Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Jedisupersonic]

Strongly agree, dark samus is meant to be flying around, shooting scatters of phazon, creating phazon barriers, creating phazon tentacle things, turning invisible, duplicating herself. Her fighting anything like Samus is never shown in canon at any point.

However if we got SA-X... That would make more sense, however Dark Samus is much more popular, strange spot to be in.

 

[DarkFalcon]

However if we got SA-X... That would make more sense, however Dark Samus is much more popular, strange spot to be in.

SA-X is literally Samus at full power. Visually there's no difference outside of the creepy face on the inside. It'd be kinda weird to put in the SA-X unless they give it the Super Metroid suit design. Even then, it's way too visually similar. Dark Samus is too but there's enough differences to differentiate the two.

 

[TonyMyOnly]

However if we got SA-X... That would make more sense, however Dark Samus is much more popular, strange spot to be in.

How would you differentiate SA-X from samus though?

 

[Jedisupersonic]

How would you differentiate SA-X from samus though?

That's the other problem, you'd have to make it look like some paracite Super Metroid Samus suit or something.

But that'd be pulling something out of thin air.

 

[Peridorito]

Alright, here's a new game: Name 3 songs that you want to have in SSBU, regardless of how likely or unlikely they are to get in. 3 songs that you want to Smash to so badly, you'd let Link near your prized pottery collection for at least 30 seconds, just to ensure that they get into the game. They all must be from different franchises. Songs from all franchises owned by Nintendo and their 2nd parties, Sega, Konami, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Square Enix are all fair game, but no music from games not developed/published by any of these companies.

Hippie Battle (Mother/Earthbound Begginings)
The Ultimate Show (Super Paper Mario)
Battle to the Death (Final Fantasy VI)

Three iconic battle themes from RPGs.

 

[PeridotGX]

Alright, here's a new game: Name 3 songs that you want to have in SSBU, regardless of how likely or unlikely they are to get in. 3 songs that you want to Smash to so badly, you'd let Link near your prized pottery collection for at least 30 seconds, just to ensure that they get into the game. They all must be from different franchises. Songs from all franchises owned by Nintendo and their 2nd parties, Sega, Konami, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Square Enix are all fair game, but no music from games not developed/published by any of these companies.

My List:

Spoiler

1. Wave Ocean ~ The Inlet (Sonic the Hedgehog (2006))

I hate just about everything in this game... except for the music. The vast majority (looking at you and your Midis, Chronicles) of Sonic games have amazing soundtracks, and 2006 is no exception. This is hands down my favorite track from 2006, it is the very definition of speed to me, and I'd love to fight with it playing in the background.

2. That Person's Name Is (Bravely Default)

I'd love to get music from other SE series aside from FF, and this is my number one choice. I loved BD as well as its music, and this track is a perfect fit for Smash, imho.

3. Battle! Aqua/Magma Leader (Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire)

Easily my favorite track from any and all Pokémon games, hands down. Being a Hoenn fanboy, I really want to see music from ORAS in SSBU, and this one is a must.

I loved HGSS. I put the B2W2 version because it's the most recent version.

Dark Matter is my least wanted character, but it's music is great.

I used to dislike this song. Then I played Awakening, heard it in context, and got a lot more respect for it. I know it was in 4, but I'd like to see a remix.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Alright, here's a new game: Name 3 songs that you want to have in SSBU, regardless of how likely or unlikely they are to get in. 3 songs that you want to Smash to so badly, you'd let Link near your prized pottery collection for at least 30 seconds, just to ensure that they get into the game. They all must be from different franchises. Songs from all franchises owned by Nintendo and their 2nd parties, Sega, Konami, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Square Enix are all fair game, but no music from games not developed/published by any of these companies.

My List:

Spoiler

1. Wave Ocean ~ The Inlet (Sonic the Hedgehog (2006))

I hate just about everything in this game... except for the music. The vast majority (looking at you and your Midis, Chronicles) of Sonic games have amazing soundtracks, and 2006 is no exception. This is hands down my favorite track from 2006, it is the very definition of speed to me, and I'd love to fight with it playing in the background.

2. That Person's Name Is (Bravely Default)

I'd love to get music from other SE series aside from FF, and this is my number one choice. I loved BD as well as its music, and this track is a perfect fit for Smash, imho.

3. Battle! Aqua/Magma Leader (Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire)

Easily my favorite track from any and all Pokémon games, hands down. Being a Hoenn fanboy, I really want to see music from ORAS in SSBU, and this one is a must.

Big Arms - Sonic Generations remix
Bowser's Rage - Paper Mario 64 (Although I am beyond hyped that the Mario 3 Bowser theme seems to have a remix ala Bowsers Trailer)
Rival Battle - Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire

 

[Peridorito]

I used to dislike this song. Then I played Awakening, heard it in context, and got a lot more respect for it. I know it was in 4, but I'd like to see a remix.

A remix of this song has actually been confirmed, you can hear a bit of it in Robin's trailer in the official site.

 

[L9999]

Why bother with Dark Samus and whats-his-name? are all we need for Metroid.

 

[Icedragonadam]

The character order for the Smash Blog is weird.

You got the first three: 65:Ridley, 64:Inklings and 13e:Daisy. Then, you got 01:Mario and 03:Link which makes sense, then you get 15:Ice Climbers, 62:Corrin and 31:Snake.

The only pattern I'm seeing is introducing a veteran from each series first. Which gets the Single series out of the way with the remaining vets being from franchises with more than one rep.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Why bother with Dark Samus and whats-his-name? are all we need for Metroid.

Because it's natural to desire more. Simple as that, plus people want them.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Why bother with Dark Samus and whats-his-name? are all we need for Metroid.

Because Dark Samus is cool and unique and is pretty much the only other viable option for Metroid at this point. Everyone else is too obscure, and while Sylux is gonna be relevant really soon, he's not yet, and even then his moveset isn't anywhere near as fleshed out as Dark Samus's already is.

 

[CJ Falcon]

Alright, here's a new game: Name 3 songs that you want to have in SSBU, regardless of how likely or unlikely they are to get in. 3 songs that you want to Smash to so badly, you'd let Link near your prized pottery collection for at least 30 seconds, just to ensure that they get into the game. They all must be from different franchises. Songs from all franchises owned by Nintendo and their 2nd parties, Sega, Konami, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Square Enix are all fair game, but no music from games not developed/published by any of these companies.

My List:

Spoiler

1. Wave Ocean ~ The Inlet (Sonic the Hedgehog (2006))

I hate just about everything in this game... except for the music. The vast majority (looking at you and your Midis, Chronicles) of Sonic games have amazing soundtracks, and 2006 is no exception. This is hands down my favorite track from 2006, it is the very definition of speed to me, and I'd love to fight with it playing in the background.

2. That Person's Name Is (Bravely Default)

I'd love to get music from other SE series aside from FF, and this is my number one choice. I loved BD as well as its music, and this track is a perfect fit for Smash, imho.

3. Battle! Aqua/Magma Leader (Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire)

Easily my favorite track from any and all Pokémon games, hands down. Being a Hoenn fanboy, I really want to see music from ORAS in SSBU, and this one is a must.

Ryu's better theme.

An actually good 02 remix like this one.

I don't care if it's not remotely Nintendo. I want this song in Smash more than any other.

 

[Idon]

Why bother with Dark Samus and whats-his-name? are all we need for Metroid.

Dark Samus looks cool, has unique moves, and is a big part of the plot.
It's really that simple.

The only issue is that her appearance is very similar to Samus's and she shares her name, meaning there's no way in hell Sakurai's going to put her in as a unique character.

 

[Arcanir]

The biggest issue with Dark Samus as an Echo is she (lore has called DS a she before, so I'm sticking with it) fights completely differently than Samus. Not only movement wise but moveset wise. It's not a Shadow situation where it COULD work even though Shadow has shown unique moves. It'd be downright strange.

The thing is, the same thing goes for Lucina. In canon, she learned her fighting style from her father, who didn't inherit his from Marth by any means. So her fighting the same as Marth goes against the lore of their world. Additionally, in lore Dark Samus does steal and use her own variations of Samus' abilities due to the fact that she took the latter's suit and used it as a vessel, which means theoretically she could use tweaked versions of Samus' moves with the only exception being the Screw Attack as Prime 1!Samus never got it.

Thus her being an Echo can work for the character as she is a doppelganger that has access to those abilities and does make unique use of them. It may not be a full use of what she can do and I do understand not wanting that for her, but it's not out of the realm of possibility due to how the concept work.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Unique:
1. K. Rool
2. Geno
3. Ashley
4. Elma
5. Lip
6. Simon Belmont

Semi Clones:
1. Isabelle
2. Dixie Kong

Echoes:
1. Chrom

Also new 4chan text leak. The count has been updated and Simon joins the 20+ club.

Spoiler: Leaks

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421935071/#421935071
Newcomers: K. Rool, Ashley, Dixie, Mimikyu, Tails, Simon Belmont
Echoes: Jody Summers, Isabelle

I want to believe that leak just for listing Jody Summers alone.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Why does everyone forget?

I know about that, but I don't really count that version of Ganondorf as the Ocarina of Time version.

 

[Arcadenik]

Also new 4chan text leak. The count has been updated and Simon joins the 20+ club.

Spoiler: Leaks

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421935071/#421935071
Newcomers: K. Rool, Ashley, Dixie, Mimikyu, Tails, Simon Belmont
Echoes: Jody Summers, Isabelle

Jody Summer as an Echo Fighter of Zero Suit Samus? Yeah right.

 

[DarkFalcon]

The thing is, the same thing goes for Lucina. In canon, she learned her fighting style from her father, who didn't inherit his from Marth by any means. So her fighting the same as Marth goes against the lore of their world. Additionally, in lore Dark Samus does steal and use her own variations of Samus' abilities due to the fact that she took the latter's suit and used it as a vessel, which means theoretically she could use tweaked versions of Samus' moves with the only exception being the Screw Attack as Prime 1!Samus never got it.

Thus her being an Echo can work for the character as she is a doppelganger that has access to those abilities and does make unique use of them. It may not be a full use of what she can do and I do understand not wanting that for her, but it's not out of the realm of possibility due to how the concept work.

If I had to choose between Echo Dark Samus and no Dark Samus at all, I'd choose Echo even if I think it makes no sense. I think the reason Lucina is a carbon copy of Marth is because she faked being Marth, so Sakurai just went with that. Lucina can at least feasibly be a clone of Marth gameplay wise.

There's a few things for Dark Samus that just don't work. She's never used a morph ball ability (I've looked this up and have seen conflicting reports about her using a morph ball), or the bombs. She's curled up and launched herself at Samus, but it wasn't a morph ball. You can't just reskin the missles as phazon blasts, because she rapid fires phazon blasts. Sure, you can reskin all her smash attacks to be phazon explosions, and maybe her neutral B, but there's way too much stuff to change for her to be a echo. That's why at worst for her to work she has to be a semi clone.

 

[Idon]

If I had to choose between Echo Dark Samus and no Dark Samus at all, I'd choose Echo even if I think it makes no sense. I think the reason Lucina is a carbon copy of Marth is because she faked being Marth, so Sakurai just went with that. Lucina can at least feasibly be a clone of Marth gameplay wise.

There's a few things for Dark Samus that just don't work. She's never used a morph ball ability, or the bombs. She's curled up and launched herself at Samus, but it wasn't a morph ball. You can't just reskin the missles as phazon blasts, because she rapid fires phazon blasts. Sure, you can reskin all her smash attacks to be phazon explosions, and maybe her neutral B, but there's way too much stuff to change for her to be a echo. That's why at worst for her to work she has to be a semi clone.

Ha, you think Sakurai cares about that lore?
He'll just shove it in there and call it a bonus.

 

[Starbound]

Lore doesn't matter for echoes. Daisy doesn't have any connection with Toads or Vegetables.

 

[Knight Dude]

I honestly hope we get Megaman X stuff but I doubt we will get anything outside of Classic.

Is the X Collection out yet? I wanna show my support so we can get an X9 like how MM11 is happening x.x

Not yet I don't. It'll be out soon though.

I already have the Gamecube colleciton, so I might just get part 1 since MMX1-MMX4 are great enough games to double dip for, but I don't want to own X7. And I'd rather get MMX8 by itself on PS2.

X Challenge seems fun though.

Lore doesn't matter for echoes. Daisy doesn't have any connection with Toads or Vegetables.

That much is true.

Did they ever show off what Daisy's Down B was? I know it'll have to be extremely similar to the Turnip, but I don't know if it was re-skinned, like making the Toad Blue.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

Alright, here's a new game: Name 3 songs that you want to have in SSBU, regardless of how likely or unlikely they are to get in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HEEuCeclSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmz06IGNd_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKeTuZ-zoeA

 

[Chandeelure]

Also new 4chan text leak.

Spoiler: Leaks

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/421935071/#421935071
Newcomers: K. Rool, Ashley, Dixie, Mimikyu, Tails, Simon Belmont
Echoes: Jody Summers, Isabelle

Jody Summer sounds more random than Steenee, and I'm not even joking.

Steenee at least is recent and has the Pokemon anime.

Jody Summer has like no popularity, requests, moveset potential and is from a franchise that is basically dead.
She being a ZSS clone is even more random, will Jody get Jet boots, a Paralizer and a Plasma Whip too? lol.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

Thanks for everyone who replied to my post about about 12 newcomers.

Here’s a challenge for you all,
Since the OG12 seems to hold such an importance this time around. Let’s do a 12 Newcomers list. They can be predicted, wanted, or both. Rules are 8 original/unique characters (2 of which have already been revealed in Inkling and Ridley, so you only need 6 more.) 2 semi-clones, and 2 Echoes (1 of which is Daisy, so you really only need 1 more.)

And....GO!

Unique characters:
1. Ridley
2. Inkling
3. Decidueye
4. Elma
5. King K. Rool
6. Paper Mario
7. Ashley
8. Sora

Semi-clones:
1. Dixie Kong
2. Medusa

Echoes:
1. Daisy
2. Dark Samus

 

[Arcanir]

If I had to choose between Echo Dark Samus and no Dark Samus at all, I'd choose Echo even if I think it makes no sense. I think the reason Lucina is a carbon copy of Marth is because she faked being Marth, so Sakurai just went with that. Lucina can at least feasibly be a clone of Marth gameplay wise.

There's a few things for Dark Samus that just don't work. She's never used a morph ball ability, or the bombs. She's curled up and launched herself at Samus, but it wasn't a morph ball. You can't just reskin the missles as phazon blasts, because she rapid fires phazon blasts. Sure, you can reskin all her smash attacks to be phazon explosions, and maybe her neutral B, but there's way too much stuff to change for her to be a echo. That's why at worst for her to work she has to be a semi clone.

The fact that she does turn into a ball does mean that the base ability of a Morph Ball is availiable to her. Samus can't use any of her Morph Ball abilities without being in the ball, so Dark Samus transforming into a ball and using a variation of Boost Ball does mean that she has access to it. The same holds true to the Missile Launcher, she uses a variation of it, so she has access to it.

And really, that's the thing: Lore-wise she has reason to use those abilities as she stole Samus' suit and is shown to use variations of them. That's why she uses variations of moves like the Boost Ball, Missile Launcher, and Power Beam, those were moves that Samus had and moves that she took. If anything, she has more of a reason to be a Samus clone then Lucina does a Marth one since lore actually gives them the wiggle room to do that type of thing.

Again, I'm not saying it's preferable, but I don't think it's impossible. Echo Fighters are already loose when it comes to lore, and Dark Samus by nature a character that draws from Samus, she can use those moves with her own tweaks.

 

[Pakky]

The child is strong

 

[Hinata]

This question has been asked before, I'm sure, but I just wanna know the thoughts of everyone here presently.

Gun to your head, which newcomers would you be willing to bet money on their being in Ultimate? Not necessarily who you want, but who you think is the most likely to actually make it out of all the popular options.

 

[Arcadenik]

Why does everyone forget?

Meowth's Party at the beginning of the video... that was Meowth's dream... to have his own game. RIP Meowth's dream

Am I the only one who feels like there's way too many things we don't know about the game?

Haha. This is so ironic.

Back when we were speculating about Smash 4, people complained about the lack of information when it comes to characters... and some of them even complained about boring Pics of the Day about game modes because they wanted characters.

Now that Smash Ultimate gave us the whole roster in one go (except for unknown newcomers), some people still think they don't know anything about the games.

 

[DarkFalcon]

The fact that she does turn into a ball does mean that the base ability of a Morph Ball is availiable to her. Samus can't use any of her Morph Ball abilities without being in the ball, so Dark Samus transforming into a ball and using a variation of Boost Ball does mean that she has access to it. The same holds true to the Missile Launcher, she uses a variation of it, so she has access to it.

And really, that's the thing: Lore-wise she has reason to use those abilities as she stole Samus' suit and is shown to use variations of them. That's why she uses variations of moves like the Boost Ball, Missile Launcher, and Power Beam, those were moves that Samus had and moves that she took. If anything, she has more of a reason to be a Samus clone then Lucina does a Marth one since lore actually gives them the wiggle room to do that type of thing.

Again, I'm not saying it's preferable, but I don't think it's impossible. Echo Fighters are already loose when it comes to lore, and Dark Samus by nature a character that draws from Samus, she can use those moves with her own tweaks.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it'd be incredibly awkward and much more strange than someone like Daisy copying Peach. Her moves are alterations of Samus's abilities. Meaning they function differently. Samus in Smash is already not a great representation of her. Adding Dark Samus as a echo who's even MORE different than Smash Samus? It's far worse than Daisy using a Toad or Lucina being a Marth clone. I'd accept it if it happened, but the conversation for Dark Samus isn't quite the same as someone like Daisy.

 

[Idon]

This question has been asked before, I'm sure, but I just wanna know the thoughts of everyone here presently.

Gun to your head, which newcomers would you be willing to bet money on their being in Ultimate? Not necessarily who you want, but who you think is the most likely to actually make it out of all the popular options.

Springman.
It's just too easy and obvious.

 

[DarkFalcon]

This question has been asked before, I'm sure, but I just wanna know the thoughts of everyone here presently.

Gun to your head, which newcomers would you be willing to bet money on their being in Ultimate? Not necessarily who you want, but who you think is the most likely to actually make it out of all the popular options.

Given what we know of when the project plan happened? I'd say K. Rool. Even then I'm not 100% confident in that choice lol.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

This question has been asked before, I'm sure, but I just wanna know the thoughts of everyone here presently.

Gun to your head, which newcomers would you be willing to bet money on their being in Ultimate? Not necessarily who you want, but who you think is the most likely to actually make it out of all the popular options.

A gen 7 starter, but I couldn't tell you which one.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Alright, here's a new game: Name 3 songs that you want to have in SSBU, regardless of how likely or unlikely they are to get in. 3 songs that you want to Smash to so badly, you'd let Link near your prized pottery collection for at least 30 seconds, just to ensure that they get into the game. They all must be from different franchises. Songs from all franchises owned by Nintendo and their 2nd parties, Sega, Konami, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Square Enix are all fair game, but no music from games not developed/published by any of these companies.

My List:

Spoiler

1. Wave Ocean ~ The Inlet (Sonic the Hedgehog (2006))

I hate just about everything in this game... except for the music. The vast majority (looking at you and your Midis, Chronicles) of Sonic games have amazing soundtracks, and 2006 is no exception. This is hands down my favorite track from 2006, it is the very definition of speed to me, and I'd love to fight with it playing in the background.

2. That Person's Name Is (Bravely Default)

I'd love to get music from other SE series aside from FF, and this is my number one choice. I loved BD as well as its music, and this track is a perfect fit for Smash, imho.

3. Battle! Aqua/Magma Leader (Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire)

Easily my favorite track from any and all Pokémon games, hands down. Being a Hoenn fanboy, I really want to see music from ORAS in SSBU, and this one is a must.

Tekken 7 - Infinite Azure
Hyper Street Fighter 2 - Ken's Theme (Arranged)
Ace Attorney Investigations 2 - Pursuit ~ Wanting to Find the Truth

 

[Knight Dude]

Alright, here's a new game: Name 3 songs that you want to have in SSBU, regardless of how likely or unlikely they are to get in. 3 songs that you want to Smash to so badly, you'd let Link near your prized pottery collection for at least 30 seconds, just to ensure that they get into the game. They all must be from different franchises. Songs from all franchises owned by Nintendo and their 2nd parties, Sega, Konami, Capcom, Bandai Namco, and Square Enix are all fair game, but no music from games not developed/published by any of these companies.

My List:

Spoiler

1. Wave Ocean ~ The Inlet (Sonic the Hedgehog (2006))

I hate just about everything in this game... except for the music. The vast majority (looking at you and your Midis, Chronicles) of Sonic games have amazing soundtracks, and 2006 is no exception. This is hands down my favorite track from 2006, it is the very definition of speed to me, and I'd love to fight with it playing in the background.

2. That Person's Name Is (Bravely Default)

I'd love to get music from other SE series aside from FF, and this is my number one choice. I loved BD as well as its music, and this track is a perfect fit for Smash, imho.

3. Battle! Aqua/Magma Leader (Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire)

Easily my favorite track from any and all Pokémon games, hands down. Being a Hoenn fanboy, I really want to see music from ORAS in SSBU, and this one is a must.

Welp. Here are mine.

1. Central Highway: Mega Man X1

Spoiler

This is straight up one of my favorite game tracks, let alone from Mega Man X. I'd be really happy if either the original or a rock-style remix was made for the game.

2. Killing Moon: Street Fighter 3 Third Strike

Spoiler

My favorite Akuma theme.

3. Vs Red/Lance: Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal

Spoiler

Why this wasn't remixed for Smash yet, I have no idea. Tough choice between this and the Gen 5 elite 4.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Lore doesn't matter for echoes. Daisy doesn't have any connection with Toads or Vegetables.

While that's true, Daisy doesn't have any actual canon abilities like dark samus has. It would be strange if dark samus didn't use her established abilities

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Lore doesn't matter for echoes. Daisy doesn't have any connection with Toads or Vegetables.

Yep I think it mostly matters on body type and general look.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

This question has been asked before, I'm sure, but I just wanna know the thoughts of everyone here presently.

Gun to your head, which newcomers would you be willing to bet money on their being in Ultimate? Not necessarily who you want, but who you think is the most likely to actually make it out of all the popular options.

Bandana Dee, I'm pretty confident it's gonna happen, there's no reason not to

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Bandana Dee, I'm pretty confident it's gonna happen, there's no reason not to

Unless Sakurai pulls the whole "I don't want to over rep my own series" again

Plus the fact that he doesn't add too many things from Kirby games he didn't help with/make. They're acknowledged sure, but I don't see it happening personally.

I'd like to be wrong but my gut is saying no.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

This question has been asked before, I'm sure, but I just wanna know the thoughts of everyone here presently.

Gun to your head, which newcomers would you be willing to bet money on their being in Ultimate? Not necessarily who you want, but who you think is the most likely to actually make it out of all the popular options.

I'd be willing to bet money on Ashley. For one, she was a big yes from the spirits, and for another thing she's massively popular in Japan, similar to Little Mac and Ridley here in America.