Smash Clash: The Mobile Multiplayer Platformer Fighting Game

[jdawg99]

Thanks for the input. I'll post later about this issue when I have time haha.

 

[CrossoverMan]

Oh my god InnerMobius, thank you for making that! If you could make her teeth a little bigger and give her even squintier eyes then that would be perfect! Queenie Linguine may be the next challenger...

 

[CrossoverMan]

D-D-D-DOUBLE POST!!!

 

[InnerMobius]

Oh my god InnerMobius, thank you for making that! If you could make her teeth a little bigger and give her even squintier eyes then that would be perfect! Queenie Linguine may be the next challenger...

Better?


EDIT:

I have to leave for a while, but I started throwing together a body for her(without arms yet).

Trying to keep it simple at least for now until all the poses are made, then extra details can be added if necessary.

I know it needs work, just a progress report.

 

[CrossoverMan]

Yes, thanks!

 

[CrossoverMan]

I'm likin' it!

 

[Karakato Dzo]

So she's going to be one of those bulky fighter types I see? The head is great, though I think it would look somewhat better if the upper lip was a bit thicker. Like cut 1 pixel length off the top of the teeth. I'll save my feedback on the body till you finish everything but so far its turning out pretty well.

Also, thanks for the tidbits you gave about spriting a character, I found it to be helpful in finishing most of the unnamed Smokey character's spritesheet.

 

[Daedra]

Damn this seems pretty cool, unfortunately I have an iOS device, but i'll definitely still be checking in on what's going on. Keep up the work this is a great idea.

 

[jdawg99]

That may work, but would definitely interfere with hard-button controls.

Also, another bug pertaining to those controls is Flare doesn't have the ability to move side-to-side midair with hard-mapped directional buttons


EDIT: Cabunga Toons, no offense man, really and honestly don't take personal offense to this, but those images are just horrid... they're not really sprites, just small mspaint drawings. You should look up some tutorials on spriting and try again.

This is something I was working on before I left for my road trip (which I'm currently still on) that matches the other two character's graphic style:

Crossoverman's Queenie Linguine concept was (loosely)used as the basis for this, and sure it's just one single head sprite but it's just an example for now. I think the character ideas should be submitted as single 'Wait' sprites to be judged by the fans here before a pixel artist spends too much time on making all the poses for a character just for it to be "boo'd offstage" so to speak.

Just to explain a little further how this matches the art style of the characters shown:

When placed next to Flare or Karakato's character, the pixel aspect ratio is the same. That means that the sprite will seem natural next to the others. Each pixel is the same size as the pixels on another character.

There are limited palettes. I believe I have 4 skin tones for her, and usually you use 3. 4 can work if you need it. Sprites for the most part only have 16 colors (unless it's for a newer generation game, which this is, and I'm sure this will be an exception to that rule.) Notice that Black is only used on the outline and for showing contrast for SOME features, not all. And there aren't random 2x2 squares of black, that looks very sloppy.

When your sprite is animated, as it naturally will be by turning left and right and using different moves, things need to line up. The eyes and mouth are the first thing that you can see in your sprites that don't work, automatically. They're not even relatively on the same part of the face. You may find making sprites in at least 3 directions (left, down(toward camera) and right) in walking animations and turning it into a GIF may help you with this.

Another thing to look out for is blurry sprites. Right now I've yet to see a crisp/clean version of Flare (in-game and spritesheet I was supplied with were both blurry)

This happens by resizing the sprites in photoshop or another such program with antialiasing on usually. The best way to resize a sprite, if you have to at all, is to go into paint and resize it by numbers like 200%, 300%, etc etc. That way when you need to make it smaller again, you end up with your original sprite instead of a blob of colors that somewhat resembles your pixel art.

Here's an example:

Notice Flare has boxes around him and nothing is quite as crisp as on the other two characters.

To keep this game consistently looking great, all of these things have to be taken into consideration, so long as you're using 2D sprites.



This is another great point, but not always true. For mid and small size characters, a 60x60 px box for each frame of animation is perfect, but when creating heavy characters (like Bowser for instance) you'd need to add to it, yet keep the pixel-size ratio the same as the other characters. this is especially important because of Smash Clash's dynamic camera, where you can zoom in and see the characters better.

EDIT AGAIN:

To elaborate on the pixel-aspect ratio even further, here's a diagram. This is what you DONT want to see with pixel comparisons for different characters. You want each "1PX" to be the same size on both characters at all times, allow for the dynamic camera to be the only thing that changes this.

Otherwise, Crossoverman's observation would not change.

I figured out why Flare was blurry. I had compressed a lot of the images in the game because it was over 50mg (can't upload to Google play if it's that big). This is be fixed soon. The stages were also blurred because of this.

@CabungaToons 's character isn't being animated right now. There are also issues right now with rights as he didn't specify whether he was allowed to use this character (apparently the green guy is called "Eddie" from an animated series). So CabungaToons and I would need to sort that out.

Also the picture with the grey and green character in it were made on a photoshop application on my android while I was bored. That's why the size of the pictures don't match up. It was just to get a feel of what they would look like in game. I'll work on scaling them more correctly too so the pixels line up.

awesome work btw @ InnerMobius

 

[CrossoverMan]

Pretty cool that we have a crossover character already! CabungaToons is apparently an official thing, soooo....

 

[InnerMobius]

Just an update, reformed her body and face since now I'm back from my road trip and I have a little more time to be delicate. Still needs arms lol.

EDIT: The example with Peach's colors looks like the German woman in 50 First Dates lmao

Spoiler

 

[jdawg99]

@ InnerMobius Not going to lie, she sort of looks like a guy. Or is she supposed to??...

 

[InnerMobius]

@ InnerMobius Not going to lie, she sort of looks like a guy. Or is she supposed to??...

Well she's intentionally ugly :D

 

[CrossoverMan]

@ InnerMobius Not going to lie, she sort of looks like a guy. Or is she supposed to??...

I bit. That's kind of how I described her. I like those alternate costumes!

 

[InnerMobius]

Now that I'm thinking about it, she may need to be shorter. Does this look bad, anyone? I think I may go with the shorter ones.

 

[Karakato Dzo]

She's looking pretty good (though not in a beautiful kind of way) I was thinking what if her head was a bit lower she would look bulkier and squat something like the Bean Queen from the Mario and Luigi RPG game. I dunno, it would make her seem less dainty and girly and more of a brute. Also I think her animation needs something more. Try making her arms (and maybe head) move independently from her body as she moves up and down. Also do you think you can make her pole move at different angles, though just a bit?

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Could I get a request? (I actually have this game on my phone BTW.)

Can I get a Lucario in a Goku outfit? :D

 

[InnerMobius]

No, that would be copyright infringement.

 

[jdawg99]

@ InnerMobius I don't really like how her face is ugly. Am I the only one who thinks that? Why not just have a pretty princess character in the game?

 

[InnerMobius]

@ InnerMobius I don't really like how her face is ugly. Am I the only one who thinks that? Why not just have a pretty princess character in the game?

I was just going on CrossoverMan's suggestion. If I completely redesigned her she may look weird, but if you want that I'll give it a go.

 

[Karakato Dzo]

I kinda like that there's a non pretty female fighter, like a satire to the cliche of pretty princesses. There's still a slot anyway for the inevitable busty female character. One of which is a Neko girl of the handful of character concepts I plan to sprite after I finish the unnamed Smoky character.

@ jdawg99 did you get the dropbox link I shared to you the other day and were the files in perfect quality?

EDIT: Concerning how some are not comfy with the Queen's design. Would she look better if her Buck teeth were toned down?

 

[CrossoverMan]

I don't really want her to be changed. The ugliness is intentional, and to parody pretty princesses like Peach. Why not include a normal pretty princess in the game as a separate character? If we just keep with all the generic gaming stereotypes thiugh, the game could lose its appeal.

 

[CrossoverMan]

And isn't making all of the women pretty a rather bad message to people? Not every woman in videogames has to look like a model.

 

[CrimsonDivine]

Like the design, think it's hilarious. Only thing I would change is the name.

 

[CrossoverMan]

Her name could probably be shortened, but her full title would be Queenie Liguine.

 

[InnerMobius]

Yeah, I'm not too fond of the name either honestly but the concept I am in favor of.

Original -> Smaller mouth with different upper lip -> small mouth closed.

I think the middle and right ones look better and can go together, opinions?

 

[Karakato Dzo]

Yes, the middle sprite does look better. What if you were to lower the head a little bit similar to the post I made earlier? Would a squat/ bulkier look suit her? As for her name, I too think she needs to have it changed.

 

[InnerMobius]

Being a parody of the Queen, I think her head being a little higher adds to her stuck-up pompousness. If the general consensus is to lower it, sure thing.

 

[Karakato Dzo]

Actually, I was thinking that the higher posture makes her seem majestic and prim/proper. Adding to the slouch/stubbiness only clashes to that perception of a Royal family member.

 

[InnerMobius]

Lowered her head 1 pixel and made her side-profile head. Good?

 

[CrossoverMan]

Her shortened name for the selection screen could just be Queenie. Sound good?

 

[Karakato Dzo]

@ InnerMobius That looks great though will her body also turn slightly sideways too? Also as for the name, I think it should reflect her purple color and ugly looks and her staff... How about, Queen Poisma or the Royal Paine? Still need to hear from the main dev if he approves though.

 

[CrossoverMan]

Those names sound alright, but I don't know if any of those names would fit on the select screen. I mean, most people are going to be playing this game on a tiny screen remember. Perhaps Queenie could have a sprite clone character with one of those names? I like the Royal Paine.

 

[InnerMobius]

@ InnerMobius That looks great though will her body also turn slightly sideways too?

of course, I only showed what the head looked like on a body

EDIT:

Here ya go, actually.

I realize there are black spots on that gif that shouldn't be there (mainly in the teeth) but it's just the gif, not the sprites themselves.

EDIT 2:

(Just to compare with Karakato's GIF)

 

[jdawg99]

@ InnerMobius Before you animate anymore, I think we need to work on the face. I'm thinking more like the character of the fairy godmother from shrek.

@ Karakato Dzo Yes I did. I haven't had time to look at them though. These next few weeks are really busy for me. I should be able to get back to work on the game after this.

 

[CrimsonDivine]

Ooo staff wielding ugly fairy queen?

 

[CrossoverMan]

@ InnerMobius Before you animate anymore, I think we need to work on the face. I'm thinking more like the character of the fairy godmother from shrek.

@ Karakato Dzo Yes I did. I haven't had time to look at them though. These next few weeks are really busy for me. I should be able to get back to work on the game after this.

Can we please have a pretty fairy godmother as a separate character, because I think Queenie looks perfect at the moment, and I think most other people agree.

 

[InnerMobius]

I still prefer the uglier one, but here's what it looks like:

 

[CrossoverMan]

Uglier one please. That was the whole point of this design. InnerMobius, for the love of god and mary jesus, do not change her.

@ jdawg99 what do you hate about her face? She is meant to be an ugly character.

 

[InnerMobius]

But then there's always room for compromise, too.