Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[UserKev]

I still want Shy Guy as a Yoshi rep, even if it doesn't make much sense and is basically impossible.

Suddenly, this has me interested in a Yoshi rep. A Shy Guy would be fun. Its forward B could be, it swinging the castle spike chain mace, eventually letting go the spike mace against the foe for powerful knockback.

I like a trooper based fighter.

 

[N3ON]

Suda51 continues to really want Travis in Smash, lol.

Famitsu: Is development [of Travis Strikes Again] proceeding well?

Suda51: Yes. Next year should be good timing since Nintendo Switch’s stock problems should be solved by then, so we’re doing our utmost on developing the game right now so that it can be released at that time. Our direct task right now is to make it playable with just one Joy-Con controller and also to make it feel as good as No More Heroes, but there are also many old games that can be played really well even with few buttons, so I think the challenge is worthwhile. Also, this is a serious love call, but in order for Travis to be able to appear in Super Smash Bros. someday, I’d like to have simple controls (laughs).

He's just bringing it up without even being prompted at this point. xD

Well I hope he gets his wish, I wouldn't mind seeing Travis in Smash.

 

[NintenRob]

Baby Bros or bust.

 

[EdwardSponge]

I still want Shy Guy as a Yoshi rep, even if it doesn't make much sense and is basically impossible.

I always thought Kamek would be a cool Yoshi rep. Up B is the broomstick and whoever gets hit by the rainbow magic grows in size, making them easier to combo. Neutral b is magic shape spell, down b teleport, side B creates a mario world block which can crush opponents, be made bigger with up b or can be turned to a minion if hit by neutral b.

Alternate colors:
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Red magikoopa from paper mario
White magikoopa from paper mario
Kamella colours
That Big magicoopa from galaxy colours
Shy guy colour alt
Blarg colour alt.

 

[Staarih]

Poochy is getting more and more exposure these days, he’s the true next Yoshi rep

Maybe first in Mario Kart pls.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Kamek is my normal choice, but Shy Guy sounds interesting as a species too. The thing is, there's tons of versions, with tons of weapons. It feels almost like an idea akin to Mr. Game & Watch, although some of the moves might feel slightly similar to Villager at times(things like Slingshots, Spears). Once in a while a summoning move like a Tank Guy. And could easily have a Bandit palette swap, as they're clearly based upon the Shy Guy to a degree.

 

[Diddy Kong]

You guys forgetting about number ONE Yoshi character... The Stork.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Baby Wario is the one true Yoshi rep.

 

[Deleted member]

The word "rep" hurts my soul.

That being said, if we were to get a second Yoshi character, I'd like to see Kamek in the game, due to being technically the main villain, and because he'd have a very interesting moveset.

Most likely is probably Poochy. He was heavily promoted for the 3DS version of Yoshi's Woolly world IIRC, and more recently

Spoiler: Spoiler alert!

he made a small cameo in Mario Odyssey.

That being said, I don't think a second Yodhi character is likely, nor do I really want one (I think adding more characters because "muh reps" is stupid)

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Kamek is treated more as a Super Mario Bros. character nowadays, despite debuting in the Yoshi's Island series. It should also be noted that based on the Magikoopa's stats in the Mario Baseball series, it's very slow on foot.

 

[Deleted member]

Kamek is treated more as a Super Mario Bros. character nowadays, despite debuting in the Yoshi's Island series.

But so is Yoshi.
I see no reason why Kamek would be included as a Mario character.

 

[ssbashworld]

I have always really liked Shy Guy for some reason so i would not mind getting him in smash (he is my mario kart main, i remember giving my friends my copy of mario kart ds when we did download play so I can play as him).

I do think that Baby Bros or more recently Poochy seem to be the most likely new Yoshi reps, Kamek would be cool too but i think they would go with the other two before him unless they decide to really stress and go all out with villain reps.

 

[Freduardo]

Kamek is treated more as a Super Mario Bros. character nowadays, despite debuting in the Yoshi's Island series. It should also be noted that based on the Magikoopa's stats in the Mario Baseball series, it's very slow on foot.

Could have sworn magikoopas were in Mario world before they were in Mario world 2.

They would change blocks to koopa troopas.

Anyway, the Yoshi rep will be Larry koopa, removed from Bowser jr, and redesigned to evoke Yoshi’s safari.

 

[Luminario]

I can't see Poochy working as an actual fighter on his own. I see him as sort of a Gogoat-type AT where he goes back and forth and can be stood on.

Kamek certainly works as the next best Yoshi rep. He's recognisable and has good potential. I'm actually still surprised no Magikoopa has been playable in Mario Kart yet.

 

[Chandeelure]

I would use Yoshi a lot more if he had one or both of these things:

-Baby Mario in his back.
-The old funny sounds he made in the SNES/64 games instead of the kinda annoying and ultra recycled voice he has now.

Both are like impossible, but yeah haha, it's just that I like Yoshi's Island a lot, and the new games are not that good for me.

 

[Arcadenik]

I still want to play as Toad or Captain Toad in Smash.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'd like Yoshi more if his Neutral B would actually allow for some unique stuff. I explained this before, but I see no reason not to make Yoshi more like his actual self. Eat up stuff, make eggs, throw projectiles. You know the one Melee Event Match where you had to protect a Yoshi egg? Make it work like that.

Kirby also should be able to do more with his Inhale. Spit back projectiles for all I care. Kirby is horrible bland and doesn't have much to work with anyway. This makes projectiles less effective in some matches.

Samus should also heavily be reworked into a moveset with more projectiles or also more freedom with her Charge Shot and Missiles. She should be able to shoot faster and have combo's based on low knockback, high damage and high hitstun so a follow up with Charge Shot becomes a combo finisher. Missiles should also be spamable. At least make her shoot 3 in a row or something to make her a far more effective zoner. They wouldn't all hit anwyay at higher % s but it gives her far more stage control. Also make Super Missiles actual Super Missiles. Or if nothing else, Melee Missiles and Smash 4 Charge Shot.

These characters would all be way more interesting this way. And also far more true to literally EVERY game they are in. Name me one Kirby, Yoshi or Metroid game where you don't spam Neutral B over again? It's the main appeal of these characters dammit.

I also still think Pikachu's Neutral B should be chargeable or something. Like make it Electro Ball or something. Pikachu needs a projectile that packs more of a punch. Or has more hitstun, it's a shocking attack after all.

In general I would like elemental effects on attacks to be a little more realistic. What's stopping fire attacks from causing a 1% or so a few seconds after the hit has connected? The character is still burning after all. And you could prolong the effect of the attacks by keep using the same elemental attacks. This gives fire and electricity users some advantage. Dark flame effect from Mewtwo and Ganondorf for example could do the same. Make some characters more adapt to certain elements than others. Makes no sense for Charizard, Greninja, Samus or Bowser to be negatively effected by fire for example. Link cannot cheat by using his red costume btw. This also gives matchups some diversity.

Donkey Kong's Down B should sometimes spawn a banana to btw. Cause that fits. And he could make crazy use of it. It'd be randomly decided if the banana is a banana peel item, or a banana food item btw. It's just a nifty and unreliable nod to Donkey Kong Country.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Could have sworn magikoopas were in Mario world before they were in Mario world 2.

They would change blocks to koopa troopas.

You are correct. I distinctly remember me and my friend getting our asses' kicked by those things..

Anyway, I'm full blown in support of Kamek. Birdo is laaaame, Baby Bros. are annoying and Poochy is meh.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

doesn't have much to work with anyway

****in wat.
Kirby's incredible because he's got so much **** to draw moves from it's possible to make full movesets for multiple different abilities

Also considering you want Diddy's Hoo Hah back to broken status despite Diddy being one of the best characters means you shouldn't try to suggest balance stages

 

[Diddy Kong]

Magi Koopas where indeed a pain in the butt. But I don't think Kamek is really a good idea anyway. It's not a consistant enough main villain. And the Stork would be way better. He could carry all the Babies and do stuff. You know he's the real MVP for Yoshi rep.

****in wat.
Kirby's incredible because he's got so much **** to draw moves from it's possible to make full movesets for multiple different abilities

Also considering you want Diddy's Hoo Hah back to broken status despite Diddy being one of the best characters means you shouldn't try to suggest balance stages

Hoo Hah is balance. Hoo Hah is love.

For real tho, Diddy is good as he is but I'd still like more moves to be more useful cause there is no guarantee that Diddy is gonna be Top Tier in his third Smash appearance anyway. I'd like for Neutral Air, Dash Attack and Up Air to be buffed if that's the case.

I know Kirby has a lot of canon abilities but he's lackluster in Smash. A poor representation of his character.

 

[Deleted member]

I really don't think veterans should be reworked too heavily, especially characters that have been since the original.
Like, with clones(not semiclones I swear to go--), that's fine. Change a few moves to better represent the character(i.e.: Smash 4 Pit), that's also fine.
But changing for the sake of change is unnecessary.

You are correct. I distinctly remember me and my friend getting our *****' kicked by those things..

Anyway, I'm full blown in support of Kamek. Birdo is laaaame, Baby Bros. are annoying and Poochy is meh.

Magikoopas were the bane of my existence as a kod, good thing they only ever appear in two levels(and maybe one of the sections in Bowser's Castle, can't remember it).

****in wat.
Kirby's incredible because he's got so much **** to draw moves from it's possible to make full movesets for multiple different abilities

Also considering you want Diddy's Hoo Hah back to broken status despite Diddy being one of the best characters means you shouldn't try to suggest balance stages

It's almost like people forget Kirby has a copy ability that allows him to copy every single neutral B in the game.

Magi Koopas where indeed a pain in the butt. But I don't think Kamek is really a good idea anyway. It's not a consistant enough main villain. And the Stork would be way better. He could carry all the Babies and do stuff. You know he's the real MVP for Yoshi rep.


Hoo Hah is balance. Hoo Hah is love.

For real tho, Diddy is good as he is but I'd still like more moves to be more useful cause there is no guarantee that Diddy is gonna be Top Tier in his third Smash appearance anyway. I'd like for Neutral Air, Dash Attack and Up Air to be buffed if that's the case.

I know Kirby has a lot of canon abilities but he's lackluster in Smash. A poor representation of his character.

Kamek has more appearences than a generic stork what the hell are you smoking

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Kamek, as in the one in the Yoshi games, is an extremely specific Magikoopa. While it didn't have a unique name proper in Japan(all Magikoopa were called Kamek), he did in the US, and actually debuted in Super Mario World II. It's like the Main Toad(who has a different name in Japan, oddly enough, being a reverse of Kamek and Magikoopa), who actually debuted in Super Mario Bros. 2 USA. They're different characters from the species. Kamek himself is absolutely a Yoshi character first(debut-wise). Heck, for a while, they made a counterpart for the rpg's named Kammy, who even sometimes used similar abilities(mostly growing an enemy to a giant size).

There's probably some other examples, but you get the idea.

 

[Diddy Kong]

The Stork started the whole story. No Stork, nothing happening. We already have magic users on the roster. BORING!! Who rather wants to play as a BIRD flying around he stage holding a sack of super hero babies!? I SURE DO! About time we got a full aerial character. Represent all the Baby characters, maybe make some new up!? Make Baby-versions of all existing Smash characters you will! Who wouldn't love a adorable Baby Ganondorf? Baby Mewtwo? Baby R.O.B. as a USB drive? Pichu as Baby Pikachu? ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES!!

Spoiler

Also it's weed.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Dude. Kamek started the story by attacking the Stork. No Stork, he still goes after Mario and Luigi.

 

[Deleted member]

No, Baby Mario and Baby Luigi started the story by being born.
No being born, no Stork to deliver them. No Stork to deliver them, no Kamek to intervene.

 

[Deleted member]

We need Mario and Luigi's parents because had they not ****ed we wouldn't have the best plumber of all time and his red brother

 

[Deleted member]

We need Mario and Luigi's parents because had they not ****ed we wouldn't have the best plumber of all time and his red brother

So Mama Luigi for 5mash?

 

[Arcadenik]

No, Baby Mario and Baby Luigi started the story by being born.
No being born, no Stork to deliver them. No Stork to deliver them, no Kamek to intervene.

I just thought of something... are Mario and Luigi adopted?

Why would they need a stork to deliver them to their parents? I guess the parents forgot them at the hospital and the stork had to chase after them.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Since it's relevant by the Poll, which Mario character you guys think is most likely? I say for now Captain Toad. But wouldn't be surprised to see Geno as well. Maybe with his own emblem even, I dunno. But Captain Toad I think is a very likely adition at this point.

 

[Deleted member]

I currently can't see any Mario newcomer right now.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

At this time, Geno is the only one that seems remotely plausible right now. Keep in mind I'm counting Pauline under DK(as that's her debut series), Ashley under Wario, and I can't see any Yoshi newcomers being likely at all.

And I wouldn't get my hopes up for Geno, either. It doesn't help that he's had no new appearances, meaning Square-Enix has little interest in reusing him, which would make it harder to get him playable. At the very least, getting him playable along with Cloud is a bit easier than Geno alone.

 

[Arcadenik]

I currently can't see any Mario newcomer right now.

I feel that way too.

Toad or Captain Toad needs another major role besides NPC roles in Super Mario Odyssey. Captain Toad 2 or Super Mario 3D World 2 might help.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Captain Toad WILL get in. That's the only one likely at all. Geno is never happening.

 

[Deleted member]

I feel that way too.

Toad or Captain Toad needs another major role besides NPC roles in Super Mario Odyssey. Captain Toad 2 or Super Mario 3D World 2 might help.

They will need more than than just more playable roles.
Rosalina was chosen for Smash back when the only playable role she had was Mario Kart 7.

At this point, Toad is one of those characters that would be playable by now if he was meant to be.

 

[Opossum]

Captain Toad feels like the likeliest Mario pick for me.

 

[Diddy Kong]

At this time, Geno is the only one that seems remotely plausible right now. Keep in mind I'm counting Pauline under DK(as that's her debut series), Ashley under Wario, and I can't see any Yoshi newcomers being likely at all.

And I wouldn't get my hopes up for Geno, either. It doesn't help that he's had no new appearances, meaning Square-Enix has little interest in reusing him, which would make it harder to get him playable. At the very least, getting him playable along with Cloud is a bit easier than Geno alone.

Why would you ever think of Pauline as a DK newcomer? Why would you ruin all the good fun?

 

[Arcadenik]

They will need more than than just more playable roles.
Rosalina was chosen for Smash back when the only playable role she had was Mario Kart 7.

At this point, Toad is one of those characters that would be playable by now if he was meant to be.

I still feel that the reason Rosalina was chosen was because Sakurai wanted a character based on the gameplay of Super Mario Galaxy without creating a third playable Mario (this newcomer would have been called "Mario & Luma").

Wonder if Sakurai wants to add Pauline to represent Super Mario Odyssey and she uses Cappy in her moveset.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Why would you ever think of Pauline as a DK newcomer? Why would you ruin all the good fun?

Because she absolutely debuted in the game called Donkey Kong, not Mario Bros. Of course I'd put her under the DK icon. That doesn't ruin any fun or mean anything other than her debut series.

She always felt like the damsel in distress specifically due to the DK series, not Mario. It's cool she got into Odyssey, no questioning that, but that doesn't change my opinion of what series she should be under.

 

[Deleted member]

I still feel that the reason Rosalina was chosen was because Sakurai wanted a character based on the gameplay of Super Mario Galaxy without creating a third playable Mario (this newcomer would have been called "Mario & Luma").

Wonder if Sakurai wants to add Pauline to represent Super Mario Odyssey and she uses Cappy in her moveset.

That makes no sense whatsoever.
Not only are Rosalina & Luma barely reflective of how Mario works in Galaxy, but Rosalina is the only one that makes sense fighting alongside the Lumas, not Mario.

And no, we're not getting Pauline with Cappy. That idea makes even less sense.

 

[Deleted member]

Pauline is as much of a DK character as Mario himself is.
The "DK" series in Smash is in reality the "DK Country" series, really.
Nevermind the fact that her most recent appearence, and the only reason people are considering her again, is a freaking Mario game.