Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Pakky]

Just noticed its weird they went from Mario_01 to Link_03 and skipped DK_02

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Can this stop? If he gets in, we'll just move on to the next in line

 

[Zinith]

Just noticed its weird they went from Mario_01 to Link_03 and skipped DK_02

This will mean that characters who haven't been shown off yet (Yoshi, Luigi, Jigglypuff) are gonna be on the backburner for a while...

 

[Wyoming]

Just noticed its weird they went from Mario_01 to Link_03 and skipped DK_02

DK franchise confirmed irrelevant

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Just noticed its weird they went from Mario_01 to Link_03 and skipped DK_02

Well, we did have 65 and 13e previously, so I don’t think there’s an order

 

[KMDP]

Just noticed its weird they went from Mario_01 to Link_03 and skipped DK_02

To be fair Samus was the 2nd shown on the e3 character reel and DK was in the middle of the character change explanations.

There's no reason for them to go in order.

 

[Lady Byakugan]

That was never said. It's just a made up rule by the fanbase. Smash fans tend to do that a lot.

Preferably I would only want one per franchise because usually third parties have a bunch of great properties that it feels like a waste to use the same ip twice.

Agree, they shouldn't focus on one IP's characters, since I feel it would take away from the uniqueness of having said character in SSB among Nintendo characters if they are joined by a whole bunch of others. The only exception imo would be clones like Shadow, Jeane, or Ken.

 

[Arcanir]

I know I'm repeating myself, but this is K.Rool's issue.

Outside of DK64, he NEVER shows himself to the player until the very end of the game, which makes it hard for the player to identify him as "Oh, he's the guy I need to beat up."

The best villains in Smash always show up constantly to remind the player that "Hey, I'm your roadblock, I don't like you, your mom's smelly."


By constantly showing you the bad guy, it helps the player realize "Oh, this is who I need to beat up. This is my bad guy."

Even Ridley shows up super early in Super Metroid to help give you a motivation as to what you need to do.


K.Rool's issue is because he's never really been anything but "The shadowy mastermind behind it all that you see at the end", he's never really cemented himself in the general gamer's consciousness as "The DK villain."

A bit late on this, but I've seen this tossed around a bit and I'm not sure if it's true. Even ignoring DK64, it should be noted that DK did have a cartoon show where King K. Rool was a major character and antagonist. It ran for 40 episodes, and it did seem to be successful enough to get merchandise over in Japan.

So honestly, even if many kids didn't beat the DKC games, that doesn't mean they weren't familiar with him. Many kids could've easily grown up with the character through that medium and enjoyed him that way.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think K.Rool definitely has a chance this time. His popularity is evident and we have some form of evidence in the Mii costume that his popularity was notable enough to be acknowledged.

Still, while Ridley was put in due to fan demand...

We... don't actually know if Sakurai still wants characters to have recent appearances.

are all characters who have recent appearances.

 

[Pakky]

No source. it simply hasn't happened yet and people are assuming.

Mega Man, Pac-Man, and Bayonneta don't really have any standout characters aside from their main protagonist.

Well you got the "Luigis"

Jeanne

Mrs. Pacman?

Protoman/Base/ Zero

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

It even has memes, and that certainly does help make things relevant and popular.

But I mean, it clearly didn't help poor Waluigi

 

[Lady Byakugan]

With Echo characters, I really hope they give us substantial enough reasons to pick them vs their original. Like, with Marth and Lucina, that makes sense since the few differences they have change their play styles greatly. But then you look at Dark Pit who is barely any different than Pit. But I guess he initially gotten since all he really needs is a paint job. Unfortunately for Daisy, she seems to be leaning towards being like Dark Pit than she is to Lucina.

 

[GaroMaster]

Alright, so here's a question that I have been wanting to ask:
When it comes to Ultimate's newcomers, what is the most important aspect to you? I am not talking specific characters, but rather, a specific characteristic that you have an interest in many of Ultimate's newcomers sharing.
Outside of having a unique moveset, I personally want to see more cartoony and visually distinctive characters make up Ultimate's newcomer lineup.
As much as I enjoyed Smash 4's newcomers, most of them were either humanoid or realistic. That's why newcomers such as Pac Man, Duck Hunt, Villager, Bowser Jr., and Greninja stood out to me. They had unique designs and were really expressive. I don't hate humanoid characters, but it didn't help that Mewtwo was the only non human character as DLC for Smash 4.
So far, I think Ultimate is off to great start with this, as the Inklings are very cartoony while Ridley has a unique aesthetic and is one of the few dragons in the game.

 

[KMDP]

Agree, they shouldn't focus on one IP's characters, since I feel it would take away from the uniqueness of having said character in SSB among Nintendo characters if they are joined by a whole bunch of others. The only exception imo would be clones like Shadow, Jeane, or Ken.

There are arguments to be made for choosing, among Sonic characters, Shadow and Tails:
With Shadow, Sonic Adventure 2 was the first cross-platform Sonic game. With Sonic representing the Nintendo-Sega rivalry as a whole.
Tails is the Luigi to Sonic's Mario.

I think Ken is pretty likely to, considering he's the first and best known Fighting Game clone.

 

[Wyoming]

Well you got the "Luigis"

Jeanne

Mrs. Pacman?

Protoman/Base/ Zero

Pfft clones and echoes, who wants those losers?

-puts his love Ken under the sofa-

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Random idea, what if there's 4 brand new characters and outside of Inkling they're the #1 characters of each major region (Japan, Americas, Europe)?

If Ridley is USA's #1 then who'd be the JP and EU ones?

 

[Lady Byakugan]

There are arguments to be made for choosing, among Sonic characters, Shadow and Tails:
With Shadow, Sonic Adventure 2 was the first cross-platform Sonic game. With Sonic representing the Nintendo-Sega rivalry as a whole.
Tails is the Luigi to Sonic's Mario.

I think Ken is pretty likely to, considering he's the first and best known Fighting Game clone.

Well, if any third party IP were to be an exception, no doubt it would be Sonic given his ties to Mario

 

[Pacack]

Yes I did answer your question. Well, one of them. That being why do I feel he isn't a forgotten villain. You ask ANYONE who DK's big bad is, It's K Rool.

You are omitting the response that I believe is most likely.

"Uh...does he have one?"

He's recognized within his own series as a more recurring villain than any one-offs. That doesn't mean he's DK's Bowser so much as it means he's DK's Giygas.

Notable to his franchise? Sure. Notable to anyone who isn't specifically looking for a villain from the DK series? Eh...less so.

He's Iconic to the series and has appeared in most of his games. DKCR and TF are the only main DK games to omit him. So, no. He's far from a relic.

He hasn't been in a Donkey Kong Country game for 18 years. I am one of many people who grew up having never heard of him.

Further, he's the same in the sense that now he is the new "Never gonna be in Smash, suck it, fanboys!" which is such a fallacy.

I didn't say that he was never going to be in Smash. But his situation isn't the same as Ridley's was. That's false equivocation.

I mean, for pete's sake, why am I explaining this to a PAC MAN fan! You of all people should know anything can happen and my reasoning for the support i give.

What does about anything you said have to do with me being a Pac-Man fan? I assume you aren't comparing K. Rool's inclusion to Pac-Man's.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

No source. it simply hasn't happened yet and people are assuming.

Mega Man, Pac-Man, and Bayonneta don't really have any standout characters aside from their main protagonist.

Zero and Tron Bonne beg to differ and Ms. Pac-Man was a pop culture icon before Namco started pretending that part of their history didn't happen (I blame Bandai). Bayonetta... yeah, she's the star.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Jeanne and Rodin stand out and have a pretty sizable fanbase in the Bayonetta fanbase.

Jeanne is pretty much as much of a main character of the Bayonetta series as Bayo herself.

Spoiler

Balder, Bayonetta's dad and the antagonist of Bayonetta, also has a fair amount of fans.

 

[Wyoming]

Random idea, what if there's 4 brand new characters and outside of Inkling they're the #1 characters of each major region (Japan, Americas, Europe)?

If Ridley is USA's #1 then who'd be the JP and EU ones?

Japan: Magnemite

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Random idea, what if there's 4 brand new characters and outside of Inkling they're the #1 characters of each major region (Japan, Americas, Europe)?

If Ridley is USA's #1 then who'd be the JP and EU ones?

Honestly? Probably soneone like Ashley or a DragonQuest character for JP.

EU I honestly don't know. Didn't they give us Bayo already?

 

[Shroob]

A bit late on this, but I've seen this tossed around a bit and I'm not sure if it's true. Even ignoring DK64, it should be noted that DK did have a cartoon show where King K. Rool was a major character and antagonist. It ran for 40 episodes, and it did seem to be successful enough to get merchandise over in Japan.

So honestly, even if many kids didn't beat the DKC games, that doesn't mean they weren't familiar with him. Many kids could've easily grown up with the character through that medium and enjoyed him that way.

Between you and me, I don't WANT to remember that the DKC cartoon existed.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Preferably I would only want one per franchise because usually third parties have a bunch of great properties that it feels like a waste to use the same ip twice.

I would agree if it weren’t for the Sonic series having the most amount of Nintendo history and being the most deserving of extra reps for 3rd party series (even if it’s just one unique character)

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Japan: Magnemite

Now I'm imagining Waluigi commanding an army of Magnemite like the villain in the Giritina movie.

 

[ned_ballad]

Like, lowkey, I'm absolutely fine with all of these choices but.... a 2nd Charizard?

I get that Zard probably lost Rock Smash and his Mega Form, but unless it was Mega-Zard X or Y at all times, how the hell would they differentiate him from Pokemon Trainer's 'Zard, appearance-wise?

Have him wear a mega stone maybe?

Like this
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...arizard.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160820131036

 

[Pakky]

Pfft clones and echoes, who wants those losers?

-puts his love Ken under the sofa-

You leave my waifu alone!

Spoiler: My bae No bully :(

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Good to know then, my dreams of Wario and Shantae fighting Risky in Smash haven't died yet!

In all seriousness though, I do wonder how much time and resources would be needed to afford more than one rep for a single third-party series.

 

[Shroob]

Have him wear a mega stone maybe?

Like this
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/7/75/Alain's_Charizard.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160820131036

I dunno, that seems like a really small detail.

If you have multiple Charizards that are both the same shade of orange, in the heat of a match, you're not going to be looking at a small detail on their model to determine if they could swap to a different Pokemon at any second.

You'd almost have to keep them in X/Y form at all times, and even then, X is the one closest to regular Charizard's skeleton enough to be considered an 'echo' imo.

 

[Pacack]

Random idea, what if there's 4 brand new characters and outside of Inkling they're the #1 characters of each major region (Japan, Americas, Europe)?

If Ridley is USA's #1 then who'd be the JP and EU ones?

Japan: Ashley or Slime, I bet.

EU: If Bayonetta doesn't count, then maybe a Ubisoft character like Rayman? Sora? Lara Croft, perhaps?

 

[ned_ballad]

I dunno, that seems like a really small detail.

If you have multiple Charizards that are both the same shade of orange, in the heat of a match, you're not going to be looking at a small detail on their model to determine if they could swap to a different Pokemon at any second.

You'd almost have to keep them in X/Y form at all times, and even then, X is the one closest to regular Charizard's skeleton enough to be considered an 'echo' imo.

I guess they could make it a slightly different shade of orange if they wanted

I don't think having it always mega evolved would work out too well. It would make it seem like that character is stronger than regular Charizard

 

[Lady Byakugan]

Melee increased the roser by 12
Brawl by 15 newcomers.
Smash 4 by 19.

However, this time around, I expect 5-6 newcomers at best with 3-4 echos, and that's including the 3 confirmed already, given the development time has gone to making sure all the veterans return, and given that echos are being given this level of attention, it's safe to say Daisy won't be the last.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I honestly would find a new Sonic rep the most boring choice of all of them. Deserving maybe, but I dont necessarily think any Sonic character is ideal. I'd love someone like Raiden, or Black Mage, or Rodin, but Tails and Knuckles and Shadow etc. just seem so bland to me. Maybe it's because they are so similar to Sonic in their games? I dunno.

 

[Shroob]

I guess they could make it a slightly different shade of orange if they wanted

I don't think having it always mega evolved would work out too well. It would make it seem like that character is stronger than regular Charizard

Honestly, that 'leak' seemed reasonable until "A second Charizard".

Now I'm just scratching my head.

 

[Pacack]

I honestly would find a new Sonic rep the most boring choice of all of them. Deserving maybe, but I dont necessarily think any Sonic character is ideal. I'd love someone like Raiden, or Black Mage, or Rodin, but Tails and Knuckles and Shadow etc. just seem so bland to me. Maybe it's because they are so similar to Sonic in their games? I dunno.

Dr. Eggman strike your fancy?

Edit: In a mech, perhaps?

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I hope the website starts revealing more ATs soon so we can stop it with the "X assist trophy wasn't seen at E3 so they must be playable!"

Me too. Also, I need to know if my girl Isabelle is on that list. Please God, I hope she isn’t.

 

[Zinith]

Melee increased the roser by 12
Brawl by 15 newcomers.
Smash 4 by 19.

However, this time around, I expect 5-6 newcomers at best with 3-4 echos, and that's including the 3 confirmed already, given the development time has gone to making sure all the veterans return, and given that echos are being given this level of attention, it's safe to say Daisy won't be the last.

Actually it was 14 for Melee
18 for Brawl
17 for Smash 4
4 for Smash 4 DLC

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Can't wait for the first bit of news that isn't from E3 personally. Think we're in for a wait, mind.

I think its time to reveal the next character, Sakurai. Smashboarders are getting antsy with the spinning around in circles!

A character a month would be more than reasonable. Assuming we get at least 12, we could have a character every month and still have plenty of surprise unlockables.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Sonic's friends are about as similar to him as Mario's friends are to him. Like Luigi has a lot of similarites to Mario but he's still his own individual with only things he can do.

The same rings true of Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, etc.

 

[Pakky]

Dr. Eggman strike your fancy?

Edit: In a mech, perhaps?

That is the correct choice imo



The thought of vs Eggman