Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[KMDP]

I know you're joking but if we're going to discuss this for the fifty millionth time can we at least talk about anything beyond Mimikyu, Decidueye, Incineroar and Trash Dog? Like, ****, I don't know, Tsareena? Wishiwashi as a Pokeball? Remixes?

Obviously, the Pokémon newcomer is Garbodor. It's just such a perfect fit.

 

[AzureFlame4]

If there's over 100 characters they better have Marty McFly from Back to the Future to represent the TellTale Back to the Future game.

 

[lordvaati]

I honestly don't think there's a single echo fighter that's more popular than Daisy.

Otherwise they would have picked someone else to introduce the concept.

Another reason I don't think characters like Isabelle, Shadow, etc, make sense.

Because they definitely have more popularity than her.

well, that's a Nintendo character anyway.

 

[PeridotGX]

I know you're joking but if we're going to discuss this for the fifty millionth time can we at least talk about anything beyond Mimikyu, Decidueye, Incineroar and Trash Dog? Like, ****, I don't know, Tsareena? Wishiwashi as a Pokeball? Remixes?

Blacephalon would be a cool character. We don't have a character dedicated to explosions yet. It's never happening though

 

[Will]

GOOD.

Damn, what did Geno do to you?

 

[Deleted member]

I know you're joking but if we're going to discuss this for the fifty millionth time can we at least talk about anything beyond Mimikyu, Decidueye, Incineroar and Trash Dog? Like, ****, I don't know, Tsareena? Wishiwashi as a Pokeball? Remixes?

We don't have a ground or ghost type Pokemon yet. Sandygast is looking pretty likely right now.

 

[P.Kat]

Dragon Quest would most likely just get Slime as an assist trophy. If there was gonna be another Square character, I would place by bets on Agnes. I think we'll see these characters as assist trophies:

• Geno
• Slime
• Shovel Knight
• Rayman
• Arthur
• Bill & Lance
• Chrono Trigger
• Shantae
• Monster Hunter
• Arle Nadja & Carbuncle

If we're going to get anyone in the form of fighters, I would say the most likely characters are Simon, Heihachi, and maybe Lloyd.

Shantae as an Assist Trophy?! If that ever happened, I'd look for the nearest Reset Bomb, reset time a little, and change Sakurai's mind. At least that's how Reset Bomb work right? Oh well, a little trial and error never hurts XD

 

[Will]

I don't know anything about Dragon Quest. Can someone tell me who is the mascot hero/protagonist of the series or who is the Cloud of the series? Besides Slime.

Well, we know you don't know anything about Dragon Quest because you think there's a single protagonist to categorize them all.
Or maybe you don't know Final Fantasy that well if you think Cloud is the overall mascot of the series. I'd give that to the Chocobo, since Cloud only starred in one game compared to the numerous roles of Lightning or the various Warriors of Light.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Damn, what did Geno do to you?

I'm all for fan service until it sinks to the low of including a completely random character from a completely random game. Not even a protagonist or a classic NES title. Just a random party member from a one-off Mario RPG who never appeared again.

I've never ever actively wanted a character to NOT be in Smash, but adding Geno is just disrespectful. That's where I draw the line when it comes to fan service.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'm also leaning towards no major iconic third parties either. Smaller ones like Geno perhaps, but the fact E3 came and went without a third party reveal is a little odd to me. Echo or not, someone like Ken or Shadow, etc would have generated hype.

Same for Simon Belmont who seems to be the go to third party this time.

Maybe they're using third parties to sell DLC this time or something.

 

[SpiralGalaxies]

I would very much like an ultra beast gen 7 fighter if we're ignoring all other discussed options. Nihilego probably has the best chance considering it's plot relevance but I would very much like Pheromosa if Nihilego doesn't make it!

 

[CannonStreak]

Anyways, I've got enough "leaks" for another large session.

Spoiler: Session

Spoiler: "Leak" 1

Apparently Sakurai's next revived series is already being planned and will get content in Smash Ultimate. A, "revival character," spot on the roster was reserved at the beginning of development. But I wasn't told who the chosen character or series was.
The Healing Field item will appear in their new game, along with other "Field" bulbs. Some Kid Icarus characters (and Fire Emblem for whatever reason) are also planned to make cameo appearances.
The one detail known about them is that their Final Smash has them mount a robot, with dual-wielded guns, and shoot from a 1st person view.

A different perspective for a "leak," so you get points for trying. No clue as to who the character could be. Advance Wars? Sin and Punishment? Mach Rider? I don't know.

Spoiler: "Leak" 2

Hi, I'm an member from Smash Ultimate's development team. I've received many questions about development on Smash Ultimate, so I've decided to post them here due to this site's widespread usage.

First off, I'd like to clarify something. While Bandai Namco Games is the primary developer of this game, HAL Laboratories is offering developmental assistance as well as having creative decisions during development, which is where my role happens to fall into place.

King K. Rool, Simon Belmont, Ashley, Waddle Dee, Elma, and Geno will all be announced as unique characters at some point, when that is I'm not certain.

Dixie Kong (Diddy Kong Echo), Dark Samus (Samus Echo), Chrom (Ike Echo), Impa (Sheik Echo), Shadow (Sonic Echo), and Fiora (Elma Echo, also appears in Shulk's Final Smash) will be the game's Echo Fighters.

I have no information on movesets, only either what the characters are or for Echoes who they are based on, but In total there will be six unique characters and six Echoes, which balances things out. The focus on returning veterans made newer characters a lower priority, which resulted in the concept of Echo Fighters. In total, it's true about what Sakurai said not to expect many new fighters.

DLC is in the works, a few characters relevant to the Switch's lifespan have been thrown around as ideas but nothing is final.

If anyone has any questions I'll be around here, hope you enjoy the information that has been given.

We talked about Fiora as an echo a while back, and lo and behold now she's in a "leak." I want to believe. It's surprising, I know. It's still weird that Fiora is so detailed.

Spoiler: "Leak" 3

> My brother works at Nintendo and he found this
> There will be 11 fighters including Daisy, Inklings, and Ridely.
> The 5 newcomers are
> King K. Rool
> Jade ( Dragon Quest 11 )
> Geno
> Heihachi
> Banjo and kazooie
> ECHO'S are
> Shadow
> Dixie Kong
> Ninten
> Modes
> Smash Run
> Target Smash
> Melee Adventure Mode
> Subspace

Skimming low effort territory, but it's good enough I guess.

Spoiler: "Leak" 4

Hey. Can confirm July 22 direct leak is real. Just wanted to give a little more detail about what’s going to be released.

<In the shine cup, another stage titled “dream land” will be shown off quickly.

<King K Rool and Dixie’s announcement will happen once you think the direct is over and the smash icon will appear similar to what happened when Ridley was announced.

That’s all the other person didn’t cover. Pretty big direct. Since it’s only a 30 minute direct a lot of these announcements will be a quick trailer with the name of the game. It will be very fast paced.

An extension to the "July 22nd" leak. We'll see about this one soon.

Spoiler: "Leak" 5

- No directs will be coming before September 12
- September 12 there will be a Direct. It's should be around 40 mins.This July, 2 new ports will be coming, and this August, Fortnite Skins will come only to Nintendo, they will be Samus, Link, and more.
- The first headlines will start off with 3DS
- Pokken Tournament, Summer 2019
- Mario&Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story remake, January 18
- Luigi's Mansion Remake, October 2
- Final headline Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festivel, holiday 2018
- New Super Mario Bros. 3, holiday 2018
- 1st Switch headline Ninjala, March 2019
- Super Mario Party, October 5
- Diablo 3, 2019
- Dragon Quest 11, holiday 2018
- SNES Remix, holiday 2018
- 5 Nights at Freddy's, holiday 2018
- Mega Man 11, October 2
- Team Sonic Racing, December 14
- Pac-Man: Hungered (Pac-Man games that have a design like the Smash Bros games Pac-Man), November 2.
- Fire Emblem Three Houses, April 2019
- Break from Headlines, Online announcement.
- Back to headlines, New Paper Mario game, 2019
- Dr.Mario Switch, holiday 2018
- Injustice 2, 2019
- Undertale, November 9
- Xenoblade Chronicles 2: TORNA the Golden Country, releasing September 21 2018
- Xenoblade Chronicles X, holiday 2018
- Pokemon Let's Go, November 16
- Tomodachi World, early 2019
- Demon X Machina, January 25 2019
- World Ends With You: Final Remix, October 26
- Shovel Knight: King Of Cards after Direct, Shovel Knight amiibo releasing October 2 2019
- N64 Mini, holiday 2018
- Nintendo Land 2, 2019
- Last headline, Mario 64, 2019
- Yoshi game, Yoshi's Craft World, Birdo playable, and Labo support.
- Pikmin 4 trailer, early 2019
- Final announcement, Jade Smash trailer (From Dragon Quest 11).

Back to near low effort territory. I don't get Jade from Dragon Quest over other characters like Erdrick or, you know, the actual main protagonist of the game.

Spoiler: "Leak" 6

Alright, my husband works at nintendo and I’m kinda mad at them for firing him, so I’m gonna leak everything he told me

>Porky Minch from the Mother/Earthbound series joins the battle as a powerful and somewhat large fighter that is easy to read, almost like a boss fight. He uses his design from Mother 2/Earthbound in the spider mech, the same one used in Earthbound's semi final boss, but he does have a skin that makes his skin colors and face match Mother 3, as well as have a pig mask symbol(a pig nose) on his mech. His attacks include long jabs with his spider like legs, he can release gas that stuns the foe,tear into other fighters with a sharp jab of his leg, and use his legs to boost himself high up into the air. What I mean by him being telegraphed like a boss is that, for example, his Neutral Special, Gas Cloud, has his robot charge up energy, showing his mouth open like he's sucking up energy, and then after about 2-3 seconds of charging, he releases. You can not only easily outrun this in the time he charges, but if you attack his glass shell during this, it cancels the attack and deals extra damage. Or, his Up Special, spider bounce, has him crouch the machine down, then boost up, but if you hit well he is crouching, it sends him downward. He is fairly frail to compensate for the power of his attacks. He can be ko'd by pretty much any smash attack at 60% or higher.

>Golisopod from Pokemon is a new character. Yes, of all the new Pokemon, it seems Sakurai added Golisopod. This Water and Bug type is somewhat sluggish but is primarily based around quick attacks and getting away. For example, it’s dash attack is a quick swipe, but at any point in the animation you can press a again to dash back about 2/3rds the length of one battlefield platform. It’s Neutral Special is literally based around this, being U-Turn. Golisopod glows green and dashes forward, but if the attack connects, Golisopod goes backward. It’s rather bulky, and decently strong, especially since its Side Special, Razor Shell, can temporarily lower a foes defenses. If it weren’t for its sluggishness, it might be a pretty good character, as it has some great strengths such as easily being able to escape from a foe, and having a decent amount of long ranged moves like Water Pulse as a forward smash and Sludge Wave as a down air, making spacing not be a problem. Arguably it’s most unique feature is First Impression. The first 3 attacks they use do twice as much damage and if hit on the sweet spot, can spike. It is because of this that I have seen some players back at the treehouse sometimes SD in order to get some strong attacks in.

>Susie from Kirby is added as Sakurai has heard about the complaints that only Kirby content from his games is in, so he added her as she is from Planet Robobot, the newest Kirby game at the time Ultimate started development, it wasn’t even quite out yet, actually. She is a tech based character, with attacks like a tazer that does damage and stuns foes for about as long as Zero Suit Samus’s Neutral Special as her Side Special, or a multi-hitting drill attack has her back air. She is a fairly speedy character, but also somewhat frail. She uses attacks from the Robobot itself in her moveset, explained in smash that she somehow installed it’s attacks onto herself as her outfit is rather technological. This includes a chainsaw as her Forward Smash, a long burst of fire as her Up Smash that can even set foes on fire, dealing gradual damage for a few seconds,unleashing a loud sound wave for her Down Smash, growing wheels for her Dash Attack, dashing forward and growing jetwings for the animation of her forward air, a strong and lengthy electrical jab as her Neutral Special, a turbo charged spinning Parasol as her Up Special, and even dropping a contact based bomb as her Down Air.

>Banjo and Kazooie are one of two (non echo) third party fighters added to this game. They’re a lot like Duck Hunt in that they can have 2 sources of attacks at once, like their Down Smash, Breegul Bash, which not only damages from the shock wave it causes, but also Kazooie herself. They have 3 jumps, two from Banjo and one from Kazooie, and of course can then recover with Beak Bomb. Their Neutral Special involves shooting eggs from Kazooie, which can be charged. Simply pressing the button or pressing for less than about a second or 2 shoots a regular, blue egg. Holding from then on up to about 3 seconds shoots a spotted, fiery red egg. Charging past that will instantly shoot, regardless of whether you release the button or not, a green, lined Grenade Egg that creates a small explosion, stunning the target. One of their more interesting attacks is their Side Special, Wonder Wing, which lasts for about 2 seconds(or less, ends if you let go) where they cannot be harmed and hurt enemies. However, to compensate for how useful this move is, they have an un-cancelable opening up animation where they slowly open up, stand up with their arms out, stretch them a bit and close, which takes about 2 seconds. This animation does end if they are attacked but that’s obviously not ideal. One detail I imagine was hard to implement is that when dashing Banjo rides on Kazooie, often known as the Talon Trot. People will likely be happy to hear there are zero nuts and bolts references within their moveset.

>The final (unique) newcomer, Phoenix Wright from Ace Attorney. His moveset is mainly about exposing weak spots and finding good opportunities to strike. His Neutral Special, Objection, has him point his finger and say the iconic phrase, along with the text bubble showing up as he stuns any foe touched by his finger. His Down Special, Examine, has him guide a small square to a spot on the screen and examine it. If it’s a fighter, it will either do nothing, or within a small hitbox on every fighter, designed to be near the middle of their model, it will make them have a thick red outline, and when attacked, they will take double the damage and knockback they would normally for just one attack. One of the coolest aspects of his moveset is how he references various objects and items throughout the series, such as dropping the Sacred Urn for his Dash Attack, whacking foes with the Thinker for his Up Smash, or even stabbing with the Samurai Spear as his Forward Aerial. For being a Lawyer however, some of his moves are a bit wacky, such as his Up Special involving him bouncing off a desk that appears midair, or his Side Special throwing evidence whether it be papers, a banana, or a cup of coffee. His skins are actually pretty inspired, being based off other Ace Attorney characters, mainly(but not exclusively) other lawyers, like a red and white coat for Apollo, a scarlet coat for Edgeworth, but also things like a green coat for Gumshoe and a purple coat for Maya.

Assist Trophies:Many new assist trophies are added, as well as some removed like Isabelle and Shadow. Every assist trophy ever besides Little Mac, Isabelle, and Shadow is in this game, as well as many new ones. Due to the nature of Assists, it’s possible he didn’t seen them all, but he has seen Cranky Kong from Donkey Kong Country, Toadette from Super Mario, Ramblin’ Evil Mushroom from Earthbound, Chorus Kids from Rhythm Heaven, Bandanna Dee from Kirby, Off The Hook from Splatoon 2 as almost an echo assist, Biff from Arms, Mumbo from Banjo Kazooie, Blue Badger from Ace Attorney, Blanka from Street Fighter 2, Sephiroth from Final Fantasy 7, and Shovel Knight from Shovel Knight.

Pokeballs:Every Pokeball ever besides Charizard is in this game. Added ones include(just like assists, there could be some he didn’t see) Tapu Koko, Rowlet, Skuntank, Necrozma, Zygarde, Nihilego, Pangoro, Marshadow, Goomy, and Pikipek.

Stages:Like characters, he can say every stage in the game due to how they work. First of all, the only returning stages that he didn’t see are Pyrosphere, Miiverse, Hanenbow, Pokefloats, Sector Z, and Planet Zebes. New stages include Court from Ace Attorney, Gruntilda’s Castle from Banjo Kazooie, Spring Stadium from Arms, Patched Plains from Kirby Planet Robobot, Electro Dome from Mario Kart 8, Ultra Space from Pokemon Sun and Moon, Cave of the Past from Earthbound, Gang Plank Galleon from Donkey Kong Country, Picto Chat X, and Dr.Mario from Dr.Mario.

One last thing, unlocking characters? Introducing:Master Hand’s tournament, you fight many fighters in a 10 round tourney and at the end fight master hand, and earn a random fighter. You can also buy fighters from a shop. That’s all, see you in september.

Why in september? Well let's just say there will be a BIG news blowout and almost all this will be shown! Okay for real that's all!

Holy mother of text walls Batman! @Zero Soul already posted this, but I figured that I'd include it anyways.

Spoiler: "Leak" 6

Nintendo Direct September 2018

>Earthbound Trilogy
Earthbound, Earthbound Beginnings, and Mother 3 (now titled Earthbound Onward in the West) are all being ported to the Nintendo Switch and 3ds. Expect a physical release for the Switch, but the 3ds edition will likely be download only. Each title can alternatively be downloaded separately.

>Metroid Prime 4
Very short 15 second CG trailer from the first person perspective of Sylux. We see him hunting down Samus right before she turns around and blasts at the camera.

>Super Smash Brothers Ultimate
Randomized Classic Mode closer to the traditional format rather than 3ds.
All Star Mode can now be saved and returned to at a later time
Smash Run is back with 3 map sizes. Possible with up to 8 players, 4 player split screen between two switches. New "boss encounters" (Klubba from DKC2 showcased).
1500+ trophies available, including every trophy previously in a smash game. (Steve from Minecraft, Sniperclips, and Crash Bandicoot are shown in trophy form)
New stages shown include SR388 from Metroid, and Bob-omb Battlefield (Super Mario 64)
No word on any sort of Adventure Mode.
Tom Nook (Animal Crossing) is revealed to be an echo fighter of Villiager.

>Star Fox Zero
Star Fox Zero is getting an "adjusted" port for the Switch. Seems like Gyro aiming might be required for gameplay but the game is restructured to be played without the gamepad

>Indie Sizzle Reel

>The Legend of Zelda HD Duology
Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD are being ported to the Switch. 60 dollars for both games, but can be bought separately on the eShop.

>Taiko Drum Master 2
Taiko no Tatsujin For the Nintendo Switch is coming to the west

>Tomodachi Dreams
A new entry in the Tomodachi series. This game promises to have "many more" features and scenarios than the previous game, Tomodachi Life. One of the features showcased is the ability to connect over Nintendo Online to share and download Miis. Your "Look Alike" can also be controlled to explore the Mii apartment complex.

>Spyro Reignited Trilogy
Getting a slightly late release for the Switch. Q1 2019.

>Final Send-off
Reggie comes out and discusses the exciting 2019 ahead, and while they weren't able to show them during the direct, the year will carry some heavily anticipated games that long time Nintendo fans should definitely look out for.

>Smash Newcomer
Lastly, Mike Jones (Startropics) is revealed to be a newcomer for Super Smash Bros Ultimate.

Mike Jones is definitely new, but not happening. If Takamaru didn't get in based off of lack of western notoriety, Mike Jones won't get in based off of lack of eastern notoriety. Nice try mr. leakerman. Still logging it anyways I guess.

Spoiler: "Leak" 8

> All ready Peeps, there will be a direct on September 12th, it's supposed to be 40-45 min, also thr main thing will be the Online, there will be no Direct before September, but first there is going to be a announcement on July 16, a new fighter and a Echo is coming, King K Rool, and Dixie Kong.
> The Direct will start of with the 3DS headlines
> Paper Mario: Color Splash will be coming to the 3DS 2019 Luigi Mansion Remake releasing October 12th
> Mario and Luigi remake releasing January 18
> Last headline Legends Of Zelda: Triforce Heroes 2, 2019
> Miyamoto will be talking about Pikmin, he will then show off Pikmin 4 gameplay trailer, after that he will also show off Pikmin Triliogy. And Pikmin Joycons wich are Red and Purple. Releasing Early 2019.
> Next is the Switch headlines
> Team Sonic Racing, releasing December 14
> Project X Zone 3, 2019
> Star Link: Battle For Atlas, releasing October 6
> New Super Mario Bros.3, Mario, Luigi, Peach, Daisy, Blue Toad, and Wario, releasing Early 2019
> Mega Man 11, October 2
> Diablo 3, 2019
> Ninjala, March 2018
> World Ends With You: Final Remix, October 26
> Super Mario Party, October 5
> SNES Remix, holiday 2018
> Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna the Golden Country, releasing September 21 2018
> Break from headlines, Online announcement
> Headlines, Injustice 2, 2019
> DragonBall FighterZ, September 28
> Pokemon Let's Go, November 16
> Shovel Knight: King Of Cards after Direct, Shovel Knight amiibo releasing October 2 2019
> Tomodachi World, holiday 2018
> Fire Emblem Three Houses, April 2019
> Undertale, Spring 2019
> Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes, 1st quarter 2019
> Demon X Machina, January 25 2019
> New Nintendo 64 Mini, holiday 2018
> Mario Maker 2, 2019
> Last headline Mario 64 Switch, 2018
> Yoshi's Craft World + LABO support, and Birdo is playable and Poochy, March 2019
> Bayonetta 3 gameplay trailer Early 2019
> Final Announcement, Story Mode smash trailer, and Ashely smash trailer

K. Rool, Dixie Kong, and Ashley in one day? I'm listening.

Spoiler: "Leak" 9

Hello all! I got you guys some nice insider info on the new Smash Bros.

5 new playable characters will be revealed over the course of this year. Along with 3 echo fighters. The characters will be:

1. King K. Rool
2. Rex and Pyra
3. Geno
4. Banjo and Kazooie
5. Shovel Knight
6. Shadow The Hedgehog (Echo)
7. Dark Samus (Echo)
8. Octoling (Echo)


KKR will be revealed in a Nintendo Direct near the end of this month. The other characters will be revealed in other directs up to the games launch. These characters are in no particular order (except for KKR, who is being revealed first).

Unfortunately, I have not heard anything about DLC characters.

Smash Run and Smash Tour will be coming back. Smash Run will have all the characters be on the same stage unlike the 3ds version were everyone is separate. Smash Tour is going through many changes to make the experience more enjoyable.

Oh and Pokefloats is coming back, for the 2 people who have been wanting that stage back.

That is all I have to share for now. Thank you.

Only two people wanting Pokefloats? Excuse you, there are dozens of us! Shovel Knight has surprisingly become one of my lesser wanted characters as of late. I just think Shantae or even Reimu have more to offer as characters than Pogo Shovel Guy.

Spoiler: "Leak" 10

July 30th is the date

* Daemon x Machina gets more info, including a release date. April 2019

* New information for the Yoshi game. There will be a confirmed Birdo mode

* 2D Mario game confirmed, Super Mario Brothers. World Tour. You travel to different iconic places in the Mario series, such as the Mushroom Kingdom, to Sarasaland

* 3DS headline slideshow, also showing new to be released titles such as WarioWare Gold and Luigi's Mansion

* Metroid Prime 4 trailer. Dark Samus and Ridley are teamed up. The story seems to show more character for Samus

* New DLC for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. 6 characters are announced to be in it, with 3 per pack, but none are revealed. 2 new cups, including stages like Mushroom Gorge and Waluigi's Pinball. Some new vehicles. $9.99

* Mario Tennis Aces DLC announced. Pauline, Cappy, and Tiara will become playable characters

* As it was rumored, Star Fox Racing is finally confirmed. Characters such as Fox, Falco, Wolf, Krystal, Panther Coroso, and Slippy are playable characters. Captain Falcon will be playable as a guest character

* Season 3 Dream Friends are announced. Magolor is quickly revealed

* The Direct ends with a Smash Bros trailer. King K. Rool will be the Newcomer, and Dixie Kong will be the Echo Fighter. Only King K. Rool gets a splash card. The trailer will also show some footage of Smash Run

I guess Direct "leaks" are the big thing right now. It's gross. Waluigi's Pinball for Mario Kart 8 DX would be great though.

Spoiler: "Leak" 11

Time to finally unravel what's going on for you, boys. Nintendo's got big plans for a Nintendo direct in September.

>Remake of the original Paper Mario on Switch. Game features a simplified battle system involving cards. Petey Piranha replaces the Lava Piranha and Kamek replaces Kammy Koopa. Bowser Jr. is also in the game.

>Tokyo Mirage Sessions FE is getting ported to Nintendo Switch with a handful of additional features, including the appearances of Persona 5 characters.

>Mario Odyssey gets a paid DLC expansion with more worlds.

>The release of a Wario Land collection game on Switch. Wario Lands 1,2, 3, and 4 are included, as well as Wario Land Shake it. The original Warioware and Super Mario Land 2 are also in it as bonuses.

>Additional details on Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee. All generation 1 alolan and mega Pokemon will be in the game.

>Smash Ultimate trailer with new characters King K. Rool and Rayman. Rabbids are not playable but feature prominently as a stage and multiple assist trophies. Dixie Kong appears as an assist trophy.

Safe overall. Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE getting a remake would be great, as I never got the chance to experience it.

One "leak" almost got me, but it claimed that every stage was returning, which we know isn't happening.

Leakbusters back at it again.

Why are so many leaks saying July is when the next Direct happens? Are they just guessing? To me, it seems that they are so.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Well, we know you don't know anything about Dragon Quest because you think there's a single protagonist to categorize them all.
Or maybe you don't know Final Fantasy that well if you think Cloud is the overall mascot of the series. I'd give that to the Chocobo, since Cloud only starred in one game compared to the numerous roles of Lightning or the various Warriors of Light.

I literally said that I don't know anything about Dragon Quest. So great detective work. And I didn't say Cloud was the mascot of the series.

Do you want to actually answer my question perhaps? And I actually did know there's not a single protagonist in Dragon Quest. That's why I asked! If there was a single protagonist I would have Googled it.

What do you think you're exposing here?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I think the only real differences between Peach and Daisy would be their attack hitbox effects. For an example, the Daisy Bomber would send fighters flying at lower angles (probably a 30 degree knockback angle, if not lower), instead of the Sakurai Angle that the Peach Bomber uses.

I really wonder when we'll get to see differences between both, because right now, not much is there to make me want to sustainably play her over Peach because that moveset was clearly tailored more on Peach rather than Daisy, and there's not much for Daisy to feel her own character aside from certain animations.
It's why I've been finding it highly disorienting to watch Daisy imitate practically everything Peach does (which exaggerate Daisy's feminine side, if I can put it best), and it's bit dampening my excitement for her inclusion.

Doesn't also help how some people now claim both are apparently so interchangeable that you could mistake them about, among other "She's Yellow Peach, it makes sense"-based claims, something I've been annoyed to see back in the last years as a fan - but now have to be forced to live with it all the time.

Call me ungrateful, maybe - but to see how my interpretations or memories of certain characters become rather obsolete for fanbases seeing them as "skins" or "clones" of other characters easily, incase we see them become Echoes.
It's been making bit anxious on how these Echoes are used or decided on some characters - some they fit fine, but I feel like Echoes are being used in a way that tends to dumb down certain characters' own personalities or traits even more than people here think.

I'd hate to see Dixie's gonna be "Female Diddy" sometime in the future, ironically not using her characteristic ponytail at worst.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

All I can remember of the specific differences of Falco is his slower blaster and reflector kick, really. As far as I know, Luigi was very similar to, almost the same as, Mario in SSB64; all that was different was the usual differences he had (slippery traction, higher jump).

Melee Falco is slightly heavier, jumps higher with a slower jumpsquat, and runs much slower than fox. Additionally, Falco's moves had a bit more reach in general from his longer limbs and many of Falco's moves functioned differently or had significantly altered knockback; Falco's f-smash, d-tilt, f-tilt, and fair were much stronger while his u-smash and uair were much weaker, his dair was a powerful single-hit spike instead of being a multi-hitting move with almost no knockback, his lasers flinching applied to his throws, Falco Phantasm was faster and meteor smashed while being shorter distanced, Fire Bird was much stronger while being much shorter distanced, and his Shine launched people vertically while having knockback growth (but he didn't kick it yet in Melee). Melee Falco had far more gameplay differences than the Echoes do and was a bigger departure from Fox than Doc/Pichu/Young Link were from their counterparts.

As for Melee Luigi, he had several different moves from Mario (jab finisher, d-tilt, u-tilt, dash attack, f-smash, fair, and Green Missile), and then he had some other moves being stronger and/or functioning differently on top of that (his u-smash had a sweet and sour spot, d-smash and nair launched vertically while being stronger, f-tilt/bair/uair were stronger, dair was a single strong hit that could also meteor smash, he had green Fireballs that weren't affected by gravity, and his Super Jump Punch now went straightup while having its infamous super power fire sweetspot. Then on top of those moves he had very different physics, with his trademark near-nonexistent traction, higher jumps, much slower walking/dashing/air speed, and a significantly floatier falling speed. Luigi was decloned significantly in Melee and was a clear semi-clone at that point.

EDIT: Misread Smash 64 Luigi as Melee Luigi, will keep that portion up for anyone interested in how Melee Luigi differed from Mario.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Maybe they're using third parties to sell DLC this time or something.

That seems like the most reasonable expectation. Wouldn't wanna blow their biggest loads too early, the Internet can only take so many explosions.

 

[Idon]

If you wanna say popular, there's Eight, but that's a bit unfair as he came on the PS2 and outside of DQ11, no game has had the budget that DQ8 has had. On top of its rereleases the game's had quite the long lifespan. He's not Cloud level, but he's recognizable if you like DQ.

However, in terms of importance, it'd probably be Erdrick, the first guy.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'm all for fan service until it sinks to the low of including a completely random character from a completely random game. Not even a protagonist or a classic NES title. Just a random party member from a one-off Mario RPG who never appeared again.

I've never ever actively wanted a character to NOT be in Smash, but adding Geno is just disrespectful. That's where I draw the line when it comes to fan service.

Geno is disrespectful?

Yet he's stayed in the gaming community's mind and been a fan want for a return since 1996 when his game dropped on a system that was on it's way out.

A game that paved the way for Paper Mario on the 64. The sheer fact that a high ranking gaming developer like Sakurai even knows about a one off Mario character in a one off Mario spin-off in 2018, 22 years later? That's not disrespectful to potentially add.

That's nothing short of amazing and shows that you don't have to be a megawatt star to stick around in the back of someone's head.

It's also a show of people loving when Nintendo and Square Enix come together as much as Agnes from Braverly Default requests do or request for Terra Branford or Chrono from Chrono Trigger or even recently, in the way of hype for Octopath Traveler.

Geno is a poster child for people's love for Square and Nintendo's friendship and that's far from disrespectful.

 

[KMDP]

As for Melee Luigi, he had several different moves from Mario (jab finisher, d-tilt, u-tilt, dash attack, f-smash, fair, and Green Missile), and then he had some other moves being stronger and/or functioning differently on top of that (his u-smash had a sweet and sour spot, d-smash and nair launched vertically while being stronger, f-tilt/bair/uair were stronger, dair was a single strong hit that could also meteor smash, he had green Fireballs that weren't affected by gravity, and his Super Jump Punch now went straightup while having its infamous super power fire sweetspot. Then on top of those moves he had very different physics, with his trademark near-nonexistent traction, higher jumps, much slower walking/dashing/air speed, and a significantly floatier falling speed. Luigi was decloned significantly in Melee and was a clear semi-clone at that point.

I was actually talking about 64 Luigi, I should have specified. XD

 

[Will]

I'm all for fan service until it sinks to the low of including a completely random character from a completely random game. Not even a protagonist or a classic NES title. Just a random party member from a one-off Mario RPG who never appeared again.

I've never ever actively wanted a character to NOT be in Smash, but adding Geno is just disrespectful. That's where I draw the line when it comes to fan service.

That doesn't make a lot of sense, considering that probability is in Geno's favor this time around, though that's by default. Cloud is already in Smash, the one blockade that prevented him from being Square's idol representative. Also, it's not disservice or disrespectful if it's huge fan service to include Geno due to his popularity and ever-so close chances to appear. It's another Ridley situation.

While Geno isn't a protagonist, he is the second-most important character in the game story-wise. Without Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario or likely Mario & Luigi would likely never had occured in the ways they do today. Yes, he never appeared again, but guess who also never appeared again?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Geno is disrespectful?

Yet he's stayed in the gaming community's mind and been a fan want for a return since 1996 when his game dropped on a system that was on it's way out.

A game that paved the way for Paper Mario on the 64. The sheer fact that a high ranking gaming developer like Sakurai even knows about a one off Mario character in a one off Mario spin-off in 2018, 22 years later? That's not disrespectful to potentially add.

That's nothing short of amazing and shows that you don't have to be a megawatt star to stick around in the back of someone's head. It's also a show of people loving when Nintendo and Square Enix team up together as much as Agnes from Braverly Default requests do or request for Terra Branford or Chrono from Chrono Trigger.

Geno is a poster child for people's love for Square and Nintendo's friendship and that's far from disrespectful.

I completely disagree.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I don't know anything about Dragon Quest. Can someone tell me who is the mascot hero/protagonist of the series or who is the Cloud of the series? Besides Slime.

Erdrick/Loto (same person) could be considered the "Cloud" of the series, being the protagonist of the highly successful first three games. Most other DQ games have generic, player avatar heroes.

I'm also leaning towards no major iconic third parties either. Smaller ones like Geno perhaps, but the fact E3 came and went without a third party reveal is a little odd to me. Echo or not, someone like Ken or Shadow, etc would have generated hype.

Same for Simon Belmont who seems to be the go to third party this time.

Maybe they're using third parties to sell DLC this time or something.

Ridley was the big hype for E3. Alongside all veterans returning it would've been overkill to announce a major third party They need to keep the hype going, and what better way than with third party reveals leading up to release. I believe we'll see at least one or two besides Geno, with them being revealed particularly close to release.

Why are so many leaks saying July is when the next Direct happens? Are they just guessing? To me, it seems that they are so.

People are desperate for a reveal soon.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Erdrick is the generally the DQ MC you see in parodies alot so i imagine he/she would be the other DQ choice

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If you wanna say popular, there's Eight, but that's a bit unfair as he came on the PS2 and outside of DQ11, no game has had the budget that DQ8 has had. On top of its rereleases the game's had quite the long lifespan. He's not Cloud level, but he's recognizable if you like DQ.

However, in terms of importance, it'd probably be Erdrick, the first guy.

Erdrick/Roto even had a manga named after him, despite having passed on long before the events of the plot occurs.

 

[Deleted member]

You're right. But you know what is inevitable? A Pokemon newcomer from Gen 7.

Honestly, I wouldn't be too sure of that at this point.
While it's very possible another Greninja gambit was made for a Sun & Moon Pokémon, it actually isn't a guarantee by any stretch of the means.

We could just as easily end up not having any Pokémon newcomer with more focus being given to other major fan requests like Ridley, or end up getting an older Pokémon that has its high share of popularity and would otherwise be overlooked in favor of a newer face that fans would not know about when it is chosen for Smash.

 

[SpiralGalaxies]

Is Geno really as popular as we make him out to be? At least nowadays, I know he was super hyped in the brawl days.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I completely disagree.

And you'd be completely offbase and the only one being disrespectful, but go off I guess.

And I don't feel bad for saying you are offbase, because you can't even COUNTER it. You simply just say you disagree.

Which shows to me all I need to know.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

I was actually talking about 64 Luigi, I should have specified. XD

Yeah I just noticed now you said 64 Luigi, my mistake. I don't know too much of Smash 64, but off the top of my head Luigi had his slower floatier movement speed, green Fireballs that weren't affected by gravity, and his Super Jump Punch had the ridiculously stronger fire sweetspot.

 

[CannonStreak]

People are desperate for a reveal soon.

Oh yeah, that. Still, as I say, being desperate for a reveal and guessing a reveal will happen sometime soon...they just don't mix well, if at all.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is Geno really as popular as we make him out to be? At least nowadays, I know he was super hyped in the brawl days.

Sakurai's Geno statement implies he remained a popular request

 

[SpiralGalaxies]

Sakurai's Geno statement implies he remained a popular request

What Geno statement? i must have missed this :o

 

[RileyXY1]

I honestly think that Pokemon is overrepresented. The series already has 9 reps. If a Pokemon newcomer does get in, there will be 10.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Is Geno really as popular as we make him out to be? At least nowadays, I know he was super hyped in the brawl days.

He's on pretty much every other fake leak at the moment, and the Mii Costume last game really seemed to reignite his fanbase.

The day of Ultimate's name and huge roster reveal there was also fan art of Geno going up waiting for his invitation on sites like Tumblr and Deviantart.

So yeah he's come back in a big way from the relatively died down hype before the Mii costume.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Is Geno really as popular as we make him out to be? At least nowadays, I know he was super hyped in the brawl days.

I mean Sakurai literally considered him previously and thats more you can say than most of the characters we all request on here

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Is Geno really as popular as we make him out to be? At least nowadays, I know he was super hyped in the brawl days.

Sakurai officially recognized him as a big fan request despite all the claims it was just a vocal minority on the internet that wanted him (which alongside Sakurai wanting him in as a character since Brawl is what lead to the mii costume in Smash 4), that is as much confirmation as we can get on a character being popular for Smash.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I'm also leaning towards no major iconic third parties either. Smaller ones like Geno perhaps, but the fact E3 came and went without a third party reveal is a little odd to me. Echo or not, someone like Ken or Shadow, etc would have generated hype.

Same for Simon Belmont who seems to be the go to third party this time.

Maybe they're using third parties to sell DLC this time or something.

Ridley was used as the initial big hype character for this game.,whereas that role was filled by third-party characters for Smash 4 and Brawl. If they had a huge third-party character, why wouldn't they reveal them at the biggest event of this year for maximum hype and publicity?

I honestly think that Pokemon is overrepresented. The series already has 9 reps. If a Pokemon newcomer does get in, there will be 10.

Good.

Sakurai officially recognized him as a big fan request despite all the claims it was just a vocal minority on the internet that wanted him (which alongside Sakurai wanting him in as a character since Brawl is what lead to the mii costume in Smash 4), that is as much confirmation as we can get on a character being popular for Smash.

Hmm, people insisting for sure that a character request is only wanted by a vocal minority of the fanbase and that he's too obscure to be generally popular because of a lack of recency? Sounds familiar to me.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That doesn't make a lot of sense, considering that probability is in Geno's favor this time around

No. It's really not.

though that's by default. Cloud is already in Smash

Irrelevant.

the one blockade that prevented him from being Square's idol representative.

Uh, no. The blockade is he's irrelevant.

Also, it's not disservice or disrespectful if it's huge fan service to include Geno due to his popularity and ever-so close chances to appear. It's another Ridley situation.

How is it a Ridley situation? Last time a checked Ridley was an antagonist from a highly popular video game franchise who appeared in numerous games.

While Geno isn't a protagonist, he is the second-most important character in the game story-wise.

Once again, irrelevant.

Without Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario or likely Mario & Luigi would likely never had occured in the ways they do today.

Twice again, i-re-le-vant.

Yes, he never appeared again, but guess who also never appeared again?

How old was Sheik when she was added in Smash? 4 years old? Plus she was attached to Zelda because she IS Zelda. Plus, she's a three time veteran.

So, thrice again, irrelevant.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Oh yeah, that. Still, as I say, being desperate for a reveal and guessing a reveal will happen sometime soon...they just don't mix well.

They kind of do. People are desperate for a reveal, therefore wannabe "leakers" play off of this by "leaking" reveals coming up soon in an attempt to make people get their hopes up.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I honestly think that Pokemon is overrepresented. The series already has 9 reps. If a Pokemon newcomer does get in, there will be 10.

You can't overrepresent Mario or Pokemon.

It's physically impossible. They're the flagship Nintendo franchises. There could be 14 reps each for each franchise in a future game and that'd still be fine.

It'd be like complaining about seeing Mickey Mouse and Disney Princesses in a Disney theme park. No **** there's a lot of them there. That's what Disney/Nintendo makes a lot of their bread and butter off of.

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't know why so many people are requesting Geno. He only appeared in an obscure SNES game.