Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Mc.Rad]

I'm surprised there's a lot of support for Isabell as a character? I'd always thought she was the prime assist trophy character, because you know... secrutiary... It would be kind of a surprise to see her... Stranger things have happened before...

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I'm surprised there's a lot of support for Isabell as a character? I'd always thought she was the prime assist trophy character, because you know... secrutiary... It would be kind of a surprise to see her... Stranger things have happened before...

Animal Crossing New Leaf was my very First Nintendo game, (Before you ask, Yeah, I'm fairly young. Don't worry. I'm not 7 or anything.) And I can say she's a very Popular character. She's basically the series Mascot at this point, and Fans love her. and i do too.

 

[Noipoi]

Of course we're getting news between now and December.
That's like a non-statement, it's obvious.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Interesting information, but it changes absolutely nothing since when a game starts development isn't as important as you think. I mean, Radiant Dawn and Mario Galaxy started development before the Brawl roster was finalized and those two games didn't get much content representation in Brawl, let alone any playable fighters that debuted in those games. Heck, I don't even think Galaxy even got anything in Brawl.

Galaxy didn't even get any stickers in Brawl while it released just a month before Brawl's originally planned release date, and Radiant Dawn just got a few stickers and Sothe's trophy being of his grown up design from RD, while it released ten months before Brawl's originally planned release date. This trend continued in Smash 4, such as Tropical Freeze and Pikmin 3 just having a few trophies in the Wii U version and a couple songs.

However Mario Kart 8 got a stage while it released about six months before Smash Wii U's release, and Yoshi's Wooly World also got a stage despite releasing seven months after Smash Wii U's release. So overall it's certainly possible Arms could get as much as a stage (with its release being over a year before Ultimate's release), but the chances of getting a playable character in the base game are still shot.

 

[Pakky]

Not.... quite.

That "hair" on what's presumably the Inkling... looks more like the "hair" on this particular Octoling.

Octolings have rounded ears

 

[Opossum]

Thanks for the compliment. Then again. Even more FE Reps are the only characters i don't want.
Honestly. I think Ike, Roy, and Marth are pretty solid on their own.

If Fire Emblem were ever knocked down to only three characters I can practically guarantee Roy wouldn't be one of them, to be honest.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Have you guys seen this?:

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...he_shadow_leaker_character_ever_end_up_being/

Apparently, this was posted on June, with the second render possibly being Lloyd Irving.

It's fake

The inkling silhouettes don't match the offical inkling posemyou can't even see inklings left shoulder in the pose

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

If Fire Emblem were ever knocked down to only three characters I can practically guarantee Roy wouldn't be one of them, to be honest.

Sakurai: "Guarantee, you say?"

Have you guys seen this?:

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...he_shadow_leaker_character_ever_end_up_being/

Apparently, this was posted on June, with the second render possibly being Lloyd Irving.

Probably fake tbh, as much as I'd like Lloyd to be in.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

It's fake

The inkling silhouettes don't match the offical inkling posemyou can't even see inklings left shoulder in the pose

There's always the chance the render was modified before this picture was taken. Just saying.

 

[Zinith]

Well I know that Marth and Ike are one of those 2 FE characters that will never go. Don't know about the 3rd one

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Here's a new game. Pick 8 newcomers(Unique or Echo), but they must start with each letter in ULTIMATE. I'l start:

Urbosa
Lloyd Irving
Twintelle
Isabelle
Mach Rider
Ashley
Tatanga
Ephraim

Under the control of Majora, Skull Kid
Link to the Past Ganon
Toad
Iconic for their N64 games, Banjo-Kazooie
Mimikyu
Alrest’s hero, Rex
The amazing King K. Rool
Earthbound’s secondary villain, Porky

That wasn’t so hard

 

[P.Kat]

Well, can't say I was expecting a Direct or any type of news in July (I wish we would of gotten some this month), I mostly expected them to tell us more info in August.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Well I know that Marth and Ike are one of those 2 FE characters that will never go. Don't know about the 3rd one

lucina will never go either

Too popular and easy to put in the game

 

[Mutsukki]

Well I know that Marth and Ike are one of those 2 FE characters that will never go. Don't know about the 3rd one

Ideally Robin, he represents FE as a whole pretty well

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Well I know that Marth and Ike are one of those 2 FE characters that will never go. Don't know about the 3rd one

Probably Robin considering how important Fire Emblem Awakening is to the series.

Or Lucina for the same reason + everybody loves her for some reason even though she's a trash waifu and is grossly overrated

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'm surprised there's a lot of support for Isabell as a character? I'd always thought she was the prime assist trophy character, because you know... secrutiary... It would be kind of a surprise to see her... Stranger things have happened before...

Isabelle is quite frankly the most popular Nintendo character to be introduced that's not an Inkling in recent years. She's her series face now.

There's a lot of support for her because of this.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Of course we're getting news between now and December.
That's like a non-statement, it's obvious.

Yeah i agree. Kinda felt obvious.

Also, I don't get why people say the stage builder sucks, besides, I can make stuff like this!

 

[Cosmic77]

Galaxy didn't even get any stickers in Brawl while it released just a month before Brawl's originally planned release date, and Radiant Dawn just got a few stickers and Sothe's trophy being of his grown up design from RD, while it released ten months before Brawl's originally planned release date. This trend continued in Smash 4, such as Tropical Freeze and Pikmin 3 just having a few trophies in the Wii U version and a couple songs.

However Mario Kart 8 got a stage while it released about six months before Smash Wii U's release, and Yoshi's Wooly World also got a stage despite releasing seven months after Smash Wii U's release. So overall it's possible Arms could certainly get as much as a stage (with its release being over a year before Ultimate's release), but the chances of getting a playable character in the base game are still shot.

To be fair, a lot of people during Smash 4's speculation automatically ruled out the Wii U games getting many stages because development started long before the Wii U was even released. Despite that, we still got Mushroom Kingdom U, Gamer, Garden of Hope, Mario Circuit, and Wooly World.

It's highly unlikely, yes, but I don't think a character's chances are "shot" just because they debuted after development started. Even if Greninja/a Pokémon rep was planned from the beginning of Smash 4's development, Sakurai has shown us that he's more than capable of adding characters after development has started. He claims to be less stressed out over this game than he was with the previous entries, so if he thinks he has the time and resources available, I could see him adding someone like Spring Man later in development. Like you said, he'd have well over a year and a half to work on the character.

Well I know that Marth and Ike are one of those 2 FE characters that will never go. Don't know about the 3rd one

Basically repeating what everyone else has said, but Marth, Ike, and Robin should never go.

As much as people hate to hear this, Corrin should be the next priority if we're shooting for four.

 

[Mutsukki]

It's fake

The inkling silhouettes don't match the offical inkling posemyou can't even see inklings left shoulder in the pose

Actually it does, here's how it looks in-game
https://prnt.sc/k6j725

However! The cropping is wrong and there's almost no good frames to take when the characters don't have their eyes glowing, no rock particle effect either. Or this was takeng very early, or it's fake (I'm definitely betting fake)

EDIT: picture wasn't going through for some reason

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

If Fire Emblem were ever knocked down to only three characters I can practically guarantee Roy wouldn't be one of them, to be honest.

Hey, I don't know what characters people like! xD

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Sakurai is just gonna add Lloyd, Isabelle, Geno, K. Rool, Monster Hunter, Ashley, and Tails.

Then grin a **** eating grin and go ''It was all in front of you the last go round you idiots."

Id be really happy with that tbh

That would mean Heihachi, Akira, Jacky and Federation Force soldier would be in too.

 

[Pyra]

Sakurai is just gonna add Lloyd, Isabelle, Geno, K. Rool, Monster Hunter, Ashley, and Tails.

Then grin a **** eating grin and go ''It was all in front of you the last go round you idiots."

I wouldn't me even a little shocked about that honestly, haha.

 

[Noipoi]

Sakurai is just gonna add Lloyd, Isabelle, Geno, K. Rool, Monster Hunter, Ashley, and Tails.

Then grin a **** eating grin and go ''It was all in front of you the last go round you idiots."

Best case scenario

 

[Makai Wars]

I wish we could all be like that... then again, I realistically have some characters that would make me mad if they were in and I also don't have to bring up Fire Emblem at this point since everybody knows that story

Thanks for the compliment. Then again. Even more FE Reps are the only characters i don't want.
Honestly. I think Ike, Roy, and Marth are pretty solid on their own.

FE's good with like 3 or 4 I'd say.
Marth/Lucina, Ike, Robin and then the new FE protag from Three Houses (if they get in)

Roy actually works better as an alt skin considering his gimmick is more a detriment than anything, and Corrin is STILL GETTING BASHED years after his reveal while also placing low in FE:H polls, he clearly didn't take off like Roy did, who at least has memes and seniority to back him up.
I also agree with the sentiment of "I'm good with literally any newcomer as long as it's not Fire Emblem oh my god there are other series that have fans too why do we continue to appeal to this one niche"

 

[Blargg888]

Yeah i agree. Kinda felt obvious.

Also, I don't get why people say the stage builder sucks, besides, I can make stuff like this!
View attachment 153148

I remember making and posting a ton of stages back during the Smash 4 days.
Some of my favorites are "64 Amalgam", "Box in the Box", "Reversed Battlefield", "Really Big Battlefield", "Bullet Hell", "Tricky Triangles", "Vertical Vitriol", and "9".

I wonder how Stage Builder will be this time around.

I hope they can find a good compromise between Brawl and Smash 4's builders. They both had problems, but they were both still pretty fun to play with.

 

[Will]

If Fire Emblem were ever knocked down to only three characters I can practically guarantee Roy wouldn't be one of them, to be honest.

You could honestly cut it down so short and just have :ultrobin and it'd be acceptable.

 

[EchoAegis]

If Fire Emblem were ever knocked down to only three characters I can practically guarantee Roy wouldn't be one of them, to be honest.

It's quite obvious who the third character would be.

 

[Mc.Rad]

I also agree with the sentiment of "I'm good with literally any newcomer as long as it's not Fire Emblem oh my god there are other series that have fans too why do we continue to appeal to this one niche"

I feel really bad for F-Zero, because not only did Smash help F-Zero get popular... but Smash literally did nothing for it at the same time except for having Captain Falcon. I really do hope that based on personality statement is true because if you get to parts of F-Zero games where the characters get to do things, they're honestly enjoyable. Especially this moment right here with Zoda https://youtu.be/Yh896ncAe6M?t=3m59s, God F-Zero GX is so underrated

 

[TimidKitsune129]

FE's good with like 3 or 4 I'd say.
Marth/Lucina, Ike, Robin and then the new FE protag from Three Houses (if they get in)

Roy actually works better as an alt skin considering his gimmick is more a detriment than anything, and Corrin is STILL GETTING BASHED years after his reveal while also placing low in FE:H polls, he clearly didn't take off like Roy did, who at least has memes and seniority to back him up.
I also agree with the sentiment of "I'm good with literally any newcomer as long as it's not Fire Emblem oh my god there are other series that have fans too why do we continue to appeal to this one niche"

If by low placing you mean 9th place, then yeah.

People love downplaying Corrin here but they clearly have a fanbase if they’ve gotten top 10 in pretty much every official poll.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

It's quite obvious who the third character would be.

My gosh. That's not a sight I'd want to wake up too.
Not a sight I want to see in general, really.

 

[Will]

Honestly I see FE being cut and streamlined into three separate characters for a """perfect balance""".

: First boy, main boy, has the plot weapon sword, makes good sense.

[FE7 Character]: Marks the game that saw international release, pretty big. Lyndis or Hector most likely unless Eliwood really wants to **** people up.

Represents NU Emblem, Awakening's revival of the series, and the customizable avatar character. Probably has the most FE in FE characters in his moves.

That's just my opinion though.

 

[Opossum]

FE's good with like 3 or 4 I'd say.
Marth/Lucina, Ike, Robin and then the new FE protag from Three Houses (if they get in)

Roy actually works better as an alt skin considering his gimmick is more a detriment than anything, and Corrin is STILL GETTING BASHED years after his reveal while also placing low in FE:H polls, he clearly didn't take off like Roy did, who at least has memes and seniority to back him up.
I also agree with the sentiment of "I'm good with literally any newcomer as long as it's not Fire Emblem oh my god there are other series that have fans too why do we continue to appeal to this one niche"

Female Corrin placed as one of the top ten favorite female characters in the franchise on the first Heroes poll. It's only the male version that's unpopular (and even then he got like 40th out of 800-ish).

 

[Omega Tyrant]

To be fair, a lot of people during Smash 4's speculation automatically ruled out the Wii U games getting many stages because development started long before the Wii U was even released. Despite that, we still got Mushroom Kingdom U, Gamer, Garden of Hope, Mario Circuit, and Wooly World.

It's highly unlikely, yes, but I don't think a character's chances are "shot" just because they debuted after development started. Even if Greninja/a Pokémon rep was planned from the beginning of Smash 4's development, Sakurai has shown us that he's more than capable of adding characters after development has started. He claims to be less stressed out over this game than he was with the previous entries, so if he thinks he has the time and resources available, I could see him adding someone like Spring Man later in development. Like you said, he'd have well over a year and a half to work on the character.

I don't remember people saying there wouldn't be Wii U stages, people were especially poorly grasped on developmental timelines and its implications back then (such as Tropical Freeze being used as reasoning for why Dixie Kong was a likely newcomer in Smash 4), but regardless a stage is a lot less developmentally-intensive than a playable character. And people got to stop bringing up Greninja as evidence for Arms/Xenoblade 2/etc. getting a playable character; first as stated by Sakurai himself a placeholder for a future inclusion was an exception made just for Pokemon, conversely he stated Robin probably wouldn't have been in Smash 4 if Awakening released just six months later (for reference Awakening released in Japan just a month before Smash 4's roster was decided). Additionally, Greninja was still decided very early on before he was even revealed publicly (with Sakurai's only references for him being concept art), Greninja was not made mid-development. Also from Sakurai's words, a new playable character takes over a year to create, that is not something you can just squeeze into development right in the middle of it, a whole new unique character is not getting added mid-development that isn't a case as special as Brawl Sonic's, especially not in the age of DLC when you can just wait until DLC instead of delaying your game for a single character.

Whether it's deciding an inclusion for an Arms character back in December 2015 or deciding to add an Arms character mid-development, either scenario not occurring is about as certain as you can get for a character's exclusion that wasn't flatout disconfirmed. The only scenario an Arms character still makes it in is if Sakurai decided to make one a clone, which doesn't seem possible as no character on the roster is a good cloning base for them.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

So out of the blue, Sakurai lands in front of you, gives you a list of 5 newcomers and ask you to design up to 5 official art poster ala Smash 4 of the newcomers, in return he'll pay you for the artwork, give you Ultimate autographed by himself before anyone else and a free seasons pass of the game. Whether you just awakened your latent artistic abilities, or low key asks someone to draw it for you, who's on the list of newcomers you got, and what would their Smash posters look like? What's your vision?

Oh this is fun to think about. Only got three, though...
1. Dovahkiin. As if I haven't said that enough in this thread...

I have a few cool ideas for his artwork...all of them using Ridley as the dragon, and then substituting characters like the Zelda or Fire Emblem characters in for some of the other fighters.​

Spoiler: Alduin's Wall...or at least the rightmost section of it

Spoiler: The Heroes of Skyrim Legends artwork

2. K.Rool

His art could spin from his game artwork. Of course, he'd need to be brought into greater prominence, but the ideas of the Kongs running away would be good. Again, the Kongs in the DK64 art could be replaced with Yoshi, Mario, Villager, or other chibi-styled characters, while the Kremilings in the DKC2 art could be replaced by more villaionous characters like BJ or Wario.​

Spoiler: DKC2 Boxart

Spoiler: DK64 boxart

3. Urbosa

I think the easiest for her would be the promo art for the Champion's Ballad, with DK taking the place of Daruk, Falco for Revali, and the Inkling for Mipha. Zelda could either be replaced for Peach or get her new LBW/LttP design.​

Spoiler: Champion's Ballad Art

 

[Swamp Sensei]

FE's good with like 3 or 4 I'd say.
Marth/Lucina, Ike, Robin and then the new FE protag from Three Houses (if they get in)

Roy actually works better as an alt skin considering his gimmick is more a detriment than anything, and Corrin is STILL GETTING BASHED years after his reveal while also placing low in FE:H polls, he clearly didn't take off like Roy did, who at least has memes and seniority to back him up.
I also agree with the sentiment of "I'm good with literally any newcomer as long as it's not Fire Emblem oh my god there are other series that have fans too why do we continue to appeal to this one niche"

Eh?

Corrin is still one of the most popular Fire Emblem characters.

The huge poll has one version of Corrin as the fifth most popular female, and I believe they were 9th overall in a poll of literally hundreds.

Corrin did pull it off. They're just so divisive tha it skews perception.

It's like saying Camilla isn't popular because tons of people hate her, yet she still tops almost every poll.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

What have i started...

 

[Will]

What have i started...

literally nothing

 

[Troykv]

Are we in the Saturday of Fire Emblem hate?

 

[Opossum]

In a perfect world where a three-character Fire Emblem roster was decided by me and only me, it'd be Marth, Celica, and Chrom. My three favorite lords from my three favorite Fire Emblem games, with Marth having his current set, Chrom having a weapon switching mechanic to alternate between Falchion and a lance, and Celica focusing on her freehand magic spells that cause recoil the more powerful they are, with the Beloved Zofia acting as a conduit or guiding baton.

Then again if I called the shots Fire Emblem would have a lot more than three characters lol.

 

[Makai Wars]

Corrin is still one of the most popular Fire Emblem characters.

People love downplaying Corrin here but they clearly have a fanbase if they’ve gotten top 10 in pretty much every official poll.

Female Corrin placed as one of the top ten favorite female characters in the franchise on the first Heroes poll.

No one here has said anything about how Corrin is still one of if not the most avidly disliked characters in the roster among Smash fans. If we're talking about downsizing the amount of FE in Smash (in like...Smash 6, I guess?) Corrin makes sense to be at the front of the line.