Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[monadoboy]

Gorochu.

We welcome you!

Isn't a new Eevelution more likely? iirc they always appear in even numbered gens.
Anyway this gives me a tiny bit of hope, at least.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Isn't a new Eevelution more likely? iirc they always appear in even numbered gens.
Anyway this gives me a tiny bit of hope, at least.

Eevee has cool evolutions in the 151 everyone already likes.

Pikachu has Raichu....and not even the cool surfs on his tail version.

I'd wager for a new Pikachu evolution.

 

[NeonBurrito]

Are you sure the opponent’s stats won’t scale to compensate? I mean, a lot of typical RPG’s have a party of 4 or so characters out at once, and the opponents are strong enough for it to be a fair difficulty. (Please correct me if they said that the opponents won’t scale.)

Considering the two Pokemon used in the fight are Level 18, whereas the Venonat is Level 9, it doesn't look like its scaling.

Also, here's another fun fact:

That exact trainer had a team of four Level 10 Pokemon in Fire Red and Leaf Green...

and two Level 14 in Pokemon in Red and Blue. If you look back to the first image, said trainer only has a single Level 9 Pokemon.

So, even WITHOUT the 2v1 mechanic, it is STILL easier than past games. Granted, he's a Bug Catcher, so he'd be a pushover in all of them, but this probably means that every trainer will face a decrease in difficulty, even ignoring the 2v1 mechanic, just like how trainers did in FR/LG, HG/SS, and OR/AS.

 

[Pacack]

I think, regardless, we can all agree it's going to be either Gorochu or an Eeveelution.

 

[Roberk]

The problem people are having with Pokemon is that it is already a simple experience. It's the casual rpg of rpgs, it didn't need to be watered down. I'm always dissapointed that Gamefreak adds in a sliver of innovative content with each gen only to scrap it for the next game, making Pokemon as a whole a flat experience as the series doesn't do the best job of building upon itself.

Are you sure the opponent’s stats won’t scale to compensate? I mean, a lot of typical RPG’s have a party of 4 or so characters out at once, and the opponents are strong enough for it to be a fair difficulty. (Please correct me if they said that the opponents won’t scale.)

Those games are built around party systems and having multiple characters around at once, Pokemon is primarily a 1v1 experience. It seems to be pretty much just doubling your power.

 

[Deleted member]

Apparently there isn't going to be any online in it, which is making people suuuuuuper salty.

I don't know why when the more traditional core games are next year, but eh, to each their own. I personally never touch Pokemon's online mechanics, so for me personally, I'm not too bummed. No wild battles isn't a big deal to me either, as Trainer battles are still fully intact and are the ones I always preferred anyway.

This will be a great game for kids and more casual gamers. For me, I'll just be picking it up as a fun appetizer while I wait for Pokemon 2019.

 

[Khao]

Do you guys think the Pokéball controller will be compatible with other Switch games?

I wanna use it for Dark Souls.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

That leak with Captain Toad, Spyro, and Crash? I hope that's real. I really want Captain Toad so bad.

Nope not that one

That one got deconfirmed by this Pokémon thing

Vergeben leak is

Simon Belmont, ice climbers, everybody from smash 4 comes back, and that the big E3 reveal for smash switch is Ridley is playable

And this person has ben correct before but also wrong

To bust that one it has to be a different big character reveal for smash

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Eevee has cool evolutions in the 151 everyone already likes.

Pikachu has Raichu....and not even the cool surfs on his tail version.

I'd wager for a new Pikachu evolution.

but pikachu in yellow can't evolve anyway, so I feel like they're gonna do the same here which would make the evolution ultimately pointless. For all we know it's a new legendary or something that'll tie into gen 8

And a new pikachu evo wouldn't work since they wouldn't be able to bring it over to the main games, making it pointless

 

[Chandeelure]

I think, regardless, we can all agree it's going to be either Gorochu or an Eeveelution.

No, it's Ridley.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

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Considering the two Pokemon used in the fight are Level 18, whereas the Venonat is Level 9, it doesn't look like its scaling.

Seems rather strange that Pikachu and Bulbasaur are both set to level 18, and yet Pikachu has more HP. Whenever Game Freak showed footage for their Pokemon titles, if the previous trailers mean anything, the Pokemon tend to have their HP IV set to 31.

 

[Pacack]

I mean, from a business perspective, I appreciate what they're doing. Like, trying to bring in the PoGo players that aren't currently playing the mainline games and using this to ease them in.

I'm pretty sure it's not marketed towards me and other hardcore Pokemon fans.

 

[MBRedboy31]

I agree. A hard mode would be great, but unless they make structural changes (as in grinding for hours isn't auto win anymore), I don't think it would matter.

Perhaps they could have all Pokemon default to level 100, with the player owning an item that allows them to easily teach a Pokemon any level up moves they can learn, and requiring the use of items to evolve Pokemon that evolve by level up, so that battles are based on strategy rather than level. Edit: I don't think it's likely that they'd do that, but it would be an interesting challenge. But yeah, for now, people who want challenge are free to do self imposed challenges.

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Considering the two Pokemon used in the fight are Level 18, whereas the Venonat is Level 9, it doesn't look like its scaling.
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So, even WITHOUT the 2v1 mechanic, it is STILL easier than past games. Granted, he's a Bug Catcher, so he'd be a pushover in all of them, but this probably means that every trainer will face a decrease in difficulty, even ignoring the 2v1 mechanic, just like how trainers did in FR/LG, HG/SS, and OR/AS.

To be fair, we can't see the stats of the Venonat as level =/= stats; for all we know, they might be twice that of what a Venonat would normally have at Level 9. Of course, this is going to be a really easy fight anyway since the player Pokemon are far beyond their opponent's level, and I agree that this game most likely will be on the easier side anyway, but yeah.

 

[Hinata]

"Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee look awful and boring!!!"

Look at this gif and say that to my goddamn face.

 

[IronTed]

I'm just glad they said gen 8 is next year. That will calm much anxiety.

 

[Pacack]

Nintendo understands.

Sometimes life is just too hard and all you want to do is sit alone petting your imaginary Pokemon in a fake Pokeball and hear it purr.

— MatPat (@MatPatGT) May 30, 2018

Honestly? Yeah.

 

[StrangeMann]

Does anyone know of any other leaks besides the Lazzyman/4chan leaks that claimed Crash/Spyro/Captain Toad would be in smash 5 that also claimed wrong information on the new pokemon game?

Another important footnote nobody mentioned: Pokemon Quest is coming out tonight on switch for those interested.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

I think, regardless, we can all agree it's going to be either Gorochu or an Eeveelution.

For some reason when I hear 'Gorochu' my mind thinks of either Goro Akechi who's been turned into a Pikachu, or a four-armed Pikachu like MK's Goro. Either image would be hilarious.

 

[NeonBurrito]

Seems rather strange that Pikachu and Bulbasaur are both set to level 18, and yet Pikachu has more HP. Whenever Game Freak showed footage for their Pokemon titles, if the previous trailers mean anything, the Pokemon tend to have their HP IV set to 31.

Wouldn't surprise me if the Pikachu / Eevee starter Pokemon were a bit buffed up compared to their normal counterparts. After all, these games are based off of Pokemon Yellow, where both of them were starters.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I wonder if Gen 8 will be out early enough to get a bit of DLC action.

Im not sure it's going to go long enough, and gen 8 may wind up not being in smash until smash AFTER smash switch.

Let's Go, on the other hand, i dont really care too much about haha.

 

[Kamikazek]

"The new pokemon is going to to be a new Pikachu form."

"The new pokemon is going to be a new Eevee form."

No. With the big emphasis this game is putting on co-op play they're finally going to introduce Pokemon fusions. The new Pokemon is going to be a Pikachu/Eevee fusion and you need to get together with a friend with the other version of the game to make it happen. We are going all in on using Digimon ideas Mega evolutions was just the beginning.

(I'm joking but I would seriously like this)

 

[Murlough]

Apparently there isn't going to be any online in it, which is making people suuuuuuper salty.

Could you give a source for that? Sorry I just want to make sure thats the truth.

 

[Pakky]

It's subjective. I wish it was't. I ******* love Pokemon since I can think, but this is the first time I've seen a new game and felt nothing but apathy.
Go's simplified capture mechanic should've stayed in Go. I have no interest in visiting Kanto again, specially since what we've seen doesn't look much different.
And only the first 151 Pokemon? No thanks.
Edit: It got worse, I had a silver of hope left they would be optional or something.

Now that's objectively bad. Not gonna sugar coat it.

 

[Hammer B]

What is that 'P' leak people is talking about?

 

[Roberk]

Also, the thing with marketing this to be more casual is that Pokemon was always casual. I doubt making it like PoGO will draw in PoGO players, they play PoGO because it is free and on their phones. If this gets negative reactions, then it might push away more people than draw them in. Nah who am I kidding, it's HD Pokemon, people are gonna buy it.

 

[NeonBurrito]

"The new pokemon is going to to be a new Pikachu form."

"The new pokemon is going to be a new Eevee form."

No. With the big emphasis this game is putting on co-op play they're finally going to introduce Pokemon fusions. The new Pokemon is going to be a Pikachu/Eevee fusion and you need to get together with a friend with the other version of the game to make it happen. We are going all in on using Digimon ideas Mega evolutions was just the beginning.

(I'm joking but I would seriously like this)

Finally, this can be canon.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Does anyone know of any other leaks besides the Lazzyman/4chan leaks that claimed Crash/Spyro/Captain Toad would be in smash 5 that also claimed wrong information on the new pokemon game?

Another important footnote nobody mentioned: Pokemon Quest is coming out tonight on switch for those interested.

Pokemon Quest is actually out on Switch right now, I just started downloading it.

 

[PSIguy89]

Honestly as much as I LOVE Pokémon as a series.....yeah this reveal felt very meh to me. And now with people confirming no normal wild battles or anything makes me really wonder how the pacing of the game will go. Not at all thrilled but I’m sure I’ll get one of the two when it releases. Also I’d love for them to atleast finally give us Gorochu

 

[Deleted member]

Could you give a source for that? Sorry I just want to make sure thats the truth.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Kind of a bummer, but not that bad when one considers the ones next year will for sure have it.

 

[Gameboi834]

By the way,I know we're all starved for news, but should we really even be posting about Pokémon here if it's not Smash 5 speculation?

 

[P.Kat]

"Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee look awful and boring!!!"

Look at this gif and say that to my goddamn face.

How can they do that when your trying to murder everyone with adorableness, no one will be left to say anything.

 

[Garteam]

I don't get the complaints of Kanto being remade again. FireRed/LeafGreen came out almost 14 years ago. It's been long enough to justify another remake for a younger generation.

Personally, I think the game looks ok. Its not the "blow your socks off" game everyone was expecting for Pokemon on the Switch, but it still looks ok. The only thing that has me concerned is every wild battle being luck based, that could get annoying for rare Pokemon or Pokemon with already high catch rates.

I don't know if Lets Go really ups Eevee's chances at DLC at all, especially since its technically Gen 7 and not Gen 8 like a lot of people were assuming. Plus, its in that weird pseudo-spinoff game space like Colosseum and XD, where the mechanics are kinda like the mainline games but at the same time not really. I think the safer bet is a Gen 8 'mon when that game comes out next year.

Also, getting rid of Leaf is sacrilege.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

By the way,I know we're all starved for news, but should we really even be posting about Pokémon here if it's not Smash 5 speculation?

who really cares at this point, when it comes to smash we've talked, multiple times I might add, about pretty much every topic we can.

 

[Nu~]

Nothing about Let's Go looks fun, though.

Now all I need is the Crash and Spyro leak to be real to lock my Switch up and go on a spiritual retreat.

Damn, that’s crazy b. You just gonna have to start packing now because my son Crash definitely needs to be in this game

But seriously, you that against Crash?? Why

 

[Zinith]

By the way,I know we're all starved for news, but should we really even be posting about Pokémon here if it's not Smash 5 speculation?

I think this still counts...

 

[SvartWolf]

Im torn regarding the lets go games... for starters, i like that eevee is being used as counterweight to pikachu, and im looking forward to new ways to interact to pokemon besides the battle system (although the last thing i want is teh battle system to get simplified, or screwed, but since this is not a core pokemon game shouldnt be a problem)

I like a lot the idea of enriching pokemon go (since pokemon go is a nice experiment, but isnt a game) and i understand that since is a new experience, there is a good chance that not every pokemon is there.

but why? WHY THE FRIGGIN 151??? i wouldnt mind if is only kanto. but could at least they could implemented the friggin baby pokemon into the respective friggin lines. and stop making clefairy, snorlax, chansey, electabuzz or pikachu a basic pokemon. and i dont think that they would alienated the fanbase by implementing stuff like magnezone, rhyperior, or the other eeveelutions... specially in a game around frigghin EEVEE!!!
Gosh... i hate pandering to genwunners... and this is coming from someone that actually played pokemon blue on a friggin gameboy with friggin link cables as a kid.

Still.. if they want to really make it pokemon go, the ACTUAL video game, I expect they will at least try to catch up with pokemon go gens. a "jhotho dlc or a hoenn dlc" wouldnt be bad...

oh, and smash stuff... yeah... definetly we arent getting a gen VIII pokemon for base roster.

 

[Deleted member]

"Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee look awful and boring!!!"

Look at this gif and say that to my goddamn face.

Honestly, this is probably what sold me on the game.

Cute things are my weakness. It's why I love franchises like Kirby, Pokemon and MLP; cute is an easy way to sell me something, lol.

 

[Pakky]

So I wonder if there will actually be more than 6 pokemon this time around?

I know "no cuts" were hinted at by Rogers but hmmm, things just seem to be moving along.

 

[ErenJager]

What is that 'P' leak people is talking about?

RelaxAlax (youtuber) claimed to know something.
Gave a hint saying P.

His favourite/ most wanted character is Paper Mario.
Take away from that what you will.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

So I wonder if there will actually be more than 6 pokemon this time around?

I know "no cuts" were hinted at by Rogers but hmmm, things just seem to be moving along.

I really can't see any of our current pokemon getting cut tbh. Either we get a 7th or we just keep the ones we have with no newcomer