Smash Bros. Canon Tournament! (Mario Vs. ????) - 06/14/10

[REL38]

Machamp had a base attack stat of 130.

It can apparently move mountains, punch 1000 in 2 seconds and his punches are impossible to defend against, according to the Pokedex.
But it still loses to a Rattata?

lolwut?

 

[missingnomaster]

And Tyranitar has an indestructible body and can knock down mountains with one hand.

 

[Samochan]

Pokedex is seperate from the story.

Also, there is no Pokemon world because my Dusclops just absorbed it.

Storyline =/= pokedex, but pokedex = story.

Pokemon doesn't rely on pokedex on storyline but basically expands it and supports it. It's part of it, just like Samus item descriptions and log books are part of Prime storyline but separate from the uh, happenings in the game (like cut-scenes).

Dusclops couldn't live in nothingness. =)

REL38, gaaammmeee mechaniiiccssss yauhz.

Missignomaster, nope.
"A Tyranitar is so overwhelmingly powerful, it can bring down a whole mountain to make its nest."
"In just one of its mighty hands, it has the power to make the ground shake and mountains crumble. "

And things, it never says Tyranitar can level a mountain with one hand in ONE PUNCH. But it's saying Tyranitar can level/bring down a mountain by using one hand. And it never says how much time it takes to bring down a mountain to make it's nest or just how big are the mountains Tyranitar demolishes.

 

[PowerBomb]

You said Satoshi, and that's the Japanese name of Ash or something. Sorry.

Protect blocks Machamp's "unblockable" punches.

 

[missingnomaster]

Doesn't matter if it would kill Dusclops. It can absorb the entire world since it was said that there's no limit.

I'm out of ideas right now though. Powerbomb can continue this.

 

[Samochan]

Doesn't matter if it would kill Dusclops. It can absorb the entire world since it was said that there's no limit.

I'm out of ideas right now though. Powerbomb can continue this.

Correction: It's said it can absorb ANYTHING, but not EVERYTHING, least on that entry. =) Besides, nothing tells about this black hole range.

"It is said that its body is like a black hole. This Pokémon will absorb anything into its body, but nothing will ever come back out. "

Besides, wouldn't dusclops then absorb himself if he were to absorb everything? <_>

"Its body is entirely hollow. When it opens its mouth, it sucks everything in as if it were a black hole. " A plausible retcon, in any case. Everything is not very definite however, as if Dusclops were indeed to absorb everything, that would mean Dusclops itself as well. On the pokedex entries, this everything and anything refers to movable objects.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Eh, look at these Pokedex enteries.

Raichu's FireRed Dex entry: "Its Electric charges can reach even 100,000 volts. Careless contact can cause even an Indian Elephant to faint."

Gastly's FireRed Dex entry: "A being that exists as a thin gas. It can topple an Indian elephant by enveloping the prey in two seconds."

Venonat Silver Pkdex entry: Poison oozes from all over its body. It catches and eats small bugs at night that are attracted by light.

Do animals exist in the Pokemon world?

 

[PowerBomb]

Anything = Everything

What's really the difference? Everything is like... more anythings...

EDIT: LOL ELEPHANTS

100,000 Volts is enough to fry stuff.

EDIT2: Shoot, I confused myself with the everything and anything part.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

I change my mind on the Pokedex now.

Pokedex = source of misinformation and collected folklore and other heresy.

For instance, I'm pretty sure that I'll keep my soul even if I look into the crack in Shedinja's back.

And the Pokedex can't decide whether a singular Entei was born from a singular volcano, or multiple Entei from multiple volcanoes, or if Entei creates volcanoes when it barks. None of which, by the way, mesh with the whole "Ho-oh's flames killed three beasts, which were reborn as Entei, Suicune, and Raikou"

 

[PowerBomb]

Raikou's Roar is supposed to send shock waves through the air and ground. How come his Roar doesn't cause damage like EQ?

EDIT: Why the hell isn't there two Entei?

Cinnabar Volcano and Mt. Ember...

 

[Samochan]

Eh, look at these Pokedex enteries.

Raichu's FireRed Dex entry: "Its Electric charges can reach even 100,000 volts. Careless contact can cause even an Indian Elephant to faint."

Gastly's FireRed Dex entry: "A being that exists as a thin gas. It can topple an Indian elephant by enveloping the prey in two seconds."

Venonat Silver Pkdex entry: Poison oozes from all over its body. It catches and eats small bugs at night that are attracted by light.

Do animals exist in the Pokemon world?

They do exist in our world, but it's there for players benefit really, to make comparison to the real world.

But I'd imagine there are normal animals on the pokemon world too. Pokemon eat bugs and other pokes too and humans sometimes eat pokemon apparently but uh...

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Food

Ray, pokedex usually mentions when something is a possible rumour and things like that cannot be proven, but not really disproven either. Shedinja's entry specifically says "It is believed".

Human's weren't able to witness this Ho-Oh reincarnation thing. :/

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Something else, one Pokedex entry says something about humans evolving from 'primape' (that ape type Pokemon).

But, if humans evolved from Primapes, and Primapes are Pokemon, doesn't that make humans Pokemon?

The Pokemon storyline is ridiculous, so any conjecture of its meaning is as absurd as Pokemon.

 

[missingnomaster]

Correction: It's said it can absorb ANYTHING, but not EVERYTHING, least on that entry. =) Besides, nothing tells about this black hole range.

"It is said that its body is like a black hole. This Pokémon will absorb anything into its body, but nothing will ever come back out. "

Besides, wouldn't dusclops then absorb himself if he were to absorb everything? <_>

"Its body is entirely hollow. When it opens its mouth, it sucks everything in as if it were a black hole. " A plausible retcon, in any case. Everything is not very definite however, as if Dusclops were indeed to absorb everything, that would mean Dusclops itself as well. On the pokedex entries, this everything and anything refers to movable objects.

It would be a retcon if the entries contradicted each other. But they don't, so they just compliment each other. The pokemon world is an object of definite size, it can therefore be absorbed by Dusclops.

 

[PowerBomb]

What? Comparisons? How would the Dex know what an African Elephant is?

If African Elephants existed, they'd be shown. Otherwise, how would the Dex know what they are?

 

[DoonKoon]

Something else, one Pokedex entry says something about humans evolving from 'primape' (that ape type Pokemon).

But, if humans evolved from Primapes, and Primapes are Pokemon, doesn't that make humans Pokemon?

The Pokemon storyline is ridiculous, so any conjecture of its meaning is as absurd as Pokemon.

The fallacy lies in thinking that Pokemon are something other than the natural animals of the Pokemon world, though not necessarily the only animals of the Pokemon world. If we view Pokemon as simply animals which have evolved wierd and unusual defense mechanisms, then it's no different from saying that humans evolved from ordinary apes.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Indian elephants. *

 

[PowerBomb]

Indian elephants. *

Oh. Ah well.

Also, Rhyhorn's Dex entry says that its tackle can destroy anything. How come my Take Down isn't OHKOing Steelix?

 

[Samochan]

Something else, one Pokedex entry says something about humans evolving from 'primape' (that ape type Pokemon).

But, if humans evolved from Primapes, and Primapes are Pokemon, doesn't that make humans Pokemon?

The Pokemon storyline is ridiculous, so any conjecture of its meaning is as absurd as Pokemon.

I'm not reading anything of the such in primeape's dex entry. <_>

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/History_of_the_Pokémon_World

Indian elephants do not naturally exist in Japan, where pokemon games take place.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokemon_world
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/8/89/Locations.PNG/175px-Locations.PNG

Powerbomb, again game mechanic limitations, same as when Gyara only cannot ohko everything with hyper beam. :/ I wouldn't wanna play a broken game like that lol.

 

[missingnomaster]

So, Dusclops absorbing the world is a valid draw tactic for Red if he's in a match he can't win?

 

[WhatIsRaizen?]

But, Samochan, what do the Pokedex entries actually mean in your view?

You believe all of it to be true? o_0

Seems like non-canon to me..

 

[PowerBomb]

I don't know how to respond to that. Spamming 'game mechanic' over and over again has made my thoughts vanish.

Dex contradicts itself. Not to mention that some things in the Dex contradict the game itself. Why isn't there more than one Entei if more than one volcano exists in the Pokemon World?

I'm gone.

 

[DoonKoon]

As much as I hate to say this, Pokedex does contradict itself, thus it's not canon.

 

[UncleSam]

As much as I hate to say this, Pokedex does contradict itself, thus it's not canon.

Video games contradict themselves... alot.
that doesn't make it not canon.

 

[Samochan]

But, Samochan, what do the Pokedex entries actually mean in your view?

You believe all of it to be true? o_0

Seems like non-canon to me..

A very extensive library to the pokemon in pokemon world.

But as proven, many of the pokedex entires are true in the pokemon world. Such as Arceus, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Mewtwo... all those have been shown or told in the gameplay.

And lol there has been multiple enteis on the games thus far, but only 1 is obtainable per game without trading. >_> Or did you forget LeafGreen and FireRed?

Enteis are said to be born when a New Volcano appears. Just how often New volcanos appear? The playable region solely consists of Japan, so it couldn't really know how many enteis roam around the pokemon world.

And pokedex contradictions usually only happen when generations are compared to each other in very literal sense, but retcons are possible and usually plausible.

And ditto that UncleSam, Samus grapple beam example is one of those happenings where the games contradict themselves, yet are canon.

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Btw, I really love this official artwork by ken Sugimori for pokemon HGSS of Arceus event. <3

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Arceus_ruins_art.png

 

[DoonKoon]

They do, but not as much as Pokedex(s).

 

[UncleSam]

And ditto that UncleSam, Samus grapple beam example is one of those happenings where the games contradict themselves, yet are canon.

links clawshot, you can't grab onto trees... but that's more of like a game mechanic.

Btw, I really love this official artwork by ken Sugimori for pokemon HGSS of Arceus event. <3

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Arceus_ruins_art.png

cool stuff.

 

[Samochan]

They do, but not as much as Pokedex(s).

Doesn't real life literacy also contradict itself? Especially when you take many sources and then start comparing.

But still much what you can find in literature is factual information. (liek written information)

In comparison, pokedex has both proved facts, believed rumours and mythology that's not proven nor disproven. But contradictions (usually small too) don't make it less factual information.

 

[UncleSam]

so uhh. what can Mario do to PT?
*waits for justaway*

 

[WhatIsRaizen?]

So, Mario can just ultrajump his way to red?

 

[REL38]

so uhh. what can Mario do to PT?
*waits for justaway*

Repel Gel/Boo's sheet makes him invisible.

Mario proceeds to use any attack to kill PT which is a likely OHKO.

 

[UncleSam]

one of PT's pokemon could just use Twave or glare to stop Mario.
one of his pokes could use odor sleuth for invisibility.
IDK

 

[justaway12]

REALLY!? We are going to allow a pokedex that says a a Pokemon can eat anything! That Charizards fire can melt anything, yet we were talking about a pokemon earliear that's rock was unmeltable or some **** like that!? What about Areceus, he was the god of Pokemon, gods are noramally described as OMNIPOTENT! It may have got somethings right, but it's got sooooo many more things wrong!

There is something wrong with this thread >_>

Raizen, weren't you supposed to add REALISM so we don't fall victim to no-limit fallacy =/
This is soo uncanon it's not even funny =/


@Raizen: Answer my rebuttal! Mario summons the star spirits just like Meta-knight, I thought in-game abilities were lgit =/

 

[missingnomaster]

Or if the Pokedex is allowed, Lugia's Whirlwind would put Mario a safe distance from Red, allowing him time to set up a strategy.

This needs to be settled.

 

[UncleSam]

embargo also prevents held items for 5 turns
I think we've established that.
@just - we just said it was canon, disallowing it from this thread, is the OP's choice.

 

[justaway12]

As I said, I don't think it is, it's completely stupid to think it is =/
It makes no sense =/

Mario goes off screen for Ultra Jump
And just because a pokemon is invisible doens't mean it stops Mario (this was to your last post).

 

[missingnomaster]

If Lugia used Protect, and Red was right next to Lugia, the shield made by Protect would be large enough to keep Red safe for a turn's worth of time.

 

[justaway12]

Mario's ultra jump doesn't go on one person, it goes to everyone, it is completely random

For example, first it goes to Luigia, then Red, then Pokemon no2, then back to Pokemon no2, then Red again etc.

And since when was it a shield?

 

[UncleSam]

Mario goes off screen for Ultra Jump

so does fly, and that makes thunders accuracy 100%

And just because a pokemon is invisible doens't mean it stops Mario (this was to your last post).

embargo, and if mario does something silly (ultrajump) encore repeats that, and thunder just adds insult to injury.

 

[justaway12]

He comes back down in the same turn, not the same as Fly at all...

And Raizen? Answer my rebuttal

Mario SUMMONS the star spirits.

 

[REL38]

But does Embargo come out faster than Boo's Sheet which only takes a second to use?

PT needs to command said Pokemon to use Embargo which also has start-up lag.

Is Embargo considered a status effect?