Smash 4 Speculation Chart [WE UPDATE NOW]

[Deleted member]

Holy Shih Tzu. Everything's gone.

 

[AEMehr]

Holy Shih Tzu. Everything's gone.

"Don't worry, I'm here to help!"

 

[AEMehr]

Crisis averted (At least for the speculation charts)

Spoiler

List of Changes:
- Characters with multiple ways of inclusion receive one slot (IE Zelda, Dixie Kong, Mewtwo, etc.) but they and their possible partner will both receive official artwork and confirmation is revealed to be together. This keeps the roster a bit more organized looking.
- Character with Green Checkmarks next to their name are confirmed playable characters. Other colors will be defined at a later date.
- Many cut Third-Party characters.
- Artwork updates all around.

Hoping to get the Bingo Chart thread fixed up by the end of Monday.

ALSO,
Don't be afraid to start a discussion guys, who should we cut out of the chart? Who should we add into the chart? This topic wasn't made so I could just put up charts I made in my spare time. Share your input!

 

[fogbadge]

can we be sure that the villager's recovery move discounts the balloon fighter?

 

[FalKoopa]

can we be sure that the villager's recovery move discounts the balloon fighter?

Most likely, yes. That move is just too iconic to him. Unless that was actually an item, Balloon Fighter is pretty much disconfirmed.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

The Villager also challenges Tom Nook. I could potentially see a Ressti moveset but I'd say he's out too.

 

[fogbadge]

Most likely, yes. That move is just too iconic to him. Unless that was actually an item, Balloon Fighter is pretty much disconfirmed.

well if you're right, then that's a pity

 

[Deleted member]

Chart has been fixed up on front page.

Also, I'd stand to reason that Alice is also kind of disconfirmed for the same reason as Balloon Fighter.
And that Nook and Resetti are disconfirmed as well. It has always been either of them or Villager, and Villager is in.

 

[Ben Holt]

My speculation is the the next confirmed characters will be Bowser Jr. and a 2nd Kid Icarus rep (most likely Palutena).

 

[Ray Robo]

Considering that Sakurai has developed Kid Icarus: Uprising I wouldn't doubt there being some Kid Icarus bias in terms of the character roster selection for Palutena. Pit has already received numerous upgrades from brawl and a slick character design. I'm also expecting Lucario to be replaced with either Mewtwo or just cut in general. Especially with the new Pokemon games coming out.

 

[Ben Holt]

Add another character to your unexpected list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGCdUiy9YIw&feature=youtu.be

 

[drag0nscythe]

I predict only 40 movesets, only 40 characters. Not really any more.

 

[Opossum]

EDIT: I must be in the wrong corner. /DocLouis

(Posted in the Wrong Thread, Ignore me...)

 

[Chauzu]

I know this is stupid or everything, but I'd like to see Phoenix Wright as well on the 3rd party section. No, I don't think he'll be in, espescially after Mega Man. But I still see him, percentally, having a bigger chance than, just an example, half the DK and Kirby cast. Even if Phoenix's chance is like 2% and the others 1%.

Well, that's just my five cents, since we all know he won't be in you can just ignore it. I think it's a great project in any case, good work!

 

[mimgrim]

I would like to point out that I think wolf Link has a chance of getting in as a playable character. Now just hear me out please. Both SSBM and SSBB has a secondar Link character and to each game it was a different secondary Link, granted they were basically just clones but my reason still stand. So I think that there might be a pattern here, a secondary Link character who will be different for each SSB game. Wolf Link seems like a good canidate to me due to the fact that there is no way to make it a clone of Link and will have a completly unique moveset, though their could also a chance the patter is for the secondary Link to be a clone but I think Sakurai adressed the issues of clones at one point or another, so I think Wolf Link might have some chance of being in the nexst SSB game. Take of this what you will, just my thought on this little thing. >_>

Inb4myideagetstotallyrippedapartbypeople.

 

[Undrdog]

Gotta toss in Kunio-Kun. He had how many games on the NES? And he still has a following. The issue is who the heck actually owns his IP and acquiring permission.

 

[Opossum]

...

...Who?

 

[BluePikmin11]

So, add:
1. AR Man
2. Bayonetta
3. King Hippo

That's definitely what you need to add.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I would like to point out that I think wolf Link has a chance of getting in as a playable character. Now just hear me out please. Both SSBM and SSBB has a secondar Link character and to each game it was a different secondary Link, granted they were basically just clones but my reason still stand. So I think that there might be a pattern here, a secondary Link character who will be different for each SSB game. Wolf Link seems like a good canidate to me due to the fact that there is no way to make it a clone of Link and will have a completly unique moveset, though their could also a chance the patter is for the secondary Link to be a clone but I think Sakurai adressed the issues of clones at one point or another, so I think Wolf Link might have some chance of being in the nexst SSB game. Take of this what you will, just my thought on this little thing. >_>

Inb4myideagetstotallyrippedapartbypeople.

The problem is that Wolf Link has only appeared once in the series, and the game he appeared in is fairly old compared to the newer Skyward Sword and incoming Wind Waker HD. It is highly unlikely that he will get in because of this.

He's basically in the same boat as Midna and Zant.

 

[mimgrim]

The problem is that Wolf Link has only appeared once in the series, and the game he appeared in is fairly old compared to the newer Skyward Sword and incoming Wind Waker HD. It is highly unlikely that he will get in because of this.

He's basically in the same boat as Midna and Zant.

I would like to point out that Midna is on the chart.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I would like to point out that Midna is on the chart.

Doesn't mean she is likely over the other characters available. The trend with the Two Links is because Sakurai likes having a child Link, and an Adult Link. Seeing that Toon Link is the dominant form of several Zelda games as of late, it is likely that he will be the second form of Link again.

 

[mimgrim]

Doesn't mean she is likely over the other characters available. The trend with the Two Links is because Sakurai likes having a child Link, and an Adult Link. Seeing that Toon Link is the dominant form of several Zelda games as of late, it is likely that he will be the second form of Link again.

I agree that is just as likely maybe even a little more. But I still feel like there might end up being a pattern here, maybe it's jsut me. xD

 

[AEMehr]

So, add:
1. AR Man
2. Bayonetta
3. King Hippo

That's definitely what you need to add.

We'll AR Man and Bayonetta can be considered, but King Hippo won't get in if Little Mac doesn't get in.

 

[BluePikmin11]

So the character of a franchise needs to be confirmed before it expands?

 

[Morbi]

Doesn't mean she is likely over the other characters available. The trend with the Two Links is because Sakurai likes having a child Link, and an Adult Link. Seeing that Toon Link is the dominant form of several Zelda games as of late, it is likely that he will be the second form of Link again.

I would like to point out that I think wolf Link has a chance of getting in as a playable character. Now just hear me out please. Both SSBM and SSBB has a secondar Link character and to each game it was a different secondary Link, granted they were basically just clones but my reason still stand. So I think that there might be a pattern here, a secondary Link character who will be different for each SSB game. Wolf Link seems like a good canidate to me due to the fact that there is no way to make it a clone of Link and will have a completly unique moveset, though their could also a chance the patter is for the secondary Link to be a clone but I think Sakurai adressed the issues of clones at one point or another, so I think Wolf Link might have some chance of being in the nexst SSB game. Take of this what you will, just my thought on this little thing. >_>

Inb4myideagetstotallyrippedapartbypeople.

Hear me out... Deku Link? That would be amazing. Not only would we have Young Link return, but we would have Deku Link. I already know that it is crazy to think that Link could wield all 3 masks. However, Deku Link could be done one of two ways. One is to develop him like Sheik and make it a D special transformation. The other way is to just have Deku Link as a standalone character. I wouldn't mind Wolf Link though. I thought it would be Link's final smash oh so long ago.

 

[Deleted member]

@Phoenix Wright: Mega Man pretty much sealed any other Capcom character's fate. Denied.

@Wolf Link: Sakurai's deal is having a younger Link as a secondary Link, not just a secondary Link in general. Denied.

@Kunio-Kin: Who the **** is that?
*3 minutes of research later*
Obscure 3rd Party character. Denied.

@AR Man: Just because Wii Fit Trainer came it doesn't mean a simple box with no arms that doesn't have an actual game to speak of has a chance. Denied.

@Bayonetta: I am rather confused on the situation. First Kamiya tells Smash fans to **** off, then he tells a magazine that he'd be willing to let Sakurai use Bayonetta in Smash if he were to ask.
I guess Approved.

@King Hippo: Mac is not yet in, Hippo is without a doubt not going to be included instead of Mac, and it's very unlikely PO will get two characters. And even then, Hippo's got too much competition in Bald Bull, Doc Louis, Super Macho Man, Mr. Sandman, etc. Denied.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Explain the situation of AR Man clearly.
Also AR Man is in an (actual) game called AR Games, probably nearly equivalent to Dillon and Mallo.
(Since they all debuted in a 3DS app)
Also AR Man and WFT are pretty similar in terms of helping you how to play their games, WFT was your guide to play Wii Fit, while AR Man was your guide in AR Games.

 

[splat]

Explain the situation of AR Man clearly.

You aren't kidding, are you?

• Hardly a 'real' character - from what I've seen it's a character that puts the games together like Monita (as opposed to WFT, Dillon and Mallo, who actually have a prominent role in their respective games).
• AR Games was not much of a game - I doubt it would actually sell if it wasn't shipped with the console, as opposed to Wii Fit that was sold over 22 million times.
• Lack of demand.
• Lack of recognizability.
• Lack of limbs.
• Lack of possible moveset.
• Brings nothing new to the character pool because of said moveset problems.

In a sense, he is comparable to Mr. Hanafuda.

 

[BluePikmin11]

You aren't kidding, are you?

• Lack of possible moveset.

In a sense, he is comparable to Mr. Hanafuda.

Using 3D Tools to raise the ground level, having the Globe exploding as a final Smash, unleashing a Cuckoo Clock as a forward Smash attack, using the the AR Ball to roll and KO opponents, there's enough content in AR Games to make unique movesets for AR Man.
Also Wii Fit Trainer wasn't really a prominent role in Wii Fit, she merely was your helping to get fit. But even though, the trainer got into Smash.

 

[FalKoopa]

Address the rest of the problems as well, then we can talk.

Though I think I understand your sudden attachment with AR Man. Realizing that Mr. Hanafuda is simply impossible, you decided to replace him with someone similar who has a sliver of a chance.

The idea is about as silly as the console-bot.

 

[BluePikmin11]

No, it's simply because Wii Fit Trainer got in, realizing that some joke characters are open to be in.

You aren't kidding, are you?

• Hardly a 'real' character - from what I've seen it's a character that puts the games together like Monita (as opposed to WFT, Dillon and Mallo, who actually have a prominent role in their respective games).
• AR Games was not much of a game - I doubt it would actually sell if it wasn't shipped with the console, as opposed to Wii Fit that was sold over 22 million times.
• Lack of demand.
• Lack of recognizability.
• Lack of limbs.
• Lack of possible moveset.
• Brings nothing new to the character pool because of said moveset problems.

In a sense, he is comparable to Mr. Hanafuda.

- It is a real character, as I said before AR Man and WFT Trainer are similar in the way of being your guide.
- AR Games wasn't much of a game???? Wii Fit wasn't much of a game either, Yet WFT is still there in the SSB4 Roster.
- Wii Fit Trainer had no demand also.
- Sorta with WFT, since most gamers don't go fit. But again that didn't stop her.
- Excuse me, AR Man has legs, so at least he can move to unleash his AR attacks.
- I said the possibilities of moveset before a few posts back.
- Um, I think you should really play AR Games first of all. Your arguments lack the knowledge of AR Games to even realize it.

There I finished set of problems.

 

[Curious Villager]

The idea is about as silly as the console-bot.

Lol people still remember console-bot?

 

[splat]

No, it's simply because Wii Fit Trainer got in, realizing that some joke characters are open to be in.

- It is a real character, as I said before AR Man and WFT Trainer are similar in the way of being your guide.
- AR Games wasn't much of a game???? Wii Fit wasn't much of a game either, Yet WFT is still there in the SSB4 Roster.
- Wii Fit Trainer had no demand also.
- Sorta with WFT, since most gamers don't go fit. But again that didn't stop her.
- Excuse me, AR Man has legs, so at least he can move to unleash his AR attacks.
- I said the possibilities of moveset before a few posts back.
- Um, I think you should really play AR Games first of all. Your arguments lack the knowledge of AR Games to even realize it.

There I finished set of problems.

- I've been doing some minor research (watching some videos and reading up on Wikipedia and the official site), and AR Man did not appear in ANY of the games I've seen. He's around between games, like Monita, but does not appear in the actual games itself. Wii Fit Trainer, though, always is there while you're doing your exercises.
- I meant that AR games was shipped with the 3DS, and if it weren't, hardly anyone would've bought it - not to mention even hearing of it. Wii Fit, on the other hand, is ranked as the third most sold game that wasn't sold with a console. In that sense, Wii Fit was a game, while AR Games is just a little gimmick like Face Raiders was.
- You're right here, but how many of these gambles do you think Sakurai is willing to take? How many of those characters can he add without causing a huge outroar among fans?
- Wii Fit sold more than 22 million times. With this, it positioned itself solidly in the top 15 most sold games of all times (on all consoles, including PC). If that isn't recognizable, no character will be. Perhaps she isn't the most favorite character among the hardcore players, but she's a character that many new or casual players are familiar with.
- He has short, stubby legs. Many of the superficial moves kicking moves are taken by the likes of Kirby and Jigglypuff. Good job finding kicking moves for all of his neutrals, tilts, smashes, aerials (not to mention grabs). Also:
- The moves you did list above are not pulled off by AR Man, but by the player. AR Man himself has no moves (except falling flat on his face when loading a game). The players move the ball, the players make the globe explode - AR Man isn't even around during these games. It'd be like slapping Kirby's inhale on Metaknight because they're from the same series. I could live with a single move referencing something not related to the character, but an entire moveset? Eh.
- I'm not even responding to this one.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well you can base it just like Mr. G&W, where he gets nearly all of his moves based on different G&W games.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I'd just like to point out that it's really hard to even find a picture of that damn box, let alone find a name for it. I've tried AR guy, AR box, AR man, AR ? block, and even AR 3DS. The only thing I've come up with is this:

If you can hardly find the thing in Google Images, then search interest clearly isn't that high and demand for the character is extremely low.

Beyond all that, explain to me how that thing at the bottom right is supposed to have the same balance as two galactic bounty hunters, several legendary swordsmen, an assortment of heavyweight kings, or at the very least, Kirby. Seriously, joke characters are one thing, but they all have fighting potential. The AR box does not. Best case scenario, he'll do something as an Assist Trophy.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Why doesn't anyone check out my move set of AR Man in the OP before they say that AR Man has no potential. Also, again WFT generally had no demand, but was in the game.
I think AR Man has the shot at being the next (and probably only) wtf character.

 

[splat]

Game & Watch was an entire series, spanning multiple various minigames which starred an unnamed character (now known as Mr. Game and Watch). Only the first series (out of eleven series) had five games that could be played. There's a total of 62 various games connected to the Game & Watch series.
AR Games is a single 'game', in which the player controls a crosshair that's moved using the gyroscope. In this 'game' there's three actual games with objectives (Shot, Archery and Fishing (and their rehashes)) and a couple of gimmicks. Nowhere near enough to craft a moveset from.

You cannot compare the two, you just can't.

 

[FalKoopa]

I think AR Man has the shot at being the next (and probably only) wtf character.

People have gotten TWO WTF characters already. Sakurai isn't a fool. He knows well that that people don't want another WTF character and that he shouldn't toy with gamers' expectations.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I think the Bayonetta situation can be explained thus: He's not opposed to the idea, he just wishes people will shut the hell up about it for 5 minutes.

 

[BluePikmin11]

There's plenty of original moves AR Man can have using the Augmented reality gimmick. It's like the Sim assist trophy in a nutshell.
(Again I just made a complete move set for him in his thread, did you even go through reading it?)
Also, I won't be using technical logic anymore, since someone ends up finding something and prove I'm wrong)