Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Omega Tyrant]

Diddy Kong and Yoshi still battled within their own series and games. Even Zelda did. Isabelle has never fought at all. Her Assist Role is pacifist-based, not fighter-based.

That's why the analogy fails hard. Isabelle is not a fighter by personality. She never was. She could still get into Smash, but no Smash character currently has a personality that implies that would never legit battle someone at all. Either they lack enough of a defining personality to avoid that or would battle within their own series just fine. This cannot be applied to Isabelle. She perfectly fits the AT role due to this, as it fits who she is significantly better.

Not that she can't be an interesting character(especially if she's not an Echo), but there's enough of a good reason to keep her as an AT as well. Both are valid ideas for her.

I fondly remember when Villager took his town's crime problem into his own hands and prowled the streets to beat up some thugs.

But anyway ATs are there to give notable/popular characters an active ingame role who couldn't make the playable roster for whatever reason, not because an assist role is what "fits" them, people claiming Isabelle won't be in because she "fits" being an AT are going backwards in the character selection process.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Alright I have to ask, is anyone here legitimately disappointed Daisy is now in Smash? Because I'm seeing a lot less hate against her than I thought I would.

I’m mildly disappointed. She offers nothing interesting and isn’t a very important characte.

Honestly though, I don’t care that much. She’s one of many fighters, and maybe she’ll have some surprises up her sleeve.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Not only can you play as Diddy in DKC1, if you're good enough, you can play as Diddy exclusively the moment you get to the first DK barrel and never have to use DK again. You can't say that about Yoshi in SMW.

Part of that ordeal has to do with the fact that you can't take Yoshi inside ghost houses and castles. However, that was mostly a programming issue, since you apparently can't enter doors while riding on Yoshi; this dilemma also occurs in New Super Mario Bros. Wii.

 

[Deleted member]

If Isabelle gets in, no harm no foul, I'd say. I mean, you literally whack her in the back of the head with a boomerang in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, so I don't see any problem with seeing her get dragged across the floor. Speaking of Animal Crossing, though, can we PLEASE get a stage that isn't Smashville 3.0?

 

[KMDP]

I think you’re forgetting something crucial.

The thing about "Daisy" in the Super Mario Bros. movie is that she's obviously supposed to be Peach. The screenwriters probably researched Super Mario Bros. 1 and Super Mario Land 1 and thought "Princess Toadstool" and "Princess Daisy" were the same character.

Just be thankful her middle name wasn't "Pauline" or "Lady". XD (As in: "Daisy Pauline Toadstool")

 

[cmbsfm]

Also didn’t Vergeben say he wasn’t gonna leak any more following Sakurai’s statement?

He did. In fact, there’s one more character he knows about that he’s not leaking due to not being 100 percent confident about it.

He did say this on Reddit:

I get bombarded by the Smash community regularly. I figured this would be a good way to get people off my back and also point them in the right direction.
It's a double edge sword tho because it's only going to make fake leaks that want to be taken seriously to slot both of them in and go wild with filling in the blanks. But whatever. The Smash fanbase loves debating over what's real and what is fake. You people give clearly bull**** leaks too much attention as is. I'm at least pointing you in the right direction since you've even given lists lacking Simon the time of day. This was my way to tell people to stop doing that and considering clearly bull**** leaks.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I fondly remember when Villager took his town's crime problem into his own hands and prowled the streets to beat up some thugs.

But anyway ATs are there to give notable/popular characters an active ingame role who couldn't make the playable roster for whatever reason, not because an assist role is what "fits" them, people claiming Isabelle won't be in because she "fits" being an AT are going backwards in the character selection process.

I don't remember Villager having a personality to begin with. That's the point. He can attack other characters if the player wants them to. The Net is a thing.

Again, he cannot be compared to Isabelle as there is no established personality no matter how you slice it.

Fair point on the AT thing, though. But I still stand it's the best position for her to be.

Also am safely ignoring any idea that her being in other games matter, as they don't reflect her personality at all. If it isn't an Animal Crossing game, it's 100% irrelevant to her characterization. It's the reason I think the Mario Kart 8 arguments are terrible. Sakurai likes to actually care about a character's personality. He's not going to care about some appearance in a game outside of the series when it comes to looking at their official personality, and for good reasons. It'd be inaccurate to who he's researching. She's going to only get in on her own merits in the Animal Crossing series, not some Mario Kart appearance that doesn't even reflect who she is at all.

 

[Zerp]

would goku be a top tier or low tier?
if goku was in ultimate
i think mid tier because if he gets in the game and is top tier, he would get nerfed to high-mid tier

There's no way of knowing without him being in the game, it completely depends on how they balance him, same goes for every other character.

My stance on Isabelle and the case with any character that isn't seen as a "fighter" as long as their moveset reflects the character and their personality, they can fit right in.

Anways, has anyone here talked about the Loz18 guy at all or am I late?

I don't believe so, I haven't ever heard of Loz18 before.

 

[RandomAce]

Yet other named leaker who also got several things wrong in the past don't get trashed as him.
I never seen someone calling Liam Robertson a fraud after he said that Shovel Knight was in Smash and the Ballot Winner, or when the Star Fox Racing game wasn't announced at E3.
Heck, even ArtsiOmni didn't get as mush hate after his Rayman leak he did just to show how great he is a drawing.

Vergeben is getting trashed almost everyday because of "fake leaks" from the past, but people ignore that so far he isn't wrong about Smash, and he also got things for other games right in the past (namely Base Goku and Vegeta in FighterZ before the game came out, or that Undertale would come out on the Switch before GameMaker 2 was supported).
He might have got false info in the past, but many other leaders did, so the hate is really misplaced IMO. His leaks shouldn't be taken as the truth for now, but he has some credibility, especially in regards of Smash.

I've seen people calling his leak "lucky guesses" and that Snake and Ridley were safe bets, when they really weren't (especially the Snake one baffles me because even in our Rate That Character he placed low on chance because of everyone bashing Konami, and other says he piggybacked the imgur leak which was fake, and also had Wolf who was a lot safer than Snake).
I understand that some people might not want to believe everything he said due to his past, and I'm one of them, but he doesn't deserve to be hated as a liar because he isn't, since he has got real info in the past unlike another fake leaker that is indeed a liar *coff coff Marcus Sellars coff coff*

The thing I don’t like with most leakers, and Vergeben is the fact that he spoils information that would’ve been hyped and unexpected.

This is why I was happy that some parts of Gematsu weren’t true, because now we can look forward and still have hope for unexpected characters instead of treating it like a gospel and just spoil the fun of predicting and hoping for characters.

Imagine if Vergeben didn’t leak Ridley or Snake, or Simon. To be real, Ridley and Snake were hype because it was unexpected and actually became true without any information backing it. But what about Simon? Simon was supposed to be a potential surprise reveal, but now he’s just an expected character that people are going to go “Okay” because the shock is gone.

And Vergeben says to “thank him” later?

No! NO! What is there thank him for spoiling something that Sakurai and his team worked hard for to surprise so many fans of Castlevania and Simon to be dissipated by someone’s petty sence of self satisfaction, just so people treat him like the all mighty? At least with gematsu it was called that because the dude was anonymous so everyone used the name of the site, but Vergeben is using his name for a leak so everyone can go around him.

That is why I give him hate, or any leaker for that matter. But that phrasing to “Thank him later” is when I really started getting mad. No leaker says to thank them or treat them like a wholy grail, they just spout information and sometimes it gets wrong and allows for some hope. Vergeben is doing this for the fame, and is spoiling a reveal that Sakurai would’ve wanted people to get hyped for to dissipate just for him.

And I don’t think we should be supporting leakers, especially not Vergeben. It’s probably my fault for coming to Smash Boards and learning about this information, but it goes around fast, there’s no running from it.

EDIT: Sorry for the rant, but I just can’t anymore, Nonno Umby to say someone doesn’t deserve hate for spoiling something Sakurai worked so hard crosses the line.

 

[Will]

It's almost August 2018, people still actually believe Verg?

What a world.

 

[blazefan519]

I don't believe so, I haven't ever heard of Loz18 before.

Oh okay then good. I just recently saw Source Gaming's video about them and apparently he was able to correctly leak the direct info so he might have insider information. He also leaked some other stuff like there being an August direct and old and new game modes. Just wanted to hear everyone's thought about ti.

 

[Pakky]

The thing I don’t like with most leakers, and Vergeben is the fact that he spoils information that would’ve been hyped and unexpected.

This is why I was happy that some parts of Gematsu weren’t true, because now we can look forward and still have hope for unexpected characters instead of treating it like a gospel and just spoil the fun of predicting and hoping for characters.

Imagine if Vergeben didn’t leak Ridley or Snake, or Simon. To be real, Ridley and Snake were hype because it was unexpected and actually became true without any information backing it. But what about Simon? Simon was supposed to be a potential surprise reveal, but now he’s just an expected character that people are going to go “Okay” because the shock is gone.

And Vergeben says to “thank him” later?

No! NO! What is there thank him for spoiling something that Sakurai and his team worked hard for to surprise so many fans of Castlevania and Simon to be dissipated by someone’s petty self of satisfaction, just so people treat him like the all mighty? At least with gematsu it was called that because the dude was anonymous so everyone used the name of the site, but Vergeben is using his name for a leak so everyone can go around him.

That is why I give him hate, or any leaker for that matter. But that phrasing to “Thank him later” is when I really started getting mad. No leaker says them to thank them or treat them like a wholy grail, they just spout information and sometimes it gets wrong and allows for some hope. Vergeben is doing this for the fame, and is spoiling a reveal that Sakurai would’ve wanted people to get hyped for to dissipate just for him.

And I don’t think we should be supporting leakers, especially not Vergeben. It’s probably my fault for coming to Smash Boards and learning about this information, but it goes around fast, there’s no running from it.

EDIT: Sorry for the rant, but I just can’t anymore.

I would object however you are right.

matter-of-fact attitudes aren't the best to have especially when you're actively ruining someone's work.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Saying "Isabelle is too pacifistic" sounds an awful lot like "Ridley is too big". The argument makes sense, but then you realize its Smash and nothing in it makes any semblence of sense. Why are Snake and Samus duking it out with Jigglypuff and Diddy Kong? Who knows? Who cares?

Honestly I don't expect Isabelle as an original newcomer mostly because she probably wouldn't bring much new to the table. That doesn't mean she won't, but it's still not all that likely. In all likelyhood she'll remain an assist, but I've been wrong plenty of times before.

 

[Opossum]

At what point has Roalina made it clear she would never ever battle someone? Where is her personality that implies that? I'm curios, because I don't remember that whatsoever. I just remember her telling an interesting story. I don't remember her explicitly refusing to battle.

Characters come in 3 categories; would battle, won't battle, doesn't really say either way. Isabelle falls under the 2nd category in her own games(no, I don't count cameos/playable in non-Animal Crossing games as they do not reflect anything she does in canon). From what I remember of Rosalina, she falls under the 3rd category "doesn't really say either way". Besides that, she does do stuff like that via the spin-offs, which unlike some series, the Mario spin-offs all happen according to MIyamoto. Meaning she would have no issues battling like the rest of the Mario cast. It's not clear if any member of the Mario cast was ever pacifistic due to the nature of the series having everyone as "actors" so to speak.


Nope. Villager doesn't have a personality that says "I would never battle." He doesn't have one, period. He's a blank-slate character. Sakurai's statement was that series was too peaceful, not Villager himself. He changed his mind and applied a semi-violent personality to a blank slate character.

When she sends Mario to gather the power stars, it shows her in a more passive light. Add in her motherly personality toward the Lumas and it only strengthens that.



When the roster was decided the only spin off she was in was Mario Kart. And if that's enough for her, it's enough for Isabelle, considering she was also in Mario Kart. Not so much of a pacifist if she's blowing up Baby Mario with a bomb, is she?

 

[CrusherMania1592]

It's almost August 2018, people still actually believe Verg?

What a world.

Verg is one of the few leakers that actually gave out some solid information, but I don't believe him 100% because there's too many people claiming they have "accurate information"


Like ***** please, I'd rather see from Nintendo myself.

 

[SonicMario]

Alright I have to ask, is anyone here legitimately disappointed Daisy is now in Smash? Because I'm seeing a lot less hate against her than I thought I would.

Two words: Echo fighters

Daisy's inclusion is on an entirely different criteria then the regular fighters. Not saying that Daisy wouldn't have some merit as a Mario spin-off rep if they decided to pass over Waluigi. But with the focus of this game bringing literally every veteran back plus some longtime fan favorite inclusions like Ridley and whichever characters did very well in the Ballot. Daisy would have a very hard time finding room to get in any other way when there's still other potential Mario newcomers (That could potentially still get in, Daisy being an Echo fighter doesn't automatically discount them after all) like Captain Toad and/or Paper Mario.

Even if someone dislikes Daisy alot (And that can be easy when they're annoyed by some of her more obsessive fans), the Echo Fighter label makes it a much lighter blow since gameplay wise she's not going to be much different from Peach. And doesn't take necessarily anyone's spot. Even if there's no more Mario newcomers incoming it wouldn't necessarily just be because they picked Daisy as an easy out. It would be they still provided at least a bonus for Mario fans while putting more priority on other franchises.

I think there's still a good chance we get more Mario characters in this game whether it be Captain Toad or Paper Mario. Or if subseries count K. Rool, Dixie Kong, and/or Ashley. And of course special cases like Geno that are half 3rd party.

 

[Will]

Not so much of a pacifist if she's blowing up Baby Mario with a bomb, is she?

Dude have you played Partners in Time?
Baby Mario will **** you up

 

[Dandelionel]

My stance on Isabelle and the case with any character that isn't seen as a "fighter" as long as their moveset reflects the character and their personality, they can fit right in.

Anways, has anyone here talked about the Loz18 guy at all or am I late?

I don't know if he has been talked here but I will say something. Everything that that guy has leaked has been proven true. I was in the topic when he revealed a few days prior to the E3 that every character in the series would come back, and that Zelda's design was based in ALBTW. He also leaked Inkling's entire moveset and a few more things that I don't remember but ended up being true.

Also there are rumors that he made in gamefqs a topic about how Daisy and Ridley were the E3 2018 newcomers but that topic was flagged as troll since those two characters were big memes there.

Aaaaand he has leaked something else about a nintendo direct in August that I can't find but I will edit my message if I find it.

 

[Deleted member]

Still think having a fighter who has shown to flinch when combat is even remotely occuring near them IN SMASH ITSELF and whose main characteristic is being the plucky support that does whatever she can to help others is a terrible idea and all counters I've heard come off as half-baked and desperation to prove the character they like should be a fighter.

But if Verge is right and Isabelle does end up in the game as a fighter, whatever.
Still wouldn't change my mind about her being a terrible concept for a fighter, but it's not like anything can be done about her being there at that point. At least people that wanted to see their little helpful shih tzu be forced out of her comfort zone for the sake of being able to play as her got what they wanted, I guess. -shrug-

 

[KMDP]

The thing I don’t like with most leakers, and Vergeben is the fact that he spoils information that would’ve been hyped and unexpected.

This is why I was happy that some parts of Gematsu weren’t true, because now we can look forward and still have hope for unexpected characters instead of treating it like a gospel and just spoil the fun of predicting and hoping for characters.

Imagine if Vergeben didn’t leak Ridley or Snake, or Simon. To be real, Ridley and Snake were hype because it was unexpected and actually became true without any information backing it. But what about Simon? Simon was supposed to be a potential surprise reveal, but now he’s just an expected character that people are going to go “Okay” because the shock is gone.

And Vergeben says to “thank him” later?

No! NO! What is there thank him for spoiling something that Sakurai and his team worked hard for to surprise so many fans of Castlevania and Simon to be dissipated by someone’s petty self of satisfaction, just so people treat him like the all mighty? At least with gematsu it was called that because the dude was anonymous so everyone used the name of the site, but Vergeben is using his name for a leak so everyone can go around him.

That is why I give him hate, or any leaker for that matter. But that phrasing to “Thank him later” is when I really started getting mad. No leaker says to thank them or treat them like a wholy grail, they just spout information and sometimes it gets wrong and allows for some hope. Vergeben is doing this for the fame, and is spoiling a reveal that Sakurai would’ve wanted people to get hyped for to dissipate just for him.

And I don’t think we should be supporting leakers, especially not Vergeben. It’s probably my fault for coming to Smash Boards and learning about this information, but it goes around fast, there’s no running from it.

EDIT: Sorry for the rant, but I just can’t anymore, Nonno Umby to say someone doesn’t deserve hate for spoiling something Sakurai worked so hard crosses the line.

I would object however you are right.

matter-of-fact attitudes aren't the best to have especially when you're actively ruining someone's work.

I hadn't actually thought of things that way. But you're right, RandomAce .

 

[blazefan519]

I don't know if he has been talked here but I will say something. Everything that that guy has leaked has been proven true. I was in the topic when he revealed a few days prior to the E3 that every character in the series would come back, and that Zelda's design was based in ALBTW. He also leaked Inkling's entire moveset and a few more things that I don't remember but ended up being true.

Also there are rumors that he made in gamefqs a topic about how Daisy and Ridley were the E3 2018 newcomers but that topic was flagged as troll since those two characters were big memes there.

Aaaaand he has leaked something else about a nintendo direct in August that I can't find but I will edit my message if I find it.

Yep I saw it over at Source Gaming. I thought he'd be in the "credible" leakers category but everyone just seems to focus on Verg and I just wanted to know why I didn't see Loz at all.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

Oh okay then good. I just recently saw Source Gaming's video about them and apparently he was able to correctly leak the direct info so he might have insider information. He also leaked some other stuff like there being an August direct and old and new game modes. Just wanted to hear everyone's thought about ti.

Woah, just checked it out and maybe this guy is on to something!

papagenos you should do a video on LoZ18.

 

[Deleted member]

The thing I don’t like with most leakers, and Vergeben is the fact that he spoils information that would’ve been hyped and unexpected.

This is why I was happy that some parts of Gematsu weren’t true, because now we can look forward and still have hope for unexpected characters instead of treating it like a gospel and just spoil the fun of predicting and hoping for characters.

Imagine if Vergeben didn’t leak Ridley or Snake, or Simon. To be real, Ridley and Snake were hype because it was unexpected and actually became true without any information backing it. But what about Simon? Simon was supposed to be a potential surprise reveal, but now he’s just an expected character that people are going to go “Okay” because the shock is gone.

And Vergeben says to “thank him” later?

No! NO! What is there thank him for spoiling something that Sakurai and his team worked hard for to surprise so many fans of Castlevania and Simon to be dissipated by someone’s petty self of satisfaction, just so people treat him like the all mighty? At least with gematsu it was called that because the dude was anonymous so everyone used the name of the site, but Vergeben is using his name for a leak so everyone can go around him.

That is why I give him hate, or any leaker for that matter. But that phrasing to “Thank him later” is when I really started getting mad. No leaker says to thank them or treat them like a wholy grail, they just spout information and sometimes it gets wrong and allows for some hope. Vergeben is doing this for the fame, and is spoiling a reveal that Sakurai would’ve wanted people to get hyped for to dissipate just for him.

And I don’t think we should be supporting leakers, especially not Vergeben. It’s probably my fault for coming to Smash Boards and learning about this information, but it goes around fast, there’s no running from it.

EDIT: Sorry for the rant, but I just can’t anymore, Nonno Umby to say someone doesn’t deserve hate for spoiling something Sakurai worked so hard crosses the line.

Finally, someone said it. This is my exact problem with these people. I still remember Laura Kate Dale expecting praise when she leaked out Mario + Rabbids. (I think I remember her also expecting credit for it when she tweeted at Grant Kirkhope. Like, seriously? Do you have THAT much disrespect?)

These leakers expect a "thank you" every time they try and get information, when we're just trying to enjoy the hype train and get surprised.
Glad that Sakurai dragged all these pathetic party-poopers.

 

[Cosmic77]

Alright I have to ask, is anyone here legitimately disappointed Daisy is now in Smash? Because I'm seeing a lot less hate against her than I thought I would.

I genuinely wanted Daisy in Smash, but a combination of Memoryman's bad rep and the Waluigi supporters kept me quiet.

Even though a lot of people took every opportunity to throw smack at Daisy, I feel like a lot of those same people had a mild interest in seeing her get in Smash, but never vocalized that opinion because it might have been considered taboo. Now that she's in Smash, those people are probably more comfortable coming out and admitting that they're glad Daisy got in.

 

[blazefan519]

Woah, just checked it out and maybe this guy is on to something!

papagenos you should do a video on LoZ18.

Hey hey, nice to see someone else who watches PapaGenos' content. Boy is fast when it comes to discussing leaks.

 

[Dandelionel]

Yep I saw it over at Source Gaming. I thought he'd be in the "credible" leakers category but everyone just seems to focus on Verg and I just wanted to know why I didn't see Loz at all.

Because when he started leaking, it was in a random gamefqs topic that no one was paying attention to (and it didn't have to do anything with leaks). And he made another topic that didn't gain traction since everything was floored with random leaks.

I did keep up with his leaks because he leaked both the Zelda redesign and the "You choose the stage first, and then the characters" which was random enough but something that I could see Sakurai doing. And it ended up being true:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76579834/903186091

Btw this is supposedly the only thing that hasn't proven true yet. But take it with a grain of salt since some people said that this loz could be an impersonator.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Saying "Isabelle is too pacifistic" sounds an awful lot like "Ridley is too big". The argument makes sense, but then you realize its Smash and nothing in it makes any semblence of sense. Why are Snake and Samus duking it out with Jigglypuff and Diddy Kong? Who knows? Who cares?

Ironically, the latter becomes irrelevant when you look at characters like Kirby and Pikachu. Kirby is only as tall as a Natu, and yet in Smash Bros., he's made to be bigger than he really is.

 

[Mc.Rad]

I don't know if he has been talked here but I will say something. Everything that that guy has leaked has been proven true. I was in the topic when he revealed a few days prior to the E3 that every character in the series would come back, and that Zelda's design was based in ALBTW. He also leaked Inkling's entire moveset and a few more things that I don't remember but ended up being true.

Also there are rumors that he made in gamefqs a topic about how Daisy and Ridley were the E3 2018 newcomers but that topic was flagged as troll since those two characters were big memes there.

Aaaaand he has leaked something else about a nintendo direct in August that I can't find but I will edit my message if I find it.

Hey Lolz, if you're looking at this, please tell me if there will be any new F-zero stuff

 

[blazefan519]

Because when he started leaking, it was in a random gamefqs topic that no one was paying attention to (and it didn't have to do anything with leaks). And he made another topic that didn't gain traction since everything was floored with random leaks.

I did keep up with his leaks because he leaked both the Zelda redesign and the "You choose the stage first, and then the characters" which was random enough but something that I could see Sakurai doing. And it ended up being true:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76579834/903186091

Btw this is supposedly the only thing that hasn't proven true yet. But take it with a grain of salt since some people said that this loz could be an impersonator.

That's the one I've been keeping an eye out for. I think it's highly likely we'll get a Nintendo Direct in August so if any of this is true, we finally know who to look out for.

 

[Icedragonadam]

He did. In fact, there’s one more character he knows about that he’s not leaking due to not being 100 percent confident about it.

He did say this on Reddit:

Double Edged sword hmm?

Spoiler

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

When she sends Mario to gather the power stars, it shows her in a more passive light. Add in her motherly personality toward the Lumas and it only strengthens that.

...So nothing very clear? Yeah, not buying it. It has to be clear. And as pointed out before by another user, there was more to it than that. Does she actually specify she won't ever fight? She's able to fight in other Mario games, sure. But literally every Mario character is capable of fighting due to the nature of the series. This cannot be applied to Animal Crossing, who almost didn't get a character due to the nature of the series. You're comparing an Adventure Series which has a different universe and character designs(never mind Rosalina barely was allowed to be made due to the fact she even has a major personality, cause Miyamoto only wants that in the Zelda games for some reason) to a slice-of-life game that doesn't really try to include violence. There's a reason Villager is the only character playable, and that's because he has no personality to begin with. That's applicable to Smash and AC too, to note. Most characters in AC have more defining personality, but nobody is actually violent by design(even Resetti isn't, though he has enough anger to justify it, unlike pretty much everybody but Tom Nook at best. The rest all shows little personality otherwise. Isabelle is the stand-out character for two reasons; face of the series, and the personality that she only cares about helping the player with items, not actually taking major action herself. It's so rare it's ridiculous).

When the roster was decided the only spin off she was in was Mario Kart. And if that's enough for her, it's enough for Isabelle, considering she was also in Mario Kart. Not so much of a pacifist if she's blowing up Baby Mario with a bomb, is she?

Rosalina battles in a Mario game where there is no canon and all the games are considered accurate due to MIyamoto's own statements. Isabelle needs to battle in an Animal Crossing game or simply show the idea she wouldn't be against fighting for me in an Animal Crossing game to take that argument seriously.

Isabelle needs to be accurate to her AC personality only. That's what matters. Anything she does as a guest in another game((which Smash is irrelevant since she's already 100% accurate to her character in every way to begin with) is beyond irrelevant. There is no reason to treat her as a possible fighter because she's in another non-AC game. Now if you'd like to think she would fight despite her personality in AC, that's fair. But Mario Kart is so beyond irrelevant to anyone that isn't a Mario character it's ridiculous. It was always a terrible argument to begin with. And even if you don't believe the spin-off Mario games matter to a Mario character's personality, it wouldn't matter to any guest either.

 

[RandomAce]

Because when he started leaking, it was in a random gamefqs topic that no one was paying attention to (and it didn't have to do anything with leaks). And he made another topic that didn't gain traction since everything was floored with random leaks.

I did keep up with his leaks because he leaked both the Zelda redesign and the "You choose the stage first, and then the characters" which was random enough but something that I could see Sakurai doing. And it ended up being true:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76579834/903186091

Btw this is supposedly the only thing that hasn't proven true yet. But take it with a grain of salt since some people said that this loz could be an impersonator.

Well at least he didn’t leak characters. But essentials and minor stuff we can look forward to.

I’m fine if you leak a reveal date, but not the character or content itself.

 

[perfectchaos83]

The problem with loz18 is that it's very hard to get everything he's said, especially since he deleted the post where he did leak Daisy. (I was there when he posted it and laughed. One of my first thoughts when Daisy was revealed was that he was right about yet another thing). Without proof it's hard to really say that for a fact cause I doubt it was saved anywhere.

Because when he started leaking, it was in a random gamefqs topic that no one was paying attention to (and it didn't have to do anything with leaks). And he made another topic that didn't gain traction since everything was floored with random leaks.

I did keep up with his leaks because he leaked both the Zelda redesign and the "You choose the stage first, and then the characters" which was random enough but something that I could see Sakurai doing. And it ended up being true:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76579834/903186091

Btw this is supposedly the only thing that hasn't proven true yet. But take it with a grain of salt since some people said that this loz could be an impersonator.

That's not an impersonator. That is loz18's post and his account

 

[Rie Sonomura]

If Vergeben has reliable info I really hope he doesn't leak the entire roster. Right now everyone enjoys discussing Simon and Isabelle, but the second he lists every new character that's coming the speculation and fun is over

If he HAS to leak a few more characters provided they’re legit, the only extra ones I’d like to see confirmed are Elma, Bandana Dee, and maybe Chrom and/or the Chorus Kids, and leave it at that. Especially for the former two, it’d put my mind at rest knowing they’re in since I really want them, but after those two/three/four, the rest should be a surprise, yeah.

 

[KMDP]

Because when he started leaking, it was in a random gamefqs topic that no one was paying attention to (and it didn't have to do anything with leaks). And he made another topic that didn't gain traction since everything was floored with random leaks.

I did keep up with his leaks because he leaked both the Zelda redesign and the "You choose the stage first, and then the characters" which was random enough but something that I could see Sakurai doing. And it ended up being true:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76579834/903186091

Btw this is supposedly the only thing that hasn't proven true yet. But take it with a grain of salt since some people said that this loz could be an impersonator.

So, has loz18 leaked anything other than "Zelda redesign", "Stage first, then character" and "Daisy is in" for this particular Smash game?

 

[cmbsfm]

Loz18 did say this about veggieburger:

Keep following Vergeben and his posts, he does seem to have some kind of insider not just from what I’ve seen but from what I’ve heard personally from other people.

 

[Mc.Rad]

Well at least he didn’t leak characters. But essentials and minor stuff we can look forward to.

I’m fine if you leak a reveal date, but not the character or content itself.

I guess he understands that Characters are a very essential part of the Smash Experience and he wants us to be hype without trying to spoil the fun. I am at least glad that I can finally wait for something good at august.

 

[blazefan519]

The problem with loz18 is that it's very hard to get everything he's said, especially since he deleted the post where he did leak Daisy. (I was there when he posted it and laughed. One of my first thoughts when Daisy was revealed was that he was right about yet another thing). Without proof it's hard to really say that for a fact cause I doubt it was saved anywhere.



That's not an impersonator. That is loz18's post and his account

I've mentioned it a couple times but this video shows off all his posts, including the revised version of the E3 post specifying some demo stuff as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RROUSc-WbhM&t=0s

 

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veggieburger

He gets all the best nicknames.

 

[Dandelionel]

So, has loz18 leaked anything other than "Zelda redesign", "Stage first, then character" and "Daisy is in" for this particular Smash game?

I can't find the topic so this is from what I remember which was:

-Zelda redesign. I think Ganondorf as well but I didn't care so I'm not sure
-Stage first, characters second
-Daisy
-Everyone returns, including Pichu (I remember him mentioning him)
-Inkling's entire moveset
-Something about the demo. Maybe the demo's roster? I'm not sure on this one.