Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

Don't forget Big. He has fishing! He was almost a fun character with poorly realized but interesting mechanics! I actually unironically would like them to give him another go.

wow enjoying a meme unironically!
I thought I was the only one

 

[Pakky]

AS a rule, society bonds with the sidekick over the villan or even the hero, this raises his chances over eggman, how would be extremely complicated anyway, think of his mech

I'm sorry but what?
Without a villain there are no trails for either protagonist to triumph against.
So, I'm not following you.

Now on how he would play is a good reference and there was that RPG where he built stuff while not in his mech.

 

[Blargg888]

They'll call the next year the Year of Luigi 2, and we'll get Dr.Luigi as DLC.

I have no idea why this cursed idea came to my head, but make it stop.

But how can you have a Year of Luigi 2 when the Year of Luigi never ends?

In all seriousness, I'd genuinely be down for having Dr. Luigi. Considering that I Main Luigi in every Smash game, it'd be nice for me to have. Even though it'll never happen.

 

[Takasmash]

Sakurai would ignore the outcry for Rayman

Well explain why theres a Rayman Trophy sir.

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

I'm sorry but what?
Without a villain there are no trails for either protagonist to triumph against.
So, I'm not following you.

Now on how he would play is a good reference and there was that RPG where he built stuff while not in his mech.

the amount of crap you got your self into with that last line...
RANT TIME!!!!
Tails and Eggman are two sides of the same coin, Eggman makes robots and mechs that change his own abilities to make him strong, Tails uses gadgets to add to his own strength. as a result, Eggman without his mechs is an affront to his character, and you'd have to take more than a little artistic licence in order to make him work. Tails is simpler, in general people like him more, etc. I would enjoy Eggman, he's just won't get in until tails get's in

But how can you have a Year of Luigi 2 when the Year of Luigi never ends?

In all seriousness, I'd genuinely be down for having Dr. Luigi. Considering that I Main Luigi in every Smash game, it'd be nice for me to have. Even though it'll never happen.

*continues to whistle inconspicuously*

 

[KMDP]

And sonic forces is worth remembering why?

"Never again". Also, never said that they should do Sonic Forces again, I said I answered that Google Docs questionnaire Sonic Team put out shortly after the release of Sonic Forces, in the open answer section, I told them I thought Classic Sonic felt tacked on and that they should bring back Sonic's friends as playable (the aforementioned 7).

We already have that

Event Match idea extrapolating on Enchess 's idea.
You have to fight &, along with a Giant &, you can only pick Jigglypuff, Marth, Roy or Lucina.

'nother Event Match: vs. GIANT .

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I feel like Sonic needs to scale back the speed in general, as much as that sounds like heresy. I've come to realize lately that I liked the great 2D games more for the branching pathways, tight level design, wonderful art and soundtrack, and slower more platforming intensive sections than the speed. I just thought I loved the speed most because it was the most obvious part of the game. Those aspects have largely been lost since the move to 3D and instead of working on the (imo) real reason Sonic was great they are doubling down on the (imo) mistaken reason Sonic was great.

My feelings on the other characters are similar. They forced more thoughtful design when they were playable because they didn't want to make them as fast as Sonic. I think that's why when I tried to go back to Sonic Adventure 2 again I found myself enjoying playing as everyone except Sonic and Shadow.



So you caught the real reason I want a spellsword event haha

Gonna say Generations is when they got down the 2D design in 3D with the boost style but then they tried Lost World after that for some reason. Generations is the main game I can provide that does show that the faster style can work with the Classic mentality because pretty much all the Modern styled stages have tons of routes just like the 2D ones

Some of the Adventure levels also do have branching paths the problem is not all of them do. Oddly enough despite all it's problems 06 actually has alternative routes through its stages too.

 

[Enchess]

wow enjoying a meme unironically!
I thought I was the only one

Mostly I just like the idea of Big. I don't like how he turned out, but he had so much potential. Sonic Adventure tries to tell one story from multiple perspectives, but Sonic, Tails, Amy, and Knuckles are all so connected that it doesn't live up to its potential. Gamma nails the idea best of offering a totally different perspective and gameplay, but Big could've been even better if he had just been done right. I love how unconcerned he is with the bigger plot. I love how creatively his fishing is used creatively as part of a boss fight.

I want Sonic Adventure 4 (I will not move on Sonic '06 = Sonic Adventure 3) to really go all in on the Big & Gamma approach rather than the (imo) blander dark side/light side approach of SA2. Tangential storytelling is super interesting.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Going back to the Rabbids.

Rabbid Peach is one of the funniest characters in a video game in years. She's easily the best zany WTF type character in a Nintendo game since Waluigi.

Disagree if you want, but you'd be wrong.

 

[MopedOfJustice]

But how can you have a Year of Luigi 2 when the Year of Luigi never ends?

In all seriousness, I'd genuinely be down for having Dr. Luigi. Considering that I Main Luigi in every Smash game, it'd be nice for me to have. Even though it'll never happen.

I like that idea, but what would Dr. Luigi do? The moveset changes he has don't seem to be compatible with Dr. Mario's (neutral b, fsmash, fair, etc.)
I'd change his dash attack, but that's mainly because I don't like his dash attack. Is there anything from his game that could be used for a concept without getting gimmicky?

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Do we have to have anything Rabbids related?

They're like the video game equivalent to Minions.

 

[KMDP]

Gonna say Generations is when they got down the 2D design in 3D with the boost style but then they tried Lost World after that for some reason. Generations is the main game I can provide that does show that the faster style can work with the Classic mentality because pretty much all the Modern styled stages have tons of routes just like the 2D ones

Some of the Adventure levels also do have branching paths the problem is not all of them do. Oddly enough despite all it's problems 06 actually has alternative routes through its stages too.

The issue I take with the Boost gameplay is an economic one.
Sonic Team puts all that effort into super-long, detailed levels for what? For a player to zoom through them in 3-5 minutes? It's incredibly wasteful.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

The issue I take with the Boost gameplay is an economic one.
Sonic Team puts all that effort into super-long, detailed levels for what? For a player to zoom through them in 3-5 minutes? It's incredibly wasteful.

I still think it's a really fun style, and you could say the same with how big Sonic 2s stages are when you zoom past the majority of them in under a minute.

 

[Enchess]

I like that idea, but what would Dr. Luigi do? The moveset changes he has don't seem to be compatible with Dr. Mario's (neutral b, fsmash, fair, etc.)
I'd change his dash attack, but that's mainly because I don't like his dash attack. Is there anything from his game that could be used for a concept without getting gimmicky?

He can be an echo. That way he doesn't need to bring anything to the table and his model is so simple to make using existing Dr. Mario and Luigi that you can argue it won't even take up an echo slot. Just make his Up-B go slightly higher, allow him to move farther in his Down-B, and make both slightly weaker to balance.

 

[KMDP]

I still think it's a really fun style, and you could say the same with how big Sonic 2s stages are when you zoom past the majority of them in under a minute.

Yeah, I did love Generations.
I suggest Sonic fans watch "Sonic Spitball" by the youtuber ShayMay to see what a 3D Sonic game could be. Just... set time aside. Those 3 videos are stupid long. XD

 

[Jubileus57]

Do we have to have anything Rabbids related?

They're like the video game equivalent to Minions.

Well not every 3rd party characters can boast about having a crossover with Mario. They are doomed to be relevant in the speculation scene.

 

[Deleted member]

Luigi was in 64, Bowser was not. important sidekick over villain, please

They were both supposed to be in the original game.
The only reason Luigi was able to be in the final release while Bowser had to be scrapped was because Luigi was an effortless addition.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

@Zinith Have you seen this? I tried imagining his old design in Smash after seeing it.

Time for a little controversy pic.twitter.com/hh645xajCA

— Hex (@TheBlackHex) June 23, 2018

I dunno why Yoshi has a habit of showing off his little tail recently. It makes him seem way more... provocative.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know why Knuckles isn't just playable. He can do anything.

We get to see Knuckles's appearance as an assist trophy in Smash Ultimate in this clip from RAGE 2018! pic.twitter.com/2x79v2iLZo

— Mlick (@Mlickles) June 28, 2018

No seriously, the more I see him the more I wish he was controllable. He's doing too much for an AT.

Except Gliding.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Well not every 3rd party characters can boast about having a crossover with Mario. They are doomed to be relevant in the speculation scene.

You're right, sorry I let my dislike of the Rabbids take hold.

 

[Pakky]

the amount of crap you got your self into with that last line...
RANT TIME!!!!
Tails and Eggman are two sides of the same coin, Eggman makes robots and mechs that change his own abilities to make him strong, Tails uses gadgets to add to his own strength. as a result, Eggman without his mechs is an affront to his character, and you'd have to take more than a little artistic licence in order to make him work. Tails is simpler, in general people like him more, etc. I would enjoy Eggman, he's just won't get in until tails get's in

*continues to whistle inconspicuously*

Tails' main trait are flying and spin dashing, gadgets are his thing but he has more to draw on.

Tails is simpler, in general people like him more, etc.

Subjective, that's not a fact man.

I would enjoy Eggman, he's just won't get in until tails get's in

Not, necessarily.

Eggman without his mechs is an affront to his character, and you'd have to take more than a little artistic licence in order to make him work.

There have been games where he's out of his mech.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Except Gliding.

Still remember arguing with someone on the Tv Tropes forum when Sakurai said Metaknight lost his gliding and mentioned the mechanic was gone in general.

The guy was like "Zard and Pit still have it you idiot they just took it off Metaknight because he was broken" and he never relented, and then he never spoke in that thread again at 4 launch.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I don't know why Knuckles isn't just playable. He can do anything.

We get to see Knuckles's appearance as an assist trophy in Smash Ultimate in this clip from RAGE 2018! pic.twitter.com/2x79v2iLZo

— Mlick (@Mlickles) June 28, 2018

No seriously, the more I see him the more I wish he was controllable. He's doing too much for an AT.

All I see is that Bewear. In awe of the size of that lad. Absolute unit.

should've been playable

 

[Enchess]

On the Sonic newcomer conversation, I really can't see Sonic getting another rep if it's not an Echo or Clone. Eggman would work as a clone for Bowser Jr. honestly. It's exactly how I imagine he would play if Bowser Jr. never existed. Tails could be a semi-clone of Sonic. But really, most likely were Knuckles and Shadow because they can both be full-on echoes of Sonic. Knuckles is already out, so Shadow seems like the only option.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

All I see is that Bewear. In awe of the size of that lad. Absolute unit.

should've been playable

Beware the Bewear.

 

[SlickWylde]

Which reminds me, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE EGGMAN!!!!
.

No, because Sakurai doesn't add fun large villains from anything except Zelda and Mario

 

[Jedisupersonic]

No, because Sakurai doesn't add fun large villains from anything except Zelda and Mario

Man where's Kraid when you need him.
Jk jk

Honestly in terms of big villains Medeus or The Black Knight from FE would be cool, but I kinda doubt people would be for either considering we already have 6 FE people.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

On the Sonic newcomer conversation

No. No more Sonic newcomer conversation please.

 

[Freduardo]

Oh really didn't know or see.

I meant as Playable fighters. I was taking the piss.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

No. No more Sonic newcomer conversation please.

I didn't start it this time either!

 

[Chandeelure]

I can't stop laughing.

The Kirby franchise needs more love.

 

[Freduardo]

Oh we’re doing sonic newcomer talk? Alright.

Knuckles is an AT. So he’s out.

Shadow and Metal Sonic work as Echo fighters. I’d prefer Metal.

Tails and Eggman are the front runners for unique characters. Tails would be a Luigified Sonic with flight and a ray gun... and ideally a final smash involving a plane.

Eggman would either need a mech or his little flying car (the thing he flies around in when the wrecking ball drops). The flying car would be hard to make work because it’s a flying car, but there’s plenty of moveset potential. You could add wheels, but then he’s just a Koopaling.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I didn't start it this time either!

Regardless of who started it, I'd like it to end.

At least for one day guys...

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Sub-Zero does sound appealing, not gonna lie.

heihachi did have a costume.

Haha, what if we got Mai from KOF? would she need to be censored?

Maybe she’d somehow get past the censors

 

[KMDP]

You'll never stop the Sonic newcomer and Shadow echo debates.

They are... inevitable...

Resistance is futile.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Resistance is futile.

Is it a coincidence you said that on page 1984?

 

[Pakky]

Is it a coincidence you said that on page 1984?

while talking about Eggman lol

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Maybe she’d somehow get past the censors

She was censored in some of the old console releases of Fatal Fury it wouldn't be too hard to do.

 

[KMDP]

Is it a coincidence you said that on page 1984?

Yes, unless Ingsoc has already gotten to me.

Maybe she’d somehow get past the censors

Mai and Ivy, sneakin' past the censors and fun police.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

You'll never stop the Sonic newcomer and Shadow echo debates.

They are... inevitable...

Resistance is futile.

And they’re also needed...cause there’s some good options and Sonic might aswell be a Nintendo series