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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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what do u think would be the most out there choice for a newcomer in smash swich or smash 5 (although keep it in the realm of possibility)
First of all, welcome to the forums! Second, Ridley if the game's a port, if not a port, then... Style Savvy. Style Savvy's a popular franchise but it wouldn't be easy having a fashion designer in a fighting game. I made a moveset once though idk if it could be considered any good
Midair Flamethrower is actually pretty great Gwen.

Flamethrower can net a lot of easy damage and has a big hitbox.
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For a Pokemon boss, I'd like to the Red Gyarados. The Pokemon has been something to be feared since the beginning and its shiny form is the most famous shiny pokemon out there. And because it'd be the Red one, it'd give gen 2 some love.
 

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First of all, welcome to the forums! Second, Ridley if the game's a port, if not a port, then... Style Savvy. Style Savvy's a popular franchise but it wouldn't be easy having a fashion designer in a fighting game. I made a moveset once though idk if it could be considered any good

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if it were my choice id choose cooking mama as she could use close range attacks and would most likely be a fun but annoying character to deal with
 

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if it were my choice id choose cooking mama as she could use close range attacks and would most likely be a fun but annoying character to deal with
The only thing that might throw a wrench into it is the fact that Cooking Mama is a third party character, and one with few requests and little fighting game appeal, at that.
 

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My most out there but semi possible character? Probably Qbby from Boxboy. He had three games, a Japan only amiibo, and a unique playstyle with the boxes (I think. I've never played BoxBoy). On that same note, I'd really like Badge Bunny from Badge Arcade, but he's REALLY unlikely.

Semi related (but not really), would Hessonite or Squaridot from SU: Save the Light hypothetically be able to get in smash? It's a Steven Universe tie in game, but those two are characters created for his game specifically. (This is hypothetical, there's no chance either would get in.
 

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Nikki or Arcade Bunny seem like outside choices that still reside in the realm of possibility, and are relevant yet wtf enough for Sakurai.
 

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WTF characters?

I'm gonna say...

Nintendog.

No reason why, I just like puppers.
 

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what do u think would be the most out there choice for a newcomer in smash swich or smash 5 (although keep it in the realm of possibility)
Honestly, maybe Doom Slayer, Blazcowitz, or Dragonborn. They're all relevant to Nintendo and they all have a legacy and history with Nintendo.

So, yeah, possible but out there.

Edit: ohh we're talking WTF characters? My B. I dunno. I'd say a snipperclip or something.
 
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Depends how you define WTF characters. Ones you wouldn't see coming(Cloud)? Or ones that are kind of odd in their own unique way(Wii Fit Trainer).
 

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Edit: ohh we're talking WTF characters? My B. I dunno. I'd say a snipperclip or something.
Not sure about going all the way to being a character, but a stage based on Snipperclips is something I definitely see happening. It keeps on topping the Switch eShop charts around the world and is getting an updated version, and well, I think it lends itself well for being a stage.

As for a WTF-character, I don't really know haha. I briefly thought of 1-2-Switch when thinking of any recent Wii Fit-like scenarios, as it is one of the best selling Switch games at the moment, but it doesn't really have any single, recognizable character really (again, I could rather see a stage based on it).
I think Minecraft Steve would create somewhat of a "wtf"-feel to me at least, yeah he's from a huge and widely known/praised game, but still. He's non-Nintendo as well so not really in the same place as other options.
 
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Not sure about going all the way to being a character, but a stage based on Snipperclips is something I definitely see happening. It keeps on topping the Switch eShop charts around the world and is getting an updated version, and well, I think it lends itself well for being a stage.

As for a WTF-character, I don't really know haha. I briefly thought of 1-2-Switch when thinking of any recent Wii Fit-like scenarios, as it is one of the best selling Switch games at the moment, but it doesn't really have any single, recognizable character really (again, I could rather see a stage based on it).
I think Minecraft Steve would create somewhat of a "wtf"-feel to me at least, yeah he's from a huge and widely known/praised game, but still. He's non-Nintendo as well so not really in the same place as other options.
i can also believe that snipperclips would have a stage and id do have an idea on how it would work. I can imagine that the two snipperclip characters would come on stage and cut each other and if you got in the middle of them when they cut you'd go flying across the stage

Depends how you define WTF characters. Ones you wouldn't see coming(Cloud)? Or ones that are kind of odd in their own unique way(Wii Fit Trainer).
i would say odd in their own unique way like pac man
 
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Unexpected, unusual, yet plausible?

Well...I actually think Geno might have a better shot now than he's been getting credit for. He was never going to be the first Square-Enix character in Smash; that was always going to be someone from Final Fantasy. But with Cloud opening the door, and since we know thanks to Ryu that third party companies can double up on characters if there're compelling enough reasons to, the option is on the table now. And since we also learned a couple years ago that Geno actually did get a look for Brawl to some extent, and that Sakurai seems to like him as a character, maybe the stars might align for this rumored Switch version.

His lack of relevance would be a huge issue normally, but guest fighters seem to follow different guidelines. Rather than having the spotlight on them lately, it seems to be more about how iconic they are. Would Geno's status as a breakout character from a cult classic be enough to measure up to that, now that Nintendo and Square-Enix are working closely together again in ways they didn't for over 15 years? Who knows, maybe this is one wish that may be granted after all.

I even have an idea for how his trailer could play out, but that's a different story...

I think Minecraft Steve would create somewhat of a "wtf"-feel to me at least, yeah he's from a huge and widely known/praised game, but still. He's non-Nintendo as well so not really in the same place as other options.
Honestly...in the long run, I wouldn't rule him out. I've seen Steve get a lot of crap for being the new guy on the block and being from a game whose biggest demographic is a few years younger than a lot of Smashers, but with how much more willing Microsoft has been to extend an olive branch to Nintendo, he may well be a long shot candidate. I wouldn't jump the gun and pencil Steve in right now, but if things keep going the way they are and the next fully new Smash game (as opposed to the rumored "Smash 4.5") comes around in 2022 or whenever...who knows?
 
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Biggest WTF character? Mario Rabbit. I could see them opt for such a silly addition.
 

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what do u think would be the most out there choice for a newcomer in smash swich or smash 5 (although keep it in the realm of possibility)
Scrapping Sonic's rushed and underdeveloped moveset and replacing him with Sonic & Tails as an ice climber-like duo. Maybe even having the controlls optionally halfed so each character is controlled by a different player, utilising the switches main detachable controllers, making all modes co op. It wouldnt be the optimal thing to do but fun with a friend.
 
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IMO the best WTF addition is one of the playable characters in Snipperclips. I have no idea how they'd fight, but it would make me happy because from what I played of the game I love it.
Arcade Bunny
That's still a thing? Not that I'd object, it's just that I got the impression that his fanbase kind of... died.
 

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Does Greninja deserve to be in Smash, or should he be cut? Sure, he represents the water starters, but is that really something that deserves representation when only Greninja is the best out of 3 out of all of them?
 

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Does Greninja deserve to be in Smash, or should he be cut? Sure, he represents the water starters, but is that really something that deserves representation when only Greninja is the best out of 3 out of all of them?
Greninja offers a fun and functional moveset with loads of uniqueness. Being a starter Pokémon already gives him a great deal of popularity, and even among them Greninja is among the more popular ones (and is easily the most popular Kalos one). GameFreak and TPCI push him quite a bit. He broke the trend of not letting Ash's non-Krabby Water types evolve by evolving not once, but twice, most likely due to Greninja's popularity. He got a special form in Ash-Greninja, which later was given out as a special bonus on the Sun and Moon demo. Now in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, Greninja is obtainable yet again as an Island Scan Pokémon, and was given special attention in the latest trailer.

Greninja is wholly deserving, and anyone who may say otherwise is kind of kidding themselves. Honestly, his case is a lot stronger now than during Smash 4 itself, where Sakurai hand picked him before X and Y came out because he liked the design and thought it'd make a cool fighter.
 
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Does Greninja deserve to be in Smash, or should he be cut? Sure, he represents the water starters, but is that really something that deserves representation when only Greninja is the best out of 3 out of all of them?
I'd say it does.
It was owned by Ash in the anime, was placed 1st on the Pokemon poll in Japan, and even got its own form in the anime/Sun and Moon demo. It's the poster boy for the Gen 6 basically.
also if you cut my boy greninja i will track down your adress
 

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Does Greninja deserve to be in Smash, or should he be cut? Sure, he represents the water starters, but is that really something that deserves representation when only Greninja is the best out of 3 out of all of them?
There's no way he's the most popular Pokemon overall (counting people who aren't hardcore fans, etc) but among Japanese fans of the series he's ranked as the most popular, so yes, I'd say he's more than deserving.
 

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Does Greninja deserve to be in Smash, or should he be cut? Sure, he represents the water starters, but is that really something that deserves representation when only Greninja is the best out of 3 out of all of them?
Well, first of all, that's a claim that only fits your opinion. Second, Greninja's easily the most popular pokemon from his generation, and a popular Starter pokemon period. While he was added just because he looked cool in concept art and the fact Sakurai wanted a Kalos pokemon, he has earned his merits
 

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If Greninja deserves to be in because of his popularity, what are some other known and liked Pokemon that deserve to be in?
 

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That's still a thing? Not that I'd object, it's just that I got the impression that his fanbase kind of... died.
It was implied that he'd have a job somewhere else iirc. He could probably become one of Nikki's animal friends pretty easily.

For plausible characters just in the out there area, Nikki and Style Savvy are ones I'd love to see. They got great potential and the places they come from are well known, though like WFT they lack the push from the Smash demographic. Snipperclips would probably be the most out there, finding a workable moveset however would probably be a nightmare.
Does Greninja deserve to be in Smash, or should he be cut? Sure, he represents the water starters, but is that really something that deserves representation when only Greninja is the best out of 3 out of all of them?
I find his moveset rather lackluster and I certainly wouldn't miss him if he was gone, but his popularity means he's probably sticking around for a while. I wonder who's more likely to stick around longer though: Greninja or Charizard?
If Greninja deserves to be in because of his popularity, what are some other known and liked Pokemon that deserve to be in?
There are tons of viable and popular pokemon out there, From Decidueye to Scizor to Chansey. For the next smash though, likely only the popular Gen 7 pokemon we covered a while back along with a potential Gen 8.
 

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If Greninja deserves to be in because of his popularity, what are some other known and liked Pokemon that deserve to be in?
Unfortunately this is something impossible to predict, as Sakurai decided Greninja would be in Smash long before we even knew Pokemon X and Y existed. The process was that Sakurai asks the Pokemon company if they're working on new Pokemon they want to promote


Also something bugged me about Kirby's moveset and I finally know what. Final Cutter. It's not a good portrayal of the Cutter ability nor the Cutter ability's inspiration, Ultra Seven. I feel it was only chosen because it's an attack that goes upwards, but there's quite a few abilities that could be used instead for an upwards attack. Hell, even Sword could just have the same attack but with a different animation
 
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Unpopular opinion: Greninja was my most hyped newcomer in Sm4sh.
Pokemon Y was fresh on my memory at the time (It was my first Pokemon game, and it was before I played previous games in the series), and I never knew how much I wanted Greninja.
Then I read somewhere (I wasn't following the Sm4sh hype train at the time) that Greninja is a newcomer.
I watched the trailer and died, the end
IDK about you guys but I'd be super depressed if he got cut.
 
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The chances of Greninja being cut is very unlikely.

Remember when everyone said Lucario would be cut out during pre-Smash 4? The dev team seem to cut characters who who are seen as redundant (Toon Link over Young Link for example), license/development issues, or just sometimes because they don't have enough time. The smash team tend to try and add as many of the previous cast they can.
 

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Lark from Piolotwings is IMO the best choice for the next WTF character.

He could be the anti-:4littlemac:. Great in the air but a slouch on ground.
 
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Lark from Piolotwings is IMO the best choice for the next WTF character.

He could be the anti-:4littlemac:. Great in the air but a slouch on ground.
We technically already have that. :4jigglypuff:
 

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We technically already have that. :4jigglypuff:
Puff still has a mean ground game and has plenty of options on ground.

Lark would be as helpless as :4littlemac:is when he's in the air. Think of how crappy Mac is in the air and that's Lark on ground.

Basically his entire playstyle would have to be fighting in the air or he'll get bodied.
 

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Jigglypuff is kind of similar to an anti-Little Mac in concept, but in practice it doesn't work out that way because she's a lot less extreme than Little Mac is, she's the worst character on the ground but it's nowhere near as bad as Little Mac's air game, and her air game isn't anywhere near as strong as Little Mac's ground game, partially because she isn't intended to be as polarized as Little Mac and partially because of some questionable balancing decisions.

what do u think would be the most out there choice for a newcomer in smash swich or smash 5 (although keep it in the realm of possibility)
I'm going to go with the Plasm Wraith from Pikmin, it's main appearance is probably "too big" but this thing is a shape-shifter that can change it's own size at will so that really shouldn't matter much, it's the closest thing the series has to an main antagonist (Strongly implied to be the reason why Olimar crashes in at least one of the games (and most likely all of the main series ones) which sets up the plot in all the games + it's the Final Boss in 3), and has an a lot of unique tricks to use for an moveset.
 
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I prefer the utility of Flare Blitz more. It also works with Charizard's design more. A fast but hard hitting heavy with some super armor trump cards.

Besides, as someone who mains Charizard, Dragon Rush isn't very good against someone with a brain. You can use Flare Blitz more effectively in more situations anyways.

Netting the kill and regaining stage control > A multihit move that does decent damage
Unfortunately, Flare Blitz is not a safe move to use, since fighters can simply block Flare Blitz, causing Charizard to take the full recoil damage without even giving its target a scratch.

Dragon Rush may not be as powerful as Flare Blitz or Blast Burn, but dealing no recoil damage does help, and it's a better recovery move overall. However, it can be interrupted by even the weakest attacks, due to not having any armor properties.
 

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Unexpected, unusual, yet plausible?

Well...I actually think Geno might have a better shot now than he's been getting credit for. He was never going to be the first Square-Enix character in Smash; that was always going to be someone from Final Fantasy. But with Cloud opening the door, and since we know thanks to Ryu that third party companies can double up on characters if there're compelling enough reasons to, the option is on the table now. And since we also learned a couple years ago that Geno actually did get a look for Brawl to some extent, and that Sakurai seems to like him as a character, maybe the stars might align for this rumored Switch version.

His lack of relevance would be a huge issue normally, but guest fighters seem to follow different guidelines. Rather than having the spotlight on them lately, it seems to be more about how iconic they are. Would Geno's status as a breakout character from a cult classic be enough to measure up to that, now that Nintendo and Square-Enix are working closely together again in ways they didn't for over 15 years? Who knows, maybe this is one wish that may be granted after all.

I even have an idea for how his trailer could play out, but that's a different story...
From what I know, Geno is a viable option from Square Enix. Super Mario RPG is indeed a cult classic title like you said Delzethin, and I think Geno wouldn't be the only thing that is/was lifted from that game. Mario is capable of using fireballs without fire flowers in Super Mario RPG, but his fireballs operated like red/orange ones in the Mario Bros. arcade title. Aside from that Super Mario RPG trivia, Geno got some popularity and even briefly looked at by Sakurai like you said. I think it would come down to if Sakurai/Smash development team still wants him enough and Square Enix is willing to license Geno.

Edit: I think I may have erred on Mario's fireball mechanics. That actually is from the Super Mario Bros.
 
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Unfortunately, Flare Blitz is not a safe move to use, since fighters can simply block Flare Blitz, causing Charizard to take the full recoil damage without even giving its target a scratch.

Dragon Rush may not be as powerful as Flare Blitz or Blast Burn, but dealing no recoil damage does help, and it's a better recovery move overall. However, it can be interrupted by even the weakest attacks, due to not having any armor properties.
I mean, you shouldn't use it when they can block.

It's a punishing move not a poke.
 
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