Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Tree Gelbman]

Linkle being an alt for Link makes no sense.

They share nothing in common.

Her whole thing is she's not Link. She's just a quirky girl who thought she was the hero and did her best anyways.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Who do you guys think are the best 'dark horse'/rarely discussed character choices to get in this time around?
I'd say:
Pikachu Libre
Geralt (most unexpected yet somewhat plausible character, imo)
Joker/Atlus rep
Ryu Hayabusa (iconic, Ninja Gaiden 3 on Wii U, etc.)
Monita
Lana
Linkle
Zael (crossbow + sword + magic + Prank Banana)
Fatal Frame character

And lastly:

Galactic Federation Marine from Federation Force (I can hear the salt just by typing this)

Joker/Atlus character, Jack Frost would be my preference if not Joker

Linkle/Lana

A Kirby character who is not Bandana Dee

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The one thing that should be removed with large roster now is the fact that you have to play in classic/all star mode with every character to unlock one of challenges

Man that was not fun to do

These should be challenges not boring the player with something annoying

Sadly, that's a challenge that you have to do, if you expect to acquire all the fighter trophies.

 

[NintenZ]

I won’t say anything since I don’t want to spoil anything, but let’s just say that the Xenoblade 2 datamine makes me a little bit more hopeful about certain things.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Linkle being an alt for Link makes no sense.

They share nothing in common.

Her whole thing is she's not Link. She's just a quirky girl who thought she was the hero and did her best anyways.

They don't even share the same weapons.

Linkle doesn't use a sword or shield.

She uses dual crossbows.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Linkle being an alt for Link makes no sense.

They share nothing in common.

Her whole thing is she's not Link. She's just a quirky girl who thought she was the hero and did her best anyways.

Basially she's the Gwenpool to Link's Deadpool.

Unlinked in story (pardon the pun) even if they look similar.

 

[NintenRob]

Thanks to Mega Doomer, my latest roster has an image now.

Random would just have a slot off the roster

Notes:
Captain Toadette alt
Link still has Green Tunic as Alt
Zelda has botw outdoor outfit and her Royal dress
Sheik based on Sheikah armour from botw. Impa also appears. Similar to her Hyrule Warriors look, but wears Sheikah Armour to better match Sheiks hitbox
Ganondorf based on new design
Metroid cast based on Samus Returns
Villager based on new leaf
Star Fox based on Zero
Inkling Boy and Girl
Lara Croft has a modern and classic look
Clone corner is only really there to convey that they are clones.
Most special alt return from Smash Wii U.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Out of every franchise, which do you think has the best shot at getting two newcomers on the base roster?

I think Pokemon, Xeno, and Splatoon all have a decent chance, but if I had to choose only one, I'd say Pokemon. Any of you have a different opinion?

Mario, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Xeno but for some reason I feel Kirby may yet see two newcomers. Zelda SHOULD but again, I doubt it'll happen.

They don't even share the same weapons.

Linkle doesn't use a sword or shield.

She uses dual crossbows.

And good old fashion boots. To stomp on people's faces and dreams.

Who do you guys think are the best 'dark horse'/rarely discussed character choices to get in this time around?
I'd say:
Pikachu Libre
Geralt (most unexpected yet somewhat plausible character, imo)
Joker/Atlus rep
Ryu Hayabusa (iconic, Ninja Gaiden 3 on Wii U, etc.)
Monita
Lana
Linkle
Zael (crossbow + sword + magic + Prank Banana)
Fatal Frame character

And lastly:

Galactic Federation Marine from Federation Force (I can hear the salt just by typing this)

Slippy Toad(Starfox Guard was actually pretty good)
Blastoise(Pokken inclusion, always relevant)
Lana
Monita
Arcade Bunny
Fatal Frame protagonist
Nabbit(everyone's focused on Captain Toad, Waluigi, Daisy and Paper Mario, but let's not forget Nabbit also debuted in the Wii U period)
Kamek(Wooly World did well)
Poochy(see above)
Cranky Kong(everyone expecting Dixie and/or K. Rool)

 

[NintenZ]

Thanks to Mega Doomer, my latest roster has an image now.

View attachment 143919

Random would just have a slot off the roster

Notes:
Captain Toadette alt
Link still has Green Tunic as Alt
Zelda has botw outdoor outfit and her Royal dress
Sheik based on Sheikah armour from botw. Impa also appears. Similar to her Hyrule Warriors look, but wears Sheikah Armour to better match Sheiks hitbox
Ganondorf based on new design
Metroid cast based on Samus Returns
Villager based on new leaf
Star Fox based on Zero
Inkling Boy and Girl
Lara Croft has a modern and classic look
Clone corner is only really there to convey that they are clones.
Most special alt return from Smash Wii U.

I can understand Ribbon Girl and Isabelle but what’s the point of adding Daisy as a clone?

 

[TumblrFamous]

If we're talking dark horses, Ashley is rarely discussed as having a legitimate chance for whatever reason. She's certainly a character that could very well get overseen/retain her role as AT, but would be a rarely discussed character getting into the game.

 

[Cycrum]

When it comes to dark horses, Steve from Minecraft is not discussed as often as expected. Despite having a great impact on the survival and sandbox genres, still being a major part of Microsoft since their acquisition of Mojang, being basically the face of the indie genre, he is not talked about all that much. Although his fanbase is known for their extremely high NaCl levels, it is basically a non-issue. Also, his animations can be worked around as they were for Story Mode.

 

[PeridotGX]

Who do you guys think are the best 'dark horse'/rarely discussed character choices to get in this time around?
I'd say:
Pikachu Libre
Geralt (most unexpected yet somewhat plausible character, imo)
Joker/Atlus rep
Ryu Hayabusa (iconic, Ninja Gaiden 3 on Wii U, etc.)
Monita
Lana
Linkle
Zael (crossbow + sword + magic + Prank Banana)
Fatal Frame character

And lastly:

Galactic Federation Marine from Federation Force (I can hear the salt just by typing this)

Kamek. A full magic based character hasn't happened yet, and has had constant appearances in both the Mario and Yoshi series. Also Arcade Rabbit, who had a rather successful 3DS game and could represent that system. Lastly, Yarn Yoshi and Galacta Knight as clones.

 

[NintenZ]

A Kirby character who is not Bandana Dee

I don’t think there are many other options besides Bandana Dee, most of the other options are not very relevant (Cameos and DLC set aside), and it’s vey apparent that Dee is the fourth main character.

 

[Deleted member]

Do you know what we need?
We need customs to be fully unlocked and there for you.
Unlocking customs was torture.

 

[YoshiandToad]

If we're talking dark horses, Ashley is rarely discussed as having a legitimate chance for whatever reason. She's certainly a character that could very well get overseen/retain her role as AT, but would be a rarely discussed character getting into the game.

Ashley's popularity has been a bit of a weird one to me as obviously in her game, you don't tend to play as her aside from the very latest game (we don't talk about Game and Wario) but rather a selection of vaguely spooky microgames.
I understand she IS the most popular, but I'm not sure what gives her more appeal over all the other Warioware colourful cast, only that she has it amongst the fanbase.

I mean aside from her theme tune. Can anyone explain it?

 

[TumblrFamous]

When it comes to dark horses, Steve from Minecraft is not discussed as often as expected. Despite having a great impact on the survival and sandbox genres, still being a major part of Microsoft since their acquisition of Mojang, being basically the face of the indie genre, he is not talked about all that much. Although his fanbase is known for their extremely high NaCl levels, it is basically a non-issue. Also, his animations can be worked around as they were for Story Mode.

I actively decide to live in a blissful denial that Steve from Minecraft is actually a contender for Smash.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I get the impression that the people that don't want the Bandanna Waddle Dee have not played the games where he's playable in, so they don't understand the appeal at all and just view him as just another Waddle Dee.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

If we're talking dark horses, Ashley is rarely discussed as having a legitimate chance for whatever reason. She's certainly a character that could very well get overseen/retain her role as AT, but would be a rarely discussed character getting into the game.

Ashley could be fun but I don't really think the wario series doesn't really needs more characters, it's a pretty small mario sub-series and wario just does fine representing it by himself imo. I think the could make her an interesting fighter with the whole summoner trope though.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I get the impression that the people that don't want the Bandanna Waddle Dee have not played the games where he's playable in, so they don't understand the appeal at all and just view him as just another Waddle Dee.

Eh no. I've played both main series games he's playable in and still don't see the appeal. In fact, Star Allies dream friend dlc made me see the appeal of Marx and even Gooey.

However that doesn't mean that I don't think he's the most likely 4th Kirby representitive and the most deserving. If the Kirby series only gets one character I'll be shocked it's not bandana dee. But it's not fair to say that people who would rather another Kirby character just see bandana dee as another waddle dee.

 

[DJ3DS]

I don't know about most likely to get 2 extra characters, but DK is certainly my most wanted. KKR and Dixie are two fantastic characters, and Cranky would also be hilarious. On top of this there's so much stuff from DK (like the animal buddies and the barrels) that haven't even been touched upon yet.

Just let the Funky meme die.

 

[Ridel]

Cranky needs to be added for pseudo Scrooge Mcduck representation.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

What Xenoblade datamine would reveal anything about Rex and Pyra's chances in Smash lol?

 

[ErenJager]

Who do you guys think are the best 'dark horse'/rarely discussed character choices to get in this time around?
I'd say:
Pikachu Libre
Geralt (most unexpected yet somewhat plausible character, imo)
Joker/Atlus rep
Ryu Hayabusa (iconic, Ninja Gaiden 3 on Wii U, etc.)
Monita
Lana
Linkle
Zael (crossbow + sword + magic + Prank Banana)
Fatal Frame character

And lastly:

Galactic Federation Marine from Federation Force (I can hear the salt just by typing this)

Pretty much anything from Namco.
Maybe Tamagotchi or Tamagotchi related.

 

[NintenRob]

I can understand Ribbon Girl and Isabelle but what’s the point of adding Daisy as a clone?

I just looked at possible costumes. And to me, Daisy is single-handedly the most likely new character costume for veterans. Swap Hearts for flowers and remove the randomness of plucking and forward Smash can just be one item.

I considered Impa, but I wanted to avoid another Zelda clone.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Ashley's popularity has been a bit of a weird one to me as obviously in her game, you don't tend to play as her aside from the very latest game (we don't talk about Game and Wario) but rather a selection of vaguely spooky microgames.
I understand she IS the most popular, but I'm not sure what gives her more appeal over all the other Warioware colourful cast, only that she has it amongst the fanbase.

I mean aside from her theme tune. Can anyone explain it?

Simple, she's the moe one. (compare the lyrics of her Japanese and English songs, quite different).
Apparently she shows up a lot in the Japanese Nintendo newsletter too.

Can't speak for everyone here but that's the image I get from looking at her wider popularity.

 

[Ridel]

I do think Klonoa is slightly slept on. Though his popularity isn't very high, he is a very practical second Namco character. He would just fit right at home with the rest of the cast as well as bring an interesting fighting style with his Wing Ring giving him different utilities.

 

[Deleted member]

Just let the Funky meme die.

Bruh. Why you gotta be like that.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I get the impression that the people that don't want the Bandanna Waddle Dee have not played the games where he's playable in, so they don't understand the appeal at all and just view him as just another Waddle Dee.

It honestly is just another waddle dee.

I get it, the character has quirks and charisma that set it aside from the others. However, that doesn’t make an appealing character; YOU liking it doesn’t make it a good idea.

Thing about it from a different perspective. Design, it’s another sphere. The average player will think “is that Kirby?”. The name, bandana waddle dee. It doesn’t roll off the tounge well, and has the most syllables out of any character in the smash series, and when you’re trying to market something, simplicity and distinguishing characteristics matter. And I’m really reaching here, but he’s lokey generic as ****—I can’t front, that’s just how I feel. I mean, I want a Super Metroid Space Pirate in smash, I think it would be dope, but it probably won’t happen. Villager is an exception, since he’s basically your protagonist.

I know I sound like a **** right now, but I’m personally at the point where the characters don’t get in don’t matter to me much. A lot of people honestly don’t have THAT much love for these characters. Why talk about how much you love Duck Hunt and end up playing Bayonetta? What the ****? lol I’m just saying you never know what you’ll like in the end.

I’m just curious about Link, though.

 

[Wyoming]

Characters people are sleeping on? Hmmm...gonna attempt one character per series if possible.

Super Mario: hmmm nobody particularly stands out here. Daisy, Waluigi, Captain Toad, Paper Mario, and Geno are the frontrunners around and people expect one or two from that list. Be a shocker if anyone else makes the cut.

Donkey Kong: Cranky Kong - he is the original DK canonically and was recently playable in Tropical Freeze.

Legend of Zelda: Toon Zelda (somewhat) - was planned before, and if Zelda gets a move set change, she seems like someone that could inherit her previous move set if that's something Sakurai wants to do.

Metroid: None, really. Maybe Dark Samus a bit, although I don't see that happening.

Kirby: Bandana Dee or nothing here, I feel. The Star Allies came way too late to gain traction imo.

Star Fox: Slippy Toad - Star Fox Guard a big reason, as well as being well known. Kind of held back by Wolf somewhat, though.

Pokemon: Incineroar and Primarina. Both have popularity (I think even more than Decidueye) and Incineroar has some marketing based around him. I also think Rowlet is being slept on. It's certainly possible HE gets in. HE is the popular one, after all.

F-Zero: Blood Falcon. Who you say? The guy who's suit and emblem inspired the purple Falcon costume. For some reason, this was completely changed for Smash 4. Bummer...he could have been an alt turned character if relevant I think.

Mother: None. If we get one it's Ninten or Porky - both are fairly discussed.

Fire Emblem: None. It's either Celica, Lyn, or none here. Maybe Alm and Fjorm could be considered, but I doubt it.

Xenoblade: yeah it's Elma or Rex here. No contest.

Animal Crossing: Tom Nook, perhaps? He was the poster boy for Brawl speculation here. Isabelle, however, seems to have usurped him completely which harms his chances.

Kid Icarus: Hades or Viridi are expected. Medusa has seniority, but Uprising's plot basically made her a no mark. So none.

Pikmin: None. Either Alph becomes his own character or Olimar remains alone.

WarioWare: Mona seems to have gone under the radar due to Ashley. She's Wario's main sidekick after all.

Punch-Out!!: well really every character here is being slept on. Simply cannot see another character from Punch-Out being a character.

Retro: Bubbles from Clu Clu Land. Considered once, included in NES Remix, and a retro character with some inspiration to draw from.

Third party: Steve from Minecraft is a good shout. These are insanely hard to call and I think most third parties that are possible are discussed on here somewhat enough.

 

[Munomario777]

I don't know how someone's meant to confuse Kirby with a Waddle Dee lmao. By that logic we've got stuff like Mario and Luigi already, who are way more similar than Kirby and a Waddle Dee. Same color skin, same basic face structure, same presence of a magnificent stache, same clothing (sans color)... all of these are traits that Kirby and Bandana Dee do not share.

The name would be "Bandana Dee" most likely, not "Bandana Waddle Dee." The latter wouldn't even be the longest name a character in Smash 4 has; the space princess is officially called "Rosalina and Luma" both by the announcer and by her in-game text (like on the character select screen and in the middle of battles). Seven syllables as opposed to the six you were talking about.

Finally, in the Kirby series, Bandana Dee is definitely considered a separate entity from the generic enemies, and he's a reoccurring character at this point. He's like the Captain Toad of Waddle Dees, more or less.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

It honestly is just another waddle dee.

He really isn't though. He's even got a confirmed gender and rank.

He's plot relevant.

Thing about it from a different perspective. Design, it’s another sphere. The average player will think “is that Kirby?”

Holding a spear and with a hat.

There are arguments against Bandana Dee, but looks ain't one of them. He's distinct enough.

It doesn’t roll off the tounge well

Ban-da-na-wa-ddle-dee Six syllables.
M-R.-Game-&-Watch Five syllables

Your statement is technically true but...

It's kind of a moot point. The audience isn't going to care about how many syllables something has. They didn't for .

and when you’re trying to market something, simplicity and distinguishing characteristics matter.

He would be the only spear user on the roster.

That IS a major distinguishing characteristic.

You can look at the roster and see that no one else has it.

And a spear isn't exactly easy to miss. Especially when BWD is as small as he is.

A lot of people honestly don’t have THAT much love for these characters.

Now this I take major issue with.

Who are you to say that people don't love these characters that much?

People do love these characters. It's why they ask for them.

Heck BWD is my favorite Kirby character ever cause he's just so cute.

This makes you seem like a tool. Don't be a tool Eternal.






Also hi, long time no see.

 

[monadoboy]

What Xenoblade datamine would reveal anything about Rex and Pyra's chances in Smash lol?

Not Rex and Pyra. It's heavy DLC spoiler territory, so be warned:

Spoiler: Spoilers for unreleased and unannounced Xenoblade 2 DLC content

Big spoiler down there in gray
Don't read if you want to be surprised or anything
Last warning

It's Fiora. She's apparently going to appear as a Blade alongside Monado boy.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I don't know how someone's meant to confuse Kirby with a Waddle Dee lmao. By that logic we've got stuff like Mario and Luigi already, who are way more similar than Kirby and a Waddle Dee. Same color skin, same basic face structure, same presence of a magnificent stache, same clothing (sans color)... all of these are traits that Kirby and Bandana Dee do not share.

No mention of these guys?






Similar character designs are already a thing.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

He really isn't though. He's even got a confirmed gender and rank.

He's plot relevant.

Holding a spear and with a hat.

There are arguments against Bandana Dee, but looks ain't one of them. He's distinct enough.


Ban-da-na-wa-ddle-dee Six syllables.
M-R.-Game-&-Watch Five syllables

Your statement is technically true but...

It's kind of a moot point. The audience isn't going to care about how many syllables something has. They didn't for .


He would be the only spear user on the roster.

That IS a major distinguishing characteristic.

You can look at the roster and see that no one else has it.

And a spear isn't exactly easy to miss. Especially when BWD is as small as he is.


Now this I take major issue with.

Who are you to say that people don't love these characters that much?

People do love these characters. It's why they ask for them.

Heck BWD is my favorite Kirby character ever cause he's just so cute.

This makes you seem like a tool. Don't be a tool Eternal.






Also hi, long time no see.

Yeah it’s good to see you too but don’t do that to me b. Don’t break up what I’m saying. It’s simple to make something sound ridiculous by forcing things out of perspective. C’mon man.

I’m not being a tool, rather I’m just telling it straight. I know it sounds ridiculous but we live in a generation where a lot of people don’t even know who these characters are and you can throw in some mf’s from fortnite and people will know off the top who they are. Not only that, but there are people who really can’t tell these characters apart. Me and you can distinguish between Marth, Lucina and Ike, but a lot of people can’t. Really.

But as far as the character love is concerned, it’s there, but for all intensive purposes of us being here with a predominance of competitive super smash bros players, love won’t get you the W. For example, I love Falco, and will play him every game. I loved him since the Original Star Fox for SNES because my mom worked in aviation, and that fascination led me to the series, and ended up being one of my favorites. The first character I picked in Super Smash Bros., period, was Fox. I play Fox and Falco in every game because of it, and while Falco doesn’t have the greatest amount of tools in Smash 4, I still stick to my guns, but I don’t expect to do well against an experienced player who can mess up fast-fallers. It is what it is. And what happens is a lot of these players will simply pick a better one. It happens in all games. People playing Tekken 7 are playing Leo, HookGangGod, a notable Piccolo player is considering picking up Cell (Arguably the best character), and a lot of smash 4 players have picked up Cloud and Bayonnetta. I love so many characters in smash but I’ll never go Jigglypuff against MK Leo.

Glad to see things haven’t changed in this camp.

Edit: I typed in “Marth” and it autocorrected to “smarty”. Really...

I don't know how someone's meant to confuse Kirby with a Waddle Dee lmao. By that logic we've got stuff like Mario and Luigi already, who are way more similar than Kirby and a Waddle Dee. Same color skin, same basic face structure, same presence of a magnificent stache, same clothing (sans color)... all of these are traits that Kirby and Bandana Dee do not share.

The name would be "Bandana Dee" most likely, not "Bandana Waddle Dee." The latter wouldn't even be the longest name a character in Smash 4 has; the space princess is officially called "Rosalina and Luma" both by the announcer and by her in-game text (like on the character select screen and in the middle of battles). Seven syllables as opposed to the six you were talking about.

Finally, in the Kirby series, Bandana Dee is definitely considered a separate entity from the generic enemies, and he's a reoccurring character at this point. He's like the Captain Toad of Waddle Dees, more or less.

I’m sorry bro but you can’t compare Mario and Luigi, two of the most famous video gaming icons on the earth for the sake of your argument. I mean I get how, but think about who these characters are lol.

You’re right about Rosalina and Luma but what if I play the Japanese Version? Gotcha lol.

Look man, if Samurai Goroh, Lyn, Isaac, Waluigi, or even another Kirby character who I believe would deserve to make it, Knuckle Joe, can’t become playable characters, all of who are unique in their own regard, why would they add a character who by the average non-gaming-non-forum-dwelling consumer is virtually indistinguishable? And even more so, what does this character bring to the table to enrich the series or market future games? There’s a lot of things that go behind these decisions than move sets and raw emotion.

Personally, I’ve made peace with the possibility that some characters may never show up, or even get removes. I love Cloud, Ryu and Roy a lot, but they might not make it if some licensing issues arise. Maybe I’m a bit...detached, to wanting characters in smash? But that’s helped me look at things more clearly. If there are chances for characters, odds are they will have to be redesigned to look appealing. Look at Pit, and later Zero Suit Samus and Roy. I’m not sure if everyone is gonna be cool with a waddle dee with a bandana when you got Meta Knight to fulfill a weapons wielding ball character.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Not Rex and Pyra. It's heavy DLC spoiler territory, so be warned:

Spoiler: Spoilers for unreleased and unannounced Xenoblade 2 DLC content

Big spoiler down there in gray
Don't read if you want to be surprised or anything
Last warning

It's Fiora. She's apparently going to appear as a Blade alongside Monado boy.

That's awesome, but I don't think that means anything when it comes to Smash Brothers.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

That's awesome, but I don't think that means anything when it comes to Smash Brothers.

Let us Fiora fans dream lmao, although at this point her best chance is probably being an elma clone

 

[Nekoo]

No mention of these guys?






Similar character designs are already a thing.

Please tell me you were sarcastic.

 

[NintenRob]

Look man, if Samurai Goroh, Lyn, Isaac, Waluigi, or even another Kirby character who I believe would deserve to make it, Knuckle Joe, can’t become playable characters, all of who are unique in their own regard, why would they add a character who by the average non-gaming-non-forum-dwelling consumer is virtually indistinguishable? And even more so, what does this character bring to the table to enrich the series or market future games? There’s a lot of things that go behind these decisions than move sets and raw emotion.

Bandana Waddle Dee is above each of those characters in importance, and only Waluigi would be more iconic and simply because he's a Mario character. Most of those are more iconic than you average Smash.

Return to Dreamland, Triple Deluxe and Planet Robobot have all sold over a million, Star Allies probably has already too and Bandana Dee And Knuckle Joe shouldn't even be a serious contender. He actually is a generic enemy. The closest he's had to a stand out was the anime, and I guess the helper to hero opening cinematic. He's appeared in every physically released game since Return to Dreamland and was even used to help promote some of them, especially Battle Royale where he and Susie straight up commentated over a trailer.

Bandana Dee is undisputedly the fourth core member now and is constantly placed alongside the other 3.

 

[Munomario777]

As True Blue Warrior mentioned earlier, Mario and Luigi are far from the only similarly-designed pair in Smash. Ness and Lucas, Robin and Corrin, Marth / Ike / Lucina / Roy... I wonder if maybe they only share a design style because they come from the same series? Who knows.

In the Japanese version, they're called "Rosetta and Chiko," which has six syllables.

Bandana Dee is about as recognizable as you'll get for a Kirby character. Anyone who plays a Kirby game will see a Waddle Dee at some point, and more attentive players will recognize Bandana Dee himself too since he appears all over the place. Another "selling point" is his spear, a weapon class no other Smasher wields. Kind of like how Greninja is the first fighter to primarily use water, Wii Fit Trainer is the first to use yoga poses, or Palutena is the first staff user. Not every newcomer needs some super-deep reason that they'll "enrich" the Smash series lmao.

I'm honestly not super invested in which characters get in or not either, I largely enjoy Smash more for its gameplay and what already is here if that makes any sense. And yet for whatever reason I'm not as enlightened as you seem to be.

As far as Meta Knight goes, "weapon-wielding" accounts for like, a good third of the playable cast lmao. "Ball-shaped" shouldn't matter much when many of Smash 4's cast share the same realistic proportions.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Out of every franchise, which do you think has the best shot at getting two newcomers on the base roster?

I think Pokemon, Xeno, and Splatoon all have a decent chance, but if I had to choose only one, I'd say Pokemon. Any of you have a different opinion?

I think the series that might get two newcomers in the base could probably be Donkey Kong. Dixie's added in the base roster thanks to the relevance of Tropical Freeze on Switch, and K. Rool gets added in through his insane popularity through the ballot.

Other than that, I'd say Xenoblade could end up with the "Why not both" option with Elma and Rex & Pyra. Kirby might get a second character alongside Bandanna Waddle Dee in my opinion too; perhaps either Magolor or Marx.

Also I'm also gonna try and give a roster soon too. Let's see what I can come up with.