Also on the subject of a reboot: Hot take but until they actually have a good enough idea to top Ultimate (which could be never), I think a reboot's a terrible idea for a long long time, if ever.
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More of a fan favorite reboot those are the cash grab staples and some fan favorites
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Fox? Star Fox isn't too hot right now, it's future is very volatile. Actually, not to rip on it, but its sales performance looks pretty garbage to me. If we had a straight reboot that consisted of relevant and well-performing franchises, I would not expect Fox tbh. At least right now, Star Fox is a mainstay for Smash Bros, but it has seriously declined since 64.If we get a reboot 10 or 15 years down the road, here’s who I would expect to return.
Everyone else is chopping block material imo.
I know Fox makes sense for him and his series' legacy in Smash, but if there was a reboot that was a completely new, fresh start, I don't feel so good about Fox.
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For Skull Kid, I'd be hyped out of my goddamn mind.
I'd really be excited to play as Dark Samus IF and this is a really big IF here, she isn't an exact clone
I'd really love if Simon made it in, but I have to hope that they don't give him one of his awful designs.
For everyone else, I'd be either be lukewarm or be a tiny bit curious to try them out.
Oh yeah and Wonder Red would be cool, but c'mon...
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Toad - Okay
Paper Mario - Nice!
K Rool - Cool.
Dixie Kong - **** YEAH!
Skull kid - cool
Champion - (If urbosa or mipha) Cool. (if either of the other 2) why?
Dark Samus - (If echo) okay... (If semi-clone) cool (if unique) Nice!
Bandana Dee - Aww, yay!
Decidueye - Nice!
Incineroar - why?
Mimikyu - Cool.
Celica - okay
Elma - **** YEAH!
Rex and pyra - meh
Wonder red - cool
Dillon - okay
Springman - okay
Simon - cool
Crash - Nice!
Essentially my categories are why? < meh < okay < cool < nice! < **** YEAH!
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Awesome, I wanted these characters
Cool, not my personal favorites but good additions.
meh
Disappointed
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I’ll take that as an extra “ADD VIRIDI TO SMASH” support
maybe it’ll be ported over the same day they announce Pokémon 4
I’d go more for a combination of...eveyone cause no reboot only sequelsIf we get a reboot 10 or 15 years down the road, here’s who I would expect to return.
Everyone else is chopping block material imo.
Though if I had to choose...
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I don't think a reboot has to necessarily be better (which is entirely subjective anyway) as long as it's different. I would certainly hope they don't reboot Smash Bros. to be the exact same thing it's always been with a new aesthetic. If they're going to reboot the series, which I think they will, I think it'll be with a new gameplay style. That's what I'm interested in.
Honestly, the only reason I'm really interested in this game is because I finally got my boy in it. It's cool to see how it plays a little closer to Melee and hopefully it'll trend further that direction toward development (offensive and speed-wise, not tech other than wavelanding), but I played the everloving **** out of Project M and I'm a little worn out on the Smash formula. I would much rather see a new style, like traditional fighter or 3D arena combat or something else than the same thing with more characters again and again and again and again until the sun explodes.
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"TIME FOR ADVENTURE."
I'd be very happy.
I'm not really a fan of having multiple versions of the same guy, so blah.
Very happy for our K. Rool thread, and mildly happy myself.
Quite pleased. She deserves it.
A simple "neat" while being happy for those who've wanted him for so long.
Revali: Eh...
Urbosa: Neat!
Mipha: Happy I'd finally have my trident user!
Daruk: HYPE! Gorons are great.
Meh.
Happy because he's one of my brother's two most wanted newcomers.
MY BABY! Easily one of my top three most wanted newcomers.
I'd be sad over the lack of Decidueye, but because I like Incineroar too (though not as much) I wouldn't be too bummed.
If it's based on its in-game self? See Incineroar.
If it's based on its anime self? Kinda pissed. Anime Mimikyu is terrible.
[ MUFFLED "WITH MILA'S DIVINE PROTECTION" PLAYING IN THE DISTANCE ]
I'd prefer a different spell caster, but neat.
Haven't played X, but she looks cool.
Not my cup of tea. Hope they'd do something about Pyra's bad design.
[MASH A TO SAVE THE EARTH] intensifies
He's my brother's other most wanted newcomer, so I'd welcome him with open arms.
Gimme Toothpaste Boy.
My second most wanted third party, so I'd be hyped.
HOODABOOGAH.
My fourth most wanted newcomer
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"Meh. I probably won't be playing as him at all because his mobility is prolly trash, but good for his fans I suppose".
"Good for his fans, but I don't care that much."
"Finally, we can discuss a different controversial character! Also yay, I got one of my most wanted newcomers."
"I don't really care, but I guess she makes sense."
"Welp, time to change my avi to Dora the Explorer."
*Rolls eyes*
"YES! YES! THE DEE IS IN!!!!"
*sigh of relief*
"OH MY GOD THIS IS THE BEST SMASH GAME THANK YOU DADDY SAKURAI I PROMISE NOT TO ASK ANYTHING EVER AGAIN"
"Well, at least it's not Mimikyu. He could be fun to play as."
"Ugh... whatever. What's done is done. Still supporting Decidueye."
"Welp, time to get some french fries."
"Eh, pretty cool. Good for her fans."
"That was expected. Once again, pretty cool for her fans."
"Welp, time to eat that shoe." (Base game, at least)
"Huh, didn't see that coming."
"Do we get a remix of SotN's Dracula's Castle?"
"Woah!
....also pretty cool because I wanted him."
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I think this part of this video sums it up succinctly.
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Based off E3 who is the worst character in smash ultimate
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Star Fox has a strong history, and it's still relevant. The series has had two (technically three) releases within the past three years, and is crossing over into another series with another company. Miyamoto also claimed that he'll be putting forth more effort into the series going forward, so it isn't dead.
Sales as of late have been lackluster, true. Zero's problems were that it had forced controls, and that it was released on a dying console at the end of it's life cycle. I've no doubt that if they had help off Zero until the Switch for a launch title, with non-gamepad controls, it would've sold very well. I consider Zero a victim of circumstance.
If there was a completely new, fresh start reboot of the Smash series, there's no doubt in my mind we'd see Fox return.
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Captain Toad - Very Nice!!
Paper Mario - Neat, I suppose...
K. Rool - YESSS!!!
Dixie - Neat, I suppose...
Skull Kid - Neat, I suppose...
Champion - Cool!
Dark Samus- Meh, I don't care
Bandana Dee - YESSS!
Decidueye - Very Nice!!
Inceneroar - Meh, I don't care
Mimikyu - Neat, I suppose...
Celica - Very Nice!!
Ashley- Very Nice!!
Elma - HECK YEAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
Rex and Pyra- YESSS!!!
Wonder Red - Very Nice!!
Dillon - Meh, I don't care
Spring Man - Neat, I suppose...
Simon - HECK YEAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
Crash - Meh, I don't care
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I'm ever-so-slightly upset that Lycanroc is the only popular Gen VII you didn't list, but I guess I'll answer the question anyway.
If Paper Mario, Dixie, a Champion, Bandana Dee, or Spring Man were revealed, I'd jump out of my seat and dance around like an idiot.
If Captain Toad, K. Rool, Incineroar, Ashley, or Dillon were revealed, I'd smile and grin for the entire video.
If Skull Kid, Decidueye, Mimikyu, Elma, Rex/Pyra, or Wonder Red were revealed, I'd be a little disappointed, but content.
The rest? Either I wouldn't care at all, or I'd be genuinely upset that character got in Smash.
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If they ever do a Smash "Reboot" of sorts, I would honestly really hope if Capcom were the ones to do it. They've so far made some of my favorite competitive games throughout the years and if they could inject that into Smash, I'd just love that.
At least don't make it Smash: "we cut a lot of stuff out for the sake of 3rd parties edition" like MvC:Infinite
At least don't make it Smash: "we cut a lot of stuff out for the sake of 3rd parties edition" like MvC:Infinite
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I feel like we're somewhat saying the same things but differently. Regardless, the best move (in many ways) is to just keep building on Smash Ultimate and, if they do a reboot that doesn't build on any of the engines of the previous games, I absolutely agree that it needs something different.
That thing about it being different though is honestly something that we don't even have a proper answer to. Like, how will it be different? How should it be different? A ton of other questions I could ask that, quite frankly, nobody has the answer to currently.
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Captain Toad - I'd be happy to see him.
Paper Mario - I'm not a fan of adding another Mario, but he has his merits. I'd be alright with it.
King K. Rool - Happy that the series would be getting another character.
Dixie Kong - Wouldn't be surprised, but happy that the series would be getting another character.
Skull Kid - Not my first choice, but I'd be alright with it.
Champion - Daruk I wouldn't be excited for. Revali would be cool, but I'd fear for Decidueye. Mipha and Urbosa I'd be happy.
Dark Samus - Wouldn't be happy if she's an Echo, but I'd be alright if she'd end up being unique or a semi-clone.
Bandanna Dee - I'd be alright with it.
Decidueye - I'd be pretty excited.
Incineroar - I'd be interested in what he could do, but otherwise, I'd be disappointed.
Mimikyu - I'd be surprised and disappointed.
Celica - I'm not a fan of adding even more Fire Emblem characters to the roster.
Ashley - I'd probably be a bit disappointed at first, but I'd give her a chance.
Elma - I'd be happy to see her.
Rex & Pyra - I'd be alright with them.
Wonder Red - I'd probably be a bit disappointed.
Dillon - I'd be pretty neutral, but give him a chance.
Spring Man - I'd be surprised and pretty happy.
Simon - I'm not a fan of adding more 3rd Parties, but I'd give him a chance.
Crash - I'm not a fan of adding more 3rd Parties, and I'd be disappointed.
Slippy - I'd be hyped as hell.
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Have no reaction cause it was fairly expected - Ashley, Bandana Waddle Dee, Dixie Kong, Incineroar
Accept as solid choices that weren't brought up often - Wonder Red, Dillon, Crash
Not even a little surprised, but excited - Simon, Captain Toad, K.Rool, Mimikyu
Not even a little surprised, but not excited - Spring Man, Rex and Pyra
Oh no - a champion, Skull Kid, Dark Samus, Decidueye, Celica, Elma
Ooh nooo... - Paper Mario (Modern)
Even now there is hope for man - Paper Mario (Golden Age)
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Captain Toad- Yay!
Paper Mario- Meh
K. Rool- Dies from acute hype.
Dixie- Great!
Skull Kid- Kinda nice
Urbosa, Mipha or Rivali- Permission to squeeee!
Daruk- Good!
Dark Samus- Yay!
Dee- Nice!
Decidueye- Hype overload.
Incineroar- Hype overload.
Mimikyu- Hype overload.
Celica- Heart attack.
Ashley- Hip hip hooray!
Elma- Yay!
Rex and Pyra- Ahhhhhhhhh!!
Wonder Red- Kinda good.
Dillon- Victory dance!
Spring Man- Gooood. Actually meh.
Simon- Yay!
Crash- Blue screen.
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Literally all four are popular and incredibly important. What do you mean cashgrab?
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Will the smash 4 dlcs stay dlcs in ultimate or join the base roster?
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Boy, this kind of thinking is what stopped Dissidia Final Fantasy for 7 years and got us Theatrhythm Final Fantasy. Unless... *gasp* you want a Smash Bros. Rhythm Game!?
You MONSTER!
(Disclaimer: I'm just kidding. XD)
What? No. Why would you think that? They're base roster.
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Of course they're in the base roster.
Why would you think otherwise?
If he jumps it's worthless.
As long as he's not a clone.
Who didn't expect it?
Who didn't expect it?
Cool beans.
Don't care for their existence. Promotion characters only worked with Roy, Corrin was a flop IMO.
People will complain about Metroid becoming
Would like it, replace its assist trophy place with SA-X.Who didn't expect it?
I hate it for the sake of it being popular which makes me stand out
At least it's not Decidueye
At least it's not Decidueye
It's not Hector, so adding more Fire Emblem will attract more Fire Emblem hate.
because it's not Hector
Who didn't expect it?
A who didn't expect it? with detail; Rex and Pyra were likely out of the game considering that time it was proposed.
Who didn't expect it?: DLC only edition
I would actually be surprised.
I'd prefer the guy from Codename Steam but okay real Nindie hours rep I guess
Director said he won't, so he's either a liar or he just won't.
People will praise Verg as a prophet and I would be triggered.
Woah.
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Captain Toad - meh
Paper Mario - meh
K.Rool - FINALLY!
Dixie - meh
Skull Kid - Sounds cool
Urbosa - HECK YES! URBOSA'S FURY IS READY!
Revali - Cool
Daruk - meh
Mipha - meh
Dark Samus - meh
BWD - meh
Decidueye - Cool
Incineroar - OK
Mimikyu - OK
Celica - meh
Ashley - OK, makes sense
Elma - meh
Rex - meh
Wonder Red - Sounds cool
Dillon - meh
Spring man - Sounds cool
Simon - OK
Crash - meh
New addition: Dovahkiin - BEST THING EVER! THANK YOU SAKURAI!!!
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Researching about Nintendo SPD Group 1 (The developers behind all of the WarioWare and Rhythm Heaven titles), it does feel kind of depressing that their games are barely represented in Smash 4 outside of Wario, a few Assist Trophies and a couple of awesome stages like Game and Wario and WarioWare Inc. I would imagine Group 1 in particular were extremely thrilled about a character from one of their titles finally getting representation (Chorus Kids going by the Gematsu leak) in Smash 4's planning phase, and the Rhythm Heaven representation they get in Smash 4 is minimal. These developers have made some pretty awesome titles over the years like every RH title, Warioware D.I.Y., and WarioWare Twisted. It kind of depresses me to the point where I could see Sakurai making up to the SPD Group 1 team by not only adding Chorus Kids, but also add Ashley as well. It feels like all that SPD1 could do to survive now going forward is push for Ashley via merchandise and advertising in Japan and hoping that their 3DS compilation title (WarioWare Gold) succeeds to push the team to create more inventive games in future Nintendo platforms. SPD Group 1 has so much creative potential, and I would hate to see them die out so soon.
What I say probably will not reflect my final thoughts on promotional characters like Ashley, Dee, and Isabelle, but I thought this bit on SPD would be interesting to mention.
What I say probably will not reflect my final thoughts on promotional characters like Ashley, Dee, and Isabelle, but I thought this bit on SPD would be interesting to mention.
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Mimikyu would be Pikachu based only in design. It doesn’t even share the same typing with Pikachu...
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Well yeah that's what happens when you make good products (Sonic Mania counts).That they get money from the mear existence of
Park Avenue sound good, Aqua Road would be my choice the level looks wonderful and 'Moonlight Battlefield' is such a good song (Sakurai remix please).
Imperial Tower would be a funny stage imagine your singing the lyrics to Faded World while fighting next thing you know,
The lyrics get literal ("The Sun is falling in the sky beyond") and the stage hazard is the freaking Sun breaking through the sky and slowly dropping down on the stage to obliterate everyone's existence with an instakill, and you have to fight for the only teleport pod left ala Norfair stage. Have fun fighting for survival (especially if its 8 player Smash).
Fist Bump
Infinite's theme
Moonlit Battlefield
Fighting Onward
Justice
Fading World
Pssh More Leaks what pitiful, laughable, unbelievable, tabloidesque info we have n-
Lyn! Krystal! No, wait, I take it back, I TAKE IT BACK! IMMA BELIEVER! IMMA BELEIVER!
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Why is that a bad thing then? If he just looks somewhat like Pikachu, but is unique in his moveset, what’s the problem?
I’m genuinely curious.
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Captain Toad: Meh
Paper Mario: Meh, Don't Care.
K. Rool: HELL YEAH, BABY!
Dixie Kong: I Just Smile.
Skull KId: Don't care.
Champion: Don't care.
Dark Samus: That's good.
Bandana Dee: That's good.
Decidueye: Okay.
Incineroar: Meh.
Mimikyu: I'll give it a go.
Celica: Meh.
Ashley: Meh.
Elma: Okay,
Rex & Pyra: Okay.
Wonder Red: Yes!
Dillion: OH YES!
Spring Man: Yes!
Simon: I'd be okay with him.
Crash: Heck yeah!
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Captain Toad: Okay
Paper Mario: Not very hyped, but okay
K. Rool: Not surprised, not really hyped, but good for his fans
Dixie Kong: If alongside K. Rool - good for the DK fans, if not alongside K. Rool - let the flame wars begin...
Skull Kid: LOZ doesn't need another rep in my opinion, but Skull Kid could be an interesting addition. I'd be hyped ONLY if his final smash involved the Moon. It'd be cool to drop the f***ing Moon on your opponent.
A Champion: Mipha - okay, Revali - OKAY, Daruk or Urbosa - meh, Overall - meh, guess flavor of the month works.
Dark Samus: The most likely echo fighter imo, so not surprised.
Bandana Waddle Dee: Good for
Chandeelure
. I'm excited.
Decidueye: Meh
Incineroar: Nacho Libre? In my Smash Bros? That's pretty exciting
Mimikyu: The most hype Pokemon newcomer in my opinion, I'd be kind of excited
Celica: Surprised, excited, but also disappointed that we're getting another Sword Lord. Unless she's an Echo of Robin that has weaker physical attacks than the levin sword but stronger than the bronze sword without the durability mechanic and self-harms when performing specials, in which case, HYPE
Ashley is revealed: THE SPIRITS CAME THROUGH! BIG YES
Elma: Not surprised, but excited for another Xenoblade Rep.
Rex and Pyra: Definitely surprised, but definitely hyped because I love Xenoblade Chronicles 2.
Wonder Red: Meh.
Dillon: Also Meh.
Spring Man: Surprised, but excited for a new IP being represented.
Simon: not surprised, but definitely hyped.
Crash: YO! CRASH IN SMASH! ALL WE NEED IS MICROSOFT NOW AND WE CONSOLE WARS!
I'll add one more
Sora: Near crying, maximum hype
Paper Mario: Not very hyped, but okay
K. Rool: Not surprised, not really hyped, but good for his fans
Dixie Kong: If alongside K. Rool - good for the DK fans, if not alongside K. Rool - let the flame wars begin...
Skull Kid: LOZ doesn't need another rep in my opinion, but Skull Kid could be an interesting addition. I'd be hyped ONLY if his final smash involved the Moon. It'd be cool to drop the f***ing Moon on your opponent.
A Champion: Mipha - okay, Revali - OKAY, Daruk or Urbosa - meh, Overall - meh, guess flavor of the month works.
Dark Samus: The most likely echo fighter imo, so not surprised.
Bandana Waddle Dee: Good for
Chandeelure
. I'm excited.Decidueye: Meh
Incineroar: Nacho Libre? In my Smash Bros? That's pretty exciting
Mimikyu: The most hype Pokemon newcomer in my opinion, I'd be kind of excited
Celica: Surprised, excited, but also disappointed that we're getting another Sword Lord. Unless she's an Echo of Robin that has weaker physical attacks than the levin sword but stronger than the bronze sword without the durability mechanic and self-harms when performing specials, in which case, HYPE
Ashley is revealed: THE SPIRITS CAME THROUGH! BIG YES
Elma: Not surprised, but excited for another Xenoblade Rep.
Rex and Pyra: Definitely surprised, but definitely hyped because I love Xenoblade Chronicles 2.
Wonder Red: Meh.
Dillon: Also Meh.
Spring Man: Surprised, but excited for a new IP being represented.
Simon: not surprised, but definitely hyped.
Crash: YO! CRASH IN SMASH! ALL WE NEED IS MICROSOFT NOW AND WE CONSOLE WARS!
Sora: Near crying, maximum hype
Also, my thoughts on a Smash Reboot roster. I'd imagine it to be around 20-25 characters, those being:
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Captain Toad - Awesome, Toad gets the limelight yet again.
Paper Mario - Not really my top choice, but good to see he's in.
K. Rool - Finally, the four kings are in!
Dixie Kong - Awesome, hopefully this can lead to more Kongs.
Skull Kid - Well, he's a good Zelda rep choice I suppose.
champion - Don't really care, but good to those who expected them.
Dark Samus - Nice, Samus gets a human-sized opponent now.
Bandana Waddle Dee - I knew he'd be easy to justify as playable.
Decidueye - He's neat and all, but I'd have preferred to see Incineroar.
Celica - Another FE sword user? Probably won't be another Marth echo, at least.
Ashley - I wish they'd have picked Mona instead.
Elma - Don't really know much about her game of origin, but she might be cool.
Rex and Pyra - See Elma above.
Wonder Red - The Wonderful 101 have been saved!
Dillon - I knew more ATs could be promoted!
Spring Man - Neat, maybe this can lead to Ribbon Girl being included.
Simon - YES!
Crash - *does Crash dance*
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C. Toad: Meh
Paper Mario: Meeeeeh
K. Rool: freaking awesome!!
Dixie Kong: cool
Skull Kid: ok.
BOTW Champion: meh
Dark Samus: meh
Bandana Dee: meh but expected, so ok.
Decidueye: Meh
Incineroar: ok
Mimikyu: cool
Celica: meh
Ashley: meh
Elma: ok
Rex and Pyra: ok because of waifu
Wonder Red: ok
Dillon: I like his design, cool.
Spring Man: Expected, no hype or anything.
Simon: Awesome.
Crash: Cool.
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