Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[WeirdChillFever]

The ARMS composite characters brings me back to the "Little Mac but with Aran Ryan's Glove Rope" Days

Ridey fans are the wise oaks that have ripened from disappointment, knowing the cruel tides of fate, sharing their knowledge with the new blood

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Ichigo Kurosaki (or other Bleach characters like Kenpachi or Byakuya) in Soulcaliber I think they'd fit perfectly but no other Shounen Jump characters for sure I agree with you there.

I remember around the SCV cycle, someone posted a bogus page for Ichigo under the Guest Characters category of the Soulcalibur Wiki. Unngh.

If its any anime/manga character that deserves to be in SCVI, its Guts/Griffith or literally anyone from the Nasuverse.

K.Rool fans have become the new Ridley fans.

Ridley fans have become pretty darn chill.

Wasn't @Johnknight1 supposed to shave his beard when Ridley gets confirmed?

 

[Zeox]

K.Rool fans have become the new Ridley fans.

Ridley fans have become pretty darn chill.

The scars of the last 3 wars have left us too tired, so many fake leaks, so many hopes smashed again and again, at this point Ridley would be a christmas miracle... but in summer.

 

[IntelliHeath1]

Hopefully Wolf would make his reappearance somehow this time.

 

[Zeox]

I think this video that I made perfectly describes how Ridley fans feel at this point:

Spoiler

 

[DYED]

Unrelated, but when (and hopefully we won't need a hypothetical) they'll announce the return of the Ice Climbers I'll literally cry.

 

[P.Kat]

While I agree on the opinion that Lucina is a character important enough to stand on her own, I don't think she has the moveset to do that.
I think she either needs a more personal moveset or to be demoted as alt, which isn't that bad honestly.

Sakurai should go for the Super Smash Bros Crusade mode (which is a fangame, obviously), where the alt costumes actually change the stats and even some moves, so you can keep in the game all the versions of a character, so to make everyone happy.

I think Sakurai can work his magic on Lucina. Having alt costumes that changes stats and moves sound cool but only if you can change the color of that costume too (which seems likely).

Lyn could go from a swordswoman with a single blade, to a dual wielder, to an archer class, Krystal could switch from a Bo Staff wielder to a guns and rockets user. Ganondorf players can finally have the dark long range magic he's known for and anyone who can't decide which Zelda game Impa should rep from can worry no more. Sounds like a great idea.

 

[Zhadgon]

Ridley fans are like this:

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.n_n.

 

[papagenos]

So which of these unreleased beta pokemon from the Gold and Silver spaceworld 97 demo do you think will be our pokemon newcomer in smash?

 

[BluePikmin11]

K. Rool supporters have been pretty chill here in Smashboards, especially in the support thread. Discussion for K. Rool and the Donkey Kong Country games in general is pretty laid-back there.

Please do not misclassify those fans as stubborn. :<

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The issue with alts with moves is that Sakurai was not able to make those costumes have their own recorded stats. That's part of why he created new slots for clones, to solve that issue. The other is he feels different movesets deserve different slots. He's not really wrong. If the moveset is different at all, they should have their own own VS Records.

 

[CannonStreak]

K.Rool fans have become the new Ridley fans.

Ridley fans have become pretty darn chill.

Not me. Whatever happens, I am pretty darn chill.

 

[Just a random scrub]

I mean yoshi's main villain is bowser, granted it's his baby form but y'know it's still bowser. Plus isn't kamek not a separate character from the magikoopa species in japan? I feel like that harms it's chances

I'm no expert, but I recall seeing something that said that Kamek could be considered Yoshi's rival in the same way that Bowser is Mario's? I mean, his chances still aren't that high, but still.

Personally, I think that Smash Switch should not go with the dark and edgy tone. We've already been there with Brawl, and we're well past the point where Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and Bowser sound like real world animals.

I think I'm the only guy on the planet that actually thinks that Donkey Kong is fine with his current voice/likes his current voice. Bowser's chain-smoking alligator voice needs to go, though.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Villager's moves make sense. He's a composite of all the Animal Crossing games, even using some New Leaf stuff despite being based on earlier games design-wise. And the moves that take from games other than AC games were on those NES things in the GameCube game. Everything makes sense and references Animal Crossing in some shape or form, even the stuff that seems like a stretch.

Duck Hunt Dog was literally just a NPC that laughed at you, nothing more. That gives him next to no moveset option aside from basic duck and dog stuff, with a NES Zapper from beyond the fourth wall filling some gaps. Stuff from other games are references to other NES Zapper games, which makes sense there too, especially due to the unseen Zapper user in the moveset. A bit of a stretch, but then again, Duck Hunt didn't offer much on its own...

Aside from up taunt's sprites, the only move Pac-Man takes from a different game is the up special, being taken from Mappy instead. I'll give you a point for this one, but then again, what were the other options for his recovery that wouldn't feel like a lazy upwards version of his side special.

Palutena is the one using the powers to help the Pits in Uprising rather than the Pits themselves, so having her use them in combat in Smash actually makes perfect sense and doesn't make her a composite like the others you brought.

In addition, none of them actually take stuff that would make them feel out of their own character.

And if that wasn't enough, everyone has the same basic options in ARMS; punch, block, dash, grab, jump and rush. And some of those options (by which I mean everything but the grab's throw and a handful of dashes) give the exact same animations.

While some moves in Smash could be drawn from other characters (like Master Mummy's throw), I don't see the possibility of getting rid of what makes each ARMS character special, their gimmick, and slapping all of that stuff into a Frankenstein's Monster moveset. It rids them of their individuality and could end up making for a needlessly complex moveset with a dozen gimmicks attached to it.

Interesting fact about the NES stuff from Killager, and I suppose the Dog could’ve had his laugh as some sort of weapon while using the poor ducks as nunchucks...but that’d be weird compared to his current moveset

Pit can use the powers on his own aswell (though he only does this in Chapter 23 after Hades ate him), and Viridi uses these powers to help him aswell, however you are right about them not feeling out of character

The possibility in an Arms character losing something special is understandable, but making up some new moves is also possible for them

 

[DYED]

I think Sakurai can work his magic on Lucina. Having alt costumes that changes stats and moves sound cool but only if you can change the color of that costume too (which seems likely).

Lyn could go from a swordswoman with a single blade, to a dual wielder, to an archer class, Krystal could switch from a Bo Staff wielder to a guns and rockets user. Ganondorf players can finally have the dark long range magic he's known for and anyone who can't decide which Zelda game Impa should rep from can worry no more. Sounds like a great idea.

And more than that, doing that would give more freedom to reworks.

We can have a more agile Mario with multiple jumps to stay loyal to his new form in Odyssey, and at the same time have a Mario with his iconic Smash moveset, the same with other characters that Sakurai seem to be unable to let go, such as Link and Ganondorf.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I like Palutena more but actually I think Dark Pit was the best character in Uprising.

Pit/Palutena/Pandora/Viridi/Hades > Dark Pit

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Meh, DK’s realistic voice doesn’t really fit with DK’s character imo and it lacks personality. Same with Diddy’s chimp voice.

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

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So which of these unreleased beta pokemon from the Gold and Silver spaceworld 97 demo do you think will be our pokemon newcomer in smash?

Bootleg tiger Pikachu clearly. It's hiding in the gift box!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Pit can use the powers on his own aswell (though he only does this in Chapter 23 after Hades ate him), and Viridi uses these powers to help him aswell, however you are right about them not feeling out of character

I feel like Chapter 23 shouldn’t count because him keeping those powers was likely done to not cripple players in gameplay rather than Pit being capable of using them in-universe.

 

[P.Kat]

I remember around the SCV cycle, someone posted a bogus page for Ichigo under the Guest Characters category of the Soulcalibur Wiki. Unngh.

If its any anime/manga character that deserves to be in SCVI, its Guts/Griffith or literally anyone from the Nasuverse.


Wasn't @Johnknight1 supposed to shave his beard when Ridley gets confirmed?

Yeah I remember that too I was so disappointed when it was fake Guts is good choice though.

I remember hearing some thing like that. Guess he'll have to do good on his promise if he's right this time. Etika has yet to fulfill his end of the bet for his failure of Wolf confirmation.

 

[osby]

Pit/Palutena/Pandora/Viridi/Hades > Dark Pit

Why are we even discussing this when Eggplant Wizard is better than all the others?

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

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So which of these unreleased beta pokemon from the Gold and Silver spaceworld 97 demo do you think will be our pokemon newcomer in smash?

Qwilfish actually had an evo at one point? Nani?!

 

[Zeox]

Why are we even discussing this when Eggplant Wizard is better than all the others?

True, Eggplant wizard is the sexiest strongest nintendo character ever.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Meh, DK’s realistic voice doesn’t really fit with DK’s character imo and it lacks personality. Same with Diddy’s chimp voice.

Bowser’s voice isn’t as good as his Pimp Daddy voice from the Mario games, and the DK characters deserve their real voices (realism is weird)

I feel like Chapter 23 shouldn’t count because him keeping those powers was likely done to not cripple players in gameplay rather than Pit being capable of using them in-universe.

Crippling him a bit would’ve been a cool thing to struggle through (after all, what better way to hate fighting the heart of Hades than to go at it without powers), but there’s also Chapter 24 where he could use the powers against Pseudo Palutena while the real one was asleep. I would say Palutena is the one who uses the powers for him, but Pit can also summon them on his own when needed (or he’s been doing that throughout the game while she gave him flight and floor food)

Why are we even discussing this when Eggplant Wizard is better than all the others?

Tempura Wizard also

 

[MasterOfKnees]

keep in mind that he had 2 sources for smash.

1) Ridley is in

2) Ridley, Simon and ICs with no cuts.

I don't know which source indicated Snake.

Don't forget about that

He has like 4 or maybe even 5 sources.

Source 1 (Namco): Ridley is in.

Source 2: Ridley, Simon Belmont, ICs, no cuts. Ridley will be revealed at E3.

Source 3: Ridley is in, will have a presence at E3 outside of reveal (worth noting that this guy approached Vergeben himself).

Source 4: Snake is back, Minecraft will have representation in some form (unclear whether they're the same source, he shared the news at the same time, but on two different sites).

We don't know if Source 4 is the same as any of the others as he doesn't state that, or if Source 4 should even be split in two, so it's getting a bit messy. With his patchy track record and admission that he can be quite naive in believing sketchy sources it's not exactly encouraging. He did state that Source 1 and 2 are among his most trusted ones, but I'd be surprised if all of these claims are true in the end.

 

[P.Kat]

Hopefully Wolf would make his reappearance somehow this time.

Hopefully without giving us the bird like he does at end of this Brawl cutscene look at his fingers.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I just thought of this...with the Smash 4 splash art for each character reveal, only Duck Hunt realized large words randomly in their face

 

[Tailisu10]

I've heard this several times, but what NES game does Villager reference besides Balloon Fight?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I think I'm the only guy on the planet that actually thinks that Donkey Kong is fine with his current voice/likes his current voice. Bowser's chain-smoking alligator voice needs to go, though.

When you look at the following image, however, it would feel more amusing if Donkey Kong utilized Takashi Nagasako's voice clips for him.

 

[cmbsfm]

He has like 4 or maybe even 5 sources.

Source 1 (Namco): Ridley is in.

Source 2: Ridley, Simon Belmont, ICs, no cuts. Ridley will be revealed at E3.

Source 3: Ridley is in, will have a presence at E3 outside of reveal (worth noting that this guy approached Vergeben himself).

Source 4: Snake is back, Minecraft will have representation in some form (unclear whether they're the same source, he shared the news at the same time, but on two different sites).

We don't know if Source 4 is the same as any of the others as he doesn't state that, or if Source 4 should even be split in two, so it's getting a bit messy. With his patchy track record and admission that he can be quite naive in believing sketchy sources it's not exactly encouraging. He did state that Source 1 and 2 are among his most trusted ones, but I'd be surprised if all of these claims are true in the end.

Vergeben actually said that the same source who told him about Icies and Simon also told him about Snake. Don’t know about Minecraft though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comm..._big_smash_leaks_for_those_that_care/dzumyx7/

 

[osby]

Have we had a situation where a text leak was proven to be accurate?

 

[Nekoo]

So hum...someone said that He leaked nothing about Nintendo last page but well, Resetera backed me Up-

Not especially, but more so than anything else we have right now. The leaker has a spotty record, and no one else has really jumped in to confirm it despite it being out there for a while. People are just treating it a little more seriously due to the Starfox Racing leak.
Not just that, but also Namco Bandai doing Metroid Prime 4, Grøh in Soul Calibur 6 and the TMNT in Injustice 2.

Well- now I find that more interesting

 

[Darkraid]

I think this video that I made perfectly describes how Ridley fans feel at this point:

Spoiler

I hope this design gets into smash.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Vergeben actually said that the same source who told him about Icies and Simon also told him about Snake. Don’t know about Minecraft though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comm..._big_smash_leaks_for_those_that_care/dzumyx7/

Right, that clears that much up at least. Might also be the source of the Minecraft thing then, but that's just an assumption.

 

[Nekoo]

Have we had a situation where a text leak was proven to be accurate?

Gematsu-?
The one saying that Lucas/wolf were cut?
Ergh... And in the brawl days a lot of the roster was leaked by some GameFaqs user and the members called him a liar because he said Sonic was in and Mewtwo was cut.

 

[SuperiorYoshi87]

So just so I'm completely up to speed, the Imgur "leak" is being considered decently enough to be real?


And the guy who leaked Ridley, leaked Snake coming back too?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Have we had a situation where a text leak was proven to be accurate?

Large parts of both Brawl's and Smash 4's rosters leaked in text form first. ChaosZero and NyaseNya for the former, and the Ninka leak for the latter (although a lot of people were involved in that), and you can sort of count the Gematsu leak too.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Gematsu-?
The one saying that Lucas/wolf were cut?
Ergh... And in the brawl days a lot of the roster was leaked by some GameFaqs user and the members called him a liar because he said Sonic was in and Mewtwo was cut.

Gematsu...ah the good old days

 

[Zeox]

So just so I'm completely up to speed, the Imgur "leak" is being considered decently enough to be real?


And the guy who leaked Ridley, leaked Snake coming back too?

No leak can be considered real until we have Nintendo official news.
We know nothing about the new smash game so we cannot say anything for sure.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

So just so I'm completely up to speed, the Imgur "leak" is being considered decently enough to be real?


And the guy who leaked Ridley, leaked Snake coming back too?

The Imgur leak is very sketchy, there's nothing that really gives it much credibility other than lining up with Vergeben's leak, which might aswell just be a piggybacking attempt. Best just to assume it's fake for now, especially because of the manner it was posted in.