Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Wambo]

I mean, okay, you saying this doesn’t do anything to disprove him. Masahiro Sakurai, the director of Super Smash Bros, has gone on record to say he wants Geno to be a playable character. Going so far as to make a Mii Costume for him in acknowledgment of the character, and the desire of fans who want him in as well.

What has Simon got? Other than Sakurai saying he likes Castlevania. I don’t see a costume or Assist Trophy for him, or any mention of him at all throughout the entirety of Super Smash Bros. history.

What’s your argument for Simon? I’m genuinely curious.

You can not like a character. That’s fine, but literally taking all the evidence for Geno’s POSSIBLE, BUT NOT GUARANTEED inclusion, and just being like “Meh. I don’t like it, so no.”, is just silly.

Simon could very well be playable in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. All I am saying is, there are other 3rd Party reps that could make it in instead.

Personally, I'd rather have Geno over Simon. Super Mario RPG is a point of Nintendo history that needs to be revisited, and until Konami starts making good games again, I'm happy with Snake in the game and Bomberman as an AT.

 

[Jetsurge]

Those were the only two DLC characters who weren't in the E3 build....

Really makes you think...

Cloud, Ryu and Bayo were there to get every 3rd party. Corrin was there because he basically is this games FE newcomer. Mewtwo was there with Pokemon Trainer to promote Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee.

 

[Androobie]

"You asshats wanted a combo character? Here you ******* go, ungrateful little *******.”

-Sakurai, probably

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Let's flip this topic around a bit.

How many DLC characters do y'all expect? Keep in mind that Sakurai has gone on record stating that DLC characters are less intensive on the dev team to make.

Around the same as last time. Maybe a little more. Maybe a little less. I’ll say 6-8.

 

[Idon]

Let's flip this topic around a bit.

How many DLC characters do y'all expect? Keep in mind that Sakurai has gone on record stating that DLC characters are less intensive on the dev team to make.

6, one per 2 months till the anniversary.
Then, we might get one more announced as a bonus.

 

[MainJPW]

Unless.... there's something deeper???

Like what? A new stage? Another character? Localized Mother 3?

EDIT: How'd that happen?

 

[Jetsurge]

Let's flip this topic around a bit.

How many DLC characters do y'all expect? Keep in mind that Sakurai has gone on record stating that DLC characters are less intensive on the dev team to make.

I think maybe 5 brand new characters in total not including clones. I think Rex, Springman and Crash will definitely all happen. I also think Octoling will be added as an echo fighter and Ribbon Girl will be added as a semi-clone.

 

[Will]

I like to believe that Simon's relevancy is only in part with Verg. And seeing that his credibility is getting weaker and always shifting by the minute (or at least as I've seen within the past week), my views on Simon are pessimistic. Geno I think has a shot, just depends on if Sakurai's ready to unleash his beast.

i want gradius

 

[osby]

"You asshats wanted a combo character? Here you ******* go, ungrateful little *******.”

-Sakurai, probably

To be honest, Bayonetta's game built on combos, unlike Smash.

 

[Will]

To be honest, Bayonetta's game built on combos, unlike Smash.

I beg your pardon?

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Let's flip this topic around a bit.

How many DLC characters do y'all expect? Keep in mind that Sakurai has gone on record stating that DLC characters are less intensive on the dev team to make.

7ish like Smash 4.

 

[Hinata]

I don't remember who said it or where I heard it from, but I remember hearing someone saying that when Sakurai made the decision to make Bayonetta's moveset based on her combos in her source material, he did it too well. Because Bayonetta comes from a hack-and-slash, obviously her combos are designed to oppress her opponents so they can't get a hit in on her. Which is basically what she does in Smash.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Let's flip this topic around a bit.
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How many DLC characters do y'all expect? Keep in mind that Sakurai has gone on record stating that DLC characters are less intensive on the dev team to make.

I'd say probably a smaller or equal number compared to Smash 4. At least three, and at most 6.

 

[Hinata]

7ish like Smash 4.

Don't you dare put that curse on us. It will forever bother me that Smash 4 could support 8 players, yet we only got 7 DLC characters.

 

[osby]

I beg your pardon?

Thanks for reminding me why I look to the other side when I saw Melee.

 

[Idon]

I don't remember who said it or where I heard it from, but I remember hearing someone saying that when Sakurai made the decision to make Bayonetta's moveset based on her combos in her source material, he did it too well. Because Bayonetta comes from a hack-and-slash, obviously her combos are designed to oppress her opponents so they can't get a hit in on her. Which is basically what she does in Smash.

Yeah, everyone said it.

I, myself said
"So this is what being the enemy mook in DMC feels like..."

 

[Will]

Thanks for reminding me why I look to the other side when I saw Melee.

You can never escape it, not even in new Smash games.

Spoiler

Hoo Hah.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Don't you dare put that curse on us. It will forever bother me that Smash 4 could support 8 players, yet we only got 7 DLC characters.

Hey you asked

 

[osby]

Don't you dare put that curse on us. It will forever bother me that Smash 4 could support 8 players, yet we only got 7 DLC characters.

At least we have two Corrins.

 

[DYED]

Let's flip this topic around a bit.

How many DLC characters do y'all expect? Keep in mind that Sakurai has gone on record stating that DLC characters are less intensive on the dev team to make.

Probably less than how many we got in Smash 4, since there's not veteran to bring back.
I think we'll get at least a couple of fighter ballot (I want to say two, maybe three), considering the success they got with the community.
So yeah, a couple of ballots and a couple of "OUT OF NOWHERE!" characters that the developer team decided with no fanbase input.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

They'll call the next year the Year of Luigi 2, and we'll get Dr.Luigi as DLC.

I have no idea why this cursed idea came to my head, but make it stop.

 

[Hinata]

They'll call the next year the Year of Luigi 2, and we'll get Dr.Luigi as DLC.

I have no idea why this cursed idea came to my head, but make it stop.

Give Luigi the Poltergust for his down-B and make the tornado his down air, but then give Dr. Luigi the old down-b and down air for those who prefer the old moveset~

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

What series do you think they will reveal a newcomer for next? I'm thinking a Pokémon newcomer is coming next (presuming there is a Pokémon newcomer).

 

[Zinith]

Don't remind me of the Year of Luigi. It only sets me up for disappointment when 2020 flies by without a Year of Yoshi...

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Also we were talking about costumes earlier, why not give Mario & Luigi this from the Super Show

What series do you think they will reveal a newcomer for next? I'm thinking a Pokémon newcomer is coming next (presuming there is a Pokémon newcomer).

Personally? I think it'll be a DK (provided there is one) or a potential 3rd party character from one of the 3rd party companies we have already.

 

[Hinata]

Also we were talking about costumes earlier, why not give Mario & Luigi this from the Super Show

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Ah, yes, back in the days when Luigi was bad at impressions and Mario had a violent stomach ulcer.

 

[osby]

What series do you think they will reveal a newcomer for next? I'm thinking a Pokémon newcomer is coming next (presuming there is a Pokémon newcomer).

Kirby.

 

[Will]

Don't remind me of the Year of Luigi. It only sets me up for disappointment when 2020 flies by without a Year of Yoshi...

Yoshi's been disrespected ever since Yoshi's New Island existed

 

[Deleted member]

It's funny that we're discussing the year of Luigi now, because I remember joking earlier this year that this year is going to be the year of Waluigi.
I may have jinxed it.

 

[Will]

It's funny that we're discussing the year of Luigi now, because I remember joking earlier this year that this year is going to be the year of Waluigi.
I may have jinxed it.

Then may every year be the year of Decidueye.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I already acknowledged this. Remeber when I said "Krystal was acknowledged by Sakurai and yet she's an Assist Trophy?"

What is this? Like why are you presenting this to me, like I didn't know about it? I already said that I did.

How was Krystal acknowledged again? Back in 2008 when Sakurai said pretty much compared her to a generic Waddle Dee by saying "I won't answer that because then people will ask why a Waddle Dee isn't playable" or something like that. Hardly the same as "I tried to make this character playable twice"

 

[Deleted member]

Then may every year be the year of Decidueye.

Hey if I jinxed Waluigi, it was on pure accident.
I actually wanted this to be the year of Waluigi.

 

[Dracyoshi]

That just doesn't seem right for Mario. Mario's moves need to be obvious and effective in a variety of situations.

I disagree on FLUDD being unsatisfying. Properly using it is incredibly satisfying. I'd hate to see it go, and I don't at all think that all of his moves need to be so obvious to use; an ability like FLUDD gives his kit some sweet flavor for good Mario and he's still incredibly accessible.

 

[Zinith]

Okay I just thought of a bat**** insane idea for newcomer speculation!!!

You know how there is this focus on the roster timelines and the series' beginnings (Smash 64)? Well, much like how Smash began with 12 characters, we will get exactly 12 newcomers for Ultimate, that much has been speculated before. But here's the thing, in reverence to the 10 series represented in the first game they'll add one newcomer for each and have 2 new IPs represented (much like how Luigi and Jigglypuff were the odd ones out being 2nd reps). We already have Mario and Metroid get new reps (it doesn't matter if it's an Echo Fighter) and Splatoon became one of those 2 new IPs. So it's something like:

Mario - Daisy
Donkey Kong - ???
The Legend of Zelda - ???
Metroid - Ridley
Yoshi - ???
Kirby - ???
Star Fox - ???
Pokemon - ???
Mother - ???
F-Zero - ???
New IP 1 - Inkling
New IP 2 - ???

I'm just spitballing and it's not a surefire theory by any means. I just find it neat and to be honest is the only way I could see Yoshi and Captain Falcon getting company...

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

It would be Smart of Nintendo to reveal a 3rd party character either during CEO or EVO (Early August and THEEE Fighting Game Tournament of the World) if they really are trying to make Smash a Esport thing.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Hey on the plus side that means we get a cool Ramblin' Evil Mushroom assist, which is fun! Having three Mother assists is great

Unless.... there's something deeper???

Real talk, I'd rather not have a Ramblin' Evil Mushroom assist, I'd much rather have Duster as an assist, especially considering he wasn't in Lucas' final smash.

If the former is what we get, then I won't complain. I'm always down for more Mother content in Ultimate.

 

[Will]

Okay I just thought of a bat**** insane idea for newcomer speculation!!!

You know how there is this focus on the roster timelines and the series' beginnings (Smash 64)? Well, much like how Smash began with 12 characters, we will get exactly 12 newcomers for Ultimate, that much has been speculated before. But here's the thing, in reverence to the 10 series represented in the first game they'll add one newcomer for each and have 2 new IPs represented (much like how Luigi and Jigglypuff were the odd ones out being 2nd reps). We already have Mario and Metroid get new reps (it doesn't matter if it's an Echo Fighter) and Splatoon became one of those 2 new IPs. So it's something like:

Mario - Daisy
Donkey Kong - ???
The Legend of Zelda - ???
Metroid - Ridley
Yoshi - ???
Kirby - ???
Star Fox - ???
Pokemon - ???
Mother - ???
F-Zero - ???
New IP 1 - Inkling
New IP 2 - ???

I'm just spitballing and it's not a surefire theory by any means. I just find it neat and to be honest is the only way I could see Yoshi and Captain Falcon getting company...

well we just gotta get rid of the already there stuff and do the rest

DK is K. Rool
Zelda is Tingle
Yoshi is Poochy (I still like the idea)
Kirby is Bandana Dee
Star Fox is Andross (The monkey one)
Pokemon is literally any one of them
Mother is Ninten
F-Zero is Black Shadow
New IP is Mach Rider

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Okay I just thought of a bat**** insane idea for newcomer speculation!!!

You know how there is this focus on the roster timelines and the series' beginnings (Smash 64)? Well, much like how Smash began with 12 characters, we will get exactly 12 newcomers for Ultimate, that much has been speculated before. But here's the thing, in reverence to the 10 series represented in the first game they'll add one newcomer for each and have 2 new IPs represented (much like how Luigi and Jigglypuff were the odd ones out being 2nd reps). We already have Mario and Metroid get new reps (it doesn't matter if it's an Echo Fighter) and Splatoon became one of those 2 new IPs. So it's something like:

Mario - Daisy
Donkey Kong - ???
The Legend of Zelda - ???
Metroid - Ridley
Yoshi - ???
Kirby - ???
Star Fox - ???
Pokemon - ???
Mother - ???
F-Zero - ???
New IP 1 - Inkling
New IP 2 - ???

I'm just spitballing and it's not a surefire theory by any means. I just find it neat and to be honest is the only way I could see Yoshi and Captain Falcon getting company...

My opinion:

DK - K.Rool
Legend of Zelda - Impa
Yoshi - Kamek
Kirby - Marx
Star Fox - Slippy Toad/Katt Monroe
Pokemon - Decidueye
Mother - Masked Man
F-Zero - Jody Summers/Black Shadow
New IP 2 - Simon Belmont

 

[BlondeLombax]

I beg your pardon?

Bar none the best thing to come from the competitive Melee community. May it be remembered for generations to come.

Let's flip this topic around a bit.

How many DLC characters do y'all expect? Keep in mind that Sakurai has gone on record stating that DLC characters are less intensive on the dev team to make.

With the fact that they've mostly revealed the entire base roster, I think we'll be getting slightly more with Ultimate, around 10 within the year at most. I just hope they take breaks between the development of them, they're really looking like they need it.

Okay I just thought of a bat**** insane idea for newcomer speculation!!!

You know how there is this focus on the roster timelines and the series' beginnings (Smash 64)? Well, much like how Smash began with 12 characters, we will get exactly 12 newcomers for Ultimate, that much has been speculated before. But here's the thing, in reverence to the 10 series represented in the first game they'll add one newcomer for each and have 2 new IPs represented (much like how Luigi and Jigglypuff were the odd ones out being 2nd reps). We already have Mario and Metroid get new reps (it doesn't matter if it's an Echo Fighter) and Splatoon became one of those 2 new IPs. So it's something like:

Mario - Daisy
Donkey Kong - ???
The Legend of Zelda - ???
Metroid - Ridley
Yoshi - ???
Kirby - ???
Star Fox - ???
Pokemon - ???
Mother - ???
F-Zero - ???
New IP 1 - Inkling
New IP 2 - ???

I'm just spitballing and it's not a surefire theory by any means. I just find it neat and to be honest is the only way I could see Yoshi and Captain Falcon getting company...

Let me give it a whack...
Donkey Kong: K. Rool
Zelda: Toon Zelda and/or Tetra
Yoshi: Baby Mario (Bros.) or Baby Bowser
Kirby: Waddle Dee (Bandana, Sailor, pretty much any significant one wearing a hat can be an alt)
Star Fox: Slippy or Andross
Pokemon: Gen VII Rep
Mother: Ninten or Porky
F-Zero: Black Shadow or Blood Falcon
New IP 2: The obligatory retro rep (Excitebike, Lip, et cetera)

Can't wait to look back at this post and see how wrong I was.

 

[Zinith]

I guess I'll do one myself

Donkey Kong - King K. Rool
The Legend of Zelda - Impa
Yoshi - Boshi (don't worry, I have my reasons)
Kirby - Bandanna Waddle Dee
Star Fox - Slippy
Pokemon - Decidueye
Mother - Masked Man
F-Zero - Black Shadow
New IP 2 - Crash Bandicoot