Social Smash 4 Social Topic 2.0

[Kenith]

But.... aren't Ike and Marth completely different gameplay wise outside of Counter? Chrom actually uses the Falchion, Marth's rapier, unlike Ike who uses the Ragnell, a two handed blade.

Chrom's Falchion is reforged and Chrom often uses it with two hands.

 

[Shroob]

Chrom can also wield lances, and the falchion now looks like this.

(chrom uses it for slashing an stuff)

Yes, Chrom CAN use lances, but his canon weapon is swords.

 

[Pyra]

I know I like like like-likes, literally (and dont mind em eating me)! It's those stupid zombies and mummies that I hate. *shivers* They're scarier than that evil piano from Mario 64. Then again i never was afraid of that piano. *shivers*

I know you like Like Likes like I like Like Likes but with all the talk about Ike, Like Likes aren't as liked as Ike is. Personally, Like Likes are like Ike in that Like Likes, like Ike, probably might like to ride bikes, if Like Likes, unlike Ike, could ride bikes. In summary, Ike is like Like Likes and in this discussion of Ike and Like Likes, Like Likes I like more than Ike.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Cut the condescending attitude, it doesn't make you seem smarter.

And that's completely opinion based, hypothetically speaking Sakurai could see something unique in either (or both) of those characters and work off of that template. He's made quite a bit of characters unique that we never would've thought would bring what they did to the table, Chrom/Lucina can have a similar case. I don't see why you're so adamant in pushing that they're doomed to be bland characters when Smash as a series is home to so many that were made unique in the first place.

I'm so adamant towards both characters, because it's a bloody eye sore that Fire Emblem is going to be catering to the lowest denominator possible instead of trying to branch out and try something new. Fire Emblem is like Pokemon where it caters to many different types of abilities, but unlike Pokemon it didn't reach that potential, and we're going to get a character that emphasizes that stigma more. I don't want the series to be known as the franchise that provides nothing but blue hair and swords.

Not to mention I'm the type of guy that has bloody imagination. Like when people were complaining about Little Mac being dull with nothing but punches, I had to go out of my way explaining the complications of boxing and the fact that there isn't a single type of punch, but multiple ones. I've emphasized this type of explanation to the point of being philosophical. I went into detail as to why Dillon being an direct clone of Sonic wouldn't work by going into detail that their body shape isn't the same and it would deviate from Dillon's claw based combat, I explained that Dixie Kong being a copy of Diddy Kong wouldn't be possible because she lacks a tail like Diddy Kong and she primarily attacks using her hair and she lacks certain assets that Diddy has like the Rocket Barrels, and I went into details about characters having movesets inspired by outside elements from canon (Lip using plant based combat with a magical girl and cheerleader flare, Takamaru using combat inspired by martial arts like battojutsu and laijutsu, Ridley emphasizing as massive size as both a pro and con and being surprisingly potent in the air similar to Sentinel from Marvel vs. Capcom games). But when ever I see Chrom or Lucina, that motivation is struck down and I draw a blank, and I'm the type of person that detested ideas like the weapon switching and tag teaming, because I knew those ideas would suffer hard from balance problems as shown in previous installments in Super Smash Bros.

 

[Shroob]

And yet Ike only uses one hand for said two-handed sword...

We don't have a Fire Emblem character who fights by handling a sword with BOTH hands... I think that could make Chrom's playstyle different from Marth's and Ike's...

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130712073031/fireemblem/images/5/59/Ike_(FE10_Artwork).png

There's a reason people joke about Ike taking steroids.

 

[Muster]

Yes, Chrom CAN use lances, but his canon weapon is swords.

Zelda doesn't canonically use the goddess powers from ocarina of time. Adult link doesn't canonically wield the boomerang, Pikachu only learns skull bash in first gen, and Snake doesn't canonically shoot grenade launchers from a helicopter ladder.
Rosalina doesn't canonically use the pointer herself in galaxy either, but she can in smash. You're just saying Chrom can't wield the spear so you can say he's a clone.

 

[Admiral Pit]

I know you like Like Likes like I like Like Likes but with all the talk about Ike, Like Likes aren't as liked as Ike is. Personally, Like Likes are like Ike in that Like Likes, like Ike, probably might like to ride bikes, if Like Likes, unlike Ike, could ride bikes. In summary, Ike is like Like Likes and in this discussion of Ike and Like Likes, Like Likes I like more than Ike.

Okay, I think we milked that pun enough for the day. We don't wanna be beating a dead horse now after all, right? Gotta admit I had a chuckle outta that, though.

 

[Shroob]

Zelda doesn't canonically use the goddess powers from ocarina of time. Adult link doesn't canonically wield the boomerang, Pikachu only learns skull bash in first gen, and Snake doesn't canonically shoot grenade launchers from a helicopter ladder.

This is reminding me of pre-Brawl talk where everyone thought Sigurd would be the new Fire Emblem character because he uses Lances.

 

[Muster]

This is reminding me of pre-Brawl talk where everyone thought Sigurd would be the new Fire Emblem character because he uses Lances.

That has nothing to do with this. This is just you denying Chrom an item that could add to his uniqueness just because.

People seem to be missing the point i'm making. I never said chrom would be as unique as other additions fire emblem could offer, i'm just saying that Chrom being a clone is absurd.

 

[Shroob]

That has nothing to do with this. This is just you denying Chrom an item that could add to his uniqueness just because.

Not really. When you look at official artwork of Chrom, what do you see? Swords. Literally, the man's main drawing in the game is that he uses the Falchion, which is supposed to be Marth's. Ike can use Axes in Awakening, but do people associate Ike with Axes? No. You know why? Because he's known for his swordplay. You know what Toon Link is known for using outside of the standard Link stuff? A giant leaf, a giant hammer, an instrument that can control the wind. Does he use them? No.

 

[Arcadenik]

Not really. When you look at official artwork of Chrom, what do you see? Swords. Literally, the man's main drawing in the game is that he uses the Falchion, which is supposed to be Marth's. Ike can use Axes in Awakening, but do people associate Ike with Axes? No. You know why? Because he's known for his swordplay.

Supposed to be Marth's? Since Marth was long dead by the time Chrom is born... that Falchion is now Chrom's...

Marth can have the original Falchion... and Chrom can have the reforged Falchion.

 

[Shroob]

Supposed to be Marth's? Since Marth was long dead by the time Chrom is born... that Falchion is now Chrom's...

Marth can have the original Falchion... and Chrom can have the reforged Falchion.

I'm not saying Chrom would be a clone, I'm saying the idea of him using lances of all things would be preposterous when his main drawing point is the Falchion.

 

[Muster]

Not really. When you look at official artwork of Chrom, what do you see? Swords. Literally, the man's main drawing in the game is that he uses the Falchion, which is supposed to be Marth's. Ike can use Axes in Awakening, but do people associate Ike with Axes? No. You know why? Because he's known for his swordplay.

That argument is absurd. Just because a character is known for something doesn't mean that character can't be unique. Peach and Zelda are known for being damsels in distress, but they are made into competent fighters, the villager is known for fishing, digging and paying his mortgage, yet he was made into a unique fighter with bowling balls and balloons that he doesn't canonically use. Marth and ike are both known for wielding swords, yet they both have a unique style and vastly different ways to play. There are more than two ways to wield a sword, so even if that's all chrom has, he can still draw a different style from it.

 

[Shroob]

That argument is absurd. Just because a character is known for something doesn't mean that character can't be unique. Peach and Zelda are known for being damsels in distress, but they are made into competent fighters, the villager is known for fishing, digging and paying his mortgage, yet he was made into a unique fighter. Marth and ike are both known for wielding swords, yet they both have a unique style and vastly different ways to play. There are more than two ways to wield a sword, so even if that's all chrom has, he can still draw a different style from it.

I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying Chrom would be a clone. I'm saying him using lances would be, well, dumb.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I would be dumb because Super Smash Bros. in charge of having multiple play styles in one.

 

[Muster]

I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying Chrom would be a clone. I'm saying him using lances would be, well, dumb.

I can see why you'd think that, but a creative moveset could still be created out of a swords and lance combo. If you think it's strange to see lances on Chrom, then that's fine. As long as you don't say he'll be a damned clone because of it

I would be dumb because Super Smash Bros. in charge of having multiple play styles in one.

You would be dumb because wat? weren't you just criticizing someone earlier for saying like instead of ike?
Multiple weapons don't necessarily mean multiple playstyles, just look at snake or link. Of course, Robin would pull that style off a lot smoother than Chrom would in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't want to know, yet I do at the same time.

If you're a Leomon, part of the Leomon evolutionary tree, have "Leomon" in your name, or are somehow connected to Leomon, you're going to die.
None have escaped this fate, except for a Leomon that made a background cameo appearance as some kid's partner at the end of the second season. ....though he probably died later.

 

[Fatmanonice]

*Reads last 3 pages*
*Is suddenly reminded why Ike and/or Chrom should be revealed as soon as possible*

 

[Sehnsucht]

You guys have no taste.

Chrom is the chrom de la chrom of the Fire Emblem saga.

 

[Arcanir]

I'm so adamant towards both characters, because it's a bloody eye sore that Fire Emblem is going to be catering to the lowest denominator possible instead of trying to branch out and try something new. Fire Emblem is like Pokemon where it caters to many different types of abilities, but unlike Pokemon it didn't reach that potential, and we're going to get a character that emphasizes that stigma more. I don't want the series to be known as the franchise that provides nothing but blue hair and swords.

I can't say I don't see the point in how aesthetically it's disappointing to have just blue-haired swordsman representing a series when many other options exists, it's kind of like how Metroid is mostly represented by lava stages while so many other environments are present in that franchise. However, while aesthetically it can be seen as a bit bland that doesn't mean each of those blue-haired swordsman don't have something to stand out for themselves once we look deeper. As much as you hate the example, if you want to get technical Ike and Marth are considered "blue-haired swordsman" (simplifying it a bit yes, but people rarely make the distinction anyway so just for the sake of the argument) but the two manage to fight differently using a different style of swordplay, which made them unique and interesting despite that initial aesthetic similarity. Chrom (or Lucina) could be a similar case like this, they may have that aesthetic similarity but once you dig deeper that goes away with the moveset they have.

Not to mention I'm the type of guy that has bloody imagination. Like when people were complaining about Little Mac being dull with nothing but punches, I had to go out of my way explaining the complications of boxing and the fact that there isn't a single type of punch, but multiple ones. I've emphasized this type of explanation to the point of being philosophical. I went into detail as to why Dillon being an direct clone of Sonic wouldn't work by going into detail that their body shape isn't the same and it would deviate from Dillon's claw based combat, I explained that Dixie Kong being a copy of Diddy Kong wouldn't be possible because she lacks a tail like Diddy Kong and she primarily attacks using her hair and she lacks certain assets that Diddy has like the Rocket Barrels, and I went into details about characters having movesets inspired by outside elements from canon (Lip using plant based combat with a magical girl and cheerleader flare, Takamaru using combat inspired by martial arts like battojutsu and laijutsu, Ridley emphasizing as massive size as both a pro and con and being surprisingly potent in the air similar to Sentinel from Marvel vs. Capcom games). But when ever I see Chrom or Lucina, that motivation is struck down and I draw a blank, and I'm the type of person that detested ideas like the weapon switching and tag teaming, because I knew those ideas would suffer hard from balance problems as shown in previous installments in Super Smash Bros.

You're not the only one who can imagine different scenarios for characters, many of us have different ideas on how certain characters could be executed to differentiate themselves from others and similarly, many of us can miss the options that make other characters unique. For instance, how many of us foresaw Rosalina's mechanic? It's such a creative idea that I don't think any of us really thought of and despite the stigma behind the character's initial inclusion, it won many over. There are ways to make characters stand out using the tools they have no matter how limited they may be upon first look and Sakurai as a developer has shown quite the imagination in creating these unique movesets even from basically nothing. That's why I have a problem with the idea that Chrom can't be made unique, the options are there and Sakurai has proven time and time again he can work with even limited options to bring forth something that's really interesting, Chrom can be an example of that. Could he be a clone? He could, but it's not a certainty either that he has to rip off another character to make himself look good.

Also, just because they can have balance problems doesn't mean that those ideas won't and shouldn't be implemented, some bring very unique and creative movesets to the table and while they do sometimes suffer they can be improved, particularly since now we have the option of patches. Either way, that's just one way of looking at how Chrom could be unique.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

I don't want the series to be known as the franchise that provides nothing but blue hair and swords.

Sorry to say, but even based on the series itself, it's way too late to be worrying about preventing that, dude. That stigma has already set itself in stone. ¦D

 

[Deleted member]

Every time people argue about Chrom, a Leomon dies.
Stop killing off the Leomon, they've got enough to worry about without you causing their deaths.

 

[Arcanir]

Every time people argue about Chrom, a Leomon dies.
Stop killing off the Leomon, they've got enough to worry about without you causing their deaths.

Wait, so that means...

Oh no, I'm so sorry Jeri!

 

[Starphoenix]

I'm so adamant towards both characters, because it's a bloody eye sore that Fire Emblem is going to be catering to the lowest denominator possible instead of trying to branch out and try something new. Fire Emblem is like Pokemon where it caters to many different types of abilities, but unlike Pokemon it didn't reach that potential, and we're going to get a character that emphasizes that stigma more. I don't want the series to be known as the franchise that provides nothing but blue hair and swords.

Not to mention I'm the type of guy that has bloody imagination. Like when people were complaining about Little Mac being dull with nothing but punches, I had to go out of my way explaining the complications of boxing and the fact that there isn't a single type of punch, but multiple ones. I've emphasized this type of explanation to the point of being philosophical. I went into detail as to why Dillon being an direct clone of Sonic wouldn't work by going into detail that their body shape isn't the same and it would deviate from Dillon's claw based combat, I explained that Dixie Kong being a copy of Diddy Kong wouldn't be possible because she lacks a tail like Diddy Kong and she primarily attacks using her hair and she lacks certain assets that Diddy has like the Rocket Barrels, and I went into details about characters having movesets inspired by outside elements from canon (Lip using plant based combat with a magical girl and cheerleader flare, Takamaru using combat inspired by martial arts like battojutsu and laijutsu, Ridley emphasizing as massive size as both a pro and con and being surprisingly potent in the air similar to Sentinel from Marvel vs. Capcom games). But when ever I see Chrom or Lucina, that motivation is struck down and I draw a blank, and I'm the type of person that detested ideas like the weapon switching and tag teaming, because I knew those ideas would suffer hard from balance problems as shown in previous installments in Super Smash Bros.

Now you know how I feel every Paper Mario discussion. I won't lie though, Chrom is a relatively boring prospect on face value.

 

[Zink Imp]

My friend sent me this...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Ike and Chrom are boring.

Talk about not boring Fire Emblem characters

 

[mimgrim]

Eh with how all the newcomers have been so far, inspirational and unique, I think Robin might have the better chance of getting in instead, because of the potential he/she offers far more then any other character from Awakening. Though I would prefer a full mage to a hybird because we really lack a character who is exclusively mid to long range, a full mage like Soren or Micaiha wouldn't need any close range moves, or a manakete with the ability to transform into a dragon, Tiki, or even a Laguz with their own transformation meter, or just even a different weapon from a sword, unless it is the Black Knight who could totally be unique with my idea on how he should be implemented which I would be willing to share if anyone is interested.

 

[Starphoenix]

The only swordsmen I'm interested in seeing from a Nintendo RPG are Shulk and Isaac. They bring much more to the table than just about any other Fire Emblem character circulating.

 

[mimgrim]

The only swordsmen I'm interested in seeing from a Nintendo RPG are Shulk and Isaac. They bring much more to the table than just about any other Fire Emblem character circulating.

Black Knight.

At least with the gimmick idea I have for him. Even though there is no way he would ever get in lol.

 

[Pyra]

Ike and Chrom are boring.

Talk about not boring not Fire Emblem characters

Fixed. Someone mentioned Paper Mario...

I don't understand what the deal is with Paper Mario.
Or rather, why people would rather have Dr. Mario than Paper Mario.

Round 1, fight.

 

[Zink Imp]

The only swordsmen I'm interested in seeing from a Nintendo RPG are Shulk and Isaac. They bring much more to the table than just about any other Fire Emblem character circulating.

Well I'd prefer Marth over both of them. But I would really like to see Chrom or Lucina over Isaac. Shulk, however, I want more than the two.

 

[Chandeelure]

Every time people argue about Chrom, a Leomon dies.
Stop killing off the Leomon, they've got enough to worry about without you causing their deaths.

At least it's not a Wizardmon.

 

[mimgrim]

I now have the urge to watch Digimon again, but can't due to satellite internet. Well actually, this late, I could since it doesn't eat up any gigs from 12 AM-5 AM. But meh.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Fixed. Someone mentioned Paper Mario...

I don't understand what the deal is with Paper Mario.
Or rather, why people would rather have Dr. Mario than Paper Mario.

Round 1, fight.

You know the "How about Both" meme?

I have a better one

How about neither

 

[Morrigan]

My friend sent me this...

Too big.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Blue-Eyes White Dragon was my favourite Digimon.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Digimon? I never got into that. I think I read a Digimon manga but other than that I was never interested in it.

 

[mimgrim]

Blue-Eyes White Dragon was my favourite Digimon.

Don't. Just don't. Please.

 

[PLATINUM7]

You know the "How about Both" meme?

I have a better one

How about neither

This is what I found.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Don't. Just don't. Please.

To be fair, Suezo is my second fave.