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Sakurai was literally shaking his head watching her off-the-top combos at E3, and was met with a crowd of hundreds of people booing.
LET'S GO! Vannilite and LET'S GO! Trubbish
How about a third version?
I don't know tbh, found it on google 4 years ago
Now comparing FE and XC is a bit unfair in this instance, since Awakening, the game before Fates, sold around 2 million units, while the first Xenoblade sold closer to 200,000, so a Fire Emblem character was hugely more safe to pick as a DLC character.
The boos were what did her in, IMO. Live boos from fans while the game's director is standing there is a pretty strong indicator of public opinion.
It's nice to have a source now when people who don't understand game development reference the game being built completely from the "ground up." He straight up mentions that he used "pre-existing" systems to develop this game.
The day this happens is the day I ascend. I'd play it all day long.
Yeah, "Project Plan" For Sakurai has always involved having the entire roster picked out, with the occasional clone and Spiky Blue Rodent making it in later on. For the most part though, it's the final roster.
Bayo and Cloud were probably added later
Hmmm....
Probably not, actually. In fact, they may have even been among the first, considering I'd assume Sakurai got the rights for them in 4 and Ultimate at the same time.
To note:
I wonder how Sakurai would make Bayonetta combo heavy without making her too OP... Someone has ideas?
Almost entirely. I believe in Brawl's case, Wolf, Toon Link and Sonic were added way late in development after the final roster had already been decided for a year. So it's not that it's impossible for things to change, but it's unlikely. Particularly if Nintendo had planned on releasing Smash this winter all along, considering they don't have any other major first-party Switch releases scheduled then besides Mario Party and the Pokemon spin-off.
Increase her aerial moves' knockback so that she can't combo as easily the higher their damage goes up. Makes it less likely that she carries them up off the top.
Very true, very true. At the very least, it's a solid chunk of what the final roster will be. Things can always change, of course.
My only idea would be for her to make it so that her up air, Witch Twist and afterburner kick just flat out won't kill at the top unless they're used raw. But that may also be a horrible idea. I'm sure they'd think of something, whether it will or will not be too drastic has yet to be seen.
I guess remove her total damage output and knockback stuff?
That would mean bayo didnt even get in from winning the ballot
I doubt this is how they'd do it but if you want Bayonetta to be a combo character and not be OP, what I think you should do is alter her risk/reward ratio, right now Witch Twist is just too safe of a move for the amount of reward you get off of landing it, I'd give it tons more end-lag and landing lag if it misses. Same thing goes for Witch Time, it's overly safe for a move that can punish mere neutral pokes with death, I'd slap a ton of end-lag on it if it misses and make her take extra damage during that end-lag. Right now she's a low-risk high-reward character, I'm more than fine with her keeping that big reward if there's a big risk involved with it.
You didn't respond to my first point. What reason do you have to think that this game will use only ballot characters?
Essentially, this is what I'm saying. Picking a character from a series that just had a monumental success and pushing the next entry in the series hard makes sense from a business perspective.
ultrosalina:)Ooo, ballot conspiracy?
Me likey.
Ahh. I see. I think that should rule out Switch era characters like Spring Man and Rex/Pyra in the base roster for good, though their chances weren't that high to begin with.
No, it absolutely would. Bayo and Corrin were developed enough to be shown off in December, which I assume would have taken at LEAST a month. The Ultimate Project Plan was finalized in December as well. We don't know when he STARTED planning out the characters, it's just a safe bet that it was around when the ballot ended. What we do know for sure is the project plan was complete around the time they showed them both off. If his goal from the start was "Bring every character in the series back", he probably planned out the DLC ahead of time.
Previous DLC were all either veterans, a very recent character, big third parties and the ballot "winner."
Any combination of very low percent damage, low knockback finishers, and more moves put her into a helpless state.
How about something like how it works in fighters like Dragon Ball FighterZ? (not sure about more typical fighters) Your combos have diminishing returns the longer they go on, so an attack deals more damage at the start of a combo than at the end. Also the hitstun window decreases, so the combo is harder to maintain.
I said the opposite, that is fan focused, but that if Sakurai doesn't sees potential in the character, not even being popular will help him be playable.
Well, you're lucky, we don't have veterans to re-create this time xDU. The other stuff are harder to predict.
You're one step closer to making me unleash my full Waluigi fanboy, Zeox.
Ridley doesn't even have his pogo stick tail.
Damage scaling is a terrible way to balance a game and it's a good thing that Smash in general has no use for it (move staling isn't the same). Putting in a system like that just because of Bayonetta would be nerfing every other character just to keep her gimmick. If it only applies to her, well, I'm sure Sakurai wouldn't do that since it's a huge mechanical difference that isn't visually obvious. Beyond that, it actually probably wouldn't be that much of a nerf for two reasons:
I am talking in how Sakurai's sees it.You're one step closer to making me unleash my full Waluigi fanboy, Zeox.
Just read that and I think his comments on Geno mean nothing. For one thing he was asked the question, he didn't bring it up, it would've been weird if he avoided it. And all he mentions is Geno being a requested character and him thinking about making him playable during Brawl. Nothing here gives away his current thoughts on Geno. That and given how he was talking about the end of Smash 4 (Dec 2015 Direct) while also planning the next Smash shows Sakurai has a good "poker face" lol.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 just came out last year. That’s still pretty recent. Given that the game was an incredible success, has a major DLC update coming itself, and Sakurai loved the game, I don’t think it’s hard to see Rex & Pyra making it as a DLC newcomer. Not to mention, the potential for a unique moveset.
