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I'm guessing those who complain are simply Nintendo purists because you're right, Sakurai doesn't really pick anyone.
They are definitely guests of honour. That's what I'm curious about, most of us didn't bat an eye to Sonic's return. And Mega Man almost treated as a Nintendo character in most reveals and trailers. I wonder if veteran guests will blend in with the rest of the cast more.
Inb4 Robin paid Falcon to destroy Chrom so he/she could join Smash instead of him...and take Lucina with him/her
Atleast one 3rd party, and 2-5 1st/2nd party newcomers...also that last lime though...that would be a dumb reason for people to hate on guest characters (really hope somebody doesn’t really think this way)
I think it would be very confusing. I imagine he actually doesn't want to cheapen a mechanic he and his team worked hard to implement by putting it to two newcomers in a row.
Well, it probably wouldn't cheap it if they used it in different ways, but yeah, I guess if Sakurai made a very cool new mechanic for a newcomer, he'd want that newcomer to feel as unique as possible.
I agree, but I wasn't the guy who made the teaser look like "The END of SMASH BROS" (the movie).
That sounds like a loaded question one that can easily devolve into hacking and slashing at other people's wanted characters.Does anyone have a character that you don't want to be revealed at E3, so you can speculate more?
Having two different characters relying on turf-like mechanics would be really confusing, especially if they end up having the same turf color. Not to mention Color Splash isn't about turfing the place, but recoloring it. It would likely be useless on Smash because nothing there lost any color.
Like, on the one hand, you have no problems with a character, on the other hand, supporters of that character made last speculation period a pain for you. ...I'm talking about a friend.
Let's be honest everyone who wants Paper Mario wants him to use stuff from the pre-Sticker Star games. For good reason.
I wouldn't mind a nod or two to Sticker Star or Color Splash.
Agreed, there is definitley a lot more to work from within the originals. Also hopefully we would get some more Paper Mario music because that stuff is gooood.
First of all, didn't see that leak. Can I see it?
There is still post-release characters but less newcomers is not a stretch, considering we'll most likely pass 60 fighters.
I see you both failed to understand what I mean'tJust gonna say it now, pal. When it comes to leaks and speculation...
Smash 4's base roster had 14 newcomers. If this is the base roster, 13 is a pretty good estimate of what we'll get.
While I didn't specifically mean Paper Mario would claim turf in the same was as Inklings, I mainly meant I could see them at least take advantage of the ink they made to use it for something with Paper Mario. Even if just as a visual effect. But yeah, if the Inklings would have to use it for turf then it'd probably be very confusing on the stage. My bad.
Especially if Link taking from BotW means a redone moveset, because it could mean other veterans could get the same treatment.
I guess I've never really had that problem since I'm usually a lurker around here, on YouTube, etc. but with the hype of this new Smash I couldn't just not join these conversations anymore, an d although I don't know what potential arguments happened on the other thousand plus pages before everyone here currently have been pretty chill, or as chill as one can be on a hype train. XD
I think even if his moveset gets redone, overall concept would stay same, like Pit in the last game. Would he be a new character or not?
Fair enough.
Courtesy from 4chan's Anon who keep and update of that things.
does this means that Sans, Hector and Tingle are newcomers as well? :3 (Skeleton, axe knight and flea man XD)
Oh man I missed these times of weird leaks everywhere and not knowing if it would be true or BS.Courtesy from 4chan's Anon who keep and update of that things.
TL:DR Vergeben is a somewhat famous leaker who usually get things right when it comes from Namco-bandai fighterZ or fighting games in general.
He first said that Ridley is 100% sure thanks to a source.
Another said that Ice climber and Simon Belmont is in and no cut.
Later on a weird Imgur link with "clue" to newcomers get posted on Reddit. It have all of the characters you see on that pictures+ Ridley/Simon/Ice climbers AND Snake who at the time had no source, saying that the theme of the game is Vilain va Heroes
A second? (Or same person/piggybacked) source on 4chan said the same things than the imgur leak but saying that Lucina/DR.Mario/Dark.Pit are cut.
Later on, Vergeben says that he heard that Snake is back which...is like the Imgur leak said.
And lastly, he said he heard that Minecraft could have an appearance in Smash, whenever it's a stage/AT or trophy, however that information was posted on GameFaqs instead of the Reddit threat where he post things he seems to be pretty sure of.
Keep in mind that Vergeben might be right, but the imgur can be 100% bull****
The design philosophy for this roster is pretty damn terrible and reeks of "bias while trying to maintain the guise of not being biased."Ground rules for the roster. Characters like Rosalina that are chosen because they have a strong future are not more deserving than older characters that have appeared more. Relevance lasts very little. Importance lasts much more. With importance, the character might not be relevant, but because important characters get more games, Design is meant to please a normal person. When a normal person says they want K. Rool over frickin Rosalina, who isn’t a big deal even in the Galaxy games and whose relevance totally failed! When a normal person asks for that, give it to them! Everyone but Sakurai gives no ****s about relevance. Due to the advent of the internet, character relevancy has gotten less and less important. This is because there are sites like Reddit and YouTube channels directly about obsessing over old games. So, K. Rool? He’s getting in.
To determine who is an All Star, I’ll be using a math estimation of how much the character appears out of the total screens in the series. Critical acclaim is also a factor because it adds staying power to the games the character is from. I’ll lay out some ground rules. In defining an All Star, I don’t like adding flavor of the week Pokemon or Fire Emblems because just as they are relevant, they will be forgotten fast.
- Inkling from Splatoon
- Ridley - The main villain of Metroid who dies in nearly every game but is always revived. Whether it be as a clone, a mutant, or a robot/cyborg.
- King K. Rool - The main villain of Donkey Kong.
- Waluigi - Playable appearances are just as notable as boss battles, and this guy is playable in most Mario Karts and Mario Parties. He’s a famous meme and is arguably just as important as Bowser Jr, who was added before Waluigi.
- WILD CARD Tom Nook from Animal Crossing - A character more deserving than the Villager (Villager is a customizable avatar). Also, Animal Crossing is 10x more underrepresented than DK or Metroid. The series is a step under Kirby and rivals Metroid yet has one character.
- Dixie Kong
- Bandana Dee
- Paper Mario
- Impa - A Sheikah warrior who is Zelda’s guardian. Sometimes she’s an old lady for some reason.
- Ice Climbers - They appeared twice already in Smash and are heavily requested. You can’t get rid of them, they’re like Captain Falcon . Because some characters are like this, Ice Climbers will be part of a new grouping called Veterans. Jigglypuff, Roy, Ice Climbers, and Captain Falcon are part of this group.
- Eevee - Pokemon Switch, which is another remake of Red and Blue, has him as a starter.
- Fire Emblem Switch’s hero - Maybe this game could be the best selling yet given Fire Emblem’s increasing popularity.
- Rex and Pyra - The heroes of the biggest Xenoblade.
- Crash Bandicoot - He’s a Sony mascot. So what? He’s not owned by Sony so he is doable and it would not benefit them at all. Adding him in would be extra disrespect to Sony because they’ll put in Crash in Smash before Playstation All Stars could.
- Minecraft Hero
Cuts
- Dr Mario
- Dark Pit
- Lucina
- Greninja
- Lucario
- Bayonetta
- Wii Fit Trainer
Honorable Mentions
- Takamaru - Not as important historically as Game and Watch or ROB, and also not as deserving as Little Mac or Duck Hunt.
- Lip - I take both character importance and series importance into consideration. Lip appears in one game Japan only. People just want her to represent the games.
- Bomberman - He’s well known, but a strong amount of people don’t play his games. That’s bad. Look at the sales: Star Fox outsells Bomberman.
- Skull Kid - Not really all that important in Majora’s Mask. He appears for a few cutscenes and that’s it. He doesn’t get a boss fight. The fight with Majora doesn’t count. Yes he has more appearances, but they don’t amount to much.
- Decidueye - Flavor of the week Pokemon everyone will forget about.
- Rhythm Heaven - Doesn’t really have characters. They’re all generic stick figures.
- Geno - Look at the reaction for his Mii costume. Nobody wants him anymore. Even taking into consideration that old favorites are renewed when actually announced, he wouldn’t be hype.
- Golden Sun, Custom Robo, Sin and Punishment, Chibi Robo etc. - All dead franchises.
- Dillon - His games get mixed reviews.
- Advance Wars - Too schismistic for a relatively small series. Has no protagonist, and the older games have no characters at all.
- Wolf - Had terrible reception when added into Brawl and for a good reason: He has no screen time! He’s not the main villain. A main villain would be important to the plot, while Wolf is just a distraction. Could be a Smash rep, but it doesn’t sit well with me. Besides Star Fox is dead.
- Spring Man - Comes from a decently reviewed series with one game and no main character. There are higher priorities.
- Toad - More of a species than a character. Would be like making Koopa Troopa playable.
- King Boo - Is he just a bigger boo like the common enemy or is he his own character? What’s the difference between a Big Boo and a King Boo?
- Kamek - Magikoopa with a different name. Not his own character.
- Wario Ware characters - They appear for a couple pictures, but are completely absent for the majority of the games. This is because the microgames are the star of the show, not the characters.
- F Zero character - Similar to Wario Ware where the stars are the cars and the characters riding the cars are an afterthought. F Zero hasn’t gotten games anymore.
But Sans is already in the game, is the boy with the baseball bat and the red cap.
I like how the video linked at the bottom explains that Sora has a geniune shot because Disney always asks Nomura and Square Enix for approval on using Sora outside of Kingdom Hearts.Courtesy from 4chan's Anon who keep and update of that things.
TL:DR Vergeben is a somewhat famous leaker who usually get things right when it comes from Namco-bandai fighterZ or fighting games in general.
He first said that Ridley is 100% sure thanks to a source.
Another said that Ice climber and Simon Belmont is in and no cut.
Later on a weird Imgur link with "clue" to newcomers get posted on Reddit. It have all of the characters you see on that pictures+ Ridley/Simon/Ice climbers AND Snake who at the time had no source, saying that the theme of the game is Vilain va Heroes
A second? (Or same person/piggybacked) source on 4chan said the same things than the imgur leak but saying that Lucina/DR.Mario/Dark.Pit are cut.
Later on, Vergeben says that he heard that Snake is back which...is like the Imgur leak said.
And lastly, he said he heard that Minecraft could have an appearance in Smash, whenever it's a stage/AT or trophy, however that information was posted on GameFaqs instead of the Reddit threat where he post things he seems to be pretty sure of.
Keep in mind that Vergeben might be right, but the imgur can be 100% bull****
Until Sakurai adds extra burn damage, and water damage on Paper Mario himself, and a realistic paper stage that burns from said fire and water attacks XD
They're the best time.
That's true. However the video also explain how the legal stuff works too- and even how Sora getting selected could work. But saying that they want to focus on KHIII for now is also a down point, like it can be PR talk saying "this is a KHIII event dude".
Disney could see this as a chance of promovote KH3 in other games and consoles, Smash is very, VERY popular.
At the end of the day Snake returning is just a very logical extension to having Konami involved so it's well within the realm of "piggybacking".
Seeing how Konami murder the metal gear franchise and it seems to hate it, I don't think is that obvious.
That's true, but they'd still need to take some time looking at the Smash stuff.
I'm thinking a Belmont or Bomberman has more chances, personally.
