I watched a little bit of Treehouse before Xenoblade 2 stuff, and god its hard to watch this. I litterly saw them play a match you can easily set up in Smash Wii U (Ike and Pit on Skyworld). I have no idea why they are showing this off so much at Treehouse. At least when they did 3DS they showed off other modes. Here its just more Smash matches. I want to like this game but its too depressing.
I don't see what you're talking about here. I just went to /v/ and the first thread was one about Ridley in Smash. I also counted 20 other threads on /v/ right now themed around Smash. Skimming the first thread, I also found basically no confusion over whether or not the game is a port. The only post I saw relating to that topic was one anon who said the game was a port, then 7 others who replied saying "no it isn't".
I understand being upset about the low number of newcomers relative to other Smash games, I'm also concerned with the amount of content and how much longevity is going to be gotten out of a roster that's 85% vets. However, most of this game's reception has been by and large positive.
Yeah, that was the sticky thread.
You also have to consider that Smash use to dominate the discussion. Now it has a thread or two and a few of them die on page 7 or 8. You get some, but its far fewer in number and I expect it will dwindle after E3. The excitement wont be there for this one.
I was honestly bummed when he told us not to expect newcomers. I would have rather gotten more newcomers than have everyone come back(Tbh I only dislike Pichu and Young link)
Idk if we already saw 90% of the game that is a bit much. I am willing to bet that this game will have at least 10 newcomers(Echo included). But you're right, this seems more like a collection rather than a new game.
When people wanted all the characters back, it was always with the preface that we get a lot of other stuff too. Remember that Smash would add 12 characters and a ton of new stages (think Brawl had 30 new ones, Smash 4 had 50+ in total). Here, we're trading new content for old. It sounds cool in theory but I don't think it will work in practice. What dominated the discussion was new stuff. Even now, its new characters that most people are talking about, but with fewer characters, there's less to talk about. I don't think this will translate into excitement. My hope is that the inevitable Smash Direct is focused on the new stuff and they just wanted to start with the old stuff. Maybe they can make this game like Splatoon and have it keep updating (which this game lends itself to very well). I feel like that's the only thing that can save it.
Oh dear... how will Nintendo and Sakurai top Smash Ultimate in the next Smash game? I mean, Smash 5's selling point is that it's the "ultimate Smash experience" with all characters and presumably all stages in Smash history.
Maybe Smash 6 will be a reboot? What could be Smash 6's selling point?
You have to have a reboot. I don't see another way. Even if you try and cut, you'll still end up with a 50-60 character roster at the end of it.
There are two things I think Smash has to do. First, it can't be beholden to its past. You have to be willing to axe things that aren't relevant and change characters how they need to be changed. Feel free to remix characters. Second, you have to refocuse the game. Smash Bros "hey all the characters are back" is what happens when you go down the path of characters and not Nintendo. The later keeps a certain focus and permeates into other elements of the game like the stages, items and even the Adventure Mode. Smash has been focusing on "characters" but you can only go so far with that. Smash Wii U was focused on "unique" characters as well as having big names. Smash Bros "hey all the characters are back" is focused on just that. With nowhere else to go, it focuses on ALL the characters.
The way I'd handle it is this: look at what Nintendo has released in the last 10 years. These are you "key" series. Anything not in there isn't key. Basically, if someone told you to make a Nintendo All-Star game today, with no knowledge of Smash Bros's history, what would you come up with. That's the approach the series needs after this Smash Bros.