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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Simply by both being controllable giants. Granted, we have characters with similar final smash's, so it's probably not that big of a deal.
The main issue is that Giga Bowser has full access to Bowser's moves, on a much larger scale (which fits with the Giga Mac & Wario-Man family), while the T-Rex Mario would be limited to lunging and biting, although you could add a tail swipe or a stomp attack to deal massive damage (similar to the Super Sonic family of Final Smashes).

Anyway, I'm more than certain that Super Mario Odyssey will be heavily represented in the next game, with multiple stages (New Donk Festival, Ruined Kingdom, Bowser's Kingdom), lots of music and trophies, and alternate costumes for Bowser and Mario.
 

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So....

I'm curious...

What would your reactions be if we got a Smash Bros 4 Port with extra content but part of that content is...

+Newcomer Jill Valentine
+Stage: Queen Zenobia Stage (and all music that would come with it)
+Albert Wesker Assist Trophy
+Various Resident Evil Trophies

Newcomer: Crash Bandicoot
+ Stage: Wumpa Island Tour Stage (and all music that would come with it)
+ Dr. Neo Cortext Assist Trophy
+Aku Aku Mask Item
+Various Crash Bandicoot Trophies

+Newcomer: Doom Slayer
+ Stage: UAC Facility Stage (and all music that would come with it)
+Olivia Pierce Assist Trophy
+Various Doom Trophies

+Newcomer: Heihachi Mishima
+ Stage: Pagoda Temple (and all music that would come with it)
+Kuma Assist Trophy
+Various Tekken Trophies
Heihachi Mishima would be really hype for me personally since I got into games as a kid because of Tekken, though I'd prefer Jin a bit since he's my main in the series.

I doubt we'd get a third Capcom character, but so many of them would be good choices, aside from the obvious Mega Man and Street Fighter characters. They really should make a NvC one day or something.

Doom guy would be fun, but you'd have to turn down the gore. Luckily he's got enough fantasy guns that it shouldn't be too hard to have him still use those. Crash would be easy to work with.
 
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Amaterasu is the only choice for a Capcom character.

But yes, Heiachi is much more likely.
Should I tell him?

Nah I'm not gonna tell him.
 
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So....

I'm curious...

What would your reactions be if we got a Smash Bros 4 Port with extra content but part of that content is...

+Newcomer Jill Valentine
+Stage: Queen Zenobia Stage (and all music that would come with it)
+Albert Wesker Assist Trophy
+Various Resident Evil Trophies

Newcomer: Crash Bandicoot
+ Stage: Wumpa Island Tour Stage (and all music that would come with it)
+ Dr. Neo Cortext Assist Trophy
+Aku Aku Mask Item
+Various Crash Bandicoot Trophies

+Newcomer: Doom Slayer
+ Stage: UAC Facility Stage (and all music that would come with it)
+Olivia Pierce Assist Trophy
+Various Doom Trophies

+Newcomer: Heihachi Mishima
+ Stage: Pagoda Temple (and all music that would come with it)
+Kuma Assist Trophy
+Various Tekken Trophies
For Jill Valentine, I would be like "Cool, we got a Resident Evil character." I can't really say much else on that.

On Crash Bandicoot, I can say he'd be fun if done right. I hope some of the classic trilogy music in the stage would be there.

On the Doom Slayer, I can say "We got another gaming history maker in Smash". He's not the only who could come in from Id Software, though. B.J Blazkowicz could come as a fighter or as a trophy, considering Classic Doom and Classic Wolfenstein had been tied together in continuity via mobile games. I would hope all iterations of Doom make it in with the Doom Slayer (Classic games via "Doomguy" and Doom 3's "Doomguy", too!)

On Heihachi Mishima, I would be happy for a Tekken character and Heihachi Mishima being reconsidered. He's got blend of serious and goofiness that would stand out and be very enjoyable. I'd definitely try out a playable Heihachi.
 
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Ok, so what's everyone's thoughts on The Big 3? Being Isaac, K. Rool, and Ridley.

I'm really wondering if their popularity is diminishing or not. It would be a shame if so because those 3 we're all over the place in the Wii U speculation and it's rosters that came along with it. People thought K. Rool was going to win the ballot for sure.
 

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How I'd probably feel about each (I like this shortened reaction thing people are doing):
Jill: "Eh, cool."
Crash: "Oh nice. :)"
Doom Guy: "Ugh..."
Heihachi: "Huh, interesting..."
Isaac: "Yaaay! Whoooo! Finally!"
K. Rool: "Yay for the K. Rool fans! :)"
Ridley: "Huh, okay."
 
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Ok, so what's everyone's thoughts on The Big 3? Being Isaac, K. Rool, and Ridley.

I'm really wondering if their popularity is diminishing or not. It would be a shame if so because those 3 we're all over the place in the Wii U speculation and it's rosters that came along with it. People thought K. Rool was going to win the ballot for sure.
All of them are long overdue for Smash. I'm not even sure why Isaac's assist trophy was cut for Smash 4 when it's not like Ray or Excitebiker, where a bunch of objects are spawned in a short time frame. I've barely even played Golden Sun and I can tell that Isaac has a ton to work with and would be far more than a standard RPG sword fighter in Smash, while Ridley and K. Rool go without saying. There's no excuse for not including K. Rool, and I feel like people get Ridley confused with Kraid at times.
 

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and I feel like people get Ridley confused with Kraid at times.
I wouldn't be all that excited about Ridley, perhaps, but Ridley > Kraid any day, my word. LOL Just thinking about what it would be like to have Kraid as a playable character makes me laugh, no offense to any who may want him as more than a stage gimmick and trophy, but it's a pretty funny mental image to me.
 
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Ok, so what's everyone's thoughts on The Big 3? Being Isaac, K. Rool, and Ridley.
Couldn't care less about Isaac and whether he is included or excluded.

I've lost interest in K. Rool over time. Wouldn't mind if he was in, but I won't lose sleep if he's not.

Ridley would be cool, but is never going to happen at this point. In the off chance that he does, I would much prefer Meta/Proteus Ridley; a cyborg space dragon is cooler than a regular space dragon.
 
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Ok, so what's everyone's thoughts on The Big 3? Being Isaac, K. Rool, and Ridley.

I'm really wondering if their popularity is diminishing or not. It would be a shame if so because those 3 we're all over the place in the Wii U speculation and it's rosters that came along with it. People thought K. Rool was going to win the ballot for sure.
K.Rool and Isaac haven't seen a game in, what? 7 years? Yeah, they're going to need more than that.

Ridley was denied directly by Sakurai this time, not holding my breath for him ever again.
 

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Most likely a Wii U/3DS port, but if it's a new game it seems it would have to be a 2018-2019 game, more like a Smash Bros 4.5 maybe.
 

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Ok, so what's everyone's thoughts on The Big 3? Being Isaac, K. Rool, and Ridley.

I'm really wondering if their popularity is diminishing or not. It would be a shame if so because those 3 we're all over the place in the Wii U speculation and it's rosters that came along with it. People thought K. Rool was going to win the ballot for sure.
I'd say they're all still pretty unlikely. Isaac hasn't been seen for over a decade, and was even removed from being an AT, K.Rool also disappeared for a decade and has to fight the more relevant Dixie and Cranky when they all probably offer the same amount of unique potential, and Ridley's still too big and skinny to work well.
 
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Ok, so what's everyone's thoughts on The Big 3? Being Isaac, K. Rool, and Ridley.

I'm really wondering if their popularity is diminishing or not. It would be a shame if so because those 3 we're all over the place in the Wii U speculation and it's rosters that came along with it. People thought K. Rool was going to win the ballot for sure.
I kinda hopped on to the K. Rool bandwagon during the ballot days, but I stuck around and he remains one of my most wanted characters. I did play DKC1 about year ago and had fun, and K. Rool sure has potential. And I think some people underestimate his chances - I mean, he got achknowledged as a Mii costume, and I feel like the reason why Sakurai didn't include him as DLC was because he was not a character that would win over the casual audience due to his irrelevance and relative obscurity, despite wanting to include him for his fans. IDK, maybe I'm reading too much into it. At the very least, I'd like to have Gangplank Galleon as a stage.

Ridley is another character I want, but mostly because I feel that a Metroid character that's not Samus is long overdue. Ridley would be my first pick because of his popularity (And also because I actually played a game that has him in it), but I'll settle with anyone else that's not a Federation Marine, because it's pointless to hold my breath for him due to Sakurai's statement.

Isaac is a character I lack any sort of connection to, since I haven't played Golden Sun yet, but Earth Magic would make for a nice moveset, and he's damn popular, so I do want him in. I hope his series gets a revival or something to make him relevant.

tl;dr I want all of them in mostly for their fans, but I accept that they're unlikely.
 

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Isaac hasn't been seen for over a decade
His last game was 7 years ago. Hardly "over a decade ago".
and was even removed from being an AT
We don't know the circumstances behind his removal. For all we know there could have been issues regarding his AT working on the 3DS and whatnot. Not to mention all the other obscure characters who retained their AT status in the game.
 
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His last game was 7 years ago. Hardly "over a decade ago".
Sorry, forgot the DS game, though that was more Matthew's game than Isaac's.

Still though, does he even have a trophy in Smash 4? I can't really remember. 7 years going on 8 doesn't bode well for a small series such as Golden Sun, so he's still pretty unlikely.
 

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Ok, so what's everyone's thoughts on The Big 3? Being Isaac, K. Rool, and Ridley.

I'm really wondering if their popularity is diminishing or not. It would be a shame if so because those 3 we're all over the place in the Wii U speculation and it's rosters that came along with it. People thought K. Rool was going to win the ballot for sure.
I like them enough to be excited for their inclusion if it ever happened, but I wouldn't lose any sleep if none of them ever got in.

Isaac is neat but I think he's super unlikely. Dark Dawn kind of flopped from what I remember, and didn't even star Isaac himself, but his son, Matthew. That being said, an earth elemental fighter is an exciting concept and I love how he plays in SSF2.

Ridley I think is cool, but borderline impossible short of a new Metroid game giving him a more workable, Smash-ready form. Sakurai's stance on the character is cemented.

K. Rool? I honestly don't think the ballot will be enough for him. He clearly did well enough on the ballot if he was given a Mii costume, but I don't think it'll be enough for playability. Unless he returns to his own series, his chances are Krushed. And honestly, my opinion on K. Rool kinda took a turn for the worse after the ballot aftermath, what with a legion of man children threatening to boycott the game and such...kind of made it harder to get excited for the guy. Sorry. It's a shame, too, since he's otherwise a cool character. Ah well.
 

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I never considered Isaac a part of the "big 3" or whatever.

His popularity was always exaggerated in my opinion, most people don't even know how to write his name or anything about his game, it was just bandwagon.

But you know who absolutely deeserves to be a part of the Big 3?

Inkling.
 
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Like, I don't wanna say it's impossible for Isaac, after all, we DID get Little Mac and his franchise seems to be as dead as Mother.
K.Rool is not the star of his own franchise so he can't get just out of fan demand like Little Mac. Especially when DK is already striggling on keeping itself relevant. Its last game was TF and he's been MIA ever since.
Not to mention all the other obscure characters who retained their AT status in the game.
How exactly is that a point for Isaac? If anything, it just implies he was less worth to keep around than the others
I never considered Isaac a part of the "big 3" or whatever.

His popularity was always exaggerated in my opinion, most people don't even know how to write his name or anything about his game, it was just bandwagon.

But you know who absolutely deeserves to be a part of the Big 3?

Inkling.
I agree
The Big 3(Mewtwo, Ridley and K.Rool) themselves are actually quite exaggerated tbh but they WERE the most popular in Smash-related forums.

I wouldn't say that we can call anyone the Big 3 right now anyways. The speculation is on a low period for obvious reasons and the hype behind the two reptiles has died dowm significantly.

And Inkling is more of Smash 5's Pac-Man or Palutena
"Just get it over with so we can get to the surprises".
Everyone and their dogs expects them and I'd actually be surprised of they WEREN'T included
 

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Oh, yeah, about Ridley and K. Rool.
I still have hope for them, even Ridley, because I'm biased and I believe in miracles.


Like, I don't wanna say it's impossible for Isaac, after all, we DID get Little Mac and his franchise seems to be as dead as Mother.
What about that Punch Out Wii game?
And Inkling is more of Smash 5's Pac-Man or Palutena
"Just get it over with so we can get to the surprises".
Everyone and their dogs expects them and I'd actually be surprised of they WEREN'T included
Yeah, that's literally what I think about Inklings haha.
I hope they reveal them first, same with Ice Climbers and Wolf.
 
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I never considered Isaac a part of the "big 3" or whatever.

His popularity was always exaggerated in my opinion, most people don't even know how to write his name or anything about his game, it was just bandwagon.

But you know who absolutely deeserves to be a part of the Big 3?

Inkling.
No, because he's so big that he's bigger than those big 3 :p
 
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Oh, yeah, about Ridley and K. Rool.
I still have hope for them, even Ridley, because I'm biased and I believe in miracles.



What about that Punch Out Wii game?

Yeah, that's literally what I think about Inklings haha.
I hope they reveal them first, same with Ice Climbers and Wolf.
I mean, that was in 2009
Not that old when Smash 4 started development but it doesn't seem like they plan on doing anything with the franchise
Punch Out should have had a fighting game instead of Arms
 

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most people don't even know how to write his name]
Thank you for mentioning that. I physically cringe whenever I see someone say they support "Issac." And I don't use that term lightly.


Like hot damn, Isaac isn't even a made up name. You should know how to spell it.
 

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My thoughts on all these characters we're talking about

The 4 3rd parties: Not to interested in their games, I don't care.

Isaac: He'd be neat, but unlikely. Golden Sun's last game was on the OG DS, right? His only chance is a new game or decent ballot turnout.

Ridley: Too Big

K.Rool: See Isaac, but a bit more likely. Regardless, I do think we will see some sort of new DK character, because of how Dixie and K. Rool were likely big on the ballot

Inkling: They're getting in. It's more a dispute over how they'll interpret them (Will they be like Villager/Mega Mab with multiple weapons with one move, or like the FE characters,a more specialized use of one or two?)
 

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Ok, so what's everyone's thoughts on The Big 3? Being Isaac, K. Rool, and Ridley.

I'm really wondering if their popularity is diminishing or not. It would be a shame if so because those 3 we're all over the place in the Wii U speculation and it's rosters that came along with it. People thought K. Rool was going to win the ballot for sure.
If Ridley were to be fully playable, I'll be surprised they managed to get him to work. It would be refreshing to actually see a character from Metroid that isn't Samus herself. Sylux could present himself as a alternative choice if Metroid Prime 4 (as currently named now,) uses him.

As for King K. Rool, a villain character and a possible unique playstyle makes him one of my most wanted characters for Smash still. I can only speak for myself as some people were ruined from liking him. Regardless, I think a DK character that isn't a Kong character could make things interesting to me. Relevancy is a thing that could hold him back.

As of Isaac of Golden Sun, he could be okay if they make him right. As of right now, I won't be mad if he doesn't get in.

On the Inklings, Splatoon is currently one of Nintendo's bigger franchises. I wouldn't be surprised if they got in Smash.

Even though there are characters I really want, I don't let it bug me too much if they don't get in.
 
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Isaac: Would love to see him in, but it seems unlikely unless a 4th game is made in time. And he's still in the game.

K. Rool: Same point as Isaac; My preferred DKC new character, but his relevancy is, well, not there. I like all 3 major options, but I want another villain. None stick out to me as the best option on their own, hence this criteria. All sound fun.

Ridley: Favorite option for a new Metroid rep, not that Sylux is bad by any means. Most unlikely among the options, though. Unless he gets a new design that's very workable(akin to his Melee intro cutscene appearance). Easily the next most recognizable Metroid character, that said.
 

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Like, I don't wanna say it's impossible for Isaac, after all, we DID get Little Mac and his franchise seems to be as dead as Mother.
Disagree. There is still the possibility of a new Punch Out but there will straight up never be a Mother 4.

On the current topic, though..

K Rool: Possible. Dixie is much more likely though.

Ridley: HAHAHAHAHAHAH *sobs*

Isaac: Doubt it seriously, tbh. He should get in but the window has long since closed.

Also agree that Inklings are a shoe-in. They'll be the first reveal I bet.
 

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Cappy could be an item. You pick it up. Throw or A button tosses it at opponent, B button places it on oneself.

Cappy, whether it is slapped onto the head or thrown at the opponent, gives the wearer a mustache and Mario's special moves until they are KO'ed.
 
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Cappy could be an item. You pick it up. Throw or A button tosses it at opponent, B button places it on oneself.

Cappy, whether it is slapped onto the head or thrown at the opponent, gives the wearer a mustache and Mario's special moves until they are KO'ed.
Finally, Jigglypuff gets buffed.
 
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Cappy could be an item. You pick it up. Throw or A button tosses it at opponent, B button places it on oneself.

Cappy, whether it is slapped onto the head or thrown at the opponent, gives the wearer a mustache and Mario's special moves until they are KO'ed.
Ok but what it does on Mario?
And I think it should just give the player who threw it temporary control over the target, nothing you ever possess in SMO gains Mario's abilities so it wouldn't make sense. Infact, the whole point of it is the exact opposite of that
 

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Ok but what it does on Mario?
And I think it should just give the player who threw it temporary control over the target, nothing you ever possess in SMO gains Mario's abilities so it wouldn't make sense. Infact, the whole point of it is the exact opposite of that
If you want to be more true to the game, the cap can be thrown at an enemy. If it hits, it comes back, turns into the Kirby hat of that character upon the thrower's head and gives them the B move of the enemy.
 

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Sorry, forgot the DS game, though that was more Matthew's game than Isaac's.

Still though, does he even have a trophy in Smash 4? I can't really remember. 7 years going on 8 doesn't bode well for a small series such as Golden Sun, so he's still pretty unlikely.
I'm not even trying to argue that Isaac is likely. At this juncture i'm really doubting his chances unless a new GS game pops out.

And TBH Golden Sun is a series that can pop out of nowhere. Dark Dawn which was 7-8 years after The Lost Age was just that. It got announced at E3 2009 out of the blue. So Isaac's chances hangs on whether or not his series gets a new game.

If Isaac did well on the Ballot, that might convince Nintendo to make a new entry in the series. Reaching, I know but it is a possibility.
How exactly is that a point for Isaac? If anything, it just implies he was less worth to keep around than the others
Because several other series that are even more obscure than Golden Sun let alone older also made their way in to the game. That's an indication that his removal was not due to declining relevancy or whatever.

And that Smash 4 added a track from Dark Dawn in to the game.
K.Rool is not the star of his own franchise so he can't get just out of fan demand like Little Mac. Especially when DK is already striggling on keeping itself relevant. Its last game was TF and he's been MIA ever since.
The last DK game was only 3 years ago, chill. That's hardly a long time. Not to mention DKCR got a port on the 3DS in 2015. DK Switch is inevitable within a couple of years anyways,

K. Rool ain't the star of DK but he is the most noteworthy antagonist in the franchise. He's the Bowser to DK's Mario.

What really makes or break K. Rool's chances next time round is if he's the main villain of DKCR3. I'd be surprised if he wasn't TBH.
 
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The capture mechanic isn't going to be a thing in smash. There just isn't a way to do it without either being wildly off of how it actually works or being stupidly OP.

Best we'll get is using the hat as a weapon, but I don't necessarily see that happening either TBH.
 
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Ridley: Favorite option for a new Metroid rep, not that Sylux is bad by any means. Most unlikely among the options, though. Unless he gets a new design that's very workable(akin to his Melee intro cutscene appearance).
Camera perspective.
 

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Ok, so what's everyone's thoughts on The Big 3? Being Isaac, K. Rool, and Ridley.

I'm really wondering if their popularity is diminishing or not. It would be a shame if so because those 3 we're all over the place in the Wii U speculation and it's rosters that came along with it. People thought K. Rool was going to win the ballot for sure.
Not sure about Isaac, since he was absent from Smash WiiU/3DS, and hasn't been around since 2010 (I think?).

K.Rool, I think he's probably one of characters selected for Smash 6 already, regardless of whether he is "relevant" or not. Whether it's because of the ballot, or because of the campaigns, or because of something else, he's probably one of the first picked characters. I'd be surprised if he misses out on Smash 6.

Ridley is do-able, but will likely need a Sakurai-less game for him to be added, or Nintendo to pressure Sakurai to add him, or Sakurai to change his mind (this option won't happen). If that job listing is anything to go by (taking with a grain of salt), and that Sakurai's toy purchase being related to his project, amongst other observations, Smash 6 might be without Sakurai. Maybe.
 

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Better idea.

Make "Giant" styled characters with their own fighting system. So not only we can have Ridley, but we get the best Odyssey option.
The only problem with making gigantic fighters is finding out that they're less powerful than the fighters who acquire Super Mushroom boosts. Giga Bowser may be huge, but he's less powerful than a Bowser who's set to 1.7x-size.

If we're going by the rule that bigger hits harder, then Giga Bowser really needs to follow that trend.
 
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The only problem with making gigantic fighters is finding out that they're less powerful than the fighters who acquire Super Mushroom boosts. Giga Bowser may be huge, but he's less powerful than a Bowser who's set to 1.7x-size.

If we're going by the rule that bigger hits harder, then Giga Bowser really needs to follow that trend.
The problem is that they nerfed Giga Bowser hard for "balance".

Compare how he is as a boss in Melee to how he's a Final Smash, and you'll see what I mean.
 

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The problem is that they nerfed Giga Bowser hard for "balance".

Compare how he is as a boss in Melee to how he's a Final Smash, and you'll see what I mean.
Still, nerfing Giga Bowser's power is unacceptable when you look at what the Super Mushroom is capable of doing now. That item boosts direct attack damage to 1.56x in standard matches, which makes Bowser hit harder than Giga Bowser with almost any attack, despite still being shorter in size; heck, even when Bowser is normal-sized, Giga Bowser's b-air deals less damage than Bowser's b-air.

Additionally, in a giant special smash, while fighters will normally use a 1.64x damage multiplier for their direct attacks, the Super Mushroom increases that damage multiplier to 3.08x, which is a drastically stronger attack boost than in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. And since Giga Bowser can't use size changing items, that kind of damage multiplier is beyond his reach.

It should also be noted that when you look at Giga Mac, in a giant special smash, he can still hit harder than a Little Mac who's using a 3.08x damage multiplier. And the reasoning for that is because most of Giga Mac's attacks deal 2x more damage than Little Mac's attacks; in other words, 2 * 1.64 = 3.28. And much like with Giga Bowser, Giga Mac is unaffected by size changing items.

At least in the case of Wario-Man and Mega Lucario, because they're able to use size changing items, their power boosts don't have to be too drastic.

Wario-Man's greatest strength is not so much brute strength, but being able to utilize a ridiculous air game, and having practically no ending lag for most of his attacks. As such, Wario-Man doesn't necessarily have to hit harder than a Wario who picks up a Super Mushroom, since he can use Super Mushrooms as well.

As for Mega Lucario, while Lucario can potentially deal just as much damage as Mega Lucario when the right circumstances are in play, Mega Lucario doesn't have to worry about flinching from opposing attacks, enabling it to take better advantage of the maximum aura damage multiplier. And when combined with a Super Mushroom, Mega Lucario basically becomes one of the most devastating fighters in the Super Smash Bros. series when it comes to dealing damage, especially in a giant special smash.

Anyway, a Final Smash is supposed to be on the powerful side, and I just don't understand the logic of Bowser getting better results with a Super Mushroom than by changing into Giga Bowser (who can't use Super Mushrooms at all). Also, if memory serves me right, competitive play turns off items, so Final Smashes will never occur in such matches anyway.
 
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