I'm just saying. You're acting as if Ganon will be defeated in one hit by Mario,
Last I checked I haven't said anything about Ganondorf being defeated in one hit by Mario actually; I'm merely saying that he is "destined" to lose because so far you haven't brought up anything Mario hasn't dealt with before with that huge list some of you have.
you assume that I'm doing the same to Mario.
That is because you guys (well I'm not sure 100% with you, I'm not always 100% paying attention to who is posting what at least here) have actually said it so far or heavily implied it in this thread, in case you haven't noticed that.
More than once as well actually; I mean on top of everything the worse so far IMO was acting like Ganondorf living from a dragon's fire was a big deal and you compared it to Mario's durability, despite the fact that the number of fire breathing things like that on Mario's list includes more than just Bowser (who pretty much beats that Dragon or is tied with it IMO anyway).
Samus has better weaponry, better stamina, and better skills than Mario, thus can defeat him more easily than he could defeat her. Simple as that.
Mario has the power of the heavens as part of his weaponry in case you've missed several of my posts pointing that out.
Mario also has a high stamina, in the third Mario and Luigi game, he could withstand (for the most part) a dark energy blast from the Dark Star when Luigi had a difficult time shaking it off. Hell, Mario has to at least have to have "protection" around Samus' varia suit at least (of cource, it is more than that if you look at some other examples he has, but I’ll get to them later) based off some of the things he can do in extreme temps (such as not be bothered by them).
Going on about Mario’s endurance, he has withstood attacks from a being that can consume time and space (Culex), when btw has Samus done that?
Oh and what makes you think she has better "skills" than Mario?
the topic of her invincibility has been argued to death and back, and you keep coming back to your same arguments.
Oh, you mean the arguments about it that make sense: such as there is a more logical reason for why Samus is plowing through foes when using the speed booster in game and why she might not get hurt because of it (even though there are things that can cause her damage), or how invincibility is a common thing put into platform games for helping the player?
Get over the fact that the character(s) you prefer won't always win, and that some characters have broken abilities.
Mario has potentially unlimited invincibility actually if you want to get into these debates about who has “a better invincibility” more, so how is that going to allow him to lose at all.
Oh and the main reason I’m pissed at the invincibility argument is because a lot of the characters that have it (Diddy Kong) are only getting wins because of it vs. clearly superior fighters (Falcon).
Plus another reason the argument is stupid is because it takes away from other skills the character might have that are clearly stronger/better than it. Stone/metal Kirby sucks for one thing compared to pretty much every other ability he has, but does anyone talk about them that much after talking about stone/metal?
Samus' speed booster has been stated to give her invincibility and hasn't been said otherwise/contradicted thus far.
Except for the fact that it has been talked about IN GAME (not just an instruction book) with what the speed booster really is and Adam in MF never thought for some reason that invincibility was an important fact to mention with the thing. So, why was that left out? Just wondering, it sure would seem to be important to talk about if you ask me.
Plus on top of that Metroid is trying to be a “realistic” game to a point (or at least as realistic as you can get with sci-fi, nukes don’t work that way is all I’m saying), there are actual explanations for why Samus’ things work, they have given plenty of “reasoning” for why Samus can do plenty of things, even her morph ball.
Why would a series that is being “realistic” to a point give for a way on how things work not give any reason at all for why Samus is “invincible” while using the speed booster?
then why can't Samus get the SM Speed Booster, which is stated to give her invincibility?
Oh and btw, the SM Speed Booster that you are talking about, only the instruction booklet says that it is invincibility. There were plenty of other official media sources for when Super Metroid came out that never brought up invincibility; and their stuff they were talking about came from the people that made it. The thing they got closer to talking about was supersonic speed.
Invincibility/invulnerability exist in their games
For helping the player only, even when the stuff is talked about in game, there still is a reason that it is not “real” invincibility (Kirby’s stone/metal, please find me an invincible Kirby enemy if you really want me to think that it is “real”).
But whatever, if you really think Invincibility/invulnerability is really in their game, I guess you must think bottomless pits are real as well, or for some reason are ok with Kirby dying in on. You must be a fan of buildings having bottomless pits and spike traps as well huh?
Sonic and Samus(and anyone else I'm missing who can run that fast) can jump canyons/mountains/pits/etc., and hell, they're restricted by the games.
Oh and you think Mario isn’t being restricted by the games?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4j7bwFDnoQ&feature=related
The guy who made this says it right away in his comments
Oh and I don’t see how Mario is unable to move fast through mountains and such as well, It seems more along the line that the player is really the one who is restricted when you see some of the Mario 64 runs, and you look at what Mario can do in various cutscenes for some other things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeRO1g9UT3A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POOMF_klGoY&feature=related
I'd think she'd come out on top. Mario's not a pushover, but he can't constantly fight a planet destroying machine forever.
So the whole Star Child thing and how they are universal influences keeps slipping past people in this thread huh?
but the odds are in the basically demon thief king God He-Man pig thing right now.
Yes, because your little list of Ganon abilities sounds so deadly to Mario, what with how he has dealt with all of them in some way or another >_>
Oh and Samus beats Ganondorf IMO, just saying overall.
EVERYTHING Ganon did in his game(like claiming the Triforce, almost destroyed the world, cursing entire dimensions and even ruling them) is just minor for clinton.
Maybe it is because Mario has dealt with things that have done that as well? Maybe you didn't notice that for some reason.
And he ignored my points and always accused me of thinking that Ganon is better than the three goddesses even though I never said something like this or meant it.
This is the quote you brought up:
he was so dangerous that the gods had to flood their entire world just to get rid of him and it didn't even worked.
I’ll admit that you are not directly saying that Ganondorf is better than the gods, but it felt to me that you were thinking the gods flooding the world was a big deal to the gods. So that was why I felt like pointing out that Bowser has pretty much bested his universe’s gods to the point where they BEGGED Mario for help in stopping him in PM (of course according to SMG there may be a stronger force than the star rod, because Bowser sure was a bigger threat in that game).
My point with my reply was that I have yet to see the gods of Zelda need any help in dealing with Ganondorf themselves, they either just watch as he fails, or after winning let him have his fun for a while before they get sick of hearing people ***** about Ganondorf being an ****er and take matters into their own hands, which is like nothing to them.
Oh and I like how you said I ignored your points though, that is the best part. I’m sorry if I point out that Bowser has beat the gods and Ganondorf hasn’t is ignoring your points, or how Mario has been sent to hell and made it back, and so on.
He has shown to have invincibility(like Starman or Boo Sheet). However those things are limited.
Yes: Starman, red essence, the ghost hat, the metal hat (same argument that I keep saying is BS for Kirby when it comes to the hats, but if you guys are going to use them I'm going to use them), and so on being able to be recharged an unlimited number of times sure is limited.
Of course, you are going to ignore this anyway because you think I'm ignoring you (fun fact I'm not, its just that Mario's list of impressive canon info beats Ganondorf's impressive canon info in more than just number, fun fact the universe being at risk is a larger threat than just a world threat) so I don't know why I even responded to you.