Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[SvartWolf]

I'd probably add a Blizzard character, I think from either Starcraft (Kerrigan) or Warcraft (Thrall, Uther). Blizzard has a pretty widespread influence due to the absolutely massive size of World of Warcraft, as well as Starcraft being one of the major esports worldwide for a long time. That's all before we even mention the new competitive juggernaut of Overwatch. If we're really reaching for some 3rd party character who has never been on a Nintendo console, I think Blizzard is a very interesting place to look.

I don't want to be that guy, but Kerrigan, zeratul AND Raynor have been on Nintendo sistems

 

[BluePikmin11]

I want to do an avatar bet, I am betting that Tom Nook will be in, and if he is in, the betters will have to have this as their avatar:

Spoiler: Avatar

Anyone willing to bet against me? You guys can vote on what I should have as an avatar if I lose.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Didnt the Vergeben leak say something about ridely having a "Presence" at e3 besides being in the game... could be a prop of some kind.

He claims one of his sources did, but also stated it was a source he never met before and doesn't know the credibility of, so he's not confident in it as he with his other Smash sources. Assuming it's a fake source but the rest are legit, it would mean Ridley is still in Smash, he just might not necessarily be revealed at E3.

Well, I still think that Vergeben is fake. I don't think that any Konami character is getting in because of what happened with Hideo Kojima. I also highly doubt that there will be any Minecraft content because it is owned by Microsoft.

I pointed this out before, the Kojima incident wouldn't prevent Snake or any other Konami character from making it in. Shortly before Smash 4's release, right after the Kojima **** went down and tensions would be at their highest, in an interview he stated he wanted to see Snake in Smash 4 when asked about it, and asked if Sakurai was watching if he could bring back Snake. So even if Sakurai would possibly spite Konami and refuse to work with them, that's not going to be the case when he still has his friend's blessing to include his character in Smash.

 

[---]

Are there seriously still

''IT'S A PORT GUYS!" people?

Yikes.

Would it be a bad thing if it was a port? No cuts and more content doesn't sound bad IMO.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Would it be a bad thing if it was a port? No cuts and more content doesn't sound bad IMO.

If it was a port, gameplay and the fact that it’s a port wouldn’t be hidden (like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and other Wii U/3DS ports)

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I don't want to be that guy, but Kerrigan, zeratul AND Raynor have been on Nintendo sistems

Oh yeah you right. Forgot about Starcraft 64. Well Warcraft it is, then

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Would it be a bad thing if it was a port? No cuts and more content doesn't sound bad IMO.

It's not that it'd be a bad thing.

It's just very obviously not a port. And it's been obvious from the get go with the new logo, the way Nintendo is handling the marketing for it, etc, etc.

It's that people are letting pessimistic nature I'm assuming make them think this is a port and not a whole new game.

 

[---]

If it was a port, gameplay and the fact that it’s a port wouldn’t be hidden (like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and other Wii U/3DS ports)

That's not what I was asking or arguing...

 

[Gameboi834]

A good pick, but Sam & Max had some Wii games, so disqualified.

OOF. Was not aware of that haha

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Would it be a bad thing if it was a port? No cuts and more content doesn't sound bad IMO.

It would be bad if it was a port because they've been promoting the game as a new installment since the teaser, and coming out at E3 and saying it's a port would be one of the worst business moves ever.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say making it a port after advertising it the way they did is outright disrespectful to the consumer.

 

[Ridleyridster]

For the 3rd Party character that hasn't been on any Nintendo systems, I'd go with the Little Sister from Bioshock (Would have said Big Daddy, but they've been in that other fighting game). Maybe Elizabeth from Bioshock: Infinite. Both I think would have fun movesets.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

That's not what I was asking or arguing...

I know...I’m just answering the part on if a port would be bad. Overall I’m saying that it would be bad to not flat out say it’s a port (not as bad as the Ridley stuff for Smash 4), not like MK8 Deluxe or Splatoon 2 where they atleast showed gameplay and didn’t confirm/deny it being new or a port (Smash Switch is practically a new game)

 

[SwagGuy99]

I'm going to post my predictions for the game before E3 because I have a feeling that they will change a lot after it happens.

Link and Zelda get new movesets.

We will have at least 3 cut fighters return. The likeliest choices currently seem to be Young Link, Ice Climbers, Wolf, and Snake.

We will have at least 2 new characters for both Mario and Zelda.

We will have a Mario Oddyesy and BotW stage.

We will not get Smash Tour again but we will get Smash Run.

This game will have physics closer to Brawl than Melee but closer to Melee than to Smash 4.

This game will be more detailed graphically with an over all darker feel but not gritty like Brawl.

We will have a lot of third party characters represented through trophies.

The game will be released in September.

This game will have a new gimmick like Final Smashes were in Brawl.

We will get returning Melee stages that didn't already appear in both Melee and Brawl. I'm hoping for Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams and Mushroom Kingdom 2)

And now for the best prediction of all:

75m will not return...











... but Mario Bros. and Pac-Land will.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Permission denied. At least until Tuesday.



You're on the Internet during the wrong time if you want to be avoiding spoilers, chum.

There's no way of knowing what is real/fake until the actual presentation itself. The most I could see mods enforcing as far as "no potential spoilers" is for when the Nintendo Direct itself starts.

I was planning on getting off the moment I heard about legit looking photos surfacing compandre, but I guess that's asking for too much.

 

[Pakky]

Any feasible news?

 

[---]

It's not that it'd be a bad thing.

It's just very obviously not a port. And it's been obvious from the get go with the new logo, the way Nintendo is handling the marketing for it, etc, etc.

It's that people are letting pessimistic nature I'm assuming make them think this is a port and not a whole new game.

Am not really interested in right/wrong internet bragging rights. I'm just curious if people would be disappointed or not.

Personally I love Smash 4 and would like to see further support. The Wii U version is the worst selling in the franchise despite offering the most content, it would be nice to have all of Smash 4's DLC on a physical form of media, plus we were one character short of an even 60 icons on the CSS.

It would be bad if it was a port because they've been promoting the game as a new installment since the teaser, and coming out at E3 and saying it's a port would be one of the worst business moves ever.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say making it a port after advertising it the way they did is outright disrespectful to the consumer.

I think you're mixing up two different arguments, but as for whether or not a port would be a bad business move, keep in mind that no one bought the Wii U.

 

[TheWozny]

*prepares Shield*

I don't want it to be a Port because Sm4sh is my least favorite Smash due to it's weird, gimmicky, and forgettable content, as well as the way in which the games handles itself....

...also it's the first Smash game where I didn't enjoy most of the cast because they're playstyle was boring to me...

...and the single player stuff sucked and online was still garbage...

.........and it used mostly brawl stuff...........

I want a game that's not Smash 4.

And I'm certain we'll get something different.... to what degree, I'm uncertain.

pls no flame

EDIT: For reference, Brawl and Melee are my favorites simply due to how the games feel. Sm4sh was the first Smash that didn't feel very.... Nintendo? It wasn't the third parties, it just felt like more of a fan game that over-exaggerated mots of the contents and movesets rather than make them solid, well brought characters.

 

[Hinata]

We will not get Smash Tour again but we will get Smash Run.

Don't you dare put that curse on us.

EDIT: Read that backwards. Thought you were saying we'd get Smash Tour, not Smash Run.

 

[N3ON]

Port is such a bad descriptor. I believe 90% of the people who believe the game will be a """port""" mean "updated version" instead. A half-step between 4 and something totally new. Port carries the connotation that it's the same thing, maybe with a few new bells and whistles, on another system.

But imagine 4 and this game were on the same system. Use the Capcom fighting-game model as a very loose rubric of iterative releases. I believe people are suggesting something in the vein of 4 being the vanilla version whereas Switch will be something roughly akin to upgrades of games which extensively build on their own framework as they overhaul and refine, but ultimately retain the blueprint of the original creation. Even should they not brand it as such.

It's not really a port, it's just not really an entirely new title either. I don't think there are any perfect 1:1 examples of what is being theorized, which is why it's difficult to explain or envision the genesis, and partially why people reduce the term, to everyone's detriment, to "port".

 

[---]

Port is such a bad descriptor. I believe 90% of the people who believe the game will be a """port""" mean "updated version" instead. A half-step between 4 and something totally new. Port carries the connotation that it's the same thing, maybe with a few new bells and whistles, on another system.

But imagine 4 and this game were on the same system. Use the Capcom fighting-game model as a very loose rubric of iterative releases. I believe people are suggesting something in the vein of 4 being the vanilla version whereas Switch will be something roughly akin to upgrades of games which extensively build on their own framework as they overhaul and refine, but ultimately retain the blueprint of the original creation. Even should they not brand it as such.

It's not really a port, it's just not really an entirely new title either. I don't think there are any perfect 1:1 examples of what is being theorized, which is why it's difficult to explain or envision the genesis, and partially why people reduce the term, to everyone's detriment, to "port".

Splatoon 2 <> Mario Kart 8 Deluxe/Pokken Tournment DX <> Funky Kong

Stretching the term "New" is basically Marketing 101. I think everyone who's posted in this thread thinks it'll be a new game, how "new" the game will be is a different matter.

 

[Deleted member]

Are there seriously still

''IT'S A PORT GUYS!" people?

Yikes.

I said it once and i will say it again:

Sakurai could come in and hold a giant light neon sign that states "Smash Bros for Nintendo Switch is a new game and NOT a port" and some people would STILL believe that is a port

Nevermind the fact that i did an entire rant as to why everything is outright reinforcing the idea that this is not a port.

Aruging with pro-port people is like arguing with a parrot. It repeats the same thing over and over again with no changes, and that inlcudes my favorite argument "WE DON'T KNOW YET1111!!!11111!" which translates to "im not capable of bringing evidence to the table that supports my stance, so i will drag you down to my level of ignorance"

I apologize in advance if i sound a little rude, but that's what happens when you argue with people like this.

But whatever, we have gone back and forth about something that should have been solved back in March 8, and i have nothing else to say.

 

[Pakky]

EA's thing is turning out to be a farce so far.

Correction: Sea of Solitude is kinda cool.

 

[fogbadge]

i honestly dont know who to expect this time i predicted 3 characters the last two times but this time im really not sure

 

[Captain Fun]

Unravel 2 looked pretty neat. Co-op platformers are always nice, but they just don't seem to last.

 

[N3ON]

Splatoon 2 <> Mario Kart 8 Deluxe/Pokken Tournment DX <> Funky Kong

Stretching the term "New" is basically Marketing 101. I think everyone who's posted in this thread thinks it'll be a new game, how "new" the game will be is a different matter.

Exactly, hence my "90%" guesswork. I just question, since I believe "port" to be a misleading term, whether people who say "this won't be a port" mean this won't be a MK8D-style port, or this won't be something that uses the foundation of Smash 4 at all.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Not a mod, but I'm going to remind everyone that this is the Smash Switch thread, not a social thread. I know the EA conference is going on and it's fun to talk about, but this isn't the place for it unless they say something Smash related to at least some degree, even if it's just something happening on a Nintendo console.

 

[IronWarrior94]

i honestly dont know who to expect this time i predicted 3 characters the last two times but this time im really not sure

Agreed. And it doesn't help that out of any potential newcomers we could see, Ridley is the one that's been the most talked about.

 

[Cosmic77]

I want to do an avatar bet, I am betting that Tom Nook will be in, and if he is in, the betters will have to have this as their avatar:

Spoiler: Avatar

Anyone willing to bet against me? You guys can vote on what I should have as an avatar if I lose.

I'll tell ya what. Since we both seem pretty confident in our choices, I'll take the bet.

If Tom Nook is playable, I'll make that my new avatar for a month.
If Mipha or any of the other three Champions are playable, you'll have to change your avatar to that Champion's respective Smash artwork for a month.
If both or neither is in Smash, nothing will happen.

I'm willing to do this till the end of E3 or till the game's official launch. It's your call. Deal?

 

[SuperMasterHand]

Has anyone see/posted this yet ?


EDIT : probably Fake

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Has anyone see/posted this yet ?

Nope

If that's a real video

I knew a cat would slip by the radar what's the translation?

But I smell fake due to no noise in the background (the crowd of E3)

 

[Cosmic77]

Has anyone see/posted this yet ?

HOLY COW!!! THAT'S A HUGE LEAK!!!

(Seriously, regardless of whether or not this is real, at least leak something good.)

 

[Captain Fun]

Has anyone see/posted this yet ?


EDIT : probably Fake

I mean, any 'leak' that doesn't show anything useful is immediately suspect. And I mean more suspect than usual.

 

[Nekoo]

Has anyone see/posted this yet ?


EDIT : probably Fake

100% fake, they forgot to remove the sound that the camera make while it show Mario and Link during the Inkling Trailer, making it very awkward.

 

[Hinata]

Nope

If that's a real video

I knew a cat would slip by the radar what's the translation?

Translation? You mean the logo? It says Super Smash Bros.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Has anyone see/posted this yet ?


EDIT : probably Fake

Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and say fake. If anything, we're going to get leaks from E3 right now that will definitely be in english, just like Smash 4. Making the title appear in Japanese is really just trying too hard.

 

[SuperMasterHand]

Nope

If that's a real video

I knew a cat would slip by the radar what's the translation?

It's just the regular Smash 5 japanese logo, and we ear the same music as the trailer, might be fake

 

[P.Kat]

Alright guys, here's a wild discussion topic.

As SourceGaming pointed out in the past, Sakurai has never said that a third party being on a Nintendo platform was a requirement, only a courtesy. Of course, third parties that have been on Nintendo systems are much more likely than others, but I digress.

Time for a cursed topic. Pick a third party who has never been on a Nintendo system in any capacity. their series as a whole cannot have appeared on a Nintendo platform. Who do you want, who would be the most likely choice, etc.

Kat the Gravity controlling heroine from Gravity Rush.

Honorable Mention also goes to PaRappa the Rapper "Kick! Flip! it's all in your mind" "You think you're big? You think you're big kid? "

Edit: Honorable mention also goes to Tracer of Overwatch.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

It's just the regular Smash 5 japanese logo, and we ear the same music as the trailer, might be fake

oh it would be in English since the E3 is in USA

 

[Hinata]

Gotta admit, though. Even for a fake, the fire effect on that video is clean as hell.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Has anyone see/posted this yet ?


EDIT : probably Fake

The fact that they’re holding up the Joycon Grip to the camera at the start to try to prove that it’s actually on a Switch seems fishy
Also, general thing, but, does a demo Switch actually load the Switch OS or does it go directly to the game?
Also, another thing, if this isn’t a demo, wouldn’t it have the intro at the start, such that the player would have to skip it to get to the title screen, which would still have it be visible for a moment?