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Sorry, but where I'm from we have some really religious views on some things.
That ultimately doesn't really matter. I already said I am, so there's no reason to not believe me the first time as is.

Goku could have taken out most of those guys but they would have killed Gohan and Krillin before that. I don't think that Goku would've made it to Frieza considering he got body switched by Ginyu. There's also the fact that if Vegeta didn't interfere with getting the Dragon Balls then Frieza may have actually gotten his wish. And yes, I agree that Vegeta was stupid to let Cell power up.
I doubt it would've played out the same way, so Goku could've probably killed Ginyu well before that. It only played out that way due to Vegeta even existing. I'm not really even sure Gohan and Krillin would've fought like that much at all if Vegeta wasn't there. Barely enter the fray without back up or run away pretty fast at that point. Neither of them were ready, and without Vegeta, they didn't stand a chance(or without Goku). And yeah, Vegeta was even more worthless than Krillin against Frieza. Let that sink in for a moment.

The only good thing Vegeta still did was make sure Trunks was born, which saved Goku's life. I honestly otherwise always considered him a serious dead weight up through the Cell Saga. No, I don't believe he was needed against the Ginyu Force at all, and that doesn't convince me either.
 

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Thanks to @Scoliosis Jones I'll never take another online Mario Kart 8 Skype chat serious anymore. All of his mayonnaise jokes were so hilarious that I laughed out loud (which hindered my driving) and that they were literally stuck in my head. The worst part is that he cracked every joke in Patrick Star's voice.

Is mayonnaise a type of instrument? A condiment from Samus's past will appear in any minute, which is Ridley holding a jar of mayonnaise. Mayonnaise spreads in!

I LIVE! I actually just didn't choose to be here for a few days. 5000 points to the one who can figure out where that line was from.

Underrated SNES games,anyone?
Clock Tower.
Talk.
I only played Clock Tower 3 and the spinoff Haunting Ground. Never played the older titles, but the Scizzorpeople were much more frightening there while CT3's were circus twins for crying out loud.
 
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What's a "Mario Kart 8 Skype scat"... I don't think I wanna know.
 
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Thanks to @Scoliosis Jones I'll never take another online Mario Kart 8 Skype scat serious anymore. All of his mayonnaise jokes were so hilarious that I laughed out loud (which hindered my driving) and that they were literally stuck in my head. The worst part is that he cracked every joke in Patrick Star's voice.

Is mayonnaise a type of instrument? A condiment from Samus's past will appear in any minute, which is Ridley holding a jar of mayonnaise. Mayonnaise spreads in!
I'm assuming you had a great time.
 

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And I'm reminded of this:

I know a person who finds zombies sexy. I'm being serious too, which makes it all the more weirder. She's an oddball that.(and also a porn artist, although I am still waiting for my main request to be finished >_>)
 

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Had Krillin cut Frieza in half with the Destructo Disk (I think that's what they call it in English?) after blinding him... the whole thing would have been over before he even reached third form... ironically enough, getting chopped in half is exactly what happened to Frieza in the end anyhow.
The thing is, they wouldn't have made it that far without Vegeta.
I doubt it would've played out the same way, so Goku could've probably killed Ginyu well before that.
Goku is kinda bad some aspects as well. He's too nice. I don't for a second believe he would've killed Ginyu. I mean, he was even going to let Frieza go after all he did. Cell could have been heavily weakened by Goku and killed pretty easily afterwards by Gohan, Vegeta, or Trunks but he gave him a sensu bean instead endangering everyone.
 

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The world is full of all sorts of disturbing fetishes and necrophilia is among one of them. Thanks for reminding me, Frost. :urg:
 

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Goku is kinda bad some aspects as well. He's too nice. I don't for a second believe he would've killed Ginyu. I mean, he was even going to let Frieza go after all he did. Cell could have been heavily weakened by Goku and killed pretty easily afterwards by Gohan, Vegeta, or Trunks but he gave him a sensu bean instead endangering everyone.
He doesn't let everyone live, man. That's a misrepresentation of the character. He often does, and only tried to let Frieza survive because he saw that Vegeta changed faces and wanted to take a chance at peace. Keep in mind he never once tried to keep Cell alive. Again, the Senzu Bean part had nothing to do with letting Cell live. It was pure overconfidence and nothing more.

Goku does kill and has before. It's just much rarer than Vegeta. He was perfectly willing to kill Cell as well as Cooler entirely. He actually gave Cooler one chance to leave, but that was it. During the same movie, he outright tried to kill him with no issues. You're overstating his kindness just a tad.
 

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He doesn't let everyone live, man. That's a misrepresentation of the character. He often does, and only tried to let Frieza survive because he saw that Vegeta changed faces and wanted to take a chance at peace. Keep in mind he never once tried to keep Cell alive. Again, the Senzu Bean part had nothing to do with letting Cell live. It was pure overconfidence and nothing more.

Goku does kill and has before. It's just much rarer than Vegeta. He was perfectly willing to kill Cell as well as Cooler entirely. He actually gave Cooler one chance to leave, but that was it. During the same movie, he outright tried to kill him with no issues. You're overstating his kindness just a tad.
Goku, unlike Vegeta, will give the villain a chance to reform at least before he drops the hammer.
 
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Goku, unlike Vegeta, will give the villain a chance to reform at least before he drops the hammer.
Only sometimes. He never bothered with Cell in any way. He knew the guy would never reform period. He still believed in a fair fight(and was overconfident in Gohan's abilities. During the battle, before Gohan went Super Saiyan 2, he even had second thoughts during it, so he knew it wasn't that great of an idea later on), and it was supposed to be an honorable tourney that Cell created anyway.

Goku's an idiot, but not 100% of the time. That's overstating it.
 

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He doesn't let everyone live, man. That's a misrepresentation of the character. He often does, and only tried to let Frieza survive because he saw that Vegeta changed faces and wanted to take a chance at peace. Keep in mind he never once tried to keep Cell alive. Again, the Senzu Bean part had nothing to do with letting Cell live. It was pure overconfidence and nothing more.

Goku does kill and has before. It's just much rarer than Vegeta. He was perfectly willing to kill Cell as well as Cooler entirely. He actually gave Cooler one chance to leave, but that was it. During the same movie, he outright tried to kill him with no issues. You're overstating his kindness just a tad.
Maybe it came off wrong but I wasn't implying that Goku lets everyone live. I was just saying that he doesn't have optimal battle strategy either. All it takes is one moment or slip up for Goku to get caught in Ginyu's attack and having a merciful attitude just gives him more openings. And that's the kind of attack that you can't predict or afford to get hit with. And his overconfidence in the Cell saga was could've lead to the earth being destroyed.
 

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Remember the numbers found in the smash direct?

Well I've come up with a somewhat logical explanation.
The 55 refers to the number of characters on the roster.
The 16 refers to the number of veterans from brawl yet to be confirmed on the day of the direct.
1.Wario
2.Ganondorf
3.Ice Climbers
4.ROB
5.Meta Knight
6.Falco
7.Wolf
8.Captain Falcon
9.Ivysaur
10.Squirtle
11.JIgglypuff
12.Ike
13.Lucas
14.Ness
15.Game and watch
16.Snake
The 8 Refers to the number of newcomers still to be revealed. Which if the Sal leaks are right, means we still have 2 unknown newcomers left.
And the 1 refers to the Character that isn't a true veteran or newcomer.
Mewtwo.

This is just speculation, but I figured i'd share nonetheless.
 

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Thanks to @Scoliosis Jones I'll never take another online Mario Kart 8 Skype chat serious anymore. All of his mayonnaise jokes were so hilarious that I laughed out loud (which hindered my driving) and that they were literally stuck in my head. The worst part is that he cracked every joke in Patrick Star's voice.

Is mayonnaise a type of instrument? A condiment from Samus's past will appear in any minute, which is Ridley holding a jar of mayonnaise. Mayonnaise spreads in!
Don't deny it bro!



I could barely focus myself! He says it soooo perfect!! :rotfl:
 
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Maybe it came off wrong but I wasn't implying that Goku lets everyone live. I was just saying that he doesn't have optimal battle strategy either. All it takes is one moment or slip up for Goku to get caught in Ginyu's attack and having a merciful attitude just gives him more openings. And that's the kind of attack that you can't predict or afford to get hit with. And his overconfidence in the Cell saga was could've lead to the earth being destroyed.
Well, that's a different thing from what I meant. And considering what the Ginyu Force did, I highly doubt he wouldn't have obliterated them anyway. Also, anyone could've thrown a frog at Ginyu so he'd switch places. That was really not anything useful Vegeta did in that saga. Him being there was still necessary to meet Bulma, but that's really it.

Keep in mind Vegeta's one of my favorite character, but I still found him beyond useless most of the time. I do like he attempted to redeem himself when Cell killed adult Trunks by attempting to avenge him. That was beautiful, and it showed Vegeta was not stupid, but he definitely had a heart. It just took a while to find it.
 

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an idiot who shouldn't have a job talking about games.
He only makes these 'predictions' about nintendo cus GameTrailers just asks him stuff in an interview, so he's always put on the spot. And since he's always put on the spot, he's gotta pull stuff out of his butt. If it was one of his paying jobs, he'd do the research necessary to give an accurate forcast.

Basically, no pay = no care.

EDIT: It also doesn't help when GameTrailers is heavily biased towards Xbox and heavily biased against Nintendo.
 
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If you were to remove Vegeta from the Freza Saga Equation, I see two possible outcomes.

1. The Genyu body switch happens like normal, Genyu wins.

2.The Genyu switch doesn't happen(they might well not even show up if not for Vegeta murdering al of Freza's men early on), Goku never gets the resulting near death experience and power up, Freeza absolutely dominates Goku.

This is also assuming, of course, that there was no way Freeza was ever going to get the password out of the Namekians.

It's really hard to say though because Vegeta was a hugely active character in the Freeza saga and removing him changes a ton of variables.

Ryo came in well before she ever got the biomerge, and I felt she didn't really improve that much till after he came in. He wasn't a great character, but she was no less awful. It was nice that it was believable with how long it took for her to mature, but it didn't make her less ridiculous overall. I honestly never really liked her as a character, as even as pretty much a Sue(it doesn't matter that Ryo did it worse), she was beyond cold-hearted. No digidestined(that was that way right away or at least wasn't being controlled/directly corrupted) was ever that horrible. I severely disliked her period. Ryo I didn't like either, but he had nothing interesting about him to go off of to like.
You can dislike or hate Rika as much as you want, but Mary Sue? She's deeply and blatantly flawed, she has a character arc, she stays in charcter for the entire series(minus the Locomon movie), she suffers lots of troubles, setbacks and embarrassing moments, she's not comparatively more useful than her co-stars once they gets in the swing of things like a couple episodes in(in fact she spends most of the series behind the curve), the other characters don't treat her like she's perfect(especially Henry) and while her struggles are played sympathetically the show is very critical of her and never lets her have a pity parade. And she's quite realistic, I've definitely meet real people a LOT like her, and yes, even some her age. I would never even consider calling her character a Mary Sue. Maybe a deconstruction of Mary Sues that gets to the deconstructing very, very fast.

As far as no other digidestined being like her...Christopher? Unless you're being semantic about in which seasons they are technically called digidestined or not. I also don't see why having a "horrible" digidestined is necessarily a bad thing, especially in a season that is decidedly way darker than the other seasons and in which character flaws are basically the central focus of the entire season.

Just me personally she's possibly my all time favorite digidestined. Either her or Henry. Those two are WAY ahead of all the others for me (which is not to say I don't like the other digidestined. I like almost all of them).
 
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