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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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I only think Smash will get a smaller roster type reboot if they make it as an on-going service, with the possibility that old favourites will return.

With that in mind, my 20 roster looks like


:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultyoshi:
:ultlink::ultzelda::ultkirby::ultkingdedede::ultpikachu::ultpokemontrainer:
:ultsamus::ultfox::ultmarth::ultpit::ultvillager::ultinkling:
2 Newcomers


And a bigger 24 roster looks like

:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser::ultdk::ultyoshi::ultwario:
:ultlink::ultzelda::ultganondorf::ultkirby::ultkingdedede::ultpikachu::ultpokemontrainer:
:ultsamus::ultfox::ultmarth::ultpit::ultvillager::ultinkling:
4 Newcomers

(:ultmetaknight:&:ultmewtwo: as first additions in both cases)
 

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well now y'all making me feel selfish for wanting a Smash reboot so bad! But I will say I would expect a reboot roster to still be close to Brawl's roster size, because the characters are such a huge part of Smash it would be hard to sell a roster a third of the size of the last game. I think 35-40 range is a smart choice for a reboot roster, and I'm going to echo that Nintendo would have to bring a lot of new fighters post release to justify it.
 
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What leaked trailer?
"Hello, I know this will probably be buried under a lot of speculation, however I am leaving my career after a few years and I've decided to speak about what I know about this game.

A little backstory, I worked for a little animation company called "Spooky graphic". We worked a little bit on the animated trailers for Smash Wii U, and we were asked to help with this new game too. I personally specialise in effects, including for example the dust you see when the characters land in the Duck Hunt trailer. I also worked on the lighting for Mega Man's trailer. Including a Spark Shock move featuring Pikachu that got unfortunately cut.

Because I have only worked on the trailers, I was only ever given what I needed to. I don't have any attack information, and I can't say that there aren't other character trailers being worked on. We were supplied with screenshots and animation references however, to make sure the animation is accurate.

So far, the company has been hired to work on two trailers. The first one appears to be a King K. Rool trailer. The trailer is a comedic take on a heist movie, with Wario, Wolf and Ridley planning to steal a large pile of bananas from Donkey Kong. I mainly worked on the physics for the scroll map, however I did do dust trails for the end of the trailer where King K. Rool is running away with the stash in a wooden cart. I know that at one point he uses a giant cannon (smoke effects) so this is likely one of his specials.

The second and last trailer I worked on is for a character that from what I can tell isn't highly requested, but should cause a lot of excitement. It's a trailer for Gengar. The main theme of the trailer is the haunted house genre, starring Ness, Lucas and Toon Link (in pajamas). It appears to be a sleepover scene, with the kids telling scary stories. The house starts doing strange things, including moving chairs, animating paintings and strange noises. All of these effects use an aura, so I worked quite heavily on this animation. Eventually, both Toon Link and Ness are swallowed by a black void, leaving only Lucas. The wall then grows a smiling face, and Gengar emerges from it.

I wish I could give you moveset information, however that doesn't appear to be possible for Gengar. His character model is translucent however, and that would likely be a feature in his actual character. Other than that, all I can say is that he's in the game.

The reason I can legally divulge this information is actually the reason I am leaving the company. I was seriously ill a while ago, and was out of work for a few months. Those were the months that Nintendo demanded non-disclosure agreements, and I was overlooked. By the time I had left, nobody had asked me to sign anything, so as far as I know I'm under no obligation to keep this secret. The illness has returned, and I am unable to work because of it."
 

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Hmm, here's my 2 cent on the roster; only 30. No echos & if I were to force myself to add characters that are still relevant, this is how it'll look like.

(Oh and the reboot is not made by Sakurai & his team.)

:ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultrosalina::ultdk::ultdiddy::ultsamus::ultlink::ultkirby::ultpikachu:
:ultpokemontrainer::ultvillager::ultyoshi::ultinkling::ultwario::ultmarth::ultolimar::ultzelda::ultsonic::ultmegaman:
:ultpacman::ultbowser::ultbowserjr::ultganondorf::ultkingdedede::ultmetaknight:(-New FE Lord-) (-Spring Man-) (-New Pokemon-) (-Rex & Pyra-)

If Nintendo goes with this roster for the reboot, I will be completely sad that my boy Pit is gone if that was the case. Hopefully not.
 

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"Hello, I know this will probably be buried under a lot of speculation, however I am leaving my career after a few years and I've decided to speak about what I know about this game.

A little backstory, I worked for a little animation company called "Spooky graphic". We worked a little bit on the animated trailers for Smash Wii U, and we were asked to help with this new game too. I personally specialise in effects, including for example the dust you see when the characters land in the Duck Hunt trailer. I also worked on the lighting for Mega Man's trailer. Including a Spark Shock move featuring Pikachu that got unfortunately cut.

Because I have only worked on the trailers, I was only ever given what I needed to. I don't have any attack information, and I can't say that there aren't other character trailers being worked on. We were supplied with screenshots and animation references however, to make sure the animation is accurate.

So far, the company has been hired to work on two trailers. The first one appears to be a King K. Rool trailer. The trailer is a comedic take on a heist movie, with Wario, Wolf and Ridley planning to steal a large pile of bananas from Donkey Kong. I mainly worked on the physics for the scroll map, however I did do dust trails for the end of the trailer where King K. Rool is running away with the stash in a wooden cart. I know that at one point he uses a giant cannon (smoke effects) so this is likely one of his specials.

The second and last trailer I worked on is for a character that from what I can tell isn't highly requested, but should cause a lot of excitement. It's a trailer for Gengar. The main theme of the trailer is the haunted house genre, starring Ness, Lucas and Toon Link (in pajamas). It appears to be a sleepover scene, with the kids telling scary stories. The house starts doing strange things, including moving chairs, animating paintings and strange noises. All of these effects use an aura, so I worked quite heavily on this animation. Eventually, both Toon Link and Ness are swallowed by a black void, leaving only Lucas. The wall then grows a smiling face, and Gengar emerges from it.

I wish I could give you moveset information, however that doesn't appear to be possible for Gengar. His character model is translucent however, and that would likely be a feature in his actual character. Other than that, all I can say is that he's in the game.

The reason I can legally divulge this information is actually the reason I am leaving the company. I was seriously ill a while ago, and was out of work for a few months. Those were the months that Nintendo demanded non-disclosure agreements, and I was overlooked. By the time I had left, nobody had asked me to sign anything, so as far as I know I'm under no obligation to keep this secret. The illness has returned, and I am unable to work because of it."
Yeah that['s bull, why would Pokemon company promote Gengar?
 

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Yeah that['s bull, why would Pokemon company promote Gengar?
Because bruh, he's a popular competitive Pokemon. I mean he got mechs, popularity, move pool, and too much more

But the problem? He's another "Gen 1" Pokemon
 

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Is it possible the Gengar leak confused him for Mimikyu? Since they are both ghost Pokemon AND he does say he THINKS one trailer is for K. Rool
 

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Is it possible the Gengar leak confused him for Mimikyu? Since they are both ghost Pokemon AND he does say he THINKS one trailer is for K. Rool
I don't think you can confuse those two Pokemon unless you've never heard of Pokemon.
Because bruh, he's a popular competitive Pokemon. I mean he got mechs, popularity, move pool, and too much more

But the problem? He's another "Gen 1" Pokemon
I don't think that Sakurai cares about how good Pokemon are in competitive battles.
 

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Is it possible the Gengar leak confused him for Mimikyu? Since they are both ghost Pokemon AND he does say he THINKS one trailer is for K. Rool
Nope, Gengar's a VERY iconic pokemon and the guy claimed there's a smiling face coming out of the wall, Mimikyu's never really been depicted like that, though Gengar's Burst Attack in Pokken fits the bill
 

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I don't think that Sakurai cares about how good Pokemon are in competitive battles.
Not to mention non-Mega Gengar is at the lowest point competitively that he's ever been given the rise of multiple Pokemon in S/M that serve his role better than him.

If he did care about competitive viability, the timing still wouldn't make sense.
 
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Nope, Gengar's a VERY iconic pokemon and the guy claimed there's a smiling face coming out of the wall, Mimikyu's never really been depicted like that, though Gengar's Burst Attack in Pokken fits the bill
Except Gengar doesn't promote anything new. Sakurai usually puts Pokemon from the newest games in Smash so a Gen 7 rep is more likely .
 

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Except Gengar doesn't promote anything new. Sakurai usually puts Pokemon from the newest games in Smash so a Gen 7 rep is more likely .
That doesn't go against what she said. She only explained why the description didn't match Mimikyu.
 

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"Hello, I know this will probably be buried under a lot of speculation, however I am leaving my career after a few years and I've decided to speak about what I know about this game.

A little backstory, I worked for a little animation company called "Spooky graphic". We worked a little bit on the animated trailers for Smash Wii U, and we were asked to help with this new game too. I personally specialise in effects, including for example the dust you see when the characters land in the Duck Hunt trailer. I also worked on the lighting for Mega Man's trailer. Including a Spark Shock move featuring Pikachu that got unfortunately cut.

Because I have only worked on the trailers, I was only ever given what I needed to. I don't have any attack information, and I can't say that there aren't other character trailers being worked on. We were supplied with screenshots and animation references however, to make sure the animation is accurate.

So far, the company has been hired to work on two trailers. The first one appears to be a King K. Rool trailer. The trailer is a comedic take on a heist movie, with Wario, Wolf and Ridley planning to steal a large pile of bananas from Donkey Kong. I mainly worked on the physics for the scroll map, however I did do dust trails for the end of the trailer where King K. Rool is running away with the stash in a wooden cart. I know that at one point he uses a giant cannon (smoke effects) so this is likely one of his specials.

The second and last trailer I worked on is for a character that from what I can tell isn't highly requested, but should cause a lot of excitement. It's a trailer for Gengar. The main theme of the trailer is the haunted house genre, starring Ness, Lucas and Toon Link (in pajamas). It appears to be a sleepover scene, with the kids telling scary stories. The house starts doing strange things, including moving chairs, animating paintings and strange noises. All of these effects use an aura, so I worked quite heavily on this animation. Eventually, both Toon Link and Ness are swallowed by a black void, leaving only Lucas. The wall then grows a smiling face, and Gengar emerges from it.

I wish I could give you moveset information, however that doesn't appear to be possible for Gengar. His character model is translucent however, and that would likely be a feature in his actual character. Other than that, all I can say is that he's in the game.

The reason I can legally divulge this information is actually the reason I am leaving the company. I was seriously ill a while ago, and was out of work for a few months. Those were the months that Nintendo demanded non-disclosure agreements, and I was overlooked. By the time I had left, nobody had asked me to sign anything, so as far as I know I'm under no obligation to keep this secret. The illness has returned, and I am unable to work because of it."
This isn't how leaks are written.
 

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That trailer leak is tryhard bs

NO WAY would Ness, Jiggs, or Captain Falcon be cut in a reboot. They may not be hugely relevant as nintendo characters but they're always relevant to smash.

Most wanted newcomers:
Mario: Waluigi
Yoshi: None
Wario: None
Donkey Kong: King K Rool
Zelda: Tingle
Metroid: None
Fire Emblem: Anna I guess?
Kirby: None
Star Fox: None
Pokémon: Arceus
F-Zero: Samurai Goroh
Earthbound: Porky
Pikmin: None
Kid Icarus: Medusa
Animal Crossing: Resetti or KK
Punch Out!: Doc Louis
Xenoblade: Elma I guess?
Splatoon: None
Retro: Takamaru or Lip
Other: Chorus Men, Ribbon Girl
SEGA: None
Capcom: Jill Valentine although one of the monsters would be better
Namco: Yoshimitsu
Square Enix: Lara Croft
Konami: Bomberman, Simon Belmont or oooo Pyramid Head
 
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If King K. Rool or Bandanna Dee are revealed, it has to be in some big direct.
Not E3 considering we already got to E3.

I am not sure if the next direct is not big or not, but if it is a big one.. expect at least one newcomer.
My guess is probably King K. Rool or Bandanna Dee.
 

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Am I the only one who will MARK THE **** OUT for Gengar in Smash AND for it to be the last Kanto rep ever? As much as I love the Kanto region, it's time for others to get their shares as well
 

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Am I the only one who will MARK THE **** OUT for Gengar in Smash AND for it to be the last Kanto rep ever? As much as I love the Kanto region, it's time for others to get their shares as well
I've only ever seen one person clamour for more Gen I mons, but the guy's a contrarian who thinks pretending to have different opinions make him cool when he is in fact, a ****ing tool
 

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Sorry to disrupt the conversation by asking but, What are the odds Ultimate will be playable at events like Comic Con, Evo, and TGS? Did Smash 4 have a presence at major gaming events leading up to it’s release?
 

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i honestly want more generation 1 pokemon

i'll take meowth and raichu. also mew

in fact, i'd rather a G1 pokemon over 99% of the other pokemon
 

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I feel like one of these months we’ll have two newcomers announced in one direct. It feels appropriate considering how we’re rumored to have “Half a dozen” and there’s only five months left of announcements.
 

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I've only ever seen one person clamour for more Gen I mons, but the guy's a contrarian who thinks pretending to have different opinions make him cool when he is in fact, a ****ing tool
i honestly want more generation 1 pokemon

i'll take meowth and raichu. also mew

in fact, i'd rather a G1 pokemon over 99% of the other pokemon
Make that two people who only want people to play with their favourite toys an nobody else's
 

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Make that two people who only want people to play with their favourite toys an nobody else's
it's not even that, it's that meowth is one of the most iconic and relevant Pokemon ever, we have Pichu and Pikachu so Raichu clone when, and Mew is honestly bias, I love them. He'd work pretty well as a Mewtwo clone.

I've played all of the Pokemon games, shoot some of my favorites are from the newer gens (bewear should have been the G7 rep) but I don't see the appeal in Decidueye/Incineroar/Mimikyu for Smash.
 

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it's not even that, it's that meowth is one of the most iconic and relevant Pokemon ever, we have Pichu and Pikachu so Raichu clone when, and Mew is honestly bias, I love them. He'd work pretty well as a Mewtwo clone.

I've played all of the Pokemon games, shoot some of my favorites are from the newer gens (bewear should have been the G7 rep) but I don't see the appeal in Decidueye/Incineroar/Mimikyu for Smash.
Oh that's a LOT different from what I interpreted your post as. My apologies, I'm just sick of how Game Freak constantly panders to Gen I, they've been doing that since BW2 I wanna say and I'm just so tired of Gen I existing
That Snake Amiibo will be ****IN GLORIOUS!
NO BUBBLE BUTT NO BUY
 

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Am I the only one who will MARK THE **** OUT for Gengar in Smash AND for it to be the last Kanto rep ever? As much as I love the Kanto region, it's time for others to get their shares as well
You are right and why would we even get a fighter from a two-decade year old game, when the franchise is still alive and kicking? It's not an anniversary or anything.
 
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I really dont like thinking about the NEXT game after smash ultimate as, smash ultimate isnt here yet and with the inevitable DLC and patches etc... it could be a very "fresh" game for the next 2-4 years and we could easily not get another smash for 5-8years or something and with ultimate shaping up to bring nearly everything into one smash title, and even seems to be leaning towards competitive play, this game may have melee style lasting power.

that said whatever happens next will almost certainly be "different", it might cut the roster down but i feel if it did that it'll have to do with some huge gimmick for nintendos next console and whatever that looks like (virtual reality or something un-guessably futuristic? who knows, but something that huge could potentially justify a roster size down), we might not even get a "new" smash and rather get ultimate ported to the next system OR melee HD in the not too distant future to hold off the "next" smash even further in the future (say melee HD in 3-4 years and then another 5-7years after that before a true smash sequel, so that melee HD was just to somewhat tide smash fans over). Honestly if I had to guess we may not see another smash game for a long time, like 8-10years and this game may simply be supported by nintendo for a long time, its shaping up to look that way with nintendo dipping its foot into the Esports scene I feel like they want a game or two with that kind of lasting power they can capitalize on and "ultimate" feels like the case here.

We may also instead see "Smash racing" or "Smash party" or something to that effect where Nintendo uses the smash title and the idea of all the characters together for a completely different kind of game. essentially the hypotheticals after ultimate are endless so while its almost certain that whatever happens after ultimate will be very different than the smash scene has been at for a while now, lets enjoy this time while ultimate isnt out yet and further when the DLC isnt out yet and even after that while the game is still fresh and actively supported by Nintendo.

when we get to the point the future of smash isnt clear then we'll talk about it.
 

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Besides the previously discussed trailer "leak," I found a couple more. I decided to disregard the former leak that I brought up.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/422669825/#422669825
Newcomers: K. Rool, Dark Matter, Excitebiker, and Geno
Clones: Giygas and Isabelle
Echoes: Louie, Funky Kong, Ninten, Dark Meta Knight
This second leak is a copy of two leaks we've seen in the past (The imgur leak and the one that came before it). Either multiple sources saying the same thing or more piggybacking.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/422661941/#422661941
>July 9th
King K Rool: Japan Expo takes place in France (A place where the DKC cartoon was made in) and Smash Ultimate is going to be in the game
>August 1st
Isaac: Shares the same Japanese voice actor as Krystal.
>September 26th
Simon: Leaked by Vergeben and shares the same Japanese voice actor as Leif in FE Heroes.
>October 29th
Saki Amamiya: License for Sin and Punishment and a Smash Bros Logo were filed by Nintendo in the same day.
>November 17th
New Pokemon rep and Steve from Minecraft: stuff related to minecraft (stage = new fighter) was possibly leaked by Vergeben, A Pokemon rep will be coming too since the announcement date is the same as Pokemon UltraSun and UltraMoon's release date.
>December 5th
Elma: a report stated that Sakurai bought a mech to reference his latest project and shares the same Japanese voice actor as Tailtiu in FE Heroes.

Next, Here are the Echo Fighters that were teased but actually coming at launch of the game.

Chrom: Ike's chrom recolor was missing in the 1st demo version of smash bros ultimate.
Dark Samus: Samus' Dark Samus recolor was missing in the 1st demo version of smash bros ultimate.
Shadow: Knuckles replaced Shadow as a AT.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/422640907/#422640907
The game's roster is finished and some people in the leak scene know the whole thing, inculding me. This info was not easy to obtain.

Massive spoilers incoming.

Newcomers

Inkling
Ridley
Decidueye
Rex & Pyra
Spring Man
Shovel Knight
Steve

Echo Fighters

Daisy
Funky Kong (His side B he hits his opponent into the ground with his surfboard, his Up B spins it around)

That's the final roster. Sakurai was not kidding when he said not to expect many new fighters.

Also there's a new mode called Smash Quest. The main purpose of this mode is for unlocking characters. It only has one stage but every fighter's stage is different.
 

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You guys super excited about the Snake amiibo, meanwhile I'm over here excited about Pichu and Ice Climbers. That IC's amiibo is about to be sick.
 

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There's already an insulting amount of genwunner pandering on Gamefreak's behalf. Plz no more Kanto reps. The series did continue after 1996 and has evolved and improved since.
 
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