Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Hinata]

I'd be willing to bet money on Ashley. For one, she was a big yes from the spirits, and for another thing she's massively popular in Japan, similar to Little Mac and Ridley here in America.

I love your support for and confidence in Ashley, but I still have no idea what the heck you mean by "the spirits".

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Alright, here's a new game: Name 3 songs that you want to have in SSBU, regardless of how likely or unlikely they are to get in. 3 songs that you want to Smash to so badly, you'd let Link near your prized pottery collection for at least 30 seconds, just to ensure that they get into the game. They all must be from different franchises. Songs from all franchises owned by Nintendo and their 2nd parties, Sega, Konami, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Square Enix are all fair game, but no music from games not developed/published by any of these companies.

My List:

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1. Wave Ocean ~ The Inlet (Sonic the Hedgehog (2006))

I hate just about everything in this game... except for the music. The vast majority (looking at you and your Midis, Chronicles) of Sonic games have amazing soundtracks, and 2006 is no exception. This is hands down my favorite track from 2006, it is the very definition of speed to me, and I'd love to fight with it playing in the background.

2. That Person's Name Is (Bravely Default)

I'd love to get music from other SE series aside from FF, and this is my number one choice. I loved BD as well as its music, and this track is a perfect fit for Smash, imho.

3. Battle! Aqua/Magma Leader (Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire)

Easily my favorite track from any and all Pokémon games, hands down. Being a Hoenn fanboy, I really want to see music from ORAS in SSBU, and this one is a must.

Easiest list I've ever made. These songs are all incredible, give em a listen if you've never played Persona 5. And if you have, listen to them anyways bc they'll make you happy. I promise.

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[Swamp Sensei]

Vote: Yay or Nay

Would you have preferred if Alph was a brand new echo fighter?

 

[Hinata]

Easiest list I've ever made. These songs are all incredible, give em a listen if you've never played Persona 5. And if you have, listen to them anyways bc they'll make you happy. I promise.

The second I get to officially hear this song in Smash Bros (as opposed to modding it in, which I have done several times) is the second I die happy.

 

[Radical Bones]

This question has been asked before, I'm sure, but I just wanna know the thoughts of everyone here presently.

Gun to your head, which newcomers would you be willing to bet money on their being in Ultimate? Not necessarily who you want, but who you think is the most likely to actually make it out of all the popular options.

I'm surprised no one has said Isabelle yet, so I will. She is so bloody popular and everywhere these days. Even as an Echo of Villager.

 

[Noipoi]

Hippie Battle (Mother/Earthbound Begginings)
The Ultimate Show (Super Paper Mario)
Battle to the Death (Final Fantasy VI)

Three iconic battle themes from RPGs.

Did you just acknowledge Super Paper Mario? Without calling it trash?
Is this real?

 

[Radical Bones]

Vote: Yay or Nay

Would you have preferred if Alph was a brand new echo fighter?

I would. It's weird to me that he still didn't get split from Olimar. I don't really understand the logic. He has everything he needs aside from unique taunts and victory screens.

 

[Idon]

I love your support for and confidence in Ashley, but I still have no idea what the heck you mean by "the spirits".

I believe he's talking about the spirits associated with fortune telling and the such.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Vote: Yay or Nay

Would you have preferred if Alph was a brand new echo fighter?

Nay. His main tool is Pikmin. You could give him rock Pikmin or something to make him different, but I think the reality of Alph's situtaion is that no matter who the leader is, the Pikmin's properties really remain the same. And I'm not sure at all how Rock Pikmin would operate differently than purples. Heavy, hit hard without grabbing... Not really worth the work if you ask me. He's a good skin and the other characters would be decent skins too if they matched Olimars bones better.

 

[Honest Slug]

Vote: Yay or Nay

Would you have preferred if Alph was a brand new echo fighter?

From my perspective they might as well have gone the extra mile, especially considering that he's a different person than Olimar.

 

[PeridotGX]

This question has been asked before, I'm sure, but I just wanna know the thoughts of everyone here presently.

Gun to your head, which newcomers would you be willing to bet money on their being in Ultimate? Not necessarily who you want, but who you think is the most likely to actually make it out of all the popular options.

Bandana Dee. Popular, Relevant, Unique, he has it all!

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Unless Sakurai pulls the whole "I don't want to over rep my own series" again

Plus the fact that he doesn't add too many things from Kirby games he didn't help with/make. They're acknowledged sure, but I don't see it happening personally.

I'd like to be wrong but my gut is saying no.

While that's possible Kirby is one of Nintendo's biggest franchises at this point, and it's kind of hard to ignore after the immense success of Triple Deluxe, Planet Robobot and Star Allies tbh. Plus Bandana Dee is pretty popular and would be plenty unique.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

The second I get to officially hear this song in Smash Bros (as opposed to modding it in, which I have done several times) is the second I die happy.

I didn't even get Rivers in the Desert on that list bc I already had that energetic soulful song with Last Surprise. I wanted to hit three vastly different tracks for the list. Persona 5 has suuuuch an incredible soundtrack. There's too many to choose from lol.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

This question has been asked before, I'm sure, but I just wanna know the thoughts of everyone here presently.

Gun to your head, which newcomers would you be willing to bet money on their being in Ultimate? Not necessarily who you want, but who you think is the most likely to actually make it out of all the popular options.

Dixie Kong. DK cannot possibly go another Smash without another character, right?

Right?

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I'm surprised no one has said Isabelle yet, so I will. She is so bloody popular and everywhere these days. Even as an Echo of Villager.

Ahhh! You beat me to it. Isabelle is my #1 Newcomer want/prediction/expected. I hope she makes it onto the roster. Unique or semi-clone preferably, but I could live with her being an Echo.

Her Final Smash stumps me however.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I think the fact that Alph isn't an echo fighter shows that Sakurai is not going to add an excessive amount of them.

 

[Hinata]

I didn't even get Rivers in the Desert on that list bc I already had that energetic soulful song with Last Surprise. I wanted to hit three vastly different tracks for the list. Persona 5 has suuuuch an incredible soundtrack. There's too many to choose from lol.

A RIVER IN A DRYYYYYY LAAAAAAAAAAND
THE LAST ACE IN A LOOOOOOOOOOST HAAAAAAAAND
WHEN THE HOPE OF NEW BEGINNINGS BURNED OUR FEET
NOW WE NEED IT

That song is my absolutely favorite from Persona 5, and that's saying something because I have a LOT of other favorites.

 

[Knight Dude]

Vote: Yay or Nay

Would you have preferred if Alph was a brand new echo fighter?

Nay. He doesn't exude much in the way of personality. At least Louie is a weirdo.

And, as it was mentioned by some others, can't really change the Pikmin themselves too much. So outside of using Rock Pikmin instead of Purples, ain't much to work with, then again, I'm not working on the game so I could be dead wrong too.

 

[Hinata]

Dixie Kong. DK cannot possibly go another Smash without another character, right?

Right?

Hey, man. Metroid finally got a newcomer after waiting for once since Brawl.

You know what other series has been waiting for a newcomer since Brawl?

I rest my case.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I'm surprised no one has said Isabelle yet, so I will. She is so bloody popular and everywhere these days. Even as an Echo of Villager.

She's pretty likely imo, but I think her nature as a non-combatant and the general lack of moveset potential there could hurt her. I'd love to have her in and I think Sakurai could make it work but I'd be a little hesitant to put money on her

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'm gonna laugh when everyone who throws Isabelle into the echo/clone chamber get shocked by her being an original newcomer instead.

 

[Will]

Vote: Yay or Nay

Would you have preferred if Alph was a brand new echo fighter?

I really feel like Alph was cheated out, Dr. Mario and Lucina escaped the alternate costume hell but left Alph back there. This was the perfect time to do something new with him, maybe replace the Purple Pikmin with Rock Pikmin (but have them share the same mechanics). I'm still bamboozled and I never even touched a Pikmin game.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Hey, man. Metroid finally got a newcomer after waiting for once since Brawl.

You know what other series has been waiting for a newcomer since Brawl?

I rest my case.

Kirby and Zelda too just saying

 

[Hinata]

Kirby and Zelda too just saying

Good point. Bandana Dee and [insert Zelda newcomer of your choice here] confirmed.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Late replies from me - Timezones.

Thanks for everyone who replied to my post about about 12 newcomers.

Here’s a challenge for you all,
Since the OG12 seems to hold such an importance this time around. Let’s do a 12 Newcomers list. They can be predicted, wanted, or both. Rules are 8 original/unique characters (2 of which have already been revealed in Inkling and Ridley, so you only need 6 more.) 2 semi-clones, and 2 Echoes (1 of which is Daisy, so you really only need 1 more.)

And....GO!

This might be a late reply, but here's my responses (Most of them come from my most wanted list)
(Confirmed) Inkling
(Confirmed) Ridley
1: Isaac
2: Ashley
3: King K. Rool
4: Simon Belmont
5: Bandanna Waddle Dee
6: Tails

Semi-Clone:
Dixie Kong - Shares some basic movements with Diddy, but uses her hair and bubblegum as her main weapons. The banana peel may behave differently, like maybe have her throw it in front of her, or eat it to recover health. Her take on the Monkey Flip could be a different move, entirely, like calling in Rambi or Espresso for a quick rushing attack.
Octoling/Agent 8 - Focused on defence as opposed to the Inklings who look very rushdown-heavy and uses a Heavy Splatling, Octobrush and Curling Bomb. Much heavier, but you could easily understand Octolng's nuance if you can understand Inkling.

Echo Fighter:
Daisy
Dark Samus - Uses Phazon attacks that poison foes over time instead of the flames that Samus' arm cannon utilises.

Alright then! We’ll do both!

Stages:
1. Bowser Kingdom (Super Mario Odyssey)
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2. Ultra Space (Pokémon UltraSun & UltraMoon)
View attachment 150167Changing Stage that travels to different Ultra Beast homeworlds. Whilst traveling the stage is set up like this “-__-“.
3. Mantine Surf (Pokémon UltraSun and UltraMoon)
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Hear me out! The players fight atop several surfing Mantines. They are always lowering and raising themselves. There are also obstacles, such as Wailord, Tentacool, and Pyukumuku. Of course there are the big aerial jumps too.
4. Nintendo Badge Arcade
5. Tetris
6. Luiginary Works (Mario & Luigi: Dream Team)
7. Pushmo
8. The Divine Beasts (Appear throughout various Divine Beast)
9. Nintendo Land; fight on a train that stops at different attractions
10. The Desk from Smash 64’s opening.View attachment 150179
I’ll do the Pokémon in another post. I have to cook dinner and charge my phone.

I'm following on with the 10 Stages idea too, but I have to say, the desktop from Super Smash Bros 64? Absolutely brilliant and amazing idea.

Okay - Stages now:
1: Octo Valley (Splatoon 1 and 2) A mishmash of weird platforms floating in space. Sometimes DJ Octavio appears in his OctoWeapon from Splatoon 1 as a Stage Hazard.
2: Bowser's Castle - Harkens to it's Mario Odyssey incarnation with the Japanese architecture, but plenty of fireball hazards to be aware of.
3: Ultra Space - A strange cave filled with Ultra Beasts that act as stage hazards. Nihilego can possess a character and mess up the controls, Buzzwole can punch you across the screen, etc
4: Nintendo Land - A touring stage that has elements from all the mini-games featured in Nintendo Land, like a Robo-Ridley, cardboard ninjas and the Hanya Mask Demon, Bulborbs, etc.
5: Dracula's Castle (For the Castlevania series) Large map akin to The Great Cave Offensive with lots of rooms, like the spinning room from Castlevania IV, the gardens, Medusa Heads as hazards, and Dracula at the top of the map.
6: Chemical Plant Zone - Sonic the Hedgehog 2
7: Duma Tower - Shadows of Valentia - A stage on the balcony of Duma Tower filled with monsters like revenants, Mogalls, Gargoyles, etc. (Plus we get Twilight of the Gods and other SoV songs)
8: Phendrana Drifts
9: Flying Kroc from Donkey Kong Country 2
10: U.S Air Force Base (Guile's Stage) from Street Fighter II - A grounded stage where you can break the crates to expand the stage's field.

Honourable mentions to your gorgeous Tabletop idea and ARMS' Sky Arena (Max Brass' stage)

As for Pokémon:
10: Braixen - Uses Psyshock and Flamethrower
9: Sandslash - Uses Dig - hides into the ground, then uppercuts an approaching character
8: Mimikyu - Uses Play Rough to beat up enemies
7: Type: Null - Uses Tri Attack
6: Golisopod - Uses First Impression to quickly attack opponents, but if it takes more than 2 hits, it will start to run away.
5: Tapu Koko - Uses Electric Surge to electrify the player who called upon it. Colliding with the charged player damages opponents
4: Necrozma - Uses Prismatic Laser
3: Gallade - Uses Psycho Cut to slice through the air with projectiles kinda like Goku Black's Projectile attack from FighterZ. SUBARASHII
2: Magearna - Uses Fleur Cannon
1: Make Guzma an Assist Trophy so he can beat you up with Team Skull grunts or a golf club.

Vote: Yay or Nay

Would you have preferred if Alph was a brand new echo fighter?

I guess if they did something interesting with Rock Pikmin, I'd be down for Alph being promoted, but I think Olimar is fine on his own.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I'm gonna laugh when everyone who throws Isabelle into the echo/clone chamber get shocked by her being an original newcomer instead.

Isabelle as an echo has literally never occurred to me, the image of her swinging an axe just seems so wrong to me lmao

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

A RIVER IN A DRYYYYYY LAAAAAAAAAAND
THE LAST ACE IN A LOOOOOOOOOOST HAAAAAAAAND
WHEN THE HOPE OF NEW BEGINNINGS BURNED OUR FEET
NOW WE NEED IT

That song is my absolutely favorite from Persona 5, and that's saying something because I have a LOT of other favorites.

My personal feelings about it are that Persona 5 has the best soundtrack of all time. It's incredible how much the music adds to the game's flair and style. Very rarely does music get orchestrated for a game that matches the theme so well, especially when they went for such a unique and distinct sound. I could slap together a 20 song list for Smash and honestly I still might be missing some good ones.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

So which Breath of the Wild Champion would you pick to be in Smash Ultimate ( Only choose 1.)

Urbosa -

Mipha -

Daruk -

Revali -

(credit to Captain America for these stock icons :D :D :D )
My pick would be

Urbosa.

 

[DarkFalcon]

So which Breath of the Wild Champion would you pick to be in Smash Ultimate ( Only choose 1.)

Urbosa -

Mipha -

Daruk -

Revali -

(credit to Captain America for these stock icons :D :D :D )
My pick would be Urbosa.

Mipha because she looks the coolest. Don't think any of em are making it in though.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

She's pretty likely imo, but I think her nature as a non-combatant and the general lack of moveset potential there could hurt her. I'd love to have her in and I think Sakurai could make it work but I'd be a little hesitant to put money on her

She's been one of the most incredibly likely newcomers and everyone keeps sleeping on her because of this ''She's a non combatant" and ''No moveset potential." and yet one is subjective and the other doesn't even matter.

There's no denying that she, not Villager, is the face of Animal Crossing now. She represents it everywhere. She is the owner of it's Twitter account.

When they wanted to get the point across for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe that Animal Crossing, Splatoon, and Zelda content were playable racers? Guess who was there with Link and Inkling Girl?

Isabelle is a Nintendo all-star who is the new face and star of her franchise in just one main line game, 3 spin-offs, and a guest appearance later.

Ignoring her would be one of the weirdest things Sakurai did, because it'd be like ignoring Pikachu for Pokemon.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

So which Breath of the Wild Champion would you pick to be in Smash Ultimate ( Only choose 1.)

Urbosa -

Mipha -

Daruk -

Revali -

(credit to Captain America for these stock icons :D :D :D )
My pick would be

Urbosa.

Mipha free. I need the fishy waifu. Also she just has a really cool design with Zora water-themed abilities, being masterful with polearms, and just being a beautifully designed character aesthetically. I wasn't a big fan of BotW because I don't really vibe with open world games, but the Zora designs for this game were just generally beautiful if you ask me. Gimmie Meeph.

 

[Will]

So which Breath of the Wild Champion would you pick to be in Smash Ultimate ( Only choose 1.)

Urbosa -

Mipha -

Daruk -

Revali -

(credit to Captain America for these stock icons :D :D :D )
My pick would be

Urbosa.

I'll be honest, I'd rather take Darunia instead of Daruk. More appearances, a refined moveset from Hyrule Warriors, and can do the Villager's side taunt but its at least ten times better.

Look at him go.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

So which Breath of the Wild Champion would you pick to be in Smash Ultimate ( Only choose 1.)

Urbosa -

Mipha -

Daruk -

Revali -

(credit to Captain America for these stock icons :D :D :D )
My pick would be

Urbosa.

Mipha, she'd make the most interesting character of the four for sure.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Vote: Yay or Nay

Would you have preferred if Alph was a brand new echo fighter?

Yay. I feel like giving him rock pikmin alone could’ve made him more unique than most Echo Fighters. Shame he isn’t one, really.

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

I was wondering something, what if we have all 4 Champions, and make them a la Pokemon Trainer where we can switch whatever Champion it is. Sounds interesting.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I'm gonna laugh when everyone who throws Isabelle into the echo/clone chamber get shocked by her being an original newcomer instead.

She can easily be an Echo of Villager. Doesn't mean she can't be unique, but the possibility is there.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I was wondering something, what if we have all 4 Champions, and make them a la Pokemon Trainer where we can switch whatever Champion it is. Sounds interesting.

Interesting but a waste of development time tbh, it's not really worth it imo. Plus there's not any reason they would be able to transform, they're different people and they're not in pokeballs. In that case you might as well just give them four separate slots

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I don't like the idea of Alph getting Rock Pikmin to differentiate from Olimar. I would rather Olimar get Rock Pikmin added on top of all the Pikmin he already has.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I was wondering something, what if we have all 4 Champions, and make them a la Pokemon Trainer where we can switch whatever Champion it is. Sounds interesting.

Could be interesting, but Sakurai said we shouldn't expect many newcomers so I doubt he's spending 4 characters worth of resources on the 4 champions with the ability to swap. Besides, switching to match the situation is the Pokemon Trainer gimmick since that's the gimmick in the actual Pokemon games.

 

[Hinata]

Can you imagine how awful Olimar's recovery would be if he had 3 Rock Pikmin with him?