 4 era. Dickson used to be known as ****son or Duckson
Actually I noticed there's a lot of ways to get past the censors, but since his name is like an actual name, I guess it passes.

It's a deadass cruel world.
I also want a Melia trophy where it just says "Here lies Melia. She never scored."
 

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The communication with SEGA would not only be about “can we make this character as an echo fighter, using Sonic as a base”, and then if told yes, they’d then have to check back with SEGA all the time to make sure it all looked right.
Isn't this what happens with every third party ever?

I think this is a very ineffective argument, especially when SEGA and Sakurai have been extremely close lately to be able to have proper communications on how Shadow's echo animations should work, should it happen in the beginning or middle of development. The points you make against a Shadow echo are barely obstacles at this point.
 
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Dickson used to be known as ****son or Duckson
You can say "Dickson" but can you refer to a certain town in North Lincolnshire, England with a name that is infamous for being censored?
I'm talking about Scunthorpe.
 

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Yeah, I know, but it's worth remembering Saki hadn't been seen since two console generations ago and had already fallen into obscurity at the time of that quote too. I don't think Saki is less relevant or obscure now. Especially since the sequel got a western release.

Geno has also fallen into obscurity. Anyone who says otherwise may be a bit blinded by the Smash echo chamber.

I don't think Saki's chances are strong, but I think they are at least better than most ATs.
Sin and Punishment was less than five years old when Brawl's roster was decided in July 2005, so he definitely had a claim to some relevancy at the time for Brawl unlike now. And of course Geno is obscure on his own, but he has maintained significant popularity that kept him on the radar, enough so that Sakurai recognized it right before Ultimate's project plan was being devised, which is the big difference between him and Saki.
 

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Sin and Punishment was less than five years old when Brawl's roster was decided in July 2005, so he definitely had a claim to some relevancy at the time for Brawl unlike now. And of course Geno is obscure on his own, but he has maintained significant popularity that kept him on the radar, enough so that Sakurai recognized it right before Ultimate's project plan was being devised, which is the big difference between him and Saki.
What were Sin and Punishment's sales figure like, out of interest? (If anyone knows)
 
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Just for the record, here are all of the Smash 4 assist trophies who are still MIA:

Ashley
Dark Samus
Devil
Dillon
Elec Man
Infantry and Tanks
Isabelle
Kat & Ana
Magnus
Nightmare
Phosphora
Sable Prince
Saki Amamiya
Shadow the Hedgehog
Skull Kid
Tingle
SABLE PRINCE AND INFANTRY MAINS RISE UP.
 

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I’m hearing Lip got disconfirmed yet again due to Lip’s Stick returning as an item. I didn’t see it in the stream yet, has anyone else noticed it?

Also apparently :ultmetaknight: is in the demo this time too?
 
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