Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Pyra]

I'M STIIIIIIIILL IN A DREEEEEEAM SNAKE EATERRRRRRR

Someday, you'll all feed on tree frogs

 

[CrusherMania1592]

...or we just get John Cena into Smash Bros...that’s all I would need

You were saying?

 

[Mc.Rad]

The new Snake Eater sounds like something you would hear at like the Shagohod fight...

What saddens me the most is that it's not a live rendition... it would be SOOOOOO cool to hear this with a live recording.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

And this track, most importantly confirms that there's new Metal Gear stuff and it's not all just stuff ported from Brawl.

Now to see if it references Peace Walker or Phantom pain or... *shudder* Survive.

 

[Irarius]

I made this video on it that got a lot of buzz on youtube so I've been following the leak closely.

As far as I know it isn't debunked, beyond the initial fact that it said some pretty wild and out there stuff and a few odd things that were known to be odd about it from the start like sonic mania plus being out before the direct and kirby star allies getting stuff shown (while the direct apparently has more info coming for those games).

So no i dont think its debunked but its still a wildly out there leak, at best I'd say it might be some real info mixed with some fake stuff to either throw Nintendo off or just get people talking. I really dont know what to make of it as it's "called" some stuff fairly accurately.

honestly if that leak comes true then it gets scary, not because of the leak itselfbut the fact that microsoft gives uo their exlusives to nintendo

you know what this could mean for the far future if nintendo and microsoft become tighter then this?
we could get a blend in bewteen the tech of microsoft, the premise of nintendo to deliver quality games with alot of fun stuff inbetween,
and the amazing world of microsoft exlusives added to it,

maybe next generation AFTER the next xbox is done,

i mean it would make sense since microsoft much like nintendo tries all that weard stuff, but just doesnt get it right at times,

together they would overpower sony with their exlusives, their power to run current gen games, instead of last gen games, and the half portable half homeconsole apeal.
the nintendo X
runs mario at 8K and jhas a crossover between Halo Metroid and DOOM, to make for the most xtreme horror adventure competetive game ever made, and they will call it METROOM: Combat Evolved
Rare comes back to their glory with Banjo Threeie, together with mario as a crossover

<.< i mean

i went wild there didnt i...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Joker? Of all people?

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFVj0Z6ahcI

I'd be okay with that leak's roster, aside from Geno being in an AT status.

HOLY **** THAT ****ING SONG IS SO JAMES BOND AND SO METAL GEAR AND SO SMASH BROTHERS AND SO PERFECT!!

Closest thing to Goldeneye in Smash, folks.

Compared to series that are completed like or cancelled/dead like , Kid Icarus has enough life for atleast one last character...being Viridi (since Smash is apart of the KI lore, Hades and Medusa are nearly impossible without some logical reason for them to be back, while Magnus isn’t as important of an Uprising character as the other two playable characters in Smash (sure you don’t see Virid physically in either game, but she’s more important than a majority of the characters and has we perfectly done 3D model practically ready to smash)

reminds me of a weirdly sexy fusion between James Bond and anime

Maybe Master Hand could bring them back to life, or something. We still don't know the full extent of his powers, every time it seems like his whole repertoire is present, he shows new tricks every game. Recently, it seems he's made out of locusts that can turn into a gigantic maze of death.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

You were saying?

John Cena vs Lucina...I need this now

 

[Idon]

It's just not the same without an overzealous women yelling

SNAAAAAAAAAAAAKE EAAAATEEEEEEER

 

[CrusherMania1592]

honestly if that leak comes true then it gets scary, not because of the leak itselfbut the fact that microsoft gives uo their exlusives to nintendo

you know what this could mean for the far future if nintendo and microsoft become tighter then this?
we could get a blend in bewteen the tech of microsoft, the premise of nintendo to deliver quality games with alot of fun stuff inbetween,
and the amazing world of microsoft exlusives added to it,

maybe next generation AFTER the next xbox is done,

i mean it would make sense since microsoft much like nintendo tries all that weard stuff, but just doesnt get it right at times,

together they would overpower sony with their exlusives, their power to run current gen games, instead of last gen games, and the half portable half homeconsole apeal.
the nintendo X
runs mario at 8K and jhas a crossover between Halo Metroid and DOOM, to make for the most xtreme horror adventure competetive game ever made, and they will call it METROOM: Combat Evolved
Rare comes back to their glory with Banjo Threeie, together with mario as a crossover

<.< i mean

i went wild there didnt i...

And now you just increased my hatred towards Master Chef

Thanks sonny

 

[zeldasmash]

And this track, most importantly confirms that there's new Metal Gear stuff and it's not all just stuff ported from Brawl.

Now to see if it references Peace Walker or Phantom pain or... *shudder* Survive.

Peace Walker, not sure, it's not as well known as other titles. It'd be cool to see some stuff for it. Phantom Pain should be either Quiet's Theme or Sins of the Father (preferably that last one).

Survive should be banned from the Smash Bros. cultural hexagon...and from gaming in general...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

To be fair if there are two MGS songs from Brawl that I DO want ported, they’re Yell Dead Cell (brings back memories of the first time I ever fought against Snake in Brawl with a friend...well...former friend now but still) and Calling to the Night (cause I’m a sucker for dramatic songs and could make for some cinematic, dramatic fights)

>Survive

Ssssshhhh...we do not speak of that. Not ever.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I'd be okay with that leak's roster, aside from Geno being in an AT status.



Closest thing to Goldeneye in Smash, folks.


Maybe Master Hand could bring them back to life, or something. We still don't know the full extent of his powers, every time it seems like his whole repertoire is present, he shows new tricks every game. Recently, it seems he's made out of locusts that can turn into a gigantic maze of death.

That would be the biggest **** move anyone would ever do to Pit (not even Palutena attempting a **** block or joke about him is that messed up)

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Peace Walker, not sure, it's not as well known as other titles. It'd be cool to see some stuff for it. Phantom Pain should be either Quiet's Theme or Sins of the Father (preferably that last one).

Survive should be banned from the Smash Bros. cultural hexagon...and from gaming in general...

Survive only gets a blip on my gaming radar for reminding me of a Futurama joke thanks to it's clumsy melee combat.
"We can use my latest invention: a pointy rock tied to a stick!"

 

[zeldasmash]

To be fair if there are two MGS songs from Brawl that I DO want ported, they’re Yell Dead Cell (brings back memories of the first time I ever fought against Snake in Brawl with a friend...well...former friend now but still) and Calling to the Night (cause I’m a sucker for dramatic songs and could make for some cinematic, dramatic fights)

Calling to the Night is such a great song. Honestly, it makes a Smash Bros. fight feel like a final boss fight. Same thing with Lost in Thought's.

What Ultimate should get is Metal Gear Rising tunes. It Has to Be This Way and Rules of Nature better make it, instrumental or not.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Sakurai knows it's a sin to not include atleast one vocal metal gear track

We all know

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

That would be the biggest **** move anyone would ever do to Pit (not even Palutena attempting a **** block or joke about him is that messed up)

The highest authority is not always fair. If Crazy Hand ever gets his way, most of the roster would be wiped out instead.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Calling to the Night is such a great song. Honestly, it makes a Smash Bros. fight feel like a final boss fight. Same thing with Lost in Thought's.

If they do decide to include more dramatic songs (and if Xenoblade X gets a stage and ideally also Elma) the Prog Ares battle theme is a MUST. it’s literally a remix of the “sad song” in the game, D91M (Requiem) that maintains its dramatic tone

 

[Dracyoshi]

Kid Icarus: Uprising deserves to get remade in full HD for the Switch... that game really got held back by the platform, both graphically and mechanically.
But anyway, here's a quick pie chart of Smash stages:
Mirror

The vast majority of stages are early game Green Hill Zones. 49.1%, for a total of 57 stages. The Yoshi and DK series have nothing but early game stages... tragic.
Next up are stages that are original locations and/or loosely inspired by their original games, like Miiverse, Flat Zone, and Castle Siege. These account for 31.9% of the stages for a total of 37.
11.2% of stages are late-game stages, for a total of 13. Three of them are from Pokemon.
And lastly, there's just a sad total of 7.8% for mid-game stages. 9 total.

Smash original stages like Battlefield and Final Destination are NOT included in these numbers.

Point is: Early-game stages are overabundant. I know Yoshi's Island and the Mushroom Kingdom are iconic, but we don't need five Mushroom Kingdoms,
(and that's not even including stages that are in the Mushroom Kingdom but not named after it, like Golden Plains and 3D Land)
four Yoshi's Islands, and five DK Jungles. Give us some variety, Nintendo!

 

[Will]

I wonder if any MGSV songs will get in.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Kid Icarus: Uprising deserves to get remade in full HD for the Switch... that game really got held back by the platform, both graphically and mechanically.
But anyway, here's a quick pie chart of Smash stages:
View attachment 153557
The vast majority of stages are early game Green Hill Zones. 49%, for a total of 57 stages. The Yoshi and DK series have nothing but early game stages... tragic.
Next up are stages that are original locations and/or loosely inspired by their original games, like Miiverse, Flat Zone, and Castle Siege. These account for 31.9% of the stages for a total of 37.
11.2% of stages are late-game stages, for a total of 13. Three of them are from Pokemon.
And lastly, there's just a sad 7.8% of mid-game stages. 9 total.

Smash original stages like Battlefield and Final Destination are NOT included in these numbers.

Point is: Early-game stages are overabundant. I know Yoshi's Island and the Mushroom Kingdom are iconic, but we don't need five Mushroom Kingdoms,
(and that's not even including stages that are in the Mushroom Kingdom but not named after it, like Golden Plains and 3D Land)
four Yoshi's Islands, and five DK Jungles. Give us some variety, Nintendo!

I’d like a Switch port moreso for the fact that it would have a better netcode for multiplayer, AND that the controls won’t torture your hand or break your controller.

Seriously, thanks to Uprising my 3DS XL’s circle pad is dead now ;-;

 

[Swamp Sensei]

THE NEW SNAKE EATER REMIX IS SO GOOD!

Like, they couldn't get vocals but they did the next best theme.

Reminds me of the two Bayonetta remixes in that they had to replace the vocals with instruments, but they turned out great!

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

Compared to series that are completed like or cancelled/dead like , Kid Icarus has enough life for atleast one last character...being Viridi (since Smash is apart of the KI lore, Hades and Medusa are nearly impossible without some logical reason for them to be back, while Magnus isn’t as important of an Uprising character as the other two playable characters in Smash (sure you don’t see Virid physically in either game, but she’s more important than a majority of the characters and has we perfectly done 3D model practically ready to smash

The Kid Icarus lore part is confusing to me. I know in Smash 4 there was a conversation when you fight Dark Pit that hints that it takes place after Uprising, but why? Kid Icarus is a separate universe yet it takes place in Smash Bros timeline? Freak. I'm losing my mind.

If I were the optimistic naive little kid that wanted another Kid Icarus character, I'd pick Viridi. If only we get a game with her as a protagonist. Hah!

Come on, if half the characters around here are dead yet they're still in Smash, then surely Medusa & Hades would too.

 

[Will]

Also if you're really into Ashley, WarioWare Gold has a minigame with her in 3D model form.

If you put on your tinfoil hat hard enough you'll start to believe they'll use the same one for Smash.

 

[Brother AJ]

So who, out of the likely newcomers, do you think WOULDN'T excite you at this point? I just want to hear SOMETHING, but seeing a Xenoblade 2 or X rep (as I haven't played either) or FE rep (unless they're REALLY unique) would bum me pretty hard. EDIT: I really just want to see BIG character reveals, as this is "Ultimate" after all.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

The highest authority is not always fair. If Crazy Hand ever gets his way, most of the roster would be wiped out instead.

So...like this

Spoiler: SMG4

I’d like a Switch port moreso for the fact that it would have a better netcode for multiplayer, AND that the controls won’t torture your hand or break your controller.

Seriously, thanks to Uprising my 3DS XL’s circle pad is dead now ;-;

L or ZL for shooting, analog stick for moving, c stick/right analog for camera and aiming (keeping it as simple as Uprising on the 3DS)

Also I’d love to see the graphics upgraded to either an he version of the cutscenes or use the Smash Ultimate Unreal Engile graphics for the game...so many possibilities for a remake/port or sequel

The Kid Icarus lore part is confusing to me. I know in Smash 4 there was a conversation when you fight Dark Pit that hints that it takes place after Uprising, but why? Kid Icarus is a separate universe yet it takes place in Smash Bros timeline? Freak. I'm losing my mind.

If I were the optimistic naive little kid that wanted another Kid Icarus character, I'd pick Viridi. If only we get a game with her as a protagonist. Hah!

Come on, if half the characters around here are dead yet they're still in Smash, then surely Medusa & Hades would too.

Half of the roster dead?

Anywho, in Uprising they continuously make Smash Bros references and in Smash they talk a lot about things that happened during/after the defeat of Hades while giving them an epilogue (they’re probably the only ones who get that kind of self awareness other than Snake, who’s second to them)

 

[Omega Tyrant]

And also datamining, but afaik no one’s been able to datamine the event-only demos cause they of course don’t have access.

I remember a while back in this thread someone posted something about people claiming to have the demo to datamine and had a discord about it, but then no farther update was posted about it since. I tried finding the post to see if the person who posted it had an update about it but couldn't find the post, and I don't particularly remember who posted it. Does anyone here know which post I'm taking about or at least who posted it?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

but seeing a Xenoblade 2 or X rep (as I haven't played either)

I understand FE but why would the Xenoblade newcomers bum you out if you just haven't played the game?

 

[vaanrose]

Also if you're really into Ashley, WarioWare Gold has a minigame with her in 3D model form.

If you put on your tinfoil hat hard enough you'll start to believe they'll use the same one for Smash.

This design is both more generic but also much more visually appealing.

 

[Zinith]

On the subject of which stages represent which part of the games they come from, I just realized something about the Yoshi stages. If you think all 5 of the stages depict the opening levels of their respective games, you're wrong. One of them doesn't...

Spoiler

It depicts the ****ing opening title sequence!!!

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

And this track, most importantly confirms that there's new Metal Gear stuff and it's not all just stuff ported from Brawl.

Now to see if it references Peace Walker or Phantom pain or... *shudder* Survive.

I cannot believe you forgot about Metal Gear Rising. I mean come on. Rules of Nature, I'm My Own Master Now, It Has to be This Way. I mean that entire soundtrack is Video Game Vocal gold.

Also, if the Peace Walker theme, which has become the series theme of late, isn't in I will be incredibly surprised. Zero Allies is a must from Peace Walker as well.

 

[TimonBoyd]

My biggest hopes & suggestions for this Super Smash Bros Ultimate.

1.Crash Bandicoot as a Playable Fighter.
2.Story/Adventure Mode Campaign with character interactions.
3.A good Tournament mode.
4.Tag-Team replacing your stocks with your mains.
5.New modes & old Modes like Break the Targets,Board the Platforms,Sandbag in a hoop mode etc.
6.Online lobbies to enter into friends for a private or public fight.
7. Consistent updates for the game.
8.Rewind your replays or fast forward them.
9.A Mario Maker style custom stage with new styles like stage hazards or even enemies.
10.A online system that runs well.

 

[PushDustIn]

https://twitter.com/AllSourceGaming/status/1019397825073827840?s=19

We offered a correction here over the Geno comments. I'm sorry for the mistake.

After talking to the other translators at SG, it became clear that it was just my personal interpretation of that text, and not something that should be propagated as the actual meaning.

I feel this is something PushDustIn should answer; since I believe he was the one who translated the relevant article(s), and was also the one who mentioned it in the RTC Video.

Besides, I have to go to bed, unfortunately.

Note: To give context to the argument for PDI, we're talking about whether or not Sakurai based the Mii Gunner on his vision for Geno.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So...like this

Spoiler: SMG4

L or ZL for shooting, analog stick for moving, c stick/right analog for camera and aiming (keeping it as simple as Uprising on the 3DS)

Also I’d love to see the graphics upgraded to either an he version of the cutscenes or use the Smash Ultimate Unreal Engile graphics for the game...so many possibilities for a remake/port or sequel

Half of the roster dead?

Anywho, in Uprising they continuously make Smash Bros references and in Smash they talk a lot about things that happened during/after the defeat of Hades while giving them an epilogue (they’re probably the only ones who get that kind of self awareness other than Snake, who’s second to them)

Insert Thanos joke here

But yeah, I loved those little details in Uprising and in the Smash 4 Palutena’s Guidance.

Ps. I wonder if someone here is versed enough to do those guidances with the crew that was absent from 4, since we already have someone here doing Snake codecs

 

[Mc.Rad]

So I find it kinda curious that Japanese players are making a meme out of Ridley's Western appeal....

Does this mean that Sakurai is adding in newcomers based off of regional popularity???

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

Half of the roster dead?)

Well, specifically the villains, saying half is a little too much. lol.

Spoiler: Spoilers

Some heroes like almost died, but got revived in just minutes, or hours on end. The other, is the undying sacrifice

 

[AlphaSSB]

So who, out of the likely newcomers, do you think WOULDN'T excite you at this point? I just want to hear SOMETHING, but seeing a Xenoblade 2 or X rep (as I haven't played either) or FE rep (unless they're REALLY unique) would bum me pretty hard. EDIT: I really just want to see BIG character reveals, as this is "Ultimate" after all.

In short, more characters from Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, and 3rd Parties, as well as any more 'Echo' characters.

I've no interest in any potential Kid Icarus newcomers, so I'd be pretty disappointed there. Same can be said with Fire Emblem, but more characters from that series would cause me to debate even getting the game, Echos or not.

I think we've hit a good sweet spot with seven 3rd Parties, even if I hate most of them. Although there are some that could be interesting, such as Simon Belmont, the number of 3rd Parties we have now turns me away from the idea of getting more. Indie characters would cause me to debate even getting the game, and any 4th Parties would lead to me dropping it completely.

Lastly, more 'Echo' characters would be disappointing to see in general, especially if they've much greater potential. Granted, it's better than nothing, but would be unfortunate depending on the character.

 

[Dcm05]

I’ve scoured the internet as much as I could but I couldn’t seem to find the answer to this question:

I’ve been meaning to purchase trigger plugs for my GCC. However, I don’t know if shielding in Smash ultimate is triggered by the analogue or digital press of the trigger. Reason being, if it’s by the analogue press similar to smash 4 then I won’t get the plugs for the Controller. Does anyone know if it’s uses Smash 4/Melee analogue shielding or Brawl’s Digital press shielding?
(I am not talking about light shielding, I am refering to the act of activating shield with the triggers)

 

[Zinith]

Here's a new topic. For any of you Smash players who don't have character loyalty (and then some i.e. ME ) I want to ask a question. If you are planning to main the same character you mained in Smash 4, what will it take for you to drop them for someone else?

 

[Dracyoshi]

On the subject of which stages represent which part of the games they come from, I just realized something about the Yoshi stages. If you think all 5 of the stages depict the opening levels of their respective games, you're wrong. One of them doesn't...

Spoiler

It depicts the ****ing opening title sequence!!!

It's so early game that you see it before you can even move!

L or ZL for shooting, analog stick for moving, c stick/right analog for camera and aiming (keeping it as simple as Uprising on the 3DS)

Also I’d love to see the graphics upgraded to either an he version of the cutscenes or use the Smash Ultimate Unreal Engile graphics for the game...so many possibilities for a remake/port or sequel

Don't forget about gyro controls! Seriously, they'd be perfect for a game like Kid Icarus Uprising. It would allow mouse-like cursor control. Obviously, they'd be optional, but people are really sleeping on gyro aiming because they don't want to take time to get used to learn it like they did with stick controls. It's sad to see because it makes aiming in games like Splatoon and potentially Uprising so much more accurate.

 

[PushDustIn]

The other translators and I haven't seen any instances of Japanese players referring to Ridley as Captain America. It could be an instance where it's a in-group joke among some fans, but it's definitely not a widespread meme among Japanese fans.