Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[wildvine47]

So if Isabelle is true.

What other popular characters that were assists that are missing?

Isaac? Shadow? Skull Kid? Ashley?

Am I missing anyone? What are these guys chances?

Mostly them and the very notable Dark Samus. Dunno about Shadow, as well as Isaac considering he missed the Smash 4 boat entirely, but the other two are probably very worth paying attention to.

 

[Shroob]

Besides the music, right?
Or does it need to be something new besides the new stuff.

The music is good, and basically the only reason I'm even checking the PotD at this point.


Hell, the least they could have done was make the character trailers only available when they featured them.


Why even highlight "Oh, Mario is character of the day! Here's his trailer!" when his trailer has been readily available to watch since the site went live? It's literally just padding for time.


Had the trailers only appeared WHEN the character got featured, that'd be one thing, but this is literally just filler.

 

[Pyra]

The Japanese blog also has occasional extra content from Sakurai.

Just for fun.

 

[Zinith]

The music is good, and basically the only reason I'm even checking the PotD at this point.


Hell, the least they could have done was make the character trailers only available when they featured them.


Why even highlight "Oh, Mario is character of the day! Here's his trailer!" when his trailer has been readily available to watch since the site went live? It's literally just padding for time.


Had the trailers only appeared WHEN the character got featured, that'd be one thing, but this is literally just filler.

I would like to point out that those posts are accompanied by two or three sentences. For some characters (like my boi), that's more info than what they have currently...

 

[RandomAce]

Did everyone at bottom just forget that one accurate leaker (loz18) said that we would be getting a direct in August (I'm willing to bet that it's on the 3rd) and that they would be showing off new modes (I'm also willing to bet that one or two newcomers will be revealed)!

Impa4Smash said August.

We know we’re likely to get one based on that. But seriously, today has been one hell of a day. I don’t want to discuss much anymore.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Isabelle should also have a KK Slider song in her reveal trailer, considering she's a huge fan. I recommend Bubblegum KK since it's spunky like her and I believe it already has a Smash remix.

 

[Shroob]

Did everyone at bottom just forget that one accurate leaker (loz18) said that we would be getting a direct in August (I'm willing to bet that it's on the 3rd) and that they would be showing off new modes (I'm also willing to bet that one or two newcomers will be revealed)!

Honestly, I'll believe it when we get an early warning for a Direct.

Direct date leaks are shaky at best, and it's not unusual for a Nintendo Direct to come every other month, so August would be likely regardless.

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno, I feel as if the ambiguity of information is a much better route this time around. When we knew about Smash 4, we practically knew about everything the game had to offer and was pretty much spoiled JUST by the Pics of the Day. The Master Core boss fight, had they not revealed it, would've been an INSANE experience.

The fact we only have a lick of what the music is this time around, trying to figure out what else could be added stage-wise and character-wise, everything is much more planned out in a better sense for Ultimate. If they have a small direct, though, I do hope they still lay off some info.

 

[TheDukeofDorks]

Has anyone posted the Bandana Dee + Rayman leak yet? @tehponycorn

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The leaker claims that Bandana Dee and Rayman will be revealed at EVO. Thread link: http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/425832663

I doubt it's real but this looks a lot better than most of the previous leaks, if it's a fake (which it probably is, let's be real) then it's a pretty good fake. Not believing anything until we get videos though.

From later on in the thread:

 

[Impa4Smash]

Honestly, I'll believe it when we get an early warning for a Direct.

Direct date leaks are shaky at best, and it's not unusual for a Nintendo Direct to come every other month, so August would be likely regardless.

Yes, regardless of the blog, it's probably smart from a business stand-point to keep the hype train going, and just drop a character reveal every so often - even if it is just every other month or so

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

This is the first Smash hype cycle I've actively been a part of, and it wouldn't be nearly as killer if I hadn't moved for an internship and had almost nothing to do in my free time but have Smash on the brain. Honestly, the fact it's only going to be a total of 6 months, with at least SOME kind of information throughout, really puts into perspective for me how bad it must have been waiting for info on Brawl. August really does seem like the prime time to release information though, followed up by possibly something in October. 2 months between reveal and each update until release.

But for real though, the blog needs to get its **** together and actually provide updates. Even at their most memetic the Miiverse posts provided information of some kind, but in 6 and a half weeks all we've gotten from the blog is a few songs. Music is nice and all, but they're wasting considerable amounts of time just talking about content that was already showcased in the presentation or available in the demo build. As said by others, some Assists or Pokeballs would be nice, heck, actually introduce the Odyssey stage. It's not killing my hype per se, but it for sure is putting all the momentum of 'Everyone Is Here!' on ice, it's a fantastic starting point that could be built upon with at least one new thing each week.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

More reason to use Bubblegum KK for Isabelle's reveal trailer:

 

[Idon]

I want a character disconfirmation that is as scathing as Waluigi's.

"Just because you try hard, doesn't mean you'll make it into Smash"

 

[Noipoi]

So if Isabelle is true.

What other popular characters that were assists that are missing?

Isaac? Shadow? Skull Kid? Ashley?

Am I missing anyone? What are these guys chances?

No bias, Ashley has a really good chance this time. She's popular, she's got moveset potential, she's decently requested, she's relavent, I see it happening.

Shadow I feel has alright chances normally, but bigger chances as an echo. i really don't wanna start another Shadow discussion so I won't go into it, I just think it'd be easy to copy animations from Sonic.

Isaac doesn't have huge chances in my opinion, but he could get in. His Smash fanbase isn't as big and loud as Geno's or K Rool's but the people that want him really want him. It's not a big one, but there's always a chance.

Skull Kid I don't see happening unfortunately. i mean it could but I think he's more suited as an Assist, sorry.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

So if Isabelle is true.

What other popular characters that were assists that are missing?

Isaac? Shadow? Skull Kid? Ashley?

Am I missing anyone? What are these guys chances?

Tingle too. Namely, his different design. Toon Tingle and Majora Mask's Tingle don't seem to be related bar being based upon the same guy. But to be fair, the toon variant has been seen in Hyrule and other areas, while the original variant was only seen in Termina, but never in any canon game outside of it.

Might not mean anything, though. However, we do have Duck Hunt playable while you can directly interact with the Dog in the Duck Hunt stage, so Great Bay being playable isn't exactly a knock against Tingle himself. One point people have brought up is that the Dog was not 3D, which is also a good point too.

Besides that, uh... I can't think of any notable AT's either.

Oh, derp, Dark Samus too. XD

 

[Blargg888]

Mah boi Roy is top tier?

**** yeah *******

Except shouldn't Mewtwo, Wolf, and Zelda move up a bit higher?

I designated Mewtwo as while because its body is mostly white. It could theoretically be put with Ridley and Cloud due to its purple tail, but I feel like it's fine where it is. Same with Zelda. Her dress is mostly white, so she's in white.

As for Wolf, I designated him as gray for the sake of consistency. It's true that his jacket is purple, but I used Fox and Falco's body colors in order to designate their placements, so I figured I would do the same with Wolf, which is why he's in the grey tier.

 

[Zinith]

This is the first Smash hype cycle I've actively been a part of, and it wouldn't be nearly as killer if I hadn't moved for an internship and had almost nothing to do in my free time but have Smash on the brain. Honestly, the fact it's only going to be a total of 6 months, with at least SOME kind of information throughout, really puts into perspective for me how bad it must have been waiting for info on Brawl. August really does seem like the prime time to release information though, followed up by possibly something in October. 2 months between reveal and each update until release.

But for real though, the blog needs to get its **** together and actually provide updates. Even at their most memetic the Miiverse posts provided information of some kind, but in 6 and a half weeks all we've gotten from the blog is a few songs. Music is nice and all, but they're wasting considerable amounts of time just talking about content that was already showcased in the presentation or available in the demo build. As said by others, some Assists or Pokeballs would be nice, heck, actually introduce the Odyssey stage. It's not killing my hype per se, but it for sure is putting all the momentum of 'Everyone Is Here!' on ice, it's a fantastic starting point that could be built upon with at least one new thing each week.

I wasn't a part of the Smash community during Smash 4, but I was around for it and boy oh boy was it something...

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Especially if you were a Yoshi main who had to wait 10 ****ing months after the other OG 8 were revealed

 

[AndreaAC]

From later on in the thread:

Wow, they REALLY didn't even tried there. Even the Cresh leak looked way more convincing than this.

 

[Will]

Seeing all these screenshots suddenly pop in at once is really weird, like for instance:

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What the **** is a New Villager?

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I wasn't a part of the Smash community during Smash 4, but I was around for it and boy oh boy was it something...

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Especially if you were a Yoshi main who had to wait 10 ****ing months after the other OG 8 were revealed

I go so bad that I was legit worried he was gonna get shafted to the AT role.

Seriously, why was Yoshi ALWAYS the last of the original 8 to be revealed!?

 

[Noipoi]

Seeing all these screenshots suddenly pop in at once is really weird, like for instance:

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What the **** is a New Villager?

Master Hand
You're kidding right? Did they even try?

 

[Shroob]

Seeing all these screenshots suddenly pop in at once is really weird, like for instance:

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What the **** is a New Villager?

Is it wrong I have no idea who that is next to Ridley and the girl next to Elma?

 

[Will]

Is it wrong I have no idea who that is next to Ridley and the girl next to Elma?

Tibby is from Rhythm Heaven. Arle is from Puyo Puyo + Tetris

Master Hand
You're kidding right? Did they even try?

Dixie Kong doesn't even look like they were made by the same CG artist who did Diddy Kong's render.

 

[Noipoi]

Is it wrong I have no idea who that is next to Ridley and the girl next to Elma?

The pink thing next to Ridley is Tibby, a character from Rhythm Heaven.
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[Zinith]

I go so bad that I was legit worried he was gonna get shafted to the AT role.

Seriously, why was Yoshi ALWAYS the last of the original 8 to be revealed!?

In Melee, all 8 were in the E3 2001 trailer and FOX was last. In Brawl, 5 of the 8 were in the E3 2006 trailer, Fox was revealed later in the year and both Donkey Kong and Yoshi were among the first characters shown off in the DOJO. You know about the situation with Smash 4. But in the "Everyone is Here" trailer, the OG 8 were towards the beginning EXCEPT for Yoshi (and he wasn't in the demo).

Meh, it's frustrating but I hope they're holding him off for a damn good reason!!!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Seeing all these screenshots suddenly pop in at once is really weird, like for instance:

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What the **** is a New Villager?

This is by far the best fake leak yet.

That said I think it's fake...

Even if I can't actually figure out where these renders came from.

 

[vaanrose]

Tingle too. Namely, his different design. Toon Tingle and Majora Mask's Tingle don't seem to be related bar being based upon the same guy. But to be fair, the toon variant has been seen in Hyrule and other areas, while the original variant was only seen in Termina, but never in any canon game outside of it.

Might not mean anything, though. However, we do have Duck Hunt playable while you can directly interact with the Dog in the Duck Hunt stage, so Great Bay being playable isn't exactly a knock against Tingle himself. One point people have brought up is that the Dog was not 3D, which is also a good point too.

Besides that, uh... I can't think of any notable AT's either.

Oh, derp, Dark Samus too. XD

I dunno, it's just really weird to me that Conductor Link disappears when Adult Link is on the Spirit Tracks stage. I feel like that sets precedence for MM Tingle and WW Tingle being regarded as the same character, even considering Sprite Duck Hunt Dog and Sprite DK.

 

[Zerp]

Seeing all these screenshots suddenly pop in at once is really weird, like for instance:

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What the **** is a New Villager?

I like how it says "Order by series" yet it's ordered by number.

 

[Deleted member]

Seeing all these screenshots suddenly pop in at once is really weird, like for instance:

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What the **** is a New Villager?

First off, I freaking wish for Raiden. Second off, NO WAY Raiden would be in without his Metal Gear Rising design.
We need that RULES OF NATUREEEEEEEEEEEE after all.

 

[Shroob]

I dunno, it's just really weird to me that Conductor Link disappears when Adult Link is on the stage. I feel like that sets precedence for MM Tingle and WW Tingle being regarded as the same character, even considering Sprite Duck Hunt Dog and Sprite DK.

I mean, it makes sense why.

Conductor Toon Link, despite wearing different clothes, could easily be mistaken as the real Toon Link in a fast paced match.


No one can really confuse our Duck Hunt Duo with the GIANT 8 BIT Duck Hunt Dog.

 

[NextChannelGames]

I go so bad that I was legit worried he was gonna get shafted to the AT role.

Seriously, why was Yoshi ALWAYS the last of the original 8 to be revealed!?

Oh yea, Yoshi wasn’t shown till the 50 things Direct. Man, that was a crazy time...

 

[Impa4Smash]

Seeing all these screenshots suddenly pop in at once is really weird, like for instance:

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What the **** is a New Villager?

Maybe the weirdly tall Villagers from New Leaf lol

 

[Zinith]

Oh yea, Yoshi wasn’t shown till the 50 things Direct. Man, that was a crazy time...

Actually it was the April 2014 Direct, and he was the only non-DLC veteran to get a tagline that wasn't part of a transformation. The 50-Fact Extravaganza was in October

 

[vaanrose]

I mean, it makes sense why.

Conductor Toon Link, despite wearing different clothes, could easily be mistaken as the real Toon Link in a fast paced match.


No one can really confuse our Duck Hunt Duo with the GIANT 8 BIT Duck Hunt Dog.

But I was saying Conductor Toon Link disappears even when it's Adult Link that's on the stage.

 

[Pakky]

Seeing all these screenshots suddenly pop in at once is really weird, like for instance:

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What the **** is a New Villager?

Shadow is pissed...

Also New Villager, what in the Samhill is that?

Like just sidestep Isabelle for the exact same thing?

I mean there's tone death and then there's this...

Also Raiden...

Also, what did they do to Elma?

Decidueye looks like a painting and not a render.

HAHA Look at Dovakin, that's awful...

 

[Shroob]

But I was saying Conductor Toon Link disappears even when it's Adult Link that's on the stage.

Now that I didn't know.

 

[Idon]

Wish someone would just take screenshots for once in their lifetime instead of these slightly skewed motion blurred images.

Though I guess for shaking off source seekers, that's the point.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

That arle and shadow render are really bad. A professional made one shouldn't look that bad

 

[Zinith]

Also I don't think Raiden would ever go back to being just a stand-in for Snake. He'd be cyborg ninja Raiden

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean, it makes sense why.

Conductor Toon Link, despite wearing different clothes, could easily be mistaken as the real Toon Link in a fast paced match.


No one can really confuse our Duck Hunt Duo with the GIANT 8 BIT Duck Hunt Dog.

Pretty sure that's his point?

I dunno, it's just really weird to me that Conductor Link disappears when Adult Link is on the Spirit Tracks stage. I feel like that sets precedence for MM Tingle and WW Tingle being regarded as the same character, even considering Sprite Duck Hunt Dog and Sprite DK.

I do agree to a point. And that's why I think the sprite/model argument is a good one. If Tingle is playable, I do believe he would get his model removed from the stage too. To what, I dunno. Deku Link? Another Alfonzo joke?

Also, sprite DK isn't the same DK in Smash anyway. It's supposed to be Crnaky Kong's younger form. Either way, it doesn't much matter. Even if they're different Tingles(which they probably are), it's the same recognizable character anyway. See: Twilight Prince and OOT Link. It's the same overall recognizable guy. But that means jack-all. What it means at best is he could have one version of Tingle playable because he's a different person, but I still think he wouldn't leave Great Bay as normal for the reasons you gave.