Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

When did that happen?

See, I would agree, but I think "King Mickey" from the Kingdom Hearts franchise is arguably a "game character." He just would've "debuted" as a video game character in Kingdom Hearts.

That's all I'm saying. Unlikely? Yes. Ineligible? Maybe not.

It was a clarification on the official SSB Facebook page of what characters should be given votes for.

We don't know his opinion on "technically count as game characters" in cases like King Mickey, so... I wouldn't say they're too likely anyway. But yeah, he's not too clear on "having to originate in a game" either way.

 

[Radical Bones]

I can't believe how bloody close we are getting. Just need to make it through this work week, then I'm away for a long weekend and suddenly it'll be E3.

I am so fricken excited.

 

[KingIceSonic]

You're right, DK is more popular than FE.

Nintendo keeps spamming FE so people think that it is somehow on par with some of Nintendo's most MASSIVE series

I have seen people say that Fire Emblem is more popular than Zelda, after that I was done

 

[PSIguy89]

Someone please enlighten me I know nothing of persona or who joker is. Can some one give me a basic rundown of who he is and why he could be very well chosen? Thank youuu

 

[Pacack]

It was a clarification on the official SSB Facebook page of what characters should be given votes for.

We don't know his opinion on "technically count as game characters" in cases like King Mickey, so... I wouldn't say they're too likely anyway. But yeah, he's not too clear on "having to originate in a game" either way.

Yeah, I'm just being nitpicky.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Okay- true Question since IT IS in the subject of Persona/SMT.
Do you guys believe in #FE representation, whenever it's trophy, AT or even a stage?
If so, do you think this Stage would be the perfect way to get SMT/Persona music?

I expect trophies at best.

But music? Good luck convincing Avex for the rights of the songs. They are a big music company after all.

 

[Jak_spoon]

Honestly, I'm just hoping that at least one of those series will get a new rep. My dream scenario is that we get a newcomer for all three, but I'm keeping my expectations low just in case we get a focus on other newer series like Xenoblade and Animal Crossing.

you mean the series that were already focused on in the last game...

 

[Lyndis_]

Dk isn't as popular as FE, not to say that I don't want another fighter, Dixie and Krool would be awesome.

Huh? DK makes Fire Emblem look like an indie game.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Honestly, I'm just hoping that at least one of those series will get a new rep. My dream scenario is that we get a newcomer for all three, but I'm keeping my expectations low just in case we get a focus on other newer series like Xenoblade and Animal Crossing.

At the very least, I will be genuinely shocked if DK or Zelda doesn't get one. With Zelda, I don't think anyone thought Hyrule Warriors would be anywhere as successful as it has been so I wouldn't be surprised if Impa, Lana, or even Linkle made the cut.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Says the one supportin' Sora and a Hanafuda character.

Better add Dr. Kawashima, Tom Nook, Professor Layton, and Steve

 

[Jak_spoon]

Hey so I wanted to know what you'll thought of this little reference piece I'm working on adding to my prediction list. Its still a work in progress mind you.

Spoiler: References

List of the Top First Party Wii U Games
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Copies Sold
1.--------Mario Kart Wii U------------------------------------2014----------7.68
2.--------New Super Mario Bros. U---------------------------2012----------5.66
3.--------Super Mario 3D World------------------------------2013----------4.99
4.--------Splatoon-------------------------------------------2015----------4.70
5.--------Nintendo Land--------------------------------------2012----------4.63
6.--------Super Mario Maker---------------------------------2015----------3.44
7.--------New Super Luigi U----------------------------------2013----------2.42
8.--------The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker------------2013-----------2.08
9.--------Mario Party 10--------------------------------------2015-----------1.98
10.___----Wii Party U------------------------------------------2013-----------1.87
11.------Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze---------2014-----------1.73
12.-------Yarn Yoshi-------------------------------------------2015-----------1.51
13.-------Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker---------------------2014-----------1.41
14.-------Pokken Tournament--------------------------------2016------------1.37
15.-------The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild-----------2017----------1.33
16.-------Hyrule Warriors-----------------------------------2014----------1.26
17.-------The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess---------2016----------1.23
18.-------Pikmin 3---------------------------------------------2013-----------1.23
19.-------Wii Fit U----------------------------------------------2013----------0.86
20.-------Paper Mario: Color Splash------------------------2016----------0.86
21.-------Bayonetta 2------------------------------------------2014----------0.85
22.-------Xenoblade Chronicles X----------------- ---------2015----- ---- 0.84

List of the Top First Party 3DS Games (After 2012)
Game Year Copies Sold (Million)
1. Pokemon Sun/Moon 2016 14.98
2. Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire 2014 12.74
3. Pokemon: Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon 2017 6.03
4. Tomodachi Life 2013 5.71
5. Luigi's Mansion 2 2013 5.28
6. Legend of Zelda: Link Between Worlds 2013 3.47
7. Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer 2015 3.37
8. Super Mario Maker 2016 2.96
9. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D 2015 2.49
10. Mario Party 3D 2013 2.40
11. Mario & Luigi: Dream Team 2013 2.31
12. Donkey Kong Country Returns 2013 2.01
13. Fire Emblem Fates 2015 1.97
14. Kirby: Triple Deluxe 2014 1.97
15. Yoshi's New Island 2014 1.67
16. Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon 2015 1.40
17. Kirby: Planet Robobot 2016 1.31
18. The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes 2015 1.23
19. Miitopia 2016 1.07
20. Mario Party: Star Rush 2016 0.87
21. Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam 2015 0.84
22. New Style Boutique 2 - Fashion Forward 2015 0.83
23. Rhythm Heaven: The Best+ 2015 0.80

System--------------------------------------------------------Yearr-----Units Sold (Million)
NES Classic_--------------------------------------------------2016---------2.30
SNES Classic_____________------------------------------------2017---------4.00

Nintendo Mobile Games
Game----------------------------------------------------------Yearr___-Downloads (Million)
1.---Pokemon Go---------------------------------------------2016---------500
2 ._-Fire Emblem Heroes_____________------------------------2017----------10
3.---Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp--------------------------2017----------15
4.---Super Mario Run-----------------------------------------2016---------200
5.---Miitomo--------------------------------------------------2016----------10

 

[One winged Devil]

Gee a lot Fire Emblem hate here.

Sorry having the wrong opinion.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Nintendo keeps spamming FE so people think that it is somehow on par with some of Nintendo's most MASSIVE series

I have seen people say that Fire Emblem is more popular than Zelda, after that I was done

I wouldn’t do that far, but Fire Emblem is definitely getting a massive push to become one of their top series (and then followed by , the “ possibly concluded” series...then)

 

[Guybrush20X6]

TMS #FE... Still feels more like a fever dream than something that actually happened.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Gee a lot Fire Emblem hate here.

Sorry having the wrong opinion.

No one was hating Fire Emblem.

It's just a fact that DK is the much bigger series.

I mean you compare overall sales and its not even a contest.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I wouldn’t do that far, but Fire Emblem is definitely getting a massive push to become one of their top series (and then followed by , the “ possibly concluded” series...then)

Why's Marth there twice?

 

[Blargg888]

Huh? DK makes Fire Emblem look like an indie game.

Okay, now that's just a bad comparison altogether.

Regardless of which one is more popular, saying something like that is just dumb.

Someone please enlighten me I know nothing of persona or who joker is. Can some one give me a basic rundown of who he is and why he could be very well chosen? Thank youuu

Joker is the protagonist of the video game Persona 5.
Technically, his canon name is Ren Amamiya, but everybody calls him Joker since it's his codename, and it's recognizable to everyone that has played Persona 5.
He Looks Like This:

He is the leader of a group known as The Phantom Thieves of Heart, and they steal evil people's "Hearts", A.K.A. their desires.

He can summon a being known as a Persona by ripping the mask off his face. Using personas, he can perform various Magical/Elemental and Physical
attacks. His Persona looks like this:

As for why he should/could be in, It's really just cuz' people want him a lot. People might have other reasons, sure, but that's the most common one anyway.

 

[Sonic Poke]

I do think Fire Emblem is really huge today but it will never beat series like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby and Donkey Kong.
It may be on the same level as Animal Crossing, Xenoblade, Pikmin, Star Fox and Metroid though. (I would put the last two on Zelda level if we were in their glory days)
And definitely above Kid Icarus, F-Zero, Earthbound and Punch Out.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

No one was hating Fire Emblem.

It's just a fact that DK is the much bigger series.

I mean you compare overall sales and its not even a contest.

Well it does help that DK is an extension of the Mario series (and nothing tops the Mario series)

Why's Marth there twice?

cause accident (IPad game not strong enough)...also cause he’s the real waifu

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

TMS #FE... Still feels more like a fever dream than something that actually happened.

Now let me remind you of the best song in the game.

Faaaaaiiiiiiiaaaaa Eeeeeeemmmbuuuuuurrrreeeeeeem!

 

[UltimateWario]

I’m focusing all of my energy to cross over into the timeline where Sakurai loves Metroid and DK rather than Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem.

Personally a game full of monkeys and HR Geiger would be more entertaining than one full of shotas.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah, I'm just being nitpicky.

No, it's a fair point. A unique version of him may or may not matter. IMO, I don't think it does myself, but we don't legitimately know how Sakurai views it. King Mickey isn't like regular Mickey Mouse, and has a different view of the world and different abilities. He's a counterpart to Mickey Mouse. A good comparison would be Red and Ash Ketchum. Clearly the same ideal character, but are quite different. Who knows if it means anything. Though to be honest, I'd rather see Epic Mickey playable, with King Mickey appearing related to Sora instead. But that's just me.

 

[Hinata]

Technically, his canon name is Ren Amamiya

**** that, his name is Akira Kurusu, and no one will ever convince me otherwise. NOT EVEN ATLUS.

 

[monadoboy]

I do think Fire Emblem is really huge today but it will never beat series like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby and Donkey Kong.
It may be on the same level as Animal Crossing, Xenoblade, Pikmin, Star Fox and Metroid though. (I would put the last two on Zelda level if we were in their glory days)
And definitely above Kid Icarus, F-Zero, Earthbound and Punch Out.

Heroes alone has brought Nintendo such a big, fat stack of cash that they'd be insane to not to consider Fire Emblem one of their big franchises.

 

[Gameboi834]

So how do you think the next trailer for smash is gonna go down? I imagine they're gonna start by revealing all of the silhouetted characters in an epic fashion.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I’m focusing all of my energy to cross over into the timeline where Sakurai loves Metroid and DK rather than Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem.

Personally a game full of monkeys and HR Geiger would be more entertaining than one full of shotas.

Both > one of them

Now let me remind you of the best song in the game.

Faaaaaiiiiiiiaaaaa Eeeeeeemmmbuuuuuurrrreeeeeeem!

I’m not an anvil
He can see the pingas
Haha she lick me
As on tv

So how do you think the next trailer for smash is gonna go down? I imagine they're gonna start by revealing all of the silhouetted characters in an epic fashion.

I’ve been thinking this aswell, like the teaser was only a piece of the actual trailer, and after everyone is revealed...eveyone starts fighting to the death

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

**** that, his name is Akira Kurusu, and no one will ever convince me otherwise. NOT EVEN ATLUS.

And this argument is exactly why we would go with his consistent, unchangeable title of "Joker".

 

[Hinata]

And this argument is exactly why we would go with his consistent, unchangeable title of "Joker".

You make a fair point.

 

[One winged Devil]

Too many anime sword fighters!

This FE hate needs to stop.

Inb4 "no one hates FE here'

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

You make a fair point.

Not to mention he'd surely make his appearance in his Phantom Thief uniform where he is "Joker" rather than his real world look where he is Ren/Akira/anything you decide to name him.

 

[DGAMER]

On Persona 5, I would just like to say that nobody would see it coming...

Sakurai is known for making strange picks, this would undoubtly be one of them. I could see it, but it is very unlikely. Maybe as DLC.

 

[KingIceSonic]

I do think Fire Emblem is really huge today but it will never beat series like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby and Donkey Kong.
It may be on the same level as Animal Crossing, Xenoblade, Pikmin, Star Fox and Metroid though. (I would put the last two on Zelda level if we were in their glory days)
And definitely above Kid Icarus, F-Zero, Earthbound and Punch Out.

Nintendo is pushing really hard for FE to be big, I think they might be pushing too hard, Just release Fire Emblem Awakening on Switch and Boom, instant success just by doing a port

I'm just thinking about when Metroid Prime 4 comes out, if it is as good as the old ones then Metroid's popularity will skyrocket from just one game

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Too many anime sword fighters!

This FE hate needs to stop.

Inb4 "no one hates FE here'

There isn’t enough anime sword fighters

Two more FE characters are needed in any playable capacity

No one hates FE here...other than the ones that do

 

[MrRoidley]

To me, the biggest Nintendo series are Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Pokémon and Splatoon.
I'd put Fire Emblem right below them, alongside maybe Donkey Kong and Yoshi?
I see Fire Emblem as more popular than Kirby, Pikmin, Star Fox and especially Metroid nowadays

 

[Hinata]

On Persona 5, I would just like to say that nobody would see it coming...

Sakurai is known for making strange picks, this would undoubtly be one of them. I could see it, but it is very unlikely. Maybe as DLC.

*Last Surprise blares in the distance*

This would be one of the ultimate strange picks, but that's why I want it so bad.

 

[monadoboy]

"Joker"

I can see all the casuals thinking Batman's Joker is in Smash when they read/hear about Joker being confirmed lol

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I can see all the casuals thinking Batman's Joker is in Smash when they read/hear about Joker being confirmed lol

Yeah I've thought about the before. Listen up people, I'm only going to say this once. "Joker" is from Persona. "The Joker" is from Batman.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

So Vergeben made another rumor that a certain third party character is returning and Minecraft will be in the game in some way. I think it's either a stage or a Creeper assist trophy.

 

[Khao]

At the very least, I will be genuinely shocked if DK or Zelda doesn't get one. With Zelda, I don't think anyone thought Hyrule Warriors would be anywhere as successful as it has been so I wouldn't be surprised if Impa, Lana, or even Linkle made the cut.

Honestly, as a huge Zelda fan I hope there's no Hyrule Warriors content whatsoever in 5mash, not when it comes to playable characters anyway.

It's not that I dislike HW or anything, it's just that the Zelda series has been stuck with the same 4 characters (counting Toon Link as an updated Young Link) for three games in a row while continuing to release countless games with a ****-ton of characters full of potential. It'd be a bit frustrating if it took a freaking spinoff to finally get something new out of Zelda content. I'd rather get any one-off villain/sidekick/supporting character from any Zelda game before Lana, who I don't even consider to be a part of the series.

 

[StrangeMann]

Honestly, as a huge Zelda fan I hope there's no Hyrule Warriors content whatsoever in 5mash, not when it comes to playable characters anyway.

It's not that I dislike HW or anything, it's just that the Zelda series has been stuck with the same 4 characters (counting Toon Link as an updated Young Link) for three games in a row while continuing to release countless games with a ****-ton of characters full of potential. It'd be a bit frustrating if it took a freaking spinoff to finally get something new out of Zelda content. I'd rather get any one-off villain/sidekick/supporting character from any Zelda game before Lana, who I don't even consider to be a part of the series.

I keep hoping they'll change ganon's design off of the TP one, but I'm not sure if they will