Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[StrangeMann]

While there aren't exactly a whole ton of Alt. Costumes I'd love to see, a Dry Bowser Alt. alone would make me instantly pick up Bowser. He's been a thing for over ten years at this point, so I'm honestly baffled it hasn't happened already.
On the ridiculous side of things, however, a Pac-Man Alt. based on his appearance in the Hanna-Barbera Pac-Man show would absolutely make my year. Not gonna happen, I know, but ya gotta admit that the hat alone would be miles better than any costume the lad's got right now.

I would actually like a dry bowser with the melee/brawl bowser moveset buffed a bit, but if that's not possible then an alt would be good.

How would a playable Master Hand even work? He's not supposed to have a trophy of himself as the Kid who's playing with them

I was joking about a melee glitch that allowed master hand to be playable:

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Peach was a trendy diva in the post game of Super Mario Odyssey.

Each single look is a ''YASSS QUEEN SLAYYYY."

That first look was a ****ing serve, yes hunny with the beret and everything

And that third look? Sis was in the damn sand kingdom rocking those silver heels. With a big ass hat, and a pink ascot with a matching pink skirt.

Peach is truly a fashion icon.

 

[CannonStreak]

If they're going all out on fan requests, I wonder if Luigi will finally get that Mr. L costume.

Personally I'd like Peach and Daisy to get their sports gear and, if she's not an echo, for Zelda to get a Hilda alt. Even go the extra distance and put her fringe behind the headdress and of course the purple lipstick

Wait, did Sakurai say they were going all out on fan requests? I think I missed something.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

If they're going all out on fan requests, I wonder if Luigi will finally get that Mr. L costume.

Personally I'd like Peach and Daisy to get their sports gear and, if she's not an echo, for Zelda to get a Hilda alt. Even go the extra distance and put her fringe behind the headdress and of course the purple lipstick

Hilda with all of Zelda's cheery new animations would be weird, she'd make a great echo though

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I love how much silly fan art we have of a deadly space dragon now because of Smash Brothers:

Spoiler

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

A third rep from a single game in a franchise that has a revolving door of hundreds of characters across 8 (9 with Three Houses) continents and 15 other games would be kinda sad.

To be fair, Awakening is significant to the Fire Emblem franchise as it was the game that saved the series. Giving it an extra Echo Fighter isn't a large effort to pay some homage to one of the main characters of the game.

I was just pointing out that Hakamo-o and Kommo-o do have some significance in Sun and Moon. I don't know what this has to do with Iris or Drayden. And what makes the other pokemon you mentioned more relevant? Mimikyu is a totem pokemon just the same as Kommo-k and Lycanroc is used by an island kahuna. Decidueye is the fully evolved form of a starter as is Incineroar. When it comes down to it none of those pokemon trump any of the others in the game itself. It really comes down to the player and their choiced for who they want on their team.

I brought up Drayden or Iris as they are in the exact same spot that you said Hakamo-o/Kommo-o was in for relevance: An important encounter prior to meeting the legendary pokemon of the game and defeating the evil team. The totem pokemon are of equal significance to Hakamo-o/Kommo-o. Compared to the three Pokemon I mentioned:
Decidueye:

• Starter Pokemon (Sakurai may have gotten it's art early)
• Only new playable fighter in Pokken Tournament DX (The rest were from the arcade version)
• Unique Z-Move in Sun/Moon (meaning Sakurai would have known of this earlier)
• Unique Archer/Ghost Moveset
• Some merchandising from Pokemon Company
  • Prominence in TCG

Mimikyu:

• Prominent encounter in game
• One of Team Rocket's Alola Team Members - Prominent in Anime
• Has it's own song made by the Pokemon Company
• Unique Z-Move in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon
• Merchandising from the Pokemon Company
  • Prominence in TCG
• Unique Ghost/Fairy/Copy of Pikachu Moveset

Lycanroc:

• Had two forms in Sun/Moon, had another form added in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon
• Ash's Ace Pokemon in the anime, like Pikachu, Charizard, and Greninja
• Unique Z-Move in Ultra Sun/Ultra Move
• Merchandising from Pokemon Company
  • Prominence in TCG
• Unique Rock-Type/Quadruped Moveset

Kommo-o/Hakamo-o:

• Psuedo-Legendary (means little - see Metagross)
• Prominent encounter in game
• Unique Z-Move in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon
• No significant appearance in anime
• 1 item of merchandise shared between entire evolutionary line
• Offers little unique not already covered by Charizard (Dragon) or other physical fighters (Captain Falcon, Mario, etc.)

As you can see, it's points of prominence are either shared or out-staged by other more prominent candidates. Regardless, I think Gen 7 is going to get skipped like Gen 5 and we'll see a Gen 8 rep as DLC.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Dry Bowser wasn't seen as an alt of Bowser in the demo, was he? That lends toward the belief that he's not in or he could potentially be an echo.

Tbh this Echo thing I feel is gonna be abused in the next games, if not already as there's a good amount of talk on at least 20 characters that could have one rn.

 

[AlphaSSB]

I have a question for everyone. I applaud the team adding some fun and interesting costumes and not only that, but also bringing back Young and Adult Ike.

What 10 alternate outfits do you want to see?

1. Phantom Ganondorf
2. Young Link with the following Masks: Keaton, Mask of Truth, Troupe Leader, Great Fairy, Mask of Scents (Pigma puns), Garo, and Komaro
3. Shadow Mewtwo from Pokken
4. Sporty Peach
5. Wedding Bowser
6. Ms Pac-Man
7. Justin Bailey Zero Suit Samus
8. Pseudo-Palutena
9. Yarn Yoshi
10. Old Snake

What characters do you want to see get a returning outfit from previous Smash games (see Ike)?

Melee Fox
Melee Falco
Brawl Wolf
OoT (64, Melee) Link

Combining both new and returning outfits into one list here:

Bowser - Dry Bowser alternate
Zelda - Breath of the Wild design
Zelda - Twilight Princess design
Ganondorf - Custom Breath of the Wild design
Ganondorf - Twilight Princess design
Ganondorf - Hyrule Warriors design
Samus - Dark Suit
Samus - Light Suit
Wolf - Star Fox: Assault armor
Snake - Punished Venom Snake

There may be more, I'm sure, but here's ten for now. I can think of tons of palette swaps I'd love to see, though.

 

[Con0rrrr]

It's still crazy to me that Ridley is in. Like. What do I even argue about with people now. I feel like this part from Finding Nemo perfectly illustrates the feeling.

 

[DarkFalcon]

It's still crazy to me that Ridley is in. Like. What do I even argue about with people now. I feel like this part from Finding Nemo perfectly illustrates the feeling.

Educate anyone that dares try to say "that's not Ridley his character is ruined lululul"

 

[Crap-Zapper]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

 

[Zinith]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

It would be "Ultimate" for me if Yoshi is top tier....

That's all

 

[StrangeMann]

It's still crazy to me that Ridley is in. Like. What do I even argue about with people now. I feel like this part from Finding Nemo perfectly illustrates the feeling.

Argue with people about the following I guess:
-Which pokemon, if any, gets in smash 5?
-Do we get a Xenoblade Rep, and is it Elma or Rex/Pyra?
-Does Donkey Kong get Dixie or K Rool first, assuming they get a rep?
-Was Vergeben right? Is Simon Belmont likely?
-Is Ubisoft going to get a rep this game? Is it rabbids or rayman?
-Who could possibly be an echo fighter for the next game? Dark Samus? Shadow?
-Is Rhythm heaven getting a character this installment? Will it be Chorus Kids?
All of these are pretty popular topics that are constantly argued about, and there's no clear answer to most of them for the moment so people should quit taking them so seriously (to the point I've seen some people get fired up over something they could have no possible clue or control over).

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I love how much silly fan art we have of a deadly space dragon now because of Smash Brothers:

Spoiler

I found a video of one of these

 

[Pakky]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

For my ten first parties

- King K Rool
Loved him since DKL2 Love his music love his costumes and he is the first villain of the DK crew. Would love it if each costume changed what he was called in the game but all of them retained the same move set.

- BWD
The 4th playable character in the Kirby Franchise has a unique weapon and plenty of others to draw on that aren't present in Smash.

- Medusa
Classic Villan of the IK series, IK nostalgia made the series relevant again so that should be capitalized on with its original villain
- Dixie

- Plasma Wraith.
I've brought this up many times in the past few months, but this is Olimar's enemy, no matter what form it takes it hunts him and only him.

- Captain Toad/Todette

A prominent character with his own series and partner. Much like Yoshi or Wario.


-Impa

One of two chracters no in Smash but is in Zelda that comes back with every new game just about in some form.

- Tingle

A Popular Zelda character with his own game that appears in multiple games and gives you maps.

-Rex and Pyra
Stars of newest entry in a budding Nintendo series. And they've met Shulk so yeah.

-Elma
A different spin on what's being presented for the budding series.

3rd Parties

- Rayman

LONG history with Nintendo and has a trophy in the game already

-Spyro

One of the biggest figures on the Playstation and is seeing a revival on the Switch

- Shantae
Has been with Nintendo A LONG time and is a beloved and popular character who has had a recent revival.

-Crash
One of the biggest figures on the Playstation and is seeing a revival on the Switch

-Simon

The only Konami rep left that makes sense and has cultural significance (With Bomberman as an assist trophy)

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

First Parties:
Dixie Kong
Impa
Elma
Krystal ( )
Bandana Dee
Fiora ( )
Isabelle
Tetra
K Rool
Isaac

Third Parties:
Rayman
Lara Croft
Crash Bandicoot
Shadow and Jeanne as echo fighters cause I can't think of anymore I want

 

[Sharkarat]

What 10 alternate outfits do you want to see?

My Costume Wishlist Includes

1. Ganondorf - Phantom Ganon (OoT) for me as well.
2. Peach - Nautica Dress from Mario RPG
3. Peach - Explorer like Mario Party 2
4. Mario - also Explorer
5. Mario - Cowboy
6. Link - Hero's Shade (Lol, this is never getting in)
7. Toon Link - Engineer
8. Meta Knight - Morpho Knight
9. Bowser - Dry Bowser
10. Just a Color, but Yoob Yoshi

 

[CannonStreak]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

Wanted 1st and 2nd parties:

King K. Rool

Black Shadow

Cranky Kong

Medusa

Captain Syrup

Elma

Isaac

Spring Man

Dark Samus

Dillon

3rd party characters.

Spyro

Crash

Simon Belmont

Rayman

Shantae

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

K. Rool.
Bandana Dee
Still want Captain Toad
Tingle/Impa/Beedle/Fi/literally anyone but only one or two.
I'd take Incineroar out of my bias but wouldn't be opposed to any
Kamek would be hella nice
Dixie Kong

I honestly can't think of many more that are needed in my eyes.

Third party?

Second Sonic rep
Crash/Spyro
Rayman

That's all I got.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Just a reminder to avoid double posting; edit your messages instead.

Anyway, for various characters I would like to see in;

1st Party;
-Ashley
-Toad(sadly not happening)
-Hector
-King K. Rool
-Dixie Kong
-Waluigi(sadly not happening)
-Takamaru(sadly not happening)
-Isaac

3rd party;
-Shovel Knight
-Simon Belmont
-Brian(Quest 64) (obviously not happening)
-Steve?
-Fulgore
-Master Chief
-Rabbids
-Shadow

All I can think of at the moment. Obviously many of them are clearly not happening, heh.

...I misread that criteria, but eh. This is still fun.

 

[AlphaSSB]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

Ten Nintendo Characters:
Slippy
Decidueye
Spring Man
Sylux
Isabelle
Ray
Impa
Captain Toad
Chibi-Robo
Skull Kid

Ideally, I'd add zero 3rd Parties, but if I had to add five:
Banjo & Kazooie
Simon Belmont
Monster Hunter
Doomguy
Rayman

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

My ultimate?

Nintendo

1. Chrom - love me some Awakening, and love me some Chromosomes. Make him an Echo of Ike for low effort.
2. Elma - I think between her, Shulk, and a Xenoblade 2 rep Xenoblade is represented perfectly. Each game is so different and has it's own identity, and I'd like to see all three in Smash. Her moveset with double guns and double swords could make for an interesting fast paced moveset, and I'd like to see that.
3. Rex & Pyra/Mythra - love me some Xenoblade, and I think there's a lot Sakurai could do with their moveset.
4. Bandana Dee - Spears, meet Smash Bros. That moveset writes itself and I need it in my life.
5. Chorus Kids - I'm all for more series being represented, and I was sad to see these guys miss the cut for Smash 4. I'd love to see what Sakurai did with them now that they're possible.
6. King K. Rool - Either he or Dixie are the last classic Nintendo stars needed now that we have Ridley. K. Rool has more possibilities than Dixie (who I see being an Echo Fighter), so let him in.
7. Isaac - More series representatives are always nice, and Isaac could have an interesting moveset based off of Dijin, manipulation of the elements, etc. Plus his fans have waited long enough.
8. Ayumi Tachibana - I see this game being the opportunity for lost ideas to get in, and I think Ayumi could make for an interesting retro/wtf character this time around.
9. Impa - It's the year 2018, we balance our roster representation here. She could have an interesting moveset taking from OoT, SS, and BotW, and I'd like to see what Sakurai and his team do with that.
10. Ashley - Lets get a mage in Smash. Please.

Third Party

1. Ray-man - With Nintendo and Ubisoft closer than ever, Ray-man is practically a lock in my book. With his disconnected limbs and content from his other games there's room for an interesting moveset.
2. Monster Hunter - Another interesting moveset from a series important to Nintendo. A moveset based off of preparation, trap setting, and controlling the field could be interesting, and with a variety of weapons to work with there's so much potential here.
3. Geno - Again, we're revisiting old ideas and Geno is long overdue.
4. Sora - More my personal preference, but I'd love to see him in Smash Bros.
5. Crash Bandicoot - The only third party on par with Mario and Sonic in my opinion. He was the poster boy of Playstation, and to see him face of with gaming's best would be amazing.

Here's my ultimate roster without character restrictions:

Spoiler: My roster

Echoes (Daisy, Lucina, Chrom, Dark Pit, Dixie, Shadow) are next to their original fighter on the base roster. DLC is the bottom section (Ken and Jeanne are DLC Echo Fighters).

 

[RonNewcomb]

Is there any change that you don't like? I mean, I'm glad BoTW is getting more rep, but having Link's bomb just be a more optimizable version of Snake's C4 bums me out a lot.

Yeah, Marth's voice, Ike's teenager look, and BotW Link isn't different enough. I mained adult Link and don't care for the BotW Link because hookshot, but if you're gonna have 3 Links in a game, one of which is based on the very recent and best-selling iteration in the series, then go hard on BotW Link being all new and very different.

I really hope Ryu's hadoken cannot be destroyed by everything including a stiff breeze. That isn't true to source material. Give it hit points like Pacman's hydrant if you must.

But the good outweighs the bad. I really like Shulk's Monado-selection wheel; I may actually try playing him now. Ryu's auto-pivot I also like, RAR nerf be darned. Stage hazards switch = thank you.

Unless you're talking about SF1, which almost no one ever is because it's not relevant to anything, Ken is definitely more different than Akuma. Ever since SFII he's used several kicks Ryu doesn't have and also lacks Ryu's Shakunetsu Hadoken. Akuma, on the other hand, has all of Ryu's specials plus an aerial version of hado and a command dash (which in this case could jost be a roll). A completely faithful version of Akuma's moveset would only need to change two moves from Ryu to account for the command normals that Akuma doesn't use, as well as angle aerial hado downward.
Even then, it's not really necessary to change anything but the hado since it's not like those moves are anything crazy.
Ken meanwhile would be sorely lacking if he didn't have his special kicks.

Were Ken added to Smash I would expect down-B to not be Focus Attack. That's a SF4 system function which Ryu kinda kept in SF5, but Ken usually gets forward-moving moves, like a command run in 5 or a forward roll in Alpha. Since all Smash chars can do those, I would expect Ken's down-b to be his "crazy kicks" from ST. Except in the air. I'd have his aerial down-b be a command throw, since Ken frequently gets an air throw (even in later SF2) while Ryu never does unless system mechanics give one to everyone. Oh and forward smash can't be the donkey kick. Not even Evil Ryu has donkey kick. Oh and the shield-breaking move is also an axe kick, not a downward punch.

I can't see Guile in Smash. His theme, sure, but Guile has 2 specials and plays like a fortress; neither transitions well to Smash. Chun is iconic but I don't feel her moveset adds much mechanically. Blanka would transition well FWIW.

My vote would go to SF4 Juri. Really interesting mechanically, and is very popular for a newcomer.

 

[YoshiandToad]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

Does this include the newcomers we've gotten thus far?

If not;
Nintendo characters:

1. Captain Toad
2. Dixie Kong
3. Bandana Waddle Dee
4. Impa
5. Meowth (Throw Dillon in if we're not allowed to include deconfirmed characters)
6. Waluigi (Throw Chrom in if we're not allowed to include deconfirmed characters)
7. Chibi-Robo
8. Isabelle
9. Kiran from Fire Emblem Heroes...with a Summoning moveset bringing forth various other Fire Emblem characters from the past and present such as Hector, Camilla, Chrom, Tiki, Anna, Takumi/Virion, etc. INCLUDE THEM ALL.
10. Slippy Toad

Honestly with the exception of Kiran I feel these guys are all important characters in their own right.

3rd parties:

1. Tails
2. Spyro
3. Crash Bandicoot
4. Bomberman(Throw in Banjo-Kazooie if we're not allowed to include deconfirmed characters)
5. Rayman

 

[Pazzo.]

I imagine the last few years of requests are being accounted for in this game... Attack out of Dash? Got it. Directional air dodge? Yep. Undead Space Dragon in the Room? Double check.

Look over the last few years of fan requests, you'll find your reasonable speculation there.

Smash Ultimate is a game for the fans and competitive.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

Here comes my picks for how it could currently become the "Ultimate" experience in term of characters left, that are possible, and would make me never need to ask Sakurai for anything again.

For the 10 Nintendo owned characters (no specific order, just for a count);

01. King K. Rool. - As this game is about all-stars, and characters we want, and love. King K. Rool to me was the reason I even started speculating in the first place, pre-Brawl. He alone would complete my most wanted newcomer, and feel like the DK series is rounded, but still ...

02. Dixie Kong. - Dixie would be the last member to fully round out the cast of DK characters in Smash. Not only for this reason, but also because as of now, she is perhaps the next most recognizable female character not yet in there. (I still think Dixie is more recognizable than Isabelle, fight me.)

03. Lip. - As a true fan of the series, I would be in heaven if I ever got to see Lip as a playable character. And, she is more possible than people believe. I think people are sleeping on her chance, but now that Taku is down, perhaps she would get some eyes on her. I know some will mention the Japan exlusivity, but I digress, she would definently make the game feel ultimate to me. Finally get the chance to join Pikachu for Puzzle League, Yoshi for Yoshi's Cookie, and Dr. Mario, her puzzle friends.

04. Bandana Waddle Dee. - There is, to me, only one Kirby character left that I need. As with Dixie and K. Rool, it's the 4th member(s) to round up the perfect series. BWD is the last prominent, absent character to fill that gap in Kirby. His spear use would be interesting, and it would make a lot of fans happy.

05. Isaac. - Golden Sun is a cult classic. I think Isaac itself is the one that really interests me concept wise. He would not be an anime swordsfighter, and a lot of people would get a closure. Like with F-Zero, another classic series that is dormant for the time being, C. Falcon is immortilized, Isaac needs that too. He would fit well in with the ultimate roster.

06. Black Shadow. - Speaking of F-Zero. While my second most wanted character is shot down again (RIP Goroh), I still got Black Shadow as a close second for the spotlight as an F-Zero character, and for all my life in the Smash Speculative scene, people have shot down the idea of another F-Zero pilot, and for good reasons, admitedly, but with echo fighters, perhaps, even if it would be a little bit disservice to the character itself, I'd be desperate enough for this to happen. I really like Black Shadow, and I feel like he deserves it, just as much as Goroh really does. Therefore, as F-Zero is one of my all-time favourite Nintendo franchises, I'd need a second F-Zero cast member to make this the ultimate. Plus, a brutal villain.

07. Medusa. - Talking about villains, we do not have a female villain. Medusa would fit that role, and being the only new Kid Icarus character I'd gladly accept, it says something. I think she is important enough, and it would make the cast more diverse. Definently a needed addition to make it ultimate.

08. Chorus Kids/Rhythm Heaven. - Now, this is less direct, but a rhythm heaven character representation would be really nice. I often question if it is the inevitable of Smash 4's datamining that makes us so desiering a RH character, but I think the series has sold well, and that the cast itself is diverse, and could bring something unique to the series. Chorus Kids is a frontrunner because of rumours, and concept wise they would bring something new to this ultimate game.

09. Chibi-Robo. - I just think Chibi-Robo is really cute. I believe it has a lot of moveset potential, and would make a great addition for a new series in Smash, so that we could build the ultimate roster.

10. Doshin the Giant. - Yes, my infamous WTF choice. As this is my list, I wanted to add Doshin, even if it's the tightest pipe-dream out there, perhaps. I just don't think size is an issue anymore, and Doshin's whole game is about growing with love, and shrinking with hate, so, it's no issue. He'd be unique, and I believe a character people would love, but not expect, at all. I have a soft spot for the yellow incarnation of the sun, and while Lip might be noted for being Japan exclusive, so is Doshin, but he is also a Europe exclusive, meaning, just America that did not get the taste of him, really. (The Europe character, boiii)


For 3rd Parties;


01. Geno. - I've wanted Geno since Brawl. And while time has shown us how slim of a chance a one-shot wooden doll has, we know that the creator of this game himself is a huge fan of Geno, and think he would be fun, and I do too. Now, with Square's biggest houshold name in the game, perhaps this would be the chance to give Geno fans, and Sakurai himself some closure.

02. Crash Bandicoot. - After the death of Bomberman, Crash raised his way up to my most wanted 3rd Party. I want to re-create the Mario vs Sonic vs Crash from the 90's. I've had Crash games both on Playstation, and on Nintendo consoles, he has a rich history with Nintendo people tend to forget, and he is actually popular in Japan. He is deserving of a spot in a game entitled "Ultimate".

03. Rayman. - He was a childhood icon of mine. Always thought he'd be cool, but never a high request of mine, but after being a trophy, and the death of Bomberman. I'd hope to see Rayman take part of the contest. Sukapon's proporations reminds me a lot of Rayman.

04. Simon Belmont. - I did not care for Belmont, until Pre-Smash Ultimate, where people made a great case for him, and now I can't think of him outside of being a great representative of the NES/SNES Konami rep.

05. Banjo & Kazooie. - Just because.

 

[Deleted member]

How come nobody has mentioned Hakamo-o or Kommo-o as possible pokemon gen VII reps? We've never had a playable dragon type pokemon unless you count Mega Charizard X who is no longer in the game anyway. The dragon fighting dual typing is also a perfect fit for smash imo.

I've mentioned Totem Hakamo-o before as a bit of a joke based on this....




But in all seriousness, Hakamo-o and Kommo-o are very likely to be overlooked.

 

[Slavic]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

NINTENDO​

1) K. Rool: I've actually never played a Donkey Kong game outside of the arcade classic title, but his prominence as a villain for Donkey Kong hasn't really been matched, and seems like the biggest representative who's been missed in the past games. He may not appeal much to me, but the game will never feel Ultimate for me if he's not included.

2) Bandana [Waddle] Dee: The cast of Kirby characters we have in Smash is pretty well encompassing, especially since D3 and MK are both ally and enemy in various games, but with the frequency of his appearances including playable, an Ultimate Smash feels like it should contain the fourth member of the quartet.

those first two are my non-biased choices for what would make the game feel Ultimate to me, the full, unfiltered bias goes below.

3) Raichu: With Pichu and Pikachu both in the game, the impossibility and disinterest in playable Raichu has faded away for me. Whereas Pichu can't control his power, Raichu abuses it, and seeing the stronger, slower Raichu bullying his pre-evos would be great, and just having the first two without the third doesn't feel very ultimate.

4) Tingle: The only non-Link character to have his own spinoff games, Tingle's a recurring freak in Zelda that I adore. I pine for his inclusion, and would be overjoyed with his inclusion.

5) Tiki: One of the most important and recurring characters in Fire Emblem's incongruous lore, Tiki has had plenty of interpretations of her powers as a Manekete to work with. Her connection with Marth and relevance to the series feel like an ultimate choice for FE. Bonus points for Awakening Tiki over child.

6) Sami: There aren't many games I played with friends as a kid, but Advance Wars was one of the best. It has kind of fallen to the wayside, but Sami (or Andy but I'm not a fan) provides a rep for a great game and a brilliantly unique playstyle. Stage control to the most literal level.

7) Elma: XCX may not be my favorite game in the series, but it does mark an important part of the Wii U's brief life. Plus, Elma's dual swords and dual guns lead to some great potential for combos and fluid gameplay.

8) Malos: Xenoblade games tend to have positive villains overall, and while I'd take any of Chronicles' villains over Malos, he certainly fits the bill, interests me as a character more so than Rex, and having two Monados clash in Smash Bros. would be exciting.

9) Ghetsis: One of if not the coolest Pokemon villainous leaders, Ghetsis not only has some terrifying Pokemon he could bring into battle but has access to his wicked-looking staff and the Shadow Triad to add some combat ability to a type of character that normally lacks it.

10) Dark Samus: Metroid already got a rep this game but I would be psyched for a fourth unique choice from the franchise. Echo or not, I'll support Dark Samus and the inclusion would really make the game feel ultimate to me.

THIRD PARTY​

1) Banjo & Kazooie: B&K were such powerhouses on the 64, plus have already interacted with a member of the cast. It's hard to think of any third parties that would make the word 'Ultimate' work more than this duo.

2) Rayman: Rayman and especially the Rabbids have become very big for Nintendo, and Rayman's inclusion for Ultimate feels almost mandatory.

3) Simon Belmont: Leaks or no leaks, with Snake and Bomberman both in the game, Simon has to make an appearance. Castlevania was such a huge deal, and as one of the faces of the series Simon feels like he belongs.

4) Aiai?: I know I don't have to do all five third parties, and honestly I'm not that opinionated on them, but I've come this far so I might as well finish it out. I've played countless hours of Super Monkey Ball, and the game provides plentiful references (mostly in the party games) to build a fun set around Aiai or any of the other monkeys.

5) KOS-MOS: This choice will always be a bit ridiculous but my bias gives me never ending desire for Xeno reps, and KOS-MOS would be a very fun choice. How much more ultimate can you get than playing as Mary Magdalene's robotic corpse?

 

[Whababa]

This smash is about the hand growing up to a much older age and taking ALL of his Toys for one more time. It's a quintilogy. Any newcomers we get are toys he wanted in the past but could never have until he was an adult.

 

[Ze Diglett]

This smash is about the hand growing up to a much older age and taking ALL of his Toys for one more time. It's a quintilogy. Any newcomers we get are toys he wanted in the past but could never have until he was an adult.

Would his parents not let him get the Ridley toy because it was...
too big?

 

[CodakTheWarrior]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

Honestly, if they were to add both K. Rool and Geno to the base roster, it would Ben perfect in my eyes. Those two are the only characters other than Ridley that have reached a sort of 'legendary' status, so to have all three in would really make this the ultimate smash roster.

 

[Whababa]

Would his parents not let him get the Ridley toy because it was...
too big?

Yes, and waluigi was always too expensive even now...

 

[Zerp]

This smash is about the hand growing up to a much older age and taking ALL of his Toys for one more time. It's a quintilogy. Any newcomers we get are toys he wanted in the past but could never have until he was an adult.

So... does that mean the newcomers will be characters that don't have lots of merchandise then? Ones he'd/she'd probably have to commission someone to make toys of, since they were unable to get toys of this character earlier?



Dark Matter confirmed.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

When I look at Leo vs Plup, I saw that Bayonetta actually has 4 jumps in total. 1 Normal Jump and 3 Double Jumps. You can see the circle, meaning that she double jumps.

ZeRo clip this, here is his analysis...

This is actually pretty busted..

 

[RetroMetalSonic]

I have a question for everyone. I applaud the team adding some fun and interesting costumes and not only that, but also bringing back Young and Adult Ike.

What 10 alternate outfits do you want to see?

For me, my costume wishlist would be:

Mario's Shinesprite shirt and shades from Super Mario Sunshine
Something for Peach... I don't know, maybe one of her outfits from Odyssey?
Dry Bowser
Meowser
Dark Meta Knight
PED Suit (Samus)
Shadow Mewtwo
Louie (Olimar)
Octoling (Inkling)
Classic Ridley, AKA Brawl Ridley

 

[Roberk]

To be fair, Awakening is significant to the Fire Emblem franchise as it was the game that saved the series. Giving it an extra Echo Fighter isn't a large effort to pay some homage to one of the main characters of the game.


I brought up Drayden or Iris as they are in the exact same spot that you said Hakamo-o/Kommo-o was in for relevance: An important encounter prior to meeting the legendary pokemon of the game and defeating the evil team. The totem pokemon are of equal significance to Hakamo-o/Kommo-o. Compared to the three Pokemon I mentioned:
Decidueye:

• Starter Pokemon (Sakurai may have gotten it's art early)
• Only new playable fighter in Pokken Tournament DX (The rest were from the arcade version)
• Unique Z-Move in Sun/Moon (meaning Sakurai would have known of this earlier)
• Unique Archer/Ghost Moveset
• Some merchandising from Pokemon Company
  • Prominence in TCG

Mimikyu:

• Prominent encounter in game
• One of Team Rocket's Alola Team Members - Prominent in Anime
• Has it's own song made by the Pokemon Company
• Unique Z-Move in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon
• Merchandising from the Pokemon Company
  • Prominence in TCG
• Unique Ghost/Fairy/Copy of Pikachu Moveset

Lycanroc:

• Had two forms in Sun/Moon, had another form added in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon
• Ash's Ace Pokemon in the anime, like Pikachu, Charizard, and Greninja
• Unique Z-Move in Ultra Sun/Ultra Move
• Merchandising from Pokemon Company
  • Prominence in TCG
• Unique Rock-Type/Quadruped Moveset

Kommo-o/Hakamo-o:

• Psuedo-Legendary (means little - see Metagross)
• Prominent encounter in game
• Unique Z-Move in Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon
• No significant appearance in anime
• 1 item of merchandise shared between entire evolutionary line
• Offers little unique not already covered by Charizard (Dragon) or other physical fighters (Captain Falcon, Mario, etc.)

As you can see, it's points of prominence are either shared or out-staged by other more prominent candidates. Regardless, I think Gen 7 is going to get skipped like Gen 5 and we'll see a Gen 8 rep as DLC.

While Chrom would be pretty low effort since he already has an HD model, I just think that Awakening has gotten its fair share of representation and then some already. In and out of Smash.

 

[MysticKnives]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

Nintendo:

1. Lip
2. Primarina
3. Dixie
4. K. Rool
5. Twintelle
6. Isaac
7. Bandana Dee
8. Ashley
9. Spring Man
10. Dr. Coyle


Third Party:

1. Chun Li
2. Crash Bandicoot
3. Edward Falcon
4. Banjo & Kazooie
5. Rayman

 

[Darkraid]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

Will also be counting the deconfirm characters in this list.

1st party:
King K Rool
Waluigi
Impa
Decidueye
Spring-Man
Captain Toad
Dixie
Bandana Dee
Chibi-Robo
Rex

3rd Party:
Crash
Phoenix Wright
Shovel Knight
Simon
Bomerman

 

[SquashiniKun]

So, this game is called; "Super Smash Bros Ultimate"

Now, what would define Ultimate for you?
I'll give some rules for this game.

You are to add up to "10" Nintendo characters/first n' seond party characters.
And you can have up to "5" 3rd parties.

Now, it's to personalize what would for "you" make the Smash from where it currently is, to the "Ultimate".
Which characters are left, who are realizable still that is.

I'll write mine, but in the mean time, I'd love to hear from your perspectives.
Try to reason why they'd be a good fit to make it your ultimate.

1st/2nd Party:
1. Bandana Dee
2. Mimikyu
3. Isabelle
4. Elma
5. Rex and Pyra
6. Paper Mario
7. Spring Man
8. Tibby/Rhythm Heaven Rep
9. Ayumi Tachibana
10. Daitoryo

3rd Party:
1. Sora
2. Arle Nadja
3. Joker
4. Yuni (From DDR)
5. Rayman

 

[YoshiandToad]

I have a question for everyone. I applaud the team adding some fun and interesting costumes and not only that, but also bringing back Young and Adult Ike.

What 10 alternate outfits do you want to see?

1. Phantom Ganondorf
2. Young Link with the following Masks: Keaton, Mask of Truth, Troupe Leader, Great Fairy, Mask of Scents (Pigma puns), Garo, and Komaro
3. Shadow Mewtwo from Pokken
4. Sporty Peach
5. Wedding Bowser
6. Ms Pac-Man
7. Justin Bailey Zero Suit Samus
8. Pseudo-Palutena
9. Yarn Yoshi
10. Old Snake

What characters do you want to see get a returning outfit from previous Smash games (see Ike)?

Melee Fox
Melee Falco
Brawl Wolf
OoT (64, Melee) Link



And in Smash 7, they will add every character that was included in the initial round table discussion with the conceptual staff.

And Smash 8 will add every character that has a request from fans.

10 alt outfits?

1. Wedding Peach
2. Wedding Bowser
3. Shadow Mario
4. Mr. L
5. Outset Island Toon Link
6. Hyrule Warriors Link
7. Hyrule Warriors Zelda
8. Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf
9. Ash-Greninja
10. Masked Dedede(not just for a Final Smash)

Returning outfits?

1. Twilight Princess Zelda
2. Twilight Princess Ganondorf
3. Ocarina of Time Link

...actually most my requests are just Zelda here.