Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Zinith]

Say Birdo has to get in the game.

But the time spent on her could be short and used for other characters.

Do you want:

• Echo Birdo based on Yoshi
• Semi-clone Birdo
• Full character Birdo

Full character. I don't consider her and Yoshi remotely similar when it comes to movesets. Half of Yoshi's schtick is eating based

 

[Rhus]

Speaking of... I miss Pit's old Final Smash from Brawl. I hope the Centurions are an Assist Trophy and they do the same thing.

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I don't miss it for how poor of a Final Smash it was

But they would make an amazing Assist Trophy, especially with all the centurion models from Uprising to use.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Speaking of... I miss Pit's old Final Smash from Brawl. I hope the Centurions are an Assist Trophy and they do the same thing.

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I do not miss the final smash but the assist trophy idea is really good

 

[GaroMaster]

K Rool and Goku would cause internet explosions for sure.

Otherwise, maaaaybe Waluigi cause recent memes.

And Geno has that potential as you mentioned.


I can't think of anyone else. Roster is perfect. I think it's up to Sakurai to put someone in the game now that I never thought I'd end up liking and that no one would have expected (WFT, Game and Watch...)

I would actually argue that Sora would cause internet explosions, for sure. He's been in many Smash fan games and many people really want him. I mean, many casual friends of mine want Sora and some of them don't even play Smash. The fact that many people think they are impossible would only make his inclusion that more impactful.
It also helps that many people are extraordinarily excited for KH3, so there's that.

 

[PeridotGX]

Say Birdo has to get in the game.

But the time spent on her could be short and used for other characters.

Do you want:

• Echo Birdo based on Yoshi
• Semi-clone Birdo
• Full character Birdo

Semi-Clone. Birdo doesn't work as a 1-to-1 Yoshi, and I'd be incredibly disappointed if the second unique Yoshi character wasn't Kamek.

 

[Nintendotard]

I want Crash Bandicoot so bad

 

[Will]

Speaking of... I miss Pit's old Final Smash from Brawl. I hope the Centurions are an Assist Trophy and they do the same thing.

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That's nothing compared to the Final Smash everyone really misses.

 

[Nintendotard]

Kind of a shame Dark Pit stayed a full clone (now echo). Was hoping for them to semi-clone him and give him more with his staff

 

[StormC]

Sora and Crash Bandicoot are probably the last third party mascots that are universally near and dear to millions of people's hearts on the level of who we have in the game already. Maybe Rayman too.

I think the fact that a third party character was not revealed at E3 tells me that there probably isn't one on that level in the base game - even if Simon Belmont makes it in, it wouldn't be quite the same.

 

[Zinith]

Accidentally put this in the wrong thread:

If anyone will become an Echo of Yoshi, it'll be Yarn Yoshi or Boshi, not Birdo.

Also she'd be a Mario character...

 

[papagenos]

Sora and Crash Bandicoot are probably the last third party mascots that are universally near and dear to millions of people's hearts on the level of who we have in the game already. Maybe Rayman too.

I think the fact that a third party character was not revealed at E3 tells me that there probably isn't one on that level in the base game - even if Simon Belmont makes it in, it wouldn't be quite the same.

basically what I'm thinking too, im guessing at simon cause of the leak and konamis involvement (save it for an october halloween reveal?) and then Geno who is only "sort of" third party.

both of which i dont think need an E3 reveal the way someone like Sora or Crash almost certainly would have gotten.

 

[Arcadenik]

If anyone will become an Echo of Yoshi, it'll be Yarn Yoshi

I can see this happening.

I guess that's one way of finally getting a second Yoshi rep.

 

[Pakky]

Sora and Crash Bandicoot are probably the last third party mascots that are universally near and dear to millions of people's hearts on the level of who we have in the game already. Maybe Rayman too.

I think the fact that a third party character was not revealed at E3 tells me that there probably isn't one on that level in the base game - even if Simon Belmont makes it in, it wouldn't be quite the same.

I'd say for third parties who have wide renown and have a spot in video game history would go like this in no order in particular.

Crash

Simon

Spyro

Sora

Banjo and Kazooie

Lara Croft

Rayman

 

[DarkFalcon]

Reminder to keep in mind when Sakurai started his plan for the game. Definitely somewhere in 2016. Any sort of representation after that year seems unlikely. Mario and Zelda getting stuff from later seems more like an exception to me, as he definitely had inside info, and even then Cappy is an aesthetic thing and Link doesn't have ALL his BOTW abilities. It's why the idea of any XC2 content in the main game seems unlikely even though we know Sakurai loves the game.

Also is probably why Splatoon 1 seems to be a focus and if we get anything from Splatoon 2 it might just be music.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Say Birdo has to get in the game.

But the time spent on her could be short and used for other characters.

Do you want:

• Echo Birdo based on Yoshi
• Semi-clone Birdo
• Full character Birdo

Semi-clone, you can change her grab and neutral special, but the rest of the moveset all works, and it'd be weird if she didn't have an egg spitting projectile attack. And get rid of the flutterjump too and give her a normal recovery

 

[KingBroly]

I'm surprised Yarn Yoshi isn't an alternate color.

And yeah, people hoping for anything post 2016 are wishful thinkers. Maybe for DLC, but I think Sakurai wants to make something else.

 

[Zinith]

And get rid of the flutterjump too and give her a normal recovery

What did you have in mind, 'cause I'm drawing a blank on that. The flutterjump is Yoshi's second most iconic move. What does Birdo have?

 

[Slavic]

Reminder to keep in mind when Sakurai started his plan for the game. Definitely somewhere in 2016. Any sort of representation after that year seems unlikely. Mario and Zelda getting stuff from later seems more like an exception to me, as he definitely had inside info, and even then Cappy is an aesthetic thing and Link doesn't have ALL his BOTW abilities. It's why the idea of any XC2 content in the main game seems unlikely even though we know Sakurai loves the game.

Also is probably why Splatoon 1 seems to be a focus and if we get anything from Splatoon 2 it might just be music.

Also, unlike Zelda, Mario, or Pokemon games, Xeno games aren't a surefire success historically. It's not a guarantee best seller or attention grabber like the aforementioned titles, so even though XC2 was likely being developed with that knowledge available to Sakurai, there's no predictability to whether a character would be well received from that game or not. He likely would have gone with a character of known renown instead. Moving forward, I would say XC has shown itself to be a safe horse to bet on, and Rex & Pyra will absolutely get represented eventually. But for the base game I think it would have been too early and/or too risky. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but both Xenogears and Xenosaga's franchises were cut short, so who can say until the roster is revealed.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Speaking of... I miss Pit's old Final Smash from Brawl. I hope the Centurions are an Assist Trophy and they do the same thing.

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I honestly don't get why they never reworked this and made it into palutena's final smash, at the very least it's more interesting than her current one

 

[Zinith]

I'm surprised Yarn Yoshi isn't an alternate color.

Not YET at least. Yoshi's the character we know probably the least (to my dismay)

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

What did you have in mind, 'cause I'm drawing a blank on that. The flutterjump is Yoshi's second most iconic move. What does Birdo have?

Maybe the swing from paper mario sticker star?

or the moon from colour splash?

(Apparently they can flutter jump?)

Or maybe there's something to pull from mario rpg? (never played it) or just have her shoot an egg downwards to propel herself up or something

 

[Hinata]

If anyone will become an Echo of Yoshi, it'll be Yarn Yoshi or Boshi, not Birdo.

Speaking of yarn, hear me out here.

Prince Fluff as a newcomer. Or maybe even just an Assist Trophy.

 

[Zinith]

Maybe the swing from paper mario sticker star?

or the moon from colour splash?

(Apparently they can flutter jump?)

Or maybe there's something to pull from mario rpg? (never played it) or just have her shoot an egg downwards to propel herself up or something

An... interesting suggestion. Crazy enough it might just work.

Also she was in SMRPG but didn't have aerial based attacks as far as I know...

 

[DarkFalcon]

Also, unlike Zelda, Mario, or Pokemon games, Xeno games aren't a surefire success historically. It's not a guarantee best seller or command grabber like the aforementioned titles, so even though XC2 was likely being developed with that knowledge available to Sakurai, there's no predictability to whether a character would be well received from that game or not. He likely would have gone with a character of known renown instead. Moving forward, I would say XC has shown itself to be a safe horse to bet on, and Rex & Pyra will absolutely get represented eventually. But for the base game I think it would have been too early and/or too risky. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but both Xenogears and Xenosaga's franchises were cut short, so who can say until the roster is revealed.

Yep. I think we'll for sure get XC2 content as DLC. Unless Sakurai played the game and loved it so much he decided to make a last minute add on for Rex and Pyra, but I doubt it. Also is why I don't think Crash is likely. The remakes got revealed really late 2016 if I'm remembering right. Same with people all of a sudden talking about Spyro after his game remakes got announced, though if either of them were more likely it'd be Crash based on timing.

I think we'll definitely get one third party, but I don't think it's either of those two.

 

[Will]

If Super Mario RPG actually does get representation, is there any stage from the game you'd like to make an appearance. The Axem Ranger's ship seems pretty viable.

 

[Zinith]

Speaking of yarn, hear me out here.

Prince Fluff as a newcomer. Or maybe even just an Assist Trophy.

As an assist trophy, he could probably pull some string and make part of the stage fold over shrinking the platforms and stuff

 

[PLATINUM7]

If Super Mario RPG actually does get representation, is there any stage from the game you'd like to make an appearance. The Axem Ranger's ship seems pretty viable.

I'm weird and would go for Bowser's Castle with Exor in the background but anything with the Forest Maze music is good for me.

 

[TheHumanSonikku]

Going to the Waluigi fan thing.. I've been hearing things about Waluigi fans harassing Sakurai (His twitter) about the character not being in the game. Is this true?

 

[Will]

Going to the Waluigi fan thing.. I've been hearing things about Waluigi fans harassing Sakurai (His twitter) about the character not being in the game. Is this true?

Fan singular, yes.

 

[GaroMaster]

You know, if Simon Belmont gets in, that means we can have 8-player Smash without any Nintendo characters.
Smash has come a long way since 1999. It went from being a fun experiment for Sakurai and Iwata to a crossover that not only celebrates video games as a whole, but rivals that of Avengers Infinity War as one of the most ambitious crossovers of any medium.

 

[papagenos]

If Super Mario RPG actually does get representation, is there any stage from the game you'd like to make an appearance. The Axem Ranger's ship seems pretty viable.

axem rangers ship would be dope.

boosters tower (its position would let you sort of see the rest of the map behind it since its front and center), nimbus land, or on top of Exor would be good too.

 

[Fenriraga]

Guys, can we just take a step back and acknowledge that a composer from the SONIC SERIES just straight up remixed Bomb Bomb Blush?!

GOD I LOVE SMASH SO DAMN MUCH.

 

[Zinith]

If Super Mario RPG actually does get representation, is there any stage from the game you'd like to make an appearance. The Axem Ranger's ship seems pretty viable.

The Forest Maze with Bowyer shooting arrows in the background turning players to stone...

 

[PLATINUM7]

The Forest Maze with Bowyer shooting arrows in the background turning players to stone...

Or locking them from using certain buttons.

Might be annoying getting it right given the different controllers and customisable controls but would be a really awesome throwback to his boss fight.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Guys, can we just take a step back and acknowledge that a composer from the SONIC SERIES just straight up remixed Bomb Bomb Blush?!

GOD I LOVE SMASH SO DAMN MUCH.

I'm gonna need some more Splatoon remixes from this guy.

 

[Will]

Or locking them from using certain buttons.

What do you think I am, someone who has tap jump on just in case I can't press the X/Y?

 

[Hokori]

It would be unfortunate if Sora got into Smash Ultimate because I won't get the chance to use him.

Reason: I'll be dead.
Cause of Death: Got too happy and lost my ****.

Also getting a KH stage + music would just be too much for me to handle.

 

[Wyoming]

I'm surprised they didn't take Ryu's two final smashes as a concept and added it to everyone else. A short-range direct final smash and a long-range one for a bigger, damage dealing one.

 

[Fenriraga]

I really hope that Tomoya getting aboard the remix trains means that will finally get some more remixes.

Seriously Jun, I love your Angel Island remix, but outnumbered Sonic's remix counted tenfold in ONE GAME. I guess Sonic's lacking Japanese popularity might be a factor, but seriously, I wanna see some new composers give their take on some Sonic tunes.

 

[PLATINUM7]

I'm surprised they didn't take Ryu's two final smashes as a concept and added it to everyone else. A short-range direct final smash and a long-range one for a bigger, damage dealing one.

Because that's another 60+ Final smashes you have to make. Way too much work.