Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Icedragonadam]

Okay so what's going on right now? I'm pretty lost here.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Hold the **** up. Please tell me Awakening isn't getting milked again

Imagine that.

Nintendo going back to the game that kept the franchise from dying.

It's almost as if Fire Emblem owes Awakening it's continued existence or something.

Complaining about Awakening is like the complaining about the original 151 in Pokemon in my opinion.

You can do it, but at least do it and understand why they get more attention than other games/generations.

 

[Pacack]

Okay so what's going on right now? I'm pretty lost here.

I'm debating points in favor of Kamek, others are talking about E3, and several people are speculating about the legitimacy of some rumors going around.

 

[StrangeMann]

I really wish after E3, pic of the day/smash dojo esque updates return so we have something to talk about besides rumors and retreading revealed information. This is probably the most dry period of smash bros discussion in recent memory (pre-release speculation wasn't rampant for melee and 64, brawl and 4 had constant information streams giving information after they were announced). Now we've gotten only minor information to talk about for 3 months between the direct and E3. If the game has been in development since 2016, I wonder why there was no announcement until march if the game releases this year? I hope that E3 dumps a massive amount of information to us.

 

[Zerp]

If Fire Emblem: Reawakening is a actual thing, perhaps this means Chrom will get his chance this time?

 

[T-Hell]

Reading Toad fans a few pages ago. I would definitely be surprised if Captain Toad doesn't make the roster, same with Rayman or Rabbids. But who knows Sakurai's criteria about the whole thing.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

If Fire Emblem: Reawakening is a actual thing, perhaps this means Chrom will get his chance this time?

He was passed on for a reason, no point in adding him now, he's not suddenly unique

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

I sincerely hope that lineup “leak” is fake. I would be disappointed if an announcement for Spyro Reignited Switch port wasn’t present at E3. I guess a direct announcement if E3 doesn’t happen

 

[P.Kat]

See the thing you're actually forgetting about Sheik however?

She's from possibly the most critically acclaimed and beloved Zelda game of all time. She's the only thing truly remaining from it in Smash Brothers at this point. And her twist is one of the most talked about twists in gaming history.

Not to mention the competitive scene loved Sheik for a good a bit as well.

So yeah? Sheik IS important.

I think she's still used a lot but I could be wrong I was without internet for about 6 months.

 

[Pazzo.]

More text based rumors, huh?

Remind me how well that went last time *cough* Chrom *cough*.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I think she's still used a lot but I could be wrong I was without internet for about 6 months.

She is as far as I'm aware, she's just not on the same level as she used to be. The competitive scene got a lot more varied at some point. Cause I can distinctly remember a time where she was a good portion of what you'd see played.

 

[Pacack]

She is as far as I'm aware, she's jut not on the same level as she used to be. The competitive scene got a lot more varied at some point. Cause I can distinctly remember a time where she was a good portion of what you'd see played.

She was nerfed really bad at one point, and since Bayonetta, Cloud, Mario, and Diddy are still really good too, a lot of people transitioned to them.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Imagine that.

Nintendo going back to the game that kept the franchise from dying.

It's almost as if Fire Emblem owes Awakening it's continued existence or something.

Complaining about Awakening is like the complaining about the original 151 in Pokemon in my opinion.

You can do it, but at least do it and understand why they get more attention than other games/generations.

I'd rather have a sequel from Radiant Dawn instead of Awakening

 

[New_Dumal]

I always think about Gematsu as a fake/mixed leak. I mean... or he just guessed some characters right or he wanted to mix some mistakes to protect his source. The whole idea of being "outdated" is speculation.

About Kamek, I don't think it's impossible but would be a bit shocking.
I also feel that comparing Kamek and K.Rool is absurd.
Kamek is a Mario-universe character.
Dixie and K.Rool are from Donkey Kong. Yes, there are crossovers between Dk/Mario and you can say they came from the same original game....
But if you start to unify everything that already was into a Mario spin-off as "Mario character" then you know... Link is in Mario Kart 8. So maybe we should count Link as "Mario character".Absolutely not.

That being said, K.Rool is the main villain from Dk,and Dixie is the third most famous playable character.
Kamek is far away from representing the same to Mario Universe.
Removing Yoshi's Island as a unique franchise,Kamek is big there. But Y.Island is not that much of a deal (comparing to "You know who" Donkey Kong).

 

[Zerp]

He was passed on for a reason, no point in adding him now, he's not suddenly unique

Inb4 Lucina gets cut and he takes her role, and they just play the Captain Falcon trailer again except Lucina's the one on the floor, and she's now part of Robin's final smash, then the Palutena's guidance will be taunting Lucina for not being unique enough.

Joking aside. I'm pretty certain the reason Corrin and Roy got in was due to Intelligent Systems's marketing, and I can see them try forcing Chrom in for the stupidly high levels of exposure Smash brings. And as the case of Corrin showed, money trumped over Sakurai's logic last time too, he thought the number of Fire Emblem characters was pushing it but went ahead and created him anyway, I think it could happen if Intelligent Systems really wants it too.
This assumes the game is real, that Chrom is in the game, will be marketed heavily, and is a main character, all of which might not be happening anyway though.

 

[Deleted member]

wise plump lady who looks like your mother.

Are ye sayin' me muddah is fat?!
Them's fightin' words!

 

[T-Hell]

More text based rumors, huh?

Remind me how well that went last time *cough* Chrom *cough*.

If you mean the Gematsu leak I think it was supposedly confirmed that the leak was real but outdated. Sakurai decided that Chrom didn't have enough potential and went for Robin and Lucina as a last minute clon. And the Chorus Kids probably had the same issue as IC.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Are ye sayin' me muddah is fat?!
Them's fightin' words!

The stereotypical image of a sweet mother.

There.

No one's mother is now insulted.

 

[Cosmic77]

Fire Emblem Reawakening sounds stupid enough to be true. Lord knows IS can't take their eyes off that game for a second.

Oh well. At least one good thing would come out of this if it ends up being true. The odds of a new FE character would go down significantly.

 

[Deleted member]

The stereotypical image of a sweet mother.

There.

No one's mother is now insulted.

So now she's a stereotype?!

 

[New_Dumal]

I really want a confirmation that Gematsu was "outdated". One of these things I hear about all the time but never verified. My fear is that someone said that years ago and everybody accept as fact.

 

[osby]

Inb4 Lucina gets cut and he takes her role, and they just play the Captain Falcon trailer again except Lucina's the one on the floor, and she's now part of Robin's final smash, then the Palutena's guidance will be taunting Lucina for not being unique enough.

Joking aside. I'm pretty certain the reason Corrin and Roy got in was due to Intelligent Systems's marketing, and I can see them try forcing Chrom in for the stupidly high levels of exposure Smash brings. And as the case of Corrin showed, money trumped over Sakurai's logic last time too, he thought the number of Fire Emblem characters was pushing it but went ahead and created him anyway, I think it could happen if Intelligent Systems really wants it too.
This assumes the game is real, that Chrom is in the game, will be marketed heavily, and is a main character, all of which might not be happening anyway though.

You are forgetting Corrin was actually a very unique character who added to the game. Chrom is just a sword fighter and he's not showing off anything Lucina and Robin don't. And he IS IN the game, assisting Robin.

Also Roy didn't enter because marketing, Sakurai asked for IS for a character who can be a Marth clone.

 

[P.Kat]

Although I'm team "give Impa an original breath of the wild inspired design", you'd have to be crazy to think this wouldn't make the coolest smash character ever tbh and those are the facts

Giant blade is alright but that Naginata is amazing but I would mind having either weapons.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

So now she's a stereotype?!

Look, I'm sure Ms. Golden? Ms. Yuiitusin? Ms. GoldenYuiitusin?

I'm sure she's a very lovely lady.

And nothing typical at all.

****. Now it just sounds like I'm calling her some abnormal freak.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Hold the **** up. Please tell me Awakening isn't getting milked again

What is this about?

If Fire Emblem: Reawakening is a actual thing, perhaps this means Chrom will get his chance this time?

Ohh...

Nvm, found it.

Awakening remake would be great. Why? The game is ambitious, yet very roughly polished. It has a great cast, good story, good lore and world, just a very messy way of story telling and presentation especially compared to Echoes, and even Fates. It's dated, but it's a great and rich game.

Chrom as a newcomer isn't farfetched either if Lucina gets reworked. Then they could even share a spot, Chrom being the "male Lucina", that's not Marth.

All cool in my book.

 

[NeonBurrito]

I always think about Gematsu as a fake/mixed leak. I mean... or he just guessed some characters right or he wanted to mix some mistakes to protect his source. The whole idea of being "outdated" is speculation.

I mean, he got everything absolutely perfect.

Leak #1:

• "Animal Crossing Guy" -
• Mega Man -
• Wii Fit Trainer -
• Little Mac -
• Mii -
• Pac-Man -

Leak #2:

• Shulk -
• Palutena -
• Chrom - Was considered for a spot in the roster, but wasn't unique enough so he got cut
• Chorus Kids - Unused data for 'rhythm' emblem is organized along with the other fighters, being the only case in the entire game, showing that a Rhythm Heaven character had some development / planning before being scrapped
• Gen VI Pokemon -

Leak #3:

• Miis would be called Mii Fighters -
• Internal debate about Lucas likely to be cut - Lucas was cut for base game, later came as DLC

In terms of all of its characters, it got every single one of them right in one way or the other. It missed a few newcomers, but it never claimed to know all of them.

The source was either EXTREMELY LUCKY to get everything right, or had some prior knowledge of the Smash roster. The idea that the source had some knowledge of the roster doesn't seem to unlikely, considering how he absolutely nailed every single thing he mentioned, even if some of them didn't make the final cut.

 

[WaddleMatt]

I feel the more we continue talking about the imgur leak, the more people are going to start believing it. Guys, please remember to not dissapoint yourselves.

 

[Pacack]

About Kamek, I don't think it's impossible but would be a bit shocking.
I also feel that comparing Kamek and K.Rool is absurd.
Kamek is a Mario-universe character.
Dixie and K.Rool are from Donkey Kong. Yes, there are crossovers between Dk/Mario and you can say they came from the same original game....
But if you start to unify everything that already was into a Mario spin-off as "Mario character" then you know... Link is in Mario Kart 8. So maybe we should count Link as "Mario character".Absolutely not.

That being said, K.Rool is the main villain from Dk,and Dixie is the third most famous playable character.
Kamek is far away from representing the same to Mario Universe.
Removing Yoshi's Island as a unique franchise,Kamek is big there. But Y.Island is not that much of a deal (comparing to "You know who" Donkey Kong).

King K. Rool is a primary villain from a popular franchise who hasn't had an appearance in a main game for 18 years.

Kamek is a primary villain from a modestly popular franchise and a tertiary villain from the largest video game franchise in history. He has been appearing actively since his inception, and has been particularly active during the time the roster was likely decided.

Comparing the two isn't absurd. They're in different situations, certainly, but they're both villains from the overarching Mario universe, and they're both possible newcomers.

It's also worth noting that K. Rool isn't as popular now as he was in his heyday. The biggest point in his favor is the ballot, but there's not even a guarantee that he scored as highly as people here might think.

If you take offense because you think K. Rool is significantly more likely, then I'd like you to explain why. What does Kamek lack as a newcomer that he's so unlikely compared to a villain that's been missing since the Gamecube era?

 

[EnthusedPanda]

Hey guys, would anyone be willing to post these newer 4chan leaks? It's kind of frustrating to see people having a back and forth over some arcane jpegs that aren't even in the thread.

Thanks!

 

[cmbsfm]

Yeah I wanna see these 4chan leaks too. Fake or not it’s just fun to talk about. And it’s even more fun to make fun of if it’s really bad.

 

[Nekoo]

Hey guys, would anyone be willing to post these newer 4chan leaks? It's kind of frustrating to see people having a back and forth over some arcane jpegs that aren't even in the thread.

Thanks!

Sure, what people talk the most about are those rumor from Vergeben and some shady Imgur link-
DasVergeben is a leaker who have a good enough track record of being right on other games in the past, while being wrong in somes.

Also as a bonus, here, take the daily 4chan rumors of the days, that are almost all starting to piggyback Vergeben now lmao.

Spoiler

 

[P.Kat]

She is as far as I'm aware, she's just not on the same level as she used to be. The competitive scene got a lot more varied at some point. Cause I can distinctly remember a time where she was a good portion of what you'd see played.

Until that balance patch hit us Sheik mains, Hard. That's when we started becoming scarce.

 

[StrangeMann]

Sure, what people talk the most about are those rumor from Vergeben and some shady Imgur link-
DasVergeben is a leaker who have a good enough track record of being right on other games in the past, while being wrong in somes.

Also as a bonus, here, take the daily 4chan rumors of the days, that are almost all starting to piggyback Vergeben now lmao.

Spoiler

I love how there's so many 4chan leaks in ONE DAY with like tiny differences and changes but almost all of them state that vergeben is holy and sacred, and that the word of vergeben is god on 4chan.

(Jokes aside, I actually do think Vergeben's rumour is the most possible to be correct of any we have seen thus far, but even then I wouldn't assume it to be likely.)

Btw, is the first image created by you? If so there's probably more resetera teasing/hints that could be wrapped in that first collage related to ridley in smashbros, although since it's not outright rumors and moreso teasing and hints it might be better on the bottom portion

 

[True Blue Warrior]

What does Kamek lack as a newcomer that he's so unlikely compared to a villain that's been missing since the Gamecube era?

Jungle Climber and Mario Super Sluggers are Gamecube era games?

 

[Pacack]

Jungle Climber and Mario Super Sluggers are Gamecube era games?

No, but they're not mainline Donkey Kong titles.

King K. Rool is a primary villain from a popular franchise who hasn't had an appearance in a main game for 18 yeatr.

Emphasis added. I know he's been in spinoffs since then, but that wasn't what I was referring to.

 

[Nekoo]

I love how there's so many 4chan leaks in ONE DAY with like tiny differences and changes but almost all of them state that vergeben is holy and sacred, and that the word of vergeben is god on 4chan.

(Jokes aside, I actually do think Vergeben's rumour is the most possible to be correct of any we have seen thus far, but even then I wouldn't assume it to be likely.)

Btw, is the first image created by you? If so there's probably more resetera teasing/hints that could be wrapped in that first collage related to ridley in smashbros, although since it's not outright rumors and moreso teasing and hints it might be better on the bottom portion

Nope i'm not the one who made that picture. It's an Anon who keep track of the rumors and who also got into contact with Vergeben-

 

[New_Dumal]

King K. Rool is a primary villain from a popular franchise who hasn't had an appearance in a main game for 18 years.

Kamek is a primary villain from a modestly popular franchise and a tertiary villain from the largest video game franchise in history. He has been appearing actively since his inception, and has been particularly active during the time the roster was likely decided.

Comparing the two isn't absurd. They're in different situations, certainly, but they're both villains from the overarching Mario universe, and they're both possible newcomers.

It's also worth noting that K. Rool isn't as popular now as he was in his heyday. The biggest point in his favor is the ballot, but there's not even a guarantee that he scored as highly as people here might think.

If you take offense because you think K. Rool is significantly more likely, then I'd like you to explain why. What does Kamek lack as a newcomer that he's so unlikely compared to a villain that's been missing since the Gamecube era?

DKC Original trilogy is remembered until this days as one of the most iconic series on plataform gaming.Nintendo itself used "Country" name to regain some popularity and credibility to the franchise. A Yoshi Island game never had the exact impact that DKC has.

Retro Studios avoided K.Rool because they wanted to do their own thing, and i also remembered reading (I may be spreading fake here, since I don't remember the source on this) that they were afraid of taking a wrong turn with the character. K.Rool appeared again in Sluggers as I reminder that Nintendo still remembers him in this modern games. He also appears at Donkey Kong Barrel Blast, on the Wii.
He is just much more of a character than Kamek, and I want to see arguments against this statement.
Kamek is a magikoopa. The main thing about his character is that he is "The magikoopa that was a caretaker for Bowser." I just read that "Kamek" is the name to a generic Mario enemy in some countries (Magikoopas).

All that said, I can't deny that he is maybe more recognizable for casual audiences than K.Rool. But I don't believe either of them would enter because of their popularity.
I'm not even saying K.Rool have a high chance of making in. I think we're overating his chances again.
But drawing comparison to Kamek is almost malicious. He is not a generic enemy made special because of a name. He was designed as the antagonist of Donkey Kong COUNTRY.

 

[Deleted member]

Look, I'm sure Ms. Golden? Ms. Yuiitusin? Ms. GoldenYuiitusin?

I'm sure she's a very lovely lady.

And nothing typical at all.

****. Now it just sounds like I'm calling her some abnormal freak.

And there you go. You've figured it out. There is no way to win. :V

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Ok these new photos

How do we know they are fake?

 

[StrangeMann]

Ok these new photos

How do we know they are fake?

The 4chan ones? A lot of them directly contradict each other because they are basically vergeben + a few other characters, but each one is slightly different. Pretty sure all of these will be disproven immediately at E3 unless Vergeben gets confirmed and nothing else.