Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Chandeelure]

I've got it.

Banjo-Kazooie as an echo for Duck Hunt.

That would make no sense.

 

[?????????????]

Oh dear, that's gonna go well...

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

...If they actually did that, I'd be livid.

 

[HyruleHero]

So after a look at the website I can see the reveal of 5 new characters from the franchises they already have:

1: Donkey Kong
- Either King K. Rool or Dixie Kong

2: Pokémon
- Gen 7 rep or Gen 8

3: Fire Emblem
- New Fire Emblem character (either from echoes as an echo character (lol) or from the new game)

4: Sonic
- I see this as the most unlikely but we could see shadow appear but he'll probably return as an assist trophy.

5: Xenoblade
- I expect Rex and Pyra probably similar attack mechanic as Rosalina and Luma just with two characters together like the ice climbers.

Now from here i could see new characters appear from whole new franchises, this includes rhythm heaven (although I think he would be a stupid character), Kingdom Hearts (Sora), Banjo & Kazooie, Crash Bandicoot and Simon of the Belmont house from Castlevania.

 

[lltacx]

https://youtu.be/7oXB6ELs7gc

Zelda looks good

 

[Θνεrτιmε]

It could be possible that the advent for the theoretical unique move sets for characters like Daisy were born from the need for the characters to be special in some way in order to be included in the game, as a form of rationalizing their beliefs as to why the character should be included in smash, then slowly transitioned into becoming a more proactive desire.

With the inclusion of echoes (by name and therefore by perception) those rationalizations become much less important because they’re unnecessary.

I’m all for Shadow joining in, I’m a huge Sonic fan. Do I believe he’s unique enough to be his own character? 100% yes. Chaos Blast, Chaos Spear, Chaos Control, and Chaos Rift are calling my name, but if he were to come in as a Sonic Echo character I wouldn’t be dissatisfied.

 

[Will]

3: Fire Emblem
- New Fire Emblem character (either from echoes as an echo character (lol) or from the new game)

please god no i can't handle how bloated this series is anymore

 

[Radical Bones]

On the topic of the 'mural not having enough space' - you could honestly move over every character like 4/5 pixels closer and sacrifice none of the beautiful quality for a crap tonne of space. That mural is far from full.

 

[N3ON]

I've got it.

Banjo-Kazooie as an echo for Duck Hunt.

Maybe if he wasn't getting in as a unique character.

 

[?????????????]

please god no i can't handle how bloated this series is anymore

I legitimately would be totally down for 2 or 3 more Fire Emblem characters.

 

[Chandeelure]

On the topic of the 'mural not having enough space' - you could honestly move over every character like 4/5 pixels closer and sacrifice none of the beautiful quality for a crap tonne of space. That mural is far from full.

People were discussing that?

They already added Daisy and Ridley to the mural, moving some characters.

 

[N3ON]

I would be down for FE DLC since then I'm not obliged to own it, and people who want it can buy it lol.

But idc at this point. With great help from the social thread FE broke me and now I'll just accept what it throws my way.

 

[GmailDotCom]

I've got it.

Banjo-Kazooie as an echo for Duck Hunt.

That would make no sense.

lmaooooooooooo, this ***** smh

 

[cmbsfm]

Have they revealed every assist trophy already?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly the only way to top this is by adding goddamn Goku at this point. 65 characters minimum with everyone back. Even if the only characters left are Rex, Banjo Kazooie and more characters I loathe, I'm game

 

[?????????????]

I would be down for FE DLC since then I'm not obliged to own it, and people who want it can buy it lol.

If we follow the "Corrin" method of adding characters, Edelgard from the new game looks interesting. She appears to be one of the main characters, AND she's primarily an axe wielder!

 

[Gunla]

I always will want more FE characters, hehe.

Theoretically, card's in the field for Celica to make it in as Lyn appears to be relegated to AT status yet again imo. Helps that she's also fairly popular within the microcosm of the series. It might be a slight stretch, but I could see her calling accord with Robin, replacing limited use of special moves for slightly stronger ones that actually damage her (as that's how magic works in Echoes/Gaiden).

If we follow the "Corrin" method of adding characters, Edelgard from the new game looks interesting. She appears to be one of the main characters, AND she's primarily an axe wielder!

Wouldn't be opposed to her appearing, but some part of me would still want Hector above that.

 

[HyruleHero]

please god no i can't handle how bloated this series is anymore

its not that bad there is only 6 character, which is now the same as the Zelda series, this shouldn't be the case as Fire Emblem does have more characters to choose from that aren't just alts for link (don't get me wrong I want more Zelda reps its just FE has more protagonists whereas Zelda always has the same protagonist.

I always will want more FE characters, hehe.

Theoretically, card's in the field for Celica to make it in as Lyn appears to be relegated to AT status yet again imo. Helps that she's also fairly popular within the microcosm of the series. It might be a slight stretch, but I could see her calling accord with Robin, replacing limited use of special moves for slightly stronger ones that actually damage her (as that's how magic works in Echoes/Gaiden).


Wouldn't be opposed to her appearing, but some part of me would still want Hector above that.

good idea, now that Pichu is back damaging yourself from attacking is a thing, I wouldn't mind a robin clone with spells that act a little different and a non breakable normal sword.

 

[MysticKnives]

Throughout E3, Nintendo was emphasizing "original 12 original 12 original 12"

Luigi and Jigglypuff aren't on the cover art...

I don't think Falcon is on the box art either. But my boy Ness made it to the box art. The Original Starting 8 are all there, and Ness is the only secret character from 64 on it.

 

[Jetsurge]

Zelda's potential may be questionable right now, since I do recall some Nintendo Treehouse footage that had her getting beaten up by Ike.

The treehouse players suck at playing the game.

So after a look at the website I can see the reveal of 5 new characters from the franchises they already have:

1: Donkey Kong
- Either King K. Rool or Dixie Kong

2: Pokémon
- Gen 7 rep or Gen 8

3: Fire Emblem
- New Fire Emblem character (either from echoes as an echo character (lol) or from the new game)

4: Sonic
- I see this as the most unlikely but we could see shadow appear but he'll probably return as an assist trophy.

5: Xenoblade
- I expect Rex and Pyra probably similar attack mechanic as Rosalina and Luma just with two characters together like the ice climbers.

Now from here i could see new characters appear from whole new franchises, this includes rhythm heaven (although I think he would be a stupid character), Kingdom Hearts (Sora), Banjo & Kazooie, Crash Bandicoot and Simon of the Belmont house from Castlevania.

I don't think Pokemon and FE will get any newcomers and Xenoblade will get Elma if there's anybody.

 

[splat]

I always will want more FE characters, hehe.

How would you feel about Alfonse or Sharena?

I’d be kind of down for them, it also might be a good way to introduce people to Nintendo’s fairly new mobile endeavours.

 

[Jetsurge]

This kind of unrelated to Smash but on IGN's footage of the new Sonic racing game Tails passed Shadow then said "Who's your Daddy, Shadow". WTF.

 

[Idon]

Man, I hope that the game defaults to whatever skin you chose last. Small QoL that makes me insta-locking a color scheme I really like easier rather than having to mash Y 4 times to get to it.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Turns out Little Mac will become more powerful the more damage he takes. Maybe this means Spring Man is an echo fighter

 

[Opossum]

How would you feel about Alfonse or Sharena?

I’d be kind of down for them, it also might be a good way to introduce people to Nintendo’s fairly new mobile endeavours.

The issue with Alfonse is that he has far less that makes him stand out than even Chrom did. His Fólkvangr doesn't have anything special with it to let him stand out and his skillset is nothing noteworthy.

That being said he's my favorite of the Heroes OCs so I wouldn't be opposed to him being an Assist or something.

 

[MysticKnives]

This kind of unrelated to Smash but on IGN's footage of the new Sonic racing game Tails passed Shadow then said "Who's your Daddy, Shadow". WTF.

Lol. Tails going all in.

 

[BlondeLombax]

So I've been looking at the website for, like, the tenth time this week, and I found this on Pikachu's page.

Most likely evidence for a new item, but I don't know exactly which it could be. Has anyone else seen it, and are there other images like it? We can manage an hour(s)-long analysis before GameXplain if we coordinate.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

So I've been looking at the website for, like, the tenth time this week, and I found this on Pikachu's page.

Most likely evidence for a new item, but I don't know exactly which it could be. Has anyone else seen it, and are there other images like it? We can manage an hour(s)-long analysis before GameXplain if we coordinate.

I could be the Gold Flower from the Mario series. Similar to the Metal Box, but, well, gold instead of silver.

 

[Jetsurge]

Turns out Little Mac will become more powerful the more damage he takes. Maybe this means Spring Man is an echo fighter

Nah he needs stretchy arms

I could be the Gold Flower from the Mario series. Similar to the Metal Box, but, well, gold instead of silver.

Maybe it's exclusive to coin battle

 

[RustyRemains]

So I've been looking at the website for, like, the tenth time this week, and I found this on Pikachu's page.

Most likely evidence for a new item, but I don't know exactly which it could be. Has anyone else seen it, and are there other images like it? We can manage an hour(s)-long analysis before GameXplain if we coordinate.

That's obviously Pikachus lightning armour from the anime episode where he and Swellow fight Solrock and Lunatone

 

[Blargg888]

That's obviously Pikachus lightning armour from the anime episode where he and Swellow fight Solrock and Lunatone

That would be awesome if it was real. Hold down thunder for a long enough time and after taking 30ish damage you'll enter an armored state where you're more powerful and have super armor for 15 seconds. Or something like that. Too bad that'll never happen.
I'm glad somebody else remembers that episode.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Real talk about echo fighters: I don't expect that many, and I think they'll just stick with relevant popular requests.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

https://youtu.be/7oXB6ELs7gc

Zelda looks good

Din's Fire doesn't leave her helpless and lets her cover her recoveries.

It only took 18 years.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Okay. So I just watched the invitational match between Ridley and Bayonetta, and I think there’s a few things people need to realize before attacking Bayonetta.

1. Ridley is a new character that the player had no prior experience with.

2. It’s obvious that whoever was playing Bayonetta mains her, or atleast has extensive experience with her.

3. Bayonetta’s gimmick is being heavily combo based. She’s that way in her own game, and I’m sure Sakurai wants to stick true to that. He already took away her nudity and foul language (All for good reason of course.)

I’m not saying Bayonetta isn’t OP, cheap, or doesn’t have insane hit boxes. HOWEVER, I’m also not saying she needs to be nerfed to the point of a punching bag. I don’t see anyone asking for nerfs for other high tier characters like Sheik. It’s always Bayonetta or Cloud.

Personally, I don’t believe in tier list. I think anyone can defeat any other character so long as they’re a master of whoever their main is. I’ve beaten plenty of Cloud and Bayonetta mains with character as “low” as Game & Watch. It’s not impossible.

 

[Onua]

Medusa as an echo of Palutena
>Idle is slower and instead of a hair flip she rubs her chin like in one of her dialogue boxes in KIU
> Bair lacks intangibility but makes up for it by being basically like ganons. Same animation but she uses her monster arm(kinda like doing a backhand without the shield)
> Dash Attack lacks intangibility but is much stronger than Palutenas, has the same animation but her monster arm kinda increases in size during the attack
> Upsmash and upair have a dark purple affect to it. Specials also have this "dark" effect to it despite not being different.
> Taunts are obviously different.
> Final smash is her medusa stare where she reveals her monster face. Idk what it would be but it would probs just copy the stats of some other FS like Dark Pits does
> Wings are now black instead of white
> Auto reticle shoots out monoeyes but works exactly the same
> Explosive flame is purple fire

So overall she has no real changes outside of Bair and DA (I dont have enough info on specials to change those tbh) so it fits in with echos being very very very slightly different from the original. She shares a similar if not almost exact frame to palutena and ALSO uses a staff. While at first glance the lack of a shield may hurt her it really dosent considering Palutenas animations work even if a shield isnt there since medusa does have a monster hand. She also can be seen as "palutenas dark corrupted sister" making her similar to dark pit.

 

[cmbsfm]

Anyone else feel like Doom Guy would be an awesome choice? Since we can’t have Master Chief, you might as well have the pioneer of FPS. Don’t think it’ll ever happen, but if we ever get a western third party I think he’d be the perfect choice due to how much of a pioneer Doom was.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Anyone else feel like Doom Guy would be an awesome choice? Since we can’t have Master Chief, you might as well have the pioneer of FPS. Don’t think it’ll ever happen, but if we ever get a western third party I think he’d be the perfect choice due to how much of a pioneer Doom was.

Uh, what do you mean by "can't have Master Chief". There's nothing to suggest he's out of the running at this time.

Not that I consider him likely(Steve? I consider the most likely Microsoft rep) by some big degree or anything, but that doesn't mean he's been "impossible". The thing about 3rd parties like this is they're only impossible if an actual statement makes it clear they can't happen. Of course, being skeptical/not thinking they'll happen is reasonable too.

 

[HyruleHero]

Anyone else feel like Doom Guy would be an awesome choice? Since we can’t have Master Chief, you might as well have the pioneer of FPS. Don’t think it’ll ever happen, but if we ever get a western third party I think he’d be the perfect choice due to how much of a pioneer Doom was.

I think snake is going to be the only gunner we're going to get (minus Samus and Mii but they don't really count). I think Nintendo would sooner take Skyrim dude before Doom guy in smash.

Uh, what do you mean by "can't have Master Chief". There's nothing to suggest he's out of the running at this time.

Not that I consider him likely(Steve? I consider the most likely Microsoft rep) by some big degree or anything, but that doesn't mean he's been "impossible". The thing about 3rd parties like this is they're only impossible if an actual statement makes it clear they can't happen. Of course, being skeptical/not thinking they'll happen is reasonable too.

What about Banjo and Kazooie, their a much more likely Microsoft rep aren't they?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Real talk about echo fighters: I don't expect that many, and I think they'll just stick with relevant popular requests.

I expect as many Echo Fighters as there are newcomers, if not more. The ease of development and potential to add some fan favorite characters without having to divert full attention to them makes Echo Fighters perfect logistical additions.

Also, I know we've talked about Chrom as an Echo Fighter for Ike, but what about Celica as an Echo Fighter for Robin? They could remove the durability mechanic and make her regular attacks stronger than the Bronze Sword but weaker then the Levin Sword. Instead of durability for magic she gains small percentage from using magic attacks (her specials) and in return they're slightly stronger than Robin's (maybe 1.15x or 1.2x more powerful). Neutral-B is changed from the electric-based Thoron to the light-based Seraphim, Side-B becomes Thunder if they decide to change it, Up-B becomes Celica's Gale, and Down-B becomes Ragnorak (explosions around foes, does good damage and is a kill move). I could see it being an effective way to add her into the game and please her many fans.

 

[BlondeLombax]

So I've decided to look at all the character pages, and I found some interesting tidbits that make the game look just a wee bit juicier. I've put them into tabs so they don't take up the entire screen: these images are huge.

Spoiler: Banana peels now seem to take the shape of full bananas before use (what a waste of perfectly good fruit).

Spoiler: Kirby seems to have his classic cheek blush at certain points

Spoiler: Kirby is shown to possibly be breathing ice, meaning that custom moves may be coming back

Spoiler: Captain Falcon's Blood Falcon alt has 'Hell Hawk' stitched on the back, not 'blood hawk' (this is gonna be what gives the game a T-rating)

Spoiler: Young Link's cap can be seen coming slightly off of his head, which may just be a minor detail

Spoiler: Mega Man's eyes flicker with static when he gets hit

Spoiler: You can actually see the strings Little Mac bites onto during his side taunt

These are all the little things I could scrounge up from the site, but if you found anything, share it with the community. We're all in this together, all the way 'til the six months of waiting are up.

 

[Luminario]

Medusa as an echo of Palutena
>Idle is slower and instead of a hair flip she rubs her chin like in one of her dialogue boxes in KIU
> Bair lacks intangibility but makes up for it by being basically like ganons. Same animation but she uses her monster arm(kinda like doing a backhand without the shield)
> Dash Attack lacks intangibility but is much stronger than Palutenas, has the same animation but her monster arm kinda increases in size during the attack
> Upsmash and upair have a dark purple affect to it. Specials also have this "dark" effect to it despite not being different.
> Taunts are obviously different.
> Final smash is her medusa stare where she reveals her monster face. Idk what it would be but it would probs just copy the stats of some other FS like Dark Pits does
> Wings are now black instead of white
> Auto reticle shoots out monoeyes but works exactly the same
> Explosive flame is purple fire

So overall she has no real changes outside of Bair and DA (I dont have enough info on specials to change those tbh) so it fits in with echos being very very very slightly different from the original. She shares a similar if not almost exact frame to palutena and ALSO uses a staff. While at first glance the lack of a shield may hurt her it really dosent considering Palutenas animations work even if a shield isnt there since medusa does have a monster hand. She also can be seen as "palutenas dark corrupted sister" making her similar to dark pit.

Her Final Smash could be a reskinned ZSS one where she assumes her full size behind the stage with her single eye look and blasts the stage with a lazer. Autoreticle could also shoot out a single blast that stuns instead, referencing her petrity stare.