Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[92MilesPrower]

https://mynintendonews.com/2018/06/...8-line-up-taking-place-5th-8th-july-in-paris/

There's has to be a new character reveal.

If there's any character reveal that'd be perfect for France, it would be Rayman. But I have my doubts that there will be a character reveal, it doesn't really seem like an event for revealing a character, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Enchess]

https://mynintendonews.com/2018/06/...8-line-up-taking-place-5th-8th-july-in-paris/

There's has to be a new character reveal.

The K Rool reveal July 9 leak just skyrocketed in credibility for me. I'm pretty sure that was before this was announced.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

https://mynintendonews.com/2018/06/...8-line-up-taking-place-5th-8th-july-in-paris/

There's has to be a new character reveal.

Eh I don't think there has been at events like this in the past.

Going back to a post from pages ago, we should really only expect reveals from places we received them in the past which is really just E3 and directs (or if Sakurai decides to randomly upload one like he did with Robin & Lucina).

If there's any character reveal that'd be perfect for France, it would be Rayman. But I have my doubts that there will be a character reveal, it doesn't really seem like an event for revealing a character, but that's just my opinion.

Ooo except this. This makes some sense lol. (Still unlikely).

 

[Takasmash]

If there's any character reveal that'd be perfect for France, it would be Rayman. But I have my doubts that there will be a character reveal, it doesn't really seem like an event for revealing a character, but that's just my opinion.

Oh I hope so it make too much sense Ubisoft and Nintendo relationship are great. My Man Rayman needs to be in Smash Ultimate he's my number 1 third partie if I cant get Takamaru then I want Rayman.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

As someone who plays way too much Mario Kart DS, (remember that game?) my only wish is for daisy to use as many annoying sound effects as humanly possible
YO!

I need Daisy’s annoying taunts in my life.

I can’t wait to have all of the ladies battle it out in their royal gowns. It’s hysterical to watch.

Minor tangent: I assume we’re getting that godly Super Mario Land Underground remix back; are we also potentially getting Mushroomy Kingdom 1-2?

 

[Pakky]

Oh I hope so it make too much sense Ubisoft and Nintendo relationship are great. My Man Rayman needs to be in Smash Ultimate he's my number 1 third partie if I cant get Takamaru then I want Rayman.

I too enjoy the man made of ray.

 

[Enchess]

I don't see Rayman getting in base game. I feel like Nintendo won't want to go through trouble of securing even more rights for base game. I can only see other 3rd party characters getting in if they could've been obtained as a package deal with 3rd parties already in roster.

But with Ubi and Nintendo having their big love affair at the moment, I'm expecting him as DLC at this point.

 

[Pakky]

I don't see Rayman getting in base game. I feel like Nintendo won't want to go through trouble of securing even more rights for base game. I can only see other 3rd party characters getting in if they could've been obtained as a package deal with 3rd parties already in roster.

But with Ubi and Nintendo having their big love affair at the moment, I'm expecting him as DLC at this point.

He was already in base version of Smash for WiiU

 

[Arcadenik]

Oh! I just thought of something!

We haven't seen the Game Boy stage from SSB4 3DS in Smash Ultimate yet. You know, the one based on Kirby's Dream Land?

What if the reason we haven't seen that stage yet is because they are replacing it with a new Game Boy stage... one based on Super Mario Land?

 

[Enchess]

He was already in base version of Smash for WiiU

As a trophy. Rights for trophy and rights for playable character are likely orders of magnitude different in their difficulty to obtain.

 

[Cosmic77]

I think after knowing this game might be more fan servicey with it's choice that Bandanna Dee is just as likely if not more. The Kirby series is loved in Japan and Bandanna Dee is heavily marketed. There's really no reason not to add him. The whole "He might be seen as a goomba" completely ignores all that marketing he receives.

Didn't the data miner make a mistake or something? I remember them back tracking on it shortly after and that's why people stopped holding on to it.

It could also be for literally any other Waddle Dee amiibo. It's possibly we could still get a Star Allies line, yes it would be weird timing but the game as a whole has had weird timing (seriously they've been teasing the next wave of DLC forever and still haven't mentioned Adeline). Basically while it's interesting it isn't actually supporting evidence.

I think this will be the best opportunity for Bandana Dee. He checks off the same qualifications Ridley has, being even more relevant than the space dragon himself.


And as far as the amiibo thing goes, I don't remember there being any mistakes or backtracking. Most people just wrote it off because "LOL Daisy?" and never revisited it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76514442

While it is possible that Bandana Dee/Waddle Dee could get another amiibo, it would have to be sometime soon in order for it to aline with the datamine (Don't think they'd program something like this that early). Since Star Allies doesn't do anything special for Kirby amiibo like Robobot did, I doubt we'd get anything like a new wave of amiibo.

I do think this would qualify as supporting evidence since the game can specifically recognize multiple Waddle Dee amiibo. Unless something weird and unexpected happens in the next six months, I'll assume the game is referring to something SSB-related or just made a mistake.

 

[Jubileus57]

Oh I hope so it make too much sense Ubisoft and Nintendo relationship are great. My Man Rayman needs to be in Smash Ultimate he's my number 1 third partie if I cant get Takamaru then I want Rayman.

Well, Rabbids are another option.

They've become much more iconic and popular than Rayman anyways.

 

[Staarih]

https://mynintendonews.com/2018/06/...8-line-up-taking-place-5th-8th-july-in-paris/

There's has to be a new character reveal.

Hmm, have we got any sort of reveals in this kind of event before?

Also, speaking of Ubisoft/Rayman, what are you guys' take on the Rabbids? Do you think they'll make an appearance in Smash? I just finished the Donkey Kong Adventure DLC in Mario + Rabbids and Rabbid Peach is like officially one of my favorite characters right now. I feel like an ordinary trophy in Smash is a given, but an Assist Trophy of a crazy gun wielding Rabbid would be great as well.
Or playable?

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Personally, If we got nothing extra for this game, I would be completely fine with that. the amount of work that went into it is mind-boggling, and after this, there are no newcomers that are truly being snubbed, except for maybe another pokemon rep, but not really. anything extra we get is truly extra, and any complaints are just nitpicks, the best mindset going into this is the one Sakurai (supposedly) has, the roster limit is about 20, anything more is just extra
Sorry, It just feels like we don't know enough to say anything with certainty, and it's more productive to do wishlists than predictions

 

[Jubileus57]

Hmm, have we got any sort of reveals in this kind of event before?

Also, speaking of Ubisoft/Rayman, what are you guys' take on the Rabbids? Do you think they'll make an appearance in Smash? I just finished the Donkey Kong Adventure DLC in Mario + Rabbids and Rabbid Peach is like officially one of my favorite characters right now. I feel like an ordinary trophy in Smash is a given, but an Assist Trophy of a crazy gun wielding Rabbid would be great as well.
Or playable?

Give me Rabbid Peach over the monstrosity that is Rayman any day.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I think this will be the best opportunity for Bandana Dee. He checks off the same qualifications Ridley has, being even more relevant than the space dragon himself.


And as far as the amiibo thing goes, I don't remember there being any mistakes or backtracking. Most people just wrote it off because "LOL Daisy?" and never revisited it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76514442

While it is possible that Bandana Dee/Waddle Dee could get another amiibo, it would have to be sometime soon in order for it to aline with the datamine (Don't think they'd program something like this that early). Since Star Allies doesn't do anything special for Kirby amiibo like Robobot did, I doubt we'd get anything like a new wave of amiibo.

I do think this would qualify as supporting evidence since the game can specifically recognize multiple Waddle Dee amiibo. Unless something weird and unexpected happens in the next six months, I'll assume the game is referring to something SSB-related or just made a mistake.

I think that's fair. Honestly how they are handling Star Allies Dlc as a whole is super weird, and it would only be weirder if we were to get amiibos for the game this late (I mean Bandanna Dee was a base game character too..)

Hopefully it's not just an error they didn't clean up. That would be both dissapointing for his fans and for the sake of speculation.

Speaking of smash Amiibo, when will we be able to preorder Ridley?! I hope it's not until they are all released, because that will he forever

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Give me Rabbid Peach over the monstrosity that is Rayman any day.

How bout neither? cause that's what seems best to me

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Speaking of smash Amiibo, when will we be able to preorder Ridley?! I hope it's not until they are all released, because that will he forever

I dunno if they’re going to do that. Remember the whole fiasco with the other ones, so they just stopped preorders altogether?

Smash amiibo sell, so I think we need to resign ourselves to store-rushing for them. Don’t get me wrong, I want to see a whole new set, but it’ll be tough to collect them all.

 

[Takasmash]

If Rabbids got in smash over Rayman so god help.

 

[Pakky]

Give me Rabbid Peach over the monstrosity that is Rayman any day.

How bout neither? cause that's what seems best to me

Why not both?

Who else is Ubi going to have for their second rep?

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Why not both?

Who else is Ubi going to have for their second rep?

And they need a second rep why?

 

[Takasmash]

Hmm, have we got any sort of reveals in this kind of event before?

Also, speaking of Ubisoft/Rayman, what are you guys' take on the Rabbids? Do you think they'll make an appearance in Smash? I just finished the Donkey Kong Adventure DLC in Mario + Rabbids and Rabbid Peach is like officially one of my favorite characters right now. I feel like an ordinary trophy in Smash is a given, but an Assist Trophy of a crazy gun wielding Rabbid would be great as well.
Or playable?

Honestly I hate Rabbids but I hate to admit they're possible. Rabbids could be in Smash Ultimate over Rayman. They work better as assist trophy not a stand alone character. Man I could see Ubisoft asking to put Rabbids in smash. I hate it Rayman makes more sense than Rabbids. Plus Rabbids are hatted granted we did get Daisy. I just want Rayman in Smash Ultimate.

 

[Jubileus57]

If Rabbids got in smash over Rayman so god help.

Tastes aside, I feel the Rabbids have been overshadowing Rayman as Ubisoft's mascot for a long time, and are far more recognizable than him to the younger generation. As someone who lives in France you seldom see a single Rayman product around while the Rabbids are everywhere... it isnt too unreasonable to think that the Rabbids could get in while Rayman doesnt.
And didn't Rayman's game bomb hard in Japan?

 

[Murlough]

I don't know how the Rabbids are popular. I would rather we got 3 minecraft characters than see Rabbids in the game.

Their design is hideous, worse than Minions by a mile, and their sooo obnoxious.

If someone wants to fill me in on why they aren't the worst thing ever, go for it.

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Honestly I hate Rabbids but I hate to admit they're possible. Rabbids could be in Smash Ultimate over Rayman. They work better as assist trophy not a stand alone character. Man I could see Ubisoft asking to put Rabbids in smash. I hate it Rayman makes more sense than Rabbids. Plus Rabbids are hatted granted we did get Daisy. I just want Rayman in Smash Ultimate.

but people actually like Daisy, her voice is the only real reason not to, (granted it's a good reason) but Rabbids in smash, almost more than Waluigi and Ridley combined, are meme incarnate

 

[Pakky]

And they need a second rep why?

Well it seems like all 3rd parties are getting at least two.
Though due to their popularity Rabbids are now they're own thing apart from Rayman.

So I don't see why they couldn't both be in Smash.

Namco still doesn't have a 2nd rep as neither does Konami.

However the Simon Belmont thing may not be complete nonsense for how random it was at a time of no info, but we'll see.

Namco I see getting another one, as Lloyd's costume was in the previous game.

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Well it seems like all 3rd parties are getting at least two.
Though due to their popularity Rabbids are now they're own thing apart from Rayman.

So I don't see why they couldn't both be in Smash.

Namco still doesn't have a 2nd rep as neither does Konami.

However the Simon Belmont thing may not be complete nonsense for how random it was at a time of no info, but we'll see.

Namco I see getting another one, as Lloyd's costume was in the previous game.

See above post about Rabbids being trash

 

[Pakky]

See above post about Rabbids being trash

That's subjective.

 

[Takasmash]

Tastes aside, I feel the Rabbids have been overshadowing Rayman as Ubisoft's mascot for a long time, and are far more recognizable than him to the younger generation. As someone who lives in France you seldom see a single Rayman product around while the Rabbids are everywhere... it isnt too unreasonable to think that the Rabbids could get in while Rayman doesnt.
And didn't Rayman's game bomb hard in Japan?

My ears cant stand the truth its possible man this ain't fare.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I dunno if they’re going to do that. Remember the whole fiasco with the other ones, so they just stopped preorders altogether?

Smash amiibo sell, so I think we need to resign ourselves to store-rushing for them. Don’t get me wrong, I want to see a whole new set, but it’ll be tough to collect them all.

What do you mean? I just pre-ordered the Pearl and Marina amiibo last month. Or are you reffering to Smash Amiibo only? Did they really stop releasing pre orders on them because that's horrible :/

Well it seems like all 3rd parties are getting at least two.
Though due to their popularity Rabbids are now they're own thing apart from Rayman.

So I don't see why they couldn't both be in Smash.

Namco still doesn't have a 2nd rep as neither does Konami.

However the Simon Belmont thing may not be complete nonsense for how random it was at a time of no info, but we'll see.

Namco I see getting another one, as Lloyd's costume was in the previous game.

There's also Square with Cloud you forgot...yea that means there would need to be a minimum of 3 new third party characters and many also suspect Ubisoft so 5 new third parties??? Yea I don't think every third party is gunna get 2 reps.

 

[Arcadenik]

Why not both?

Who else is Ubi going to have for their second rep?

Prince of Persia?

 

[Enchess]

Bandana Dee conversation has driven me to lock in my roster predictions. I'll try to characterize my confidence in each with % chance.

Newcomers I think are in:
K Rool: I feel like it's likely he won the ballot. I don't consider him 'realizable' for Smash 4 DLC at all due to having no recent character models or animations that could be used as a base. Plus as many have pointed out he had considerable proportion issues similar to Ridley. There is no way they would try to get him done in a reasonable time period for DLC with these issues even if he got 1st. His brand new model for Mii costume is evidence that Nintendo is aware of his popularity. I also believe DKC6 is in development and will feature a return of Kremlings, making him relevant again. My reasons for this are the street signs in Odyssey, the reference in TF, and the Mii costume. Plus with TF port to Switch done by Retro themselves I doubt Retro is done with DKC.
Confidence: 40% (cons: growing obscure, has a much worse size problem than Ridley ever did, moveset potential almost exclusively from Captain, Baron, and Boxer incarnations)

Bandana Dee: It may not seem like it, but I actually do believe the datamine thing points to his inclusion. I do think it's likely he'll be the resident joke character this time around. Don't be surprised if he sucks on purpose (I hope not), but even if viable I expect him to be characterized by looking like he's out of his league and knows it. Think Luigi's expression in dash attack.
Confidence: 35% (cons: basic enemy)

Isaac: I know this sounds like wishful thinking, but I find it incredibly strange that Isaac lost his AT but gained music. He was a very popular and iconic AT. I believe Sakurai has a "if time allows" list and he put Isaac on it. I don't have any evidence other than a hunch, but it still makes sense to me.
Confidence: 25% (cons: I'd call him semi-obscure, relevance issue, another sword user even though he really doesn't even need to use it to have full moveset)

Rhythm Heaven Rep: There's some small evidence someone from RH was considered before and got cut. The Gematsu leak ballooned RH support. I think RH has a solid chance.
Confidence: 10%

On 'If time allows' list:
I consider some of these more likely to be in game than the characters above. Basically, I think their chances of being in planned roster are high, but so are their chances of getting cut do to time.

Elma: I feel very confident she's on the planned roster, but I also am convinced she is the very first cut if they run short on time. I think Rex and Pyra have a high chance of being DLC regardless of Elma's inclusion and I think Sakurai could foresee this and instruct his team to make her last. Ironically, I consider her chances of being in higher than K Rool simply because I think she's a lock for roster plan, I just think she has a super high chance of being cut.
Chances of making it: 50%
Pokemon: Pokemon has so many reps that I just don't see them as being a first priority, especially when gaining 3 cut pokemon vets back. 4 from the perspective of people who didn't get any Smash 4 DLC.
Chance of making it: 30%
Dixie: TF gives her a huge boost, but I honestly think K Rool has a better chance due to popularity in the Smash community and this game giving the impression of Smash community targeted fan service. I still think she'll be on planned roster, but the second most likely to get cut for time.
Chance of making it: 30%
Saki: I have felt since his AT debuted that Sakurai wanted him in but couldn't justify it, which is why he is an AT. He's a very notable missing AT (unless someone spotted him and I missed it). I think Sakurai might finally put him in.
Chance of making it: 10%
Lip: Lip is bizarrely popular considering her circumstances. I'm sure Nintendo has noticed. She has the perfect opportunity to be the baffling inclusion in this game. She is so obscure I don't even think most Nintendo fans have heard of her, yet she is popular in the bubble that is Smash fans.
Chance of making it: 5%

Echoes:
Shadow, Dark Samus, Ninten: I feel like Shadow and Dark Samus are at least 75% chance of happening each. Ninten 50%. I don't see Mother coming back in a rebooted Smash and I think that's what we're getting next and I think Sakurai knows this and is sending Mother out with a bang.

Already Confirmed:
Ridley & Inkling: obviously they are both announced already, but I was fairly confident in both of them being in before they were officially announced (yes, I was confident in Ridley despite 'too big'. He was never known for being big but rather intimidating and scary in Metroid and I had confidence Sakurai would realize that).

And yeah, I expect no third parties at all and I don't think the Simon leak was real.

 

[Takasmash]

I could see Ubisoft adding that Assassin Creed dude.

 

[Pakky]

I could see Ubisoft adding that Assassin Creed dude.

I thought about him, he's be alright.

 

[Jubileus57]

My ears cant stand the truth its possible man this ain't fare.

Cheer up nothing is impossible (well, not literally but you get what I mean)
If anthing the best case "Rayman is in" scenario to me is DLC. So people who like him can buy him and enjoy him while I can enjoy the game without having to suffer seeing his ugly face

 

[Pakky]

There's also Square with Cloud you forgot...yea that means there would need to be a minimum of 3 new third party characters and many also suspect Ubisoft so 5 new third parties??? Yea I don't think every third party is gunna get 2 reps.

That's fair. I see where you're coming from.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Hmm, have we got any sort of reveals in this kind of event before?

Also, speaking of Ubisoft/Rayman, what are you guys' take on the Rabbids? Do you think they'll make an appearance in Smash? I just finished the Donkey Kong Adventure DLC in Mario + Rabbids and Rabbid Peach is like officially one of my favorite characters right now. I feel like an ordinary trophy in Smash is a given, but an Assist Trophy of a crazy gun wielding Rabbid would be great as well.
Or playable?

Imma need Rabbid Peach to be taking selfies, blinding everyone in the game

I could see Ubisoft adding that Assassin Creed dude.

I couldn’t (plus...which assassin)

Well it seems like all 3rd parties are getting at least two.
Though due to their popularity Rabbids are now they're own thing apart from Rayman.

So I don't see why they couldn't both be in Smash.

Namco still doesn't have a 2nd rep as neither does Konami.

However the Simon Belmont thing may not be complete nonsense for how random it was at a time of no info, but we'll see.

Namco I see getting another one, as Lloyd's costume was in the previous game.

Or...we add a Tekken character, Scorpion or Sub Zero, and only Sonic/Mega Man gets an extra rep (or 3...out of Nintendo bias)

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Y'know, I'm surprised Bandana Dee isn't the main character everyone is speculating about. A few months back, a datamine for Woolly World suggested Daisy and Waddle Dee were getting different variations of their amiibo. Flash forward to today and Daisy is in Smash.

With this in mind, I'd argue that Bandana Dee currently has a better chance than K. Rool. Sounds a little crazy when I put it that way, but he's one of the most popular characters requested for Smash.

Wasn't that whole thing proven to be a sham?

 

[Chandeelure]

Wasn't that datamine thing debunked in this thread?

And for some reason you forget it exists and then bring it up again like twice a week.

 

[Pakky]

Imma need Rabbid Peach to be taking selfies, blinding everyone in the game

I couldn’t (plus...which assassin)

Or...we add a Tekken character, Scorpion or Sub Zero, and only Sonic/Mega Man gets an extra rep (or 3...out of Nintendo bias)

Sub-Zero does sound appealing, not gonna lie.

heihachi did have a costume.

Haha, what if we got Mai from KOF? would she need to be censored?