Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[MamaLuigi123456]

Hmm, have we got any sort of reveals in this kind of event before?

Also, speaking of Ubisoft/Rayman, what are you guys' take on the Rabbids? Do you think they'll make an appearance in Smash? I just finished the Donkey Kong Adventure DLC in Mario + Rabbids and Rabbid Peach is like officially one of my favorite characters right now. I feel like an ordinary trophy in Smash is a given, but an Assist Trophy of a crazy gun wielding Rabbid would be great as well.
Or playable?

Rabbid Mario is my most-wanted newcomer, even though I don't actually think he's likely.
There's always DLC, but the fact this roster was decided December 2015 pretty much dashes any hope he had.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Well it seems like all 3rd parties are getting at least two.

This sounds suspiciously like one of those rules we make up that Sakurai obviously doesn’t play by.

Us: “X will never be in Smash! They don’t add third parties!”
*Sakurai adds Sonic*
Us: “Well, Y can’t be in because they only add one rep from each third party company!”
*Sakurai adds Ryu and Bayo*
Us: “Z is totally in because we have to get two from each company!”

 

[Pakky]

This sounds suspiciously like one of those rules we make up that Sakurai obviously doesn’t play by.

Us: “X will never be in Smash! They don’t add third parties!”
*Sakurai adds Sonic*
Us: “Well, Y can’t be in because they only add one rep from each third party company!”
*Sakurai adds Ryu and Bayo*
Us: “Z is totally in because we have to get two from each company!”

Also fair, I concede.

 

[KMDP]

This sounds suspiciously like one of those rules we make up that Sakurai obviously doesn’t play by.

Us: “X will never be in Smash! They don’t add third parties!”
*Sakurai adds Sonic*
Us: “Well, Y can’t be in because they only add one rep from each third party company!”
*Sakurai adds Ryu and Bayo*
Us: “Z is totally in because we have to get two from each company!”

That or: "Z can't get in because we can only have two from each company!"
Arbitrary rules, man.

 

[Pakky]

That or, "Z can't get in because we can ony have two from each company!"
Arbitrary rules, man.

Which reminds me, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE EGGMAN!!!!

Subjective I know but mannnnnn I don't want Shadow, ugh.

Mania has done things to my perception of the Sonic series

Both are objectively fine but if you'd ask me who would I prefer? Eggman.

Also completely subjective but Shadow's 'tone' is uncanny.

Even the more realistic characters in Smash have goofy stuff in their series

Just her sometimes and or the angels

He fought the Apes from Ape Escape.

 

[92MilesPrower]

Unlike the Rabbids, Rayman has been around for years. Heck, he's the reason why they even exist in the first place. I'm pretty sure that after the whole ordeal with Artsy Omni's fake Rayman "leak," plenty of fans could've have voted for him on the ballot, and the three trophies in Wii U could've made some people also support him in the ballot. Thing is, we STILL DON'T KNOW THE RESULTS ASIDE FROM BAYONETTA WHY CAN'T YOU RELEASE THE RESULTS AAAUUGGHH

 

[Wyoming]

That or, "Z can't get in because we can ony have two from each company!"
Arbitrary rules, man.

Phoenix Wright will object to Ryu and Mega Man, damn it.

As an assist trophy....if he's lucky . Hell just put one AA song and I'll be hyped.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Cosmic77 A while ago, NantenJex of Source Gaming DMed memoryman3 on the matter and memory said Daisy, Waluigi and Boo amiibo data was all bugged in Wooly World. Apparently, he said every amiibo is listed as having multiple, but a glitch caused this to be missed on Daisy, Waluigi and Boo. Daisy was later updated in a patch to work with multiple amiibo but not the other two, which is odd. It is more of a lucky coincidence than pointing to Dee, as of now. So the amiibo theory is bogus.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Cosmic77 A while ago, NantenJex of Source Gaming DMed memoryman3 on the matter and memory said Daisy, Waluigi and Boo amiibo data was all bugged in Wooly World. Apparently, he said every amiibo is listed as having multiple, but a glitch caused this to be missed on Daisy, Waluigi and Boo. Daisy was later updated in a patch to work with multiple amiibo but not the other two, which is odd. It is more of a lucky coincidence than pointing to Dee, as of now. So the amiibo theory is bogus.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76514442

This is the only source on the matter I could find. The fact that the only one supporting it is Memoryman doesn't bode well for this being accurate/true at all.

It's funny going back to read this though as most people have egg on their face for saying Daisy will never be in Smash lol (Memoryman too as he says Daisy would be unique).

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

That's subjective.

Nooooo, I thought it was a fact

This sounds suspiciously like one of those rules we make up that Sakurai obviously doesn’t play by.

Us: “X will never be in Smash! They don’t add third parties!”
*Sakurai adds Sonic*
Us: “Well, Y can’t be in because they only add one rep from each third party company!”
*Sakurai adds Ryu and Bayo*
Us: “Z is totally in because we have to get two from each company!”

I'd like to revisit an earlier statement I made, there are actually ZeRo (pun intended) anti-character arguments, Sakurai does what he wants, and isn't inclined to tell you what he wants

Which reminds me, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE EGGMAN!!!!

Subjective I know but mannnnnn I don't want Shadow, ugh.

Mania has done things to my perception of the Sonic series

Both are objectively fine but if you'd ask me who would I prefer? Eggman.

If we get a sonic newcomer It's going to be tails, anyone else in before him would be ridiculous, once we get Tails, then we can talk eggman.
Sorry I'm a little late, my internet fell apart for a little bit

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

If we get another Sonic character I want it to be Amy.

She can do a lot of the things Sonic can, but she's also armed with a hammer like Dedede or Ice Climbers. I think that could lead to an interesting playstyle.

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

If we get another Sonic character I want it to be Amy.

She can do a lot of the things Sonic can, but she's also armed with a hammer like Dedede or Ice Climbers. I think that could lead to an interesting playstyle.

Says the dedede main. sure your not biased?
Also, she'd be part sonic clone, part ice climbers clone. That's a whole new level of clone-ness. Ignore my post about dr. luigi

 

[splat]

Unlike the Rabbids, Rayman has been around for years.

Keep in mind the Rabbids were created in 2006, so they’re almost 12 years old (!) as well. They’re older than the likes of Bayo, WFT, Robin and Rosalina.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Says the dedede main. sure your not biased?
Also, she'd be part sonic clone, part ice climbers clone. That's a whole new level of clone-ness. Ignore my post about dr. luigi

What can I say? I like having high damage and long range

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Keep in mind the Rabbids were created in 2006, so they’re almost 12 years old (!) as well. They’re older than the likes of Bayo, WFT, Robin and Rosalina.

And that matters...?

What can I say? I like having high damage and long range

and not moving? being a heavy weight sucks, in my humble opinion, that's the main reason I main sonic

 

[Jubileus57]

And that matters...?

About as much as Rayman being there for a longer time that the Rabbids

 

[Enchess]

Anyone else getting really excited for possible events with the newcomers + previously DLC characters?

vs army of is an obvious one
Dragon Fight ()
vs giant
vs (maybe even require FLUDD to kill Inkling)
:ultrobinvs (who is the true spellsword?)
vs
And of course:
Giant vs Giant vs Giant vs Giant on Fourside

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

and not moving? being a heavy weight sucks, in my humble opinion, that's the main reason I main sonic

my man if you're able to master Gordo Throw and can read your opponents' reactions, Dedede hardly needs to get in harm's way.

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Anyone else getting really excited for possible events with the newcomers + previously DLC characters?
vs

that would probably be better a FFA, and without accounting for buffs or nerf rosa affiliates (I'm leaving that in there cause Grammarly sucks)

 

[KMDP]

If we get another Sonic character I want it to be Amy.

She can do a lot of the things Sonic can, but she's also armed with a hammer like Dedede or Ice Climbers. I think that could lead to an interesting playstyle.

Unfortunately, Tails, Eggman and Shadow would be higher priority (says the guy with the Tails avatar ), though I don't disagree that Amy would be unique (just look at Sonic Advance, for instance!)
Fah-fah-Fire, Fire~!

I'm a guy who is of the opinion that the Sonic series should go back to having multiple non-Sonic characters again; heck, I directly told Sonic Team in that one Sonic Forces questionnaire they did that I believe that Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Rouge, Cream and Blaze should all be made playable again (reasoning: they're all variations on the Sonic theme, are close enough that you don't have to make entirely new playstyles for them, while being unique enough to have, say, multiple paths).
I did forget to say I think they should scale back the Boost mechanic, though... XD

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

my man if you're able to master Gordo Throw and can read your opponents' reactions, Dedede hardly needs to get in harm's way.

Then Bayonetta.
Sorry, Was dlc going too far?

 

[Pakky]

If we get a sonic newcomer It's going to be tails, anyone else in before him would be ridiculous, once we get Tails, then we can talk eggman.
Sorry I'm a little late, my internet fell apart for a little bit

Tails ain't bad but you wouldn't have a Sonic game without Eggman.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Anyone else getting really excited for possible events with the newcomers + previously DLC characters?

vs army of is an obvious one
Dragon Fight ()
vs giant
vs (maybe even require FLUDD to kill Inkling)
:ultrobinvs (who is the true spellsword?)
vs
And of course:
Giant vs Giant vs Giant vs Giant on Fourside

We need K. Rool for a Triple Trouble King event.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Dragon Fight ()

Well we need a dragonslayer for that...

 

[Arcanir]

I've been guessing at 7 mostly cause of this:

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I know its arbitrary, but this is the first time they've numbered the newcomers and made a point about the original 12 so i think guessing at the CSS being laid out this way actually has some merit behind it (and yes i know after dlc it probly wouldnt look "clean" but the 3ds version of smash 4 had a button to select DLC so they could repeat this here).

of course 12 newcomers also fits the mention of the original 12 though so im kinda banking on either of those (7 or 12) being our number of newcomers before DLC.

Theres also something kinda neat you can do if you take the echo fighters away (as in somehow they share a spot the way they share a "number" with their counter part). you can lay out a CSS where the mii's and random fall on the "edges" and also all the newcomers have a staggered row to themselves separate from ALL the past fighters (again kind of emphasizing the EVERYONE IS HERE thing):

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Ignore the character choices, I just wanted to point out the cool CSS layout that works if you put everyone in AND remove the echo fighters/make them somehow select-able on the same icon as their counterpart... not sure if i think they'll get their own icon or not though...

ya know i might just make a video about the CSS and the debate for "how many more characters we have coming", its sort of dumb to try and predict based on this info as sakurai has never been one for a clean CSS and hes always added "clones" or cut planned characters right before the end of development so the CSS seems like an after thought to him, but at the same time we've never gone into smash speculation with the knowledge that every vets returning and that they are all numbered so we have a much better precedence to think this may mean something for our CSS and total number of characters.

It is possible, but like you said, it's questionable to rely on the CSS since what we speculate from it can be off from what is the actual result. With the Smash 4 DLC for instance, we only thought we'd get 6 partially because the CSS would have perfect symmetry with that exact number of characters, but it ended up being wrong and we got one more character who broke it. This is even more then case when you consider we got that additional character during development as the original datamine only hinted to six, but Sakurai added in another regardless and thus didn't mind how it affected the CSS.

 

[splat]

And that matters...?

Have you read the post I responded to? “Unlike the Rabbids, Rayman has been around for years”, I mean I don’t care about the Rabbids at all but that’s just spreading false information. Twelve years is a LONG time, which a fair few Smash character can’t say just yet.

 

[KMDP]

:ultrobinvs (who is the true spellsword?)

Add Isaac (and Celica, I guess) to that event and we're Golden, son.

 

[Enchess]

Unfortunately, Tails, Eggman and Shadow would be higher priority (says the guy with the Tails avatar ), though I don't disagree that Amy would be unique (just look at Sonic Advance, for instance!)
Fah-fah-Fire, Fire-!

I'm a guy who is of the opinion that the Sonic series should go back to having multiple non-Sonic characters again; heck, I directly told Sonic Team in that one Sonic Forces questionnaire they did that I believe that Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Rouge, Cream and Blaze should all be made playable again (reasoning: they're all variations on the Sonic theme, are close enough that you don't have to make entirely new playstyles for them, while being unique enough to have, say, multiple paths).
I did forget to say I think they should scale back the Boost mechanic, though... XD

I feel like Sonic needs to scale back the speed in general, as much as that sounds like heresy. I've come to realize lately that I liked the great 2D games more for the branching pathways, tight level design, wonderful art and soundtrack, and slower more platforming intensive sections than the speed. I just thought I loved the speed most because it was the most obvious part of the game. Those aspects have largely been lost since the move to 3D and instead of working on the (imo) real reason Sonic was great they are doubling down on the (imo) mistaken reason Sonic was great.

My feelings on the other characters are similar. They forced more thoughtful design when they were playable because they didn't want to make them as fast as Sonic. I think that's why when I tried to go back to Sonic Adventure 2 again I found myself enjoying playing as everyone except Sonic and Shadow.

Add Isaac (and Celica, I guess) to that event and we're Golden, son.

So you caught the real reason I want a spellsword event haha

 

[KMDP]

Well we need a dragonslayer for that...
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Reminder that Marth, Roy and Lucina have swords with Dragon-slaying properties. (Muhahaha...)

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Tails ain't bad but you wouldn't have a Sonic game without Eggman.

Luigi was in 64, Bowser was not. important sidekick over villain, please

 

[Tri Knight]

I want an 8-player event match bewteen Link, Young Link, Toon Link, Ganondorf, Zelda, and the 3 Dark versions of the 3 Links.

 

[Pakky]

Luigi was in 64, Bowser was not. important sidekick over villain, please

Hardware limitations were involved with that I believe and or time .

Also without the villain in most cases you don't have a game.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

The Rabbids are the friggin' Minions of gaming. Small, round, and annoying. lol

That said, I don't think Sakurai would ignore the outcry for Rayman from the fans over the Rabbids if considering approaching Ubisoft about a character. I could see Ubisoft asking for an Assassin's Creed protagonist (either instead or in addition to), though, since it's one of their biggest franchises. They've been pumpin' out Assassin's Creed games like crazy.

 

[splat]

Hardware limitations were involved with that I believe and or time .

Also without the villain in most cases you don't have a game.

See also: Donkey Kong, Fox.

 

[Chandeelure]

Well we need a dragonslayer for that...
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We already have that

 

[Enchess]

I want an 8-player event match bewteen Link, Young Link, Toon Link, Ganondorf, Zelda, and the 3 Dark versions of the 3 Links.

This sounds awesome. I'm not sure who we'd control though.

Alternatively, we could be Ganondorf and go against Link (BotW), Alt costume Link (LoZ), Young Link (MM), Toon Link (WW), Shiek (OoT), Impa (if in), and Zelda (LttP) for an event representative of Ganondorf's eternal struggle to create a world where Gerudo are not forced to live in isolation in the desert while Hylians live in luxury.

 

[Pakky]

See also: Donkey Kong, Fox.

Wait I'm not sure I get what you mean.

 

[KMDP]

My feelings on the other characters are similar. They forced more thoughtful design when they were playable because they didn't want to make them as fast as Sonic. I think that's why when I tried to go back to Sonic Adventure 2 again I found myself enjoying playing as everyone except Sonic and Shadow.

Glad there's someone who agrees with me. When I told my sister my thoughts about my thoughts on the characters around Christmas time, all she had to say on the matter was "you just want Amy, Cream, Rouge and Blaze because they're girls." (well, that and: "why isn't Silver on that list?")
I mean, yeah, kinda? But that's ignoring that they bring unique things to Sonic (Amy's hammer, Cream has Cheese, Rouge can both fly and glide, Blaze is a variation of Sonic with ballet instead of breakdancing. )

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Unfortunately, Tails, Eggman and Shadow would be higher priority (says the guy with the Tails avatar ), though I don't disagree that Amy would be unique (just look at Sonic Advance, for instance!)
Fah-fah-Fire, Fire-!

I'm a guy who is of the opinion that the Sonic series should go back to having multiple non-Sonic characters again; heck, I directly told Sonic Team in that one Sonic Forces questionnaire they did that I believe that Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Rouge, Cream and Blaze should all be made playable again (reasoning: they're all variations on the Sonic theme, are close enough that you don't have to make entirely new playstyles for them, while being unique enough to have, say, multiple paths).
I did forget to say I think they should scale back the Boost mechanic, though... XD

And sonic forces is worth remembering why?

Hardware limitations were involved with that I believe and or time .

Also without the villain in most cases you don't have a game.

I'd like to say, I'm not against Eggman, Tails just takes priority. As a rule, society bonds with the sidekick over the villain or even the hero, this raises his chances over Eggman, how would be extremely complicated anyway, think of his mech, while tails would be Mewtwo plus duck hunt, an annoying projectile character glass cannon

 

[Enchess]

Glad there's someone who agrees with me. When I told my sister my thoughts about my thoughts on the characters around Christmas time, all she had to say on the matter was "you just want Amy, Cream, Rouge and Blaze because they're girls." (well, that and: "why isn't Silver on that list?")
I mean, yeah, kinda? But that's ignoring that they bring unique things to Sonic (Amy's hammer, Cream has Cheese, Rouge can both fly and glide, Blaze is a variation of Sonic with ballet instead of breakdancing. )

Don't forget Big. He has fishing! He was almost a fun character with poorly realized but interesting mechanics! I actually unironically would like them to give him another go.