Smash Back Room Weekly Character Discussions! FINAL UPDATES: Ness + Lucas. All done!!

[IM_A_HUSTLA]

MK is gonna be high A Class, low S Class

i say wario or snake for #2

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

I think number 2 may be wario since he has among the crappier recoveries, Snake is incredibly fun to play but I think it's evident that he is really good and his recovery is fine to me.

 

[Doctor X]

I think number 2 may be wario since he has among the crappier recoveries

>B. Jump off the bike. You will say wow.

 

[ThaRoy]

Update 2: I bet my account that it's Lucas.

 

[axiomnightmare]

Guess for week 2:Olimar?

 

[xJin678]

Just a minor correction to GamerGuitarist, Metaknight can only glide twice in the air.

 

[Spartan64]

next week is pit

 

[Sandwich]

My guess is Pit. He's just waaaay too broken to be passed up.

 

[Jewdo]

Next week is Olimar?

 

[mrk]

Pit has trouble getting back onto the stage? <_<

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

>B. Jump off the bike. You will say wow.

oh yeah, forgot about that.

Guess for week 2:Olimar?

forgot about him too. he's my new guess lol

 

[w3bhead]

Meta Knight is definitely high if not top tier, although he has few KO moves the few that he does have are easy to execute and highly effective. Shuttle Loop is incredibly easy to combo into especially with grabs off the edge and of course his dsmash comes out quick and is perfect for punishing with as opposed to a shield grab etc. By the way great idea SamuraiPanda, I look forward to next weeks character discussion.

 

[SketchHurricane]

At first I thought week 2 would be Snake, but he can get back pretty good. Olimar seems like the favorite, but has he really been doing well? (haven't been watching the tourney results closely...)

 

[Frames]

Hmm, without a doubt, the 2nd week character will be Wolf.

Looking forward to discussing him or whoever it may be.

 

[Koscu]

Nothing is more than fun than pulling off grabs with MK. His dash grab is AMAZING, and you can pull off pivot grabs well, than they're amazing too. Honestly, nothings more fun than punishing an Ike, Marth, or Snake, who you'd expect to usually to well against an MK, with a grab.

You can rack up the % with them, especially if you Grab - Slap - Throw - Mach. Not only does it keep the KO attacks fresh but if you can pull it off fast enough, they have no chance of DI'ing or punishing these with aerials. You just have to personally be quick, and act on instinct, not thought process with MK.

My favourite set up for a nice grab is to Dtilt, which has very little lag, pushes you forward, and can trip them sometimes, then dash grab. They have little time to response, and it does a good 20-30% in a quick enough time. You can't chain grab, but you can easily keep them going. Because his grabs are so fast, you can make it look like you didn't even touch them in the first place. If you do his b-grab, f-grab, or u-grab at high %'s, you can easily just move into a nice aerial spam.

And to mix it up to, add in a dash usmash. Although it has no KO power, if you spam it, it destroy's their health, leaving dsmash for the ko. Its suprising and quick, and puts them in the air, where if you're quick enough, you can definitely keep their % raising.

Another thing i love to do is get them in the air, and uair uair uair up b. If you can follow their DI's, you can get them basically to the roof and finish with the up-b for an easy KO. If done properly you can finish them at extremly low percents, lowest i've done it was at 25%, but i want to practice it more and get better at following the opponent in air.

Also, SHFF is key with MK. Since his aerials are quick and have little to no lag on landing, you can pull them off quickly. Its one of his greatest offensive approaches in my oppion, and can even be used defensively or for spacing. On time you just run up and SH fair, or SH nair, and if they start to get used to it, just SHAD behind them and punish with a grab or smash. Also, you don't even have to land! After an aerial, just midair jump for another aerial or air dodge. You can destroy your opponent in every way possible, whether you're on the ground/air, or they're on the ground/air. His utilt can KO at around 100% if sweet spotted, i use it all the time against other MK's.

You just can't stop moving with MK, and he has so many strengths, especially his speed. His defense is good to, with his ability to punish easily with dtilts, tilts, quick smashes, aerials, or even the mach tornado.

Its all in the player, you just gotta practice and find out ways that fit you.

 

[Micahc]

MetaKnight, the new Sheik. The guy can kill easy enough, has godly priority and surprising range, and is a pain in the *** to edgeguard. Stupid Up-B all ways stage spikes me.

 

[comboking]

the second one could be Ike or pit maybe even Wario!IMO

 

[Koscu]

MetaKnight, the new Sheik. The guy can kill easy enough, has godly priority and surprising range, and is a pain in the *** to edgeguard. Stupid Up-B all ways stage spikes me.

I woudln't go to that extent. I used to main Sheik in Melee, and now i main MetaKnight/Wolf. I actually find that when i play snake i find myself doing more Sheik-esque combos than anyother character. Call me crazy, but i find it to be true.

 

[orintemple]

I agree. MetaKnight is not nearly as easy to play at low levels as Sheik is.

I think next week will be Olimar. He is amazing but some people hate him for various reasons. And his recovery is pitiful.

 

[Browny]

Wario or olimar next week definitely...

 

[kells]

i!i!!i!i!i!i

 

[Blackadder]

Sorry I don't have time tonight to read through all the other posts but I just felt like posting that the character for next week is going to be Olimar. In case anyone is wondering who I'm talking about, he is also known as Olimar&Pikmin.

It's Wolf.

 

[Intercept]

I agree with Frames, the second character sounds like Wolf. Some people say he's going to be top tier, while many say he isn't good at all, and many people have a very hard time with his recovery. It could be Olimar I suppose, but I'm feeling Wolf.

 

[hotgarbage]

Fantastic idea and a great read. Thanks!

 

[Hawks go Caw]

I agree with Frames, the second character sounds like Wolf. Some people say he's going to be top tier, while many say he isn't good at all, and many people have a very hard time with his recovery. It could be Olimar I suppose, but I'm feeling Wolf.

Olimar's known for being easily gimpable, and there's nothing too special about Wolf that would make him extra fun to play as.

 

[Ulevo]

The problem, in my experience, is the grenade. Easy, fast, good damage, great knockback, and MT-proof. You can't keep close to Snake if he spams them, either, because Snake is obviously quite a bit more heavy-weight than Meta is.

Unfortunately for Snake, the Grenades can be picked up and thrown right back him. If the Snake player waits too long to throw them so they Explode on impact or near impact, Meta Knight will rush him. They're not too big of a threat. It's the Standard A punishment Snake deals that is the main issue for Meta Knight.

 

[TKD+ITA+Mar=]

I really don't have much to say that hasn't been said. I feel in general that Meta Knight is a great character, but his weaknesses are easily exploited. I am pretty sure the second character is going to be Olimar, I can't wait until they cover Marth though.

 

[DraginHikari]

I don't play as Meta mostly due to the fact that I tend to fail horriblely with speed-oriented characters which is probably bizarre but hey.

But oddly unlike the Fox or Falco, as an Ike player I don't nearly have as much trouble counteracting Metaknight compared to some others, more then likely because I haven't had a chance to play a really good Metaknight yet. If anything MK comes off as one of those character you can either be really good with... or play as the sandbag.

 

[whisperingtears]

Is the next char. robot?

 

[Chrono Centaur]

Olimar, because he can be easily gimped. Tether recovery = horrible

 

[showmeyagoose]

metaknight has horrible range, on characters like king dedede he is almost useless in the air, since ddd also has insane jumps.
thats all i have to say for this

 

[lorddave551]

I'm thinking Link, he's really fun to play because of his projectiles and his recovery is a suckfest. I'm not sure about how well he's placing at tourneys tho.

 

[audreyh]

Samurai Panda,

Can you just keep the character discussions in the SBR and then after the week is over, post a copy of the discussion in the tactical discussion forum or in the specific character forum? The SBR character discussion is great, but the posts by the general public are not. I'd rather not (and presumably the SBR does not) want to sift through public posts.

 

[strider43]

I'm waiting for you guys to do one of these for fox. In my opinion dair uptilt fair is the most ridiculous 40% combo in the game.

 

[Demenise]

1) Meta Knight is, in my opinion, just high tier. Take away the speed, and you won't have anything impressive about him. He's good at racking up damage and recovery, but he doesn't have much more that stands out.

2) The next character is Olimar.

 

[AmericanBison]

The next character could be olimar, but wolf has a much harder recovery, and I hear he is doing well in t's.

 

[Deleted member]

The next character is Lucario undoubtedly

 

[BraveDave88]

Hmm, I would definitely say Wolf for next time. His moveset is fascinating and unique from the other two space animals, but his arbitrary and short recovery is a problem, though it is quite a useful killing move.

As I am beginning to see some of the more serious flaws in Wario, I'm considering more and more shifting my main over to Meta-Knight, as he is both one of my favorite video game characters and also one of the best overall in Brawl so far. I agree his flaws are in the killing strength of a lot of his moves, it seems like only a few of his smashes, Shuttle Loop and the ever-hard-to-hit-with Dimensional Cape are the only ones he has. One must adopt a very agressive edgeguarding game to get kills more often than not, which is a problem with stages like Green Hill, Shadow Moses, and Mario Circuit taken into account.

 

[NC-Echo]

wolf has a much harder recovery

I'm curious how you came to that conclusion.

 

[bowz10190]

The next character is either Olimar or Snake.
As for Mk, I still don't know about him. He's great, but in the future I think people will figure him out, like Ike.