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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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How would you guys react if DLC is announced in a future direct, and the first DLC character they reveal is Sandbag, and that he would be available after the direct, and that he would be the only free DLC character?
 
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I'm not completely against the idea of Impa as a unique fighter, but this just sounds unbalanced to hell. When you have a character with this many positive attributes to them, frankly, why play anybody else?
Personally, I would love Tingle. Mostly just to see the internet explode with **** like "SMASH HAS TINGLE, RIOT" and "TINGLE GOT IN BUT NOT WALUIGI?!?!" Plus, he's one of the only recurring Zelda characters not already represented in the roster, so he at least has that going for him. That said, I absolutely expect him to just be part of Great Bay again, so I'm not getting my hopes up there.
The Plebs say Impa
The Woke say Tingle
The Ascended say Beedle
 
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How would you guys react if DLC is announced in a future direct, and the first DLC character they reveal is Sandbag, and that he would be available after the direct, and that he would be the only free DLC character?
I would probably be excited, but point out that SSF2 came up with that first.
 

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So ive noticed now of official art of the game that two variarions of the cast together both have Mr. Saturn is carried around by Pikmin...I can understand its a little nudge-nudge...but twice?
 

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How would you guys react if DLC is announced in a future direct, and the first DLC character they reveal is Sandbag, and that he would be available after the direct, and that he would be the only free DLC character?
I would detest this and demand that Smash change it to paid DLC so that I could pay for such greatness.

But honestly I'll never understand playable Sandbag, maybe I'm just blind to something
 

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This is a big problem I see in the community.

Yes, YOU may see DK, Yoshi, and Wario characters as Mario characters, but the fact of the matter is, Nintendo, and most importantly, Sakurai, do not.
Sakurai doesn't see them as Mario characters. I'll give you that.

But Nintendo for the most part largely considers Yoshi and Wario Mario characters. Even throwing them into the page for what they consider the main prominent Mario characters on their official website.

They may have the most successful spin-offs but to Nintendo? They definitely always come home and ARE prominently Mario characters.

Donkey Kong however? He's not as subjected to that.
 
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The Plebs say Impa
The Woke say Tingle
The Ascended say Beedle
Kind of off-topic, but it frustrates me to no end that the living effigy of greatness that is Groose doesn't get to reincarnate, but Beedle, the asshole who drops you out of the sky if you dare to enter his shop without buying something, does. There truly is no justice in the world.
 
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Shyy_Guy595

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Sakurai doesn't see them as Mario characters. I'll give you that.

But Nintendo for the most part largely considers Yoshi and Wario Nintendo characters. Even throwing them into the page for what they consider the main prominent Mario characters on their official website.

They may have the most successful spin-offs but to Nintendo? They definitely always come home and ARE prominently Mario characters.

Donkey Kong however? He's not as subjected to that.
Eh, I guess? Wario hasn't appeared in a Mario title in a while and him and Yoshi are most often treated as guests to the game they share with Mario now. Wario and Mario, discounting Mario Party and Kart where DK has been prominent in both as well, were last seen together in Mario 64 DS if I recall correctly.
 

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My vote for Zelda rep still goes to impa, specifically the skyward sword version, how would she fight you may ask?


plus this, magic barrier and explosive projectile

Also, if they really wanted to go outside the box they could have her use the sheikah runes as well
 

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So then why aren't Iris or Drayden playable? You fight them before fighting the evil team leader and facing the legendary Pokemon. Plus, Sakurai had their designs by the time Smash 4 pre-planning began. What about all the other Totem Pokemon? Surely they would fit in Smash Bros.

The fact is that compared to Lycanroc, Mimikyu, and Decidueye Hakamo-o and Kommo-o have no relevance outside of one encounter in the games.
I was just pointing out that Hakamo-o and Kommo-o do have some significance in Sun and Moon. I don't know what this has to do with Iris or Drayden. And what makes the other pokemon you mentioned more relevant? Mimikyu is a totem pokemon just the same as Kommo-k and Lycanroc is used by an island kahuna. Decidueye is the fully evolved form of a starter as is Incineroar. When it comes down to it none of those pokemon trump any of the others in the game itself. It really comes down to the player and their choiced for who they want on their team.
 

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Kind of off-topic, but it frustrates me to no end that the living effigy of greatness that is Groose doesn't get to reincarnate, but Beedle, the ******* who drops you out of the sky if you dare to enter his shop without buying something, does. There truly is no justice in the world.
Well, I once met a Happy Mask Salesman. ... Once.
 
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Kind of off-topic, but it frustrates me to no end that the living effigy of greatness that is Groose doesn't get to reincarnate, but Beedle, the ******* who drops you out of the sky if you dare to enter his shop without buying something, does. There truly is no justice in the world.
Beedle is just hype, yo. He's dat boi.

I will honestly laugh if he becomes playable before Tingle or Impa. At least Tingle has Japan amd Impa has her fans, but Beedle? That would be so out of the blue that I can honestly see Sakurai doing it.
 

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Speaking of whether or not certain characters are Mario characters, does anyone think Wario being in his own series hurts Waluigi's chances? I wouldn't think it would, but I'll admit, it'll be weird as heck to see Waluigi in a different series as Wario. It'd be like Luigi being grouped in the Luigi's Mansion series.
 

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Well, I once met a Happy Mask Salesman. ... Once.
Well, there's potential there for people's ideal Young Link moveset to be given to him.

Speaking of whether or not certain characters are Mario characters, does anyone think Wario being in his own series hurts Waluigi's chances? I wouldn't think it would, but I'll admit, it'll be weird as heck to see Waluigi in a different series as Wario. It'd be like Luigi being grouped in the Luigi's Mansion series.
There's hope for the E.Gadd and King Boo supporters there.
 

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Speaking of whether or not certain characters are Mario characters, does anyone think Wario being in his own series hurts Waluigi's chances? I wouldn't think it would, but I'll admit, it'll be weird as heck to see Waluigi in a different series as Wario. It'd be like Luigi being grouped in the Luigi's Mansion series.
No.

Waluigi is a Mario character. He's never appeared in a Wario game. So why would Wario being a rep for his spin-offs and not Mario itself hurt Waluigi?

The only thing that hurts Waluigi is Waluigi's own draw backs.
 

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Speaking of whether or not certain characters are Mario characters, does anyone think Wario being in his own series hurts Waluigi's chances? I wouldn't think it would, but I'll admit, it'll be weird as heck to see Waluigi in a different series as Wario. It'd be like Luigi being grouped in the Luigi's Mansion series.
I don't think that Wario having his own distinguished series would really impact Waluigi. Sakurai would either pair Waluigi with the Mario series, or cheat ad pair him with the Wario series.
 

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other m design looks better than samus returns
How dare you. Anyways, Samus's suit design in Ultimate seems more like a modified Other M suit to be made bulkier. Even Smash 4 had her shoulder pads bulkier. So I'm not too upset. I just like her Samus returns suit.
 

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And if you want to be technical, Waluigi is technically a Camelot character as well as a Mario character. A self-insert OC of the company.

Besides, if Snake's symbol can change, so can Waluigi's.
 

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I have a question for everyone. I applaud the team adding some fun and interesting costumes and not only that, but also bringing back Young and Adult Ike.

What 10 alternate outfits do you want to see?

  1. Phantom Ganondorf
  2. Young Link with the following Masks: Keaton, Mask of Truth, Troupe Leader, Great Fairy, Mask of Scents (Pigma puns), Garo, and Komaro
  3. Shadow Mewtwo from Pokken
  4. Sporty Peach
  5. Wedding Bowser
  6. Ms Pac-Man
  7. Justin Bailey Zero Suit Samus
  8. Pseudo-Palutena
  9. Yarn Yoshi
  10. Old Snake

What characters do you want to see get a returning outfit from previous Smash games (see Ike)?

Melee Fox
Melee Falco
Brawl Wolf
OoT (64, Melee) Link

For Smash 6, Sakurai will add every character that's ever been in Smash.

"Chorus Kids were only playable for about a month and a half in development of Smash for Wii U, but we figured that's good enough!"
And in Smash 7, they will add every character that was included in the initial round table discussion with the conceptual staff.

And Smash 8 will add every character that has a request from fans.
 

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I have a question for everyone. I applaud the team adding some fun and interesting costumes and not only that, but also bringing back Young and Adult Ike.

What 10 alternate outfits do you want to see?

  1. Phantom Ganondorf
  2. Young Link with the following Masks: Keaton, Mask of Truth, Troupe Leader, Great Fairy, Mask of Scents (Pigma puns), Garo, and Komaro
  3. Shadow Mewtwo from Pokken
  4. Sporty Peach
  5. Wedding Bowser
  6. Ms Pac-Man
  7. Justin Bailey Zero Suit Samus
  8. Pseudo-Palutena
  9. Yarn Yoshi
  10. Old Snake

What characters do you want to see get a returning outfit from previous Smash games (see Ike)?

Melee Fox
Melee Falco
Brawl Wolf
OoT (64, Melee) Link
As much as I love to have Boshi, Yarn Yoshi seems more likely to be an Echo Fighter...
 

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I have a question for everyone. I applaud the team adding some fun and interesting costumes and not only that, but also bringing back Young and Adult Ike.

What 10 alternate outfits do you want to see?

  1. Phantom Ganondorf
  2. Young Link with the following Masks: Keaton, Mask of Truth, Troupe Leader, Great Fairy, Mask of Scents (Pigma puns), Garo, and Komaro
  3. Shadow Mewtwo from Pokken
  4. Sporty Peach
  5. Wedding Bowser
  6. Ms Pac-Man
  7. Justin Bailey Zero Suit Samus
  8. Pseudo-Palutena
  9. Yarn Yoshi
  10. Old Snake

What characters do you want to see get a returning outfit from previous Smash games (see Ike)?

Melee Fox
Melee Falco
Brawl Wolf
OoT (64, Melee) Link
Wedding peach, and Fire Peach and Rosalina with the ponytail and everything

actually just give me ALL of these
 
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DarkFalcon

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Speaking of whether or not certain characters are Mario characters, does anyone think Wario being in his own series hurts Waluigi's chances? I wouldn't think it would, but I'll admit, it'll be weird as heck to see Waluigi in a different series as Wario. It'd be like Luigi being grouped in the Luigi's Mansion series.
No, because Waluigi is considered a Mario character. If he were to get in he'd be under Mario's icon. Wario is represented as WarioWare. Waluigi has no relation to WarioWare.
 

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I have a question for everyone. I applaud the team adding some fun and interesting costumes and not only that, but also bringing back Young and Adult Ike.

What 10 alternate outfits do you want to see?

  1. Phantom Ganondorf
  2. Young Link with the following Masks: Keaton, Mask of Truth, Troupe Leader, Great Fairy, Mask of Scents (Pigma puns), Garo, and Komaro
  3. Shadow Mewtwo from Pokken
  4. Sporty Peach
  5. Wedding Bowser
  6. Ms Pac-Man
  7. Justin Bailey Zero Suit Samus
  8. Pseudo-Palutena
  9. Yarn Yoshi
  10. Old Snake

What characters do you want to see get a returning outfit from previous Smash games (see Ike)?

Melee Fox
Melee Falco
Brawl Wolf
OoT (64, Melee) Link



And in Smash 7, they will add every character that was included in the initial round table discussion with the conceptual staff.

And Smash 8 will add every character that has a request from fans.


Interesting, I'll play along with ONLY confirmed additions.

In no specific order, just a count.

01. Dry Bowser.
02. Ninten (With name change when in use.)
03. Nurse Peach. (Just to not have Doc alone.)
04. Ms. Pac-Man.
05. Classic Pit.
06. Young Snake.
07. Sports Daisy.
08. Boshi (With name change when in use.)
09. Mach Rider for Captain Falcon.
10. Octoling (unless they get an echo)
 

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I have a question for everyone. I applaud the team adding some fun and interesting costumes and not only that, but also bringing back Young and Adult Ike.

What 10 alternate outfits do you want to see?

  1. Phantom Ganondorf
  2. Young Link with the following Masks: Keaton, Mask of Truth, Troupe Leader, Great Fairy, Mask of Scents (Pigma puns), Garo, and Komaro
  3. Shadow Mewtwo from Pokken
  4. Sporty Peach
  5. Wedding Bowser
  6. Ms Pac-Man
  7. Justin Bailey Zero Suit Samus
  8. Pseudo-Palutena
  9. Yarn Yoshi
  10. Old Snake

What characters do you want to see get a returning outfit from previous Smash games (see Ike)?

Melee Fox
Melee Falco
Brawl Wolf
OoT (64, Melee) Link
For something people are less likely to bring up, I want to see Plessie Yoshi (It would still be Yoshi as their proportions are too different, but he’d have details like the fins on his head and tail and the bandanna on his neck.)
 

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For something people are less likely to bring up, I want to see Plessie Yoshi (It would still be Yoshi as their proportions are too different, but he’d have details like the fins on his head and tail and the bandanna on his neck.)
Oh, you'd be surprised at how many Yoshi skin possibilities are churning in my head...
 

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Alt costume I wanna see?

Bring on the Green Thunder!
Dry Bowser would've been a cool Bowser Alt but at this point he may as well be a seperate character.
Shadow Queen Peach would definitely be fun.
Rosie's tennis outfit kinda looks like how her younger self looked in the storybook so that would be nice. That, or her OG concept art being referenced
Pimp Bowser
If not as an echo, give me mother****ing Ninten please
Repeat for Dark Samus
Ms. Pacman.
Shinies for Pokémon.
An actual Masked Dedede alt with an axe could be cool.

Definitely want Brawl Wolf.
SSB4 Bowser too.
 
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No, because Waluigi is considered a Mario character. If he were to get in he'd be under Mario's icon. Wario is represented as WarioWare. Waluigi has no relation to WarioWare.
I know that. I'm just saying it would be weird to see Waluigi grouped with every other Mario character except Wario. It makes absolutely no sense to put Waluigi in the WarioWare series, but it also doesn't feel right to not group him with Wario.
 
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Ooooh, cool! Does it give him the damage buff like it does the Inklings? That would make Inkling VS. Kirby matches pretty interesting...

What characters are people here most excited to try when the game comes out? I've been thinking lately that I might finally step away from Wario come this game as my main; I've been playing him for a decade now and kind of want to try something new. I'm leaning towards potentially becoming an Inkling or Ganon main right now, but that could change come launch.
I'm mostly excited to try my three mains: Sheik, Lucina, and Corrin. Outside of my main I want to try Zelda, Palutena, Pichu, Inklings, Link, Pokémon Trainer, Lucario, and Ridley. I'm unsure what new stuff Lucario was given (please faster movement speed, shorter frame rate, and WAY, WAY, WAY less end lag on moves especially Smash Attacks), but I'm interested to see. Zelda, Palutena, and Link are the ones I'm most interested in seeing though.
Actually I know of a more divisive Zelda character...

Fi
At this point if Impa (hopefully not an echo, but would still play regardless), Mipha, Fi, Linkle, or Tingle makes it in as next Zelda rep I'd be happy. Actually, playable Fi with the ability to turn into a blade, skate, hack, and slash through enemy sounds like something unique enough for Sakurai to include in the game.
 

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For Smash 6, Sakurai will add every character that's ever been in Smash.

"Chorus Kids were only playable for about a month and a half in development of Smash for Wii U, but we figured that's good enough!"
"Master Hand was playable by glitch in melee, we get to add him as a playable I guess."
"Dixie Kong? Playable for a few days in a Brawl test build."
"Tetra? She was playable in my soul during brawl development... Lets add her!"
"Plusle and Minun? Slightly edit pichu, it'll work out..."
 
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Forgot to mention, but Birdo as an echo or Yoshi alt would be pretty neat
 
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While there aren't exactly a whole ton of Alt. Costumes I'd love to see, a Dry Bowser Alt. alone would make me instantly pick up Bowser. He's been a thing for over ten years at this point, so I'm honestly baffled it hasn't happened already.
On the ridiculous side of things, however, a Pac-Man Alt. based on his appearance in the Hanna-Barbera Pac-Man show would absolutely make my year. Not gonna happen, I know, but ya gotta admit that the hat alone would be miles better than any costume the lad's got right now.
 

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If they're going all out on fan requests, I wonder if Luigi will finally get that Mr. L costume.

Personally I'd like Peach and Daisy to get their sports gear and, if she's not an echo, for Zelda to get a Hilda alt. Even go the extra distance and put her fringe behind the headdress and of course the purple lipstick
 

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"Master Hand was playable by glitch in melee, we get to add him as a playable I guess."
"Dixie Kong? Playable for a few days in a Brawl test build."
"Tetra? She was playable in my soul during brawl development... Lets add her!"
"Plusle and Minun? Slightly edit pichu, it'll work out..."
How would a playable Master Hand even work? He's not supposed to have a trophy of himself as the Kid who's playing with them
 

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I know that. I'm just saying it would be weird to see Waluigi grouped with every other Mario character except Wario. It makes absolutely no sense to put Waluigi in the WarioWare series, but it also doesn't feel right to not group him with Wario.
Idk. I never rally considered Wario and Waluigi as inseparable. Waluigi is the Mario spin off king while Wario is off doing his thing in his own series.
 
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