Skies of Arcadia Mafia - Game Over! Indy (AM) Wins!

[#HBC | ѕoup]

He's not going to claim anytime soon, Orbo hasn't posted in ****ing ages.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Didn't the game just open in the last few days?

Stop being antsy and just be patient, claims give connections, connections get reads, reads lead to information, information finds scum.

There is nothing to lose from waiting for a claim.

Nothing.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

We'll have tommorow to do that, let's not waste burden and hope that people will follow through, we have enough support and there is no reason to drag the day.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What's a claim going to do? Everyone is PR and frankly a claim doesn't usually decide my vote without my own evidence on a slot. JDietz claimed bodyguard in ERB and you didn't see me stopping my lynch on him.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why would J suggest that LAK has been recruited if they're in a mason?

I never did this nor did I suggest that they were actually recruited. I said LAK was a possibility but that was one I had to go into another route to figure out and LAK has been in the same in the QT as well. I had even suggested that we do a conversation between the three of us in order to sort this entire dilemna out so this is a misunderstanding on your part, Gheb.

I believe I have some time now that plans got cancelled so unlucky me, lucky everyone else. Might be going out later but I have about an hour if so.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I want to progress this game and I want to do more then play around with information we already have, I am actually banking on this flip for my own reads too, so it's important to get rid of him now instead of later.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

On the off chance he flips town and had a role with information for town to use?

That isn't helpful at all amiright?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nobody ever said anything about a quicklynch and you're hopeless if you think that Orbo coming back and pulling out some claim is good enough to keep him alive -.-

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Nobody ever said anything about a quicklynch and you're hopeless if you think that Orbo coming back and pulling out some claim is good enough to keep him alive -.-

You put him at L-1.

I don't want to speed this up quite yet until Lego and Orbo give something.

What does town lose from a little waiting?

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

I want to progress this game and I want to do more then play around with information we already have, I am actually banking on this flip for my own reads too, so it's important to get rid of him now instead of later.

Pretty sure without a clearing claim he dies, so what do we lose from waiting again?

Speed of the game? Who gives a **** about that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Orbo won't give us anything though and Lego announced V/LA for both heads ...

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

On the off chance he flips town and had a role with information for town to use?

That isn't helpful at all amiright?

I could care less about magical power roles.

If he flips town, good. We have more to work with.
If he flips scum, good. We have more to work with.

You talk about stalling the day out to present more information but the only thing we have going right now is waiting on Legolas, because he's the only player that hasn't really done anything, even then, I'm 100% certain that legolas will comment on past events anyways, so your excuse about that is shattered anyways.

Why do you keep fighting this? Do you see any other avenue you want?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

What's the votecount read on Rockin, J, and Orbo?

Hurka durka.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Because that still is possible information for town to use.

I never said, back the **** off and lynch someone else. Let Orbo at least give something for us to work with in addition to his town flip if he does.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

What's the votecount read on Rockin, J, and Orbo?

Hurka durka.

My God, hurka durka the second.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

And this is a large reason why town lost Gigabots.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Hey J baby, what's up?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Town lost gigabots because they got outplayed, everyone is ready to move on.

Why aren't you?

I'm telling you, Orbo town is not going to give us anything at all, and Orbo scum isn't really going to give anything else either.

smh

 

[#HBC | J]

AM, I'm reading the past 5 pages I've missed (I really thought it was only 2) and quoting stuff/trying to respond to them quickly.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

AM, I'm reading the past 5 pages I've missed (I really thought it was only 2) and quoting stuff/trying to respond to them quickly.

Take your time.

 

[#HBC | J]

Time's not really something I have. ;P

 

[Raziek]

Votecount 3.3

1. Rockin: Legolas > Nabe > Gorf > Legolas
2. Nabe
3. Aggressive Mediation (Ryker/WashedLaundry): Soup > Orbo
4. Orboknown: Rockin > Nabe
5. Gheb_01: LAK > Orbo > Gorf > Nabe > AM > Gorf > J > orbo > J > orbo
6. J: Legolas > Gorf > Lego > Gorf > AM > Gorf > Gheb_01 > Rockin
7. KevinM: Soup > Gorf > LAK > AM > Gorf > Rockin > J
8. Soup~: J > Orbo > J > Orbo > J > Rockin > Orbo > Nabe > AM > Rockin > Gorf > Rockin > AM > orbo
9. Lovably Adorable Kanine (Red Ruy/John2k4): Gheb > Soup > Soup > Nabe > Gorf > Rockin
10. Gorf: Orbo > Rockin > Orbo > Nabe > Rockin > Gorf > Rockin
11. Legolas: LAK > Rockin > Rockin > J > Orbo > Rockin > Soup > Rockin > Rockin
12. Marshmellowman (Macman/marshy): Rake > Orbo > Gorf > Rockin > Nabe > Gorf > AM > Gorf > Rockin > Legolas > Rockin > Gheb > orbo
13. JTB: Gheb > Orbo > Rockin > AM > Rockin > Gorf > Rockin

Count

Orboknown (4): AM, Soup~, Marshmellowman, Gheb
Rockin (2): JTB, LAK
J (1): KevinM
Legolas (1): Rockin
Gheb (1): Anon

With 11 alive, 6 to lynch! Deadline is June 27th at 11:59 PM AST!


Looking into prods now.

 

[Raziek]

Orboknown has been prodded, he has not posted within 5 days. I am consulting him with respect to possible replacement in the event he cannot commit time to play this game.

Everyone else has posted, though Legolas prod-dodged.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

WTF, I can't find the log out button on SWF mobile. I'll quote this as soon as I have a computer.

Excuse me if I come across a bit rough this phase, J, but I've not felt this on point in awhile.

Anyway, tell it to me straight. What's your read on Orbo?

 

[#HBC | J]

Read on Orbo is null. There is literally nothing to go off on of his posts alone. The only thing that sticks out to me in terms of connecting Gorf+Orbo is a post Gorf made about being on the Orbo wagon "in spirit" and him not making the commitment to lynching Orbo when the motion came up and instead tried to hide behind the other wagon members.

Speaking of which, I had to re-quote something from D1 and I am sad that we didn't lynch Gorf D1 when I was pushing him so hard. =[

Lynching Orbo gives me vibes that we are just pulling another thing that we did with Nabe D1 where we literally had scum on the other chopping block and decided to lynch the inactive person who could "possibly be lurking scum".

It's alright that you are coming off rough? I thought you were always rough with me though so I was kind of used to it.

Can you tell me why in the world you are letting Gheb get away with scummy BS? Same with KevinM.

 

[#HBC | J]

Another thing that gets me thinking is the potion dilemna, it's entirely WIFOM and I can't make ends or tails of it in terms of whether it was scum trying to be clever with trying to make Orbo look good on a GorfScum flip or Orbo was just town being silly.

Btw, on the topic of potions, I got one last night. Idk if I said this or not yet but I didn't get anything told as to what it was or anything and the reason why the night phase took so long was because I was debating on accepting or declining it. I accepted it in the end.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What scummy BS? I haven't been scummy at all. I hope Ryu's incompetence didn't transmit itself onto you.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gimme a bit.

 

[JTB]

ill be here tonight

that means votes should go back on rockin

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

WTF, I can't find the log out button on SWF mobile. I'll quote this as soon as I have a computer.

Excuse me if I come across a bit rough this phase, J, but I've not felt this on point in awhile.

Anyway, tell it to me straight. What's your read on Orbo?

Beep-boop.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Read on Orbo is null. There is literally nothing to go off on of his posts alone. The only thing that sticks out to me in terms of connecting Gorf+Orbo is a post Gorf made about being on the Orbo wagon "in spirit" and him not making the commitment to lynching Orbo when the motion came up and instead tried to hide behind the other wagon members.

Speaking of which, I had to re-quote something from D1 and I am sad that we didn't lynch Gorf D1 when I was pushing him so hard. =[

Lynching Orbo gives me vibes that we are just pulling another thing that we did with Nabe D1 where we literally had scum on the other chopping block and decided to lynch the inactive person who could "possibly be lurking scum".

It's alright that you are coming off rough? I thought you were always rough with me though so I was kind of used to it.

Can you tell me why in the world you are letting Gheb get away with scummy BS? Same with KevinM.

Ten bucks says recruitee dies with recruiter if Orbo is the recruiter.

I'm not ignoring either. I've talked extensively about Kevin and talked about how much BETTER Gheb's been rather than worse. The only bit I've had an issue with recently is his unvote.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Another thing that gets me thinking is the potion dilemna, it's entirely WIFOM and I can't make ends or tails of it in terms of whether it was scum trying to be clever with trying to make Orbo look good on a GorfScum flip or Orbo was just town being silly.

Btw, on the topic of potions, I got one last night. Idk if I said this or not yet but I didn't get anything told as to what it was or anything and the reason why the night phase took so long was because I was debating on accepting or declining it. I accepted it in the end.

What could GorfScum have been doing visiting OrboTown?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

ill be here tonight

that means votes should go back on rockin

If that's the direction you're set on, go away again. I REALLY hope that's an uninformed statement from having not read.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

So, looking at the viewers, I take it you two are working together on this one?

What's up with you, LAK?

 

[#HBC | J]

So first of all, I'd have to agree that J seems to be the player that was most likely recruited. In the previous Days he seemed to be interested in pursuing mostly Lego and myself to a lesser extent, now it looks like he's all over the place. That's kind of unusual for a player I have as somewhat stubborn, somewhat tunnely in my memory. The first few posts from this Day alone make me uneasy:

I don't know how this matters so much as to not count as fishing tbh. Really don't see what kind of information you'd get from it that could help you as town.

I don't see how any of that adds up? You say 'Lego is meeeeh' but that's not what you said the last Days and I don't particularly remember Kevin being a first-choice lynch for you. In the same hand you switched from 'Don't see Rockin scum', to 'Rockin is impossible for me to read', to 'I'm down to lynch Rockin' within a handful of posts. What happened to your Lego read to have him as 'meeeh' all of a sudden? Can't remember you having him anywhere other than your scumlist. Considering your last post ['Bye-bye, Rockin.'] you also seem to be pretty carefree about lynching somebody you supposedly can't see as scum.

@ j

so do you see a resemblance between my play this dayphase and my play in hearts as your scumbuddy?

None at all and that really wasn't what I was getting at. It's actually completely opposite of your play in Hearts and the thing is your play toDay at the beginning of the phase had been different from your play the previous two days which gave me pause.

Whole paragraph of virtually saying nothing. You also voted Lego out of nowhere the previous Days as I can't recall any sort of elaboration from your side but when other players do it it's suddenly 'weeeeeeeeeeird man'?

Yeah!


...

No.

What?! You do not recall my Lego suspicion at all? You have got to be kidding me Gheb. I was the main proponent of the Lego wagon yesterDay and I made a huge *** wall on him because of the fact he was scummy as all get out the previous two days. Let me bring it up:

[Collapse=Lego/Gorf case]

This is the thing that gets me back into this game.

My pushes are bad? What are you talking about? It's completely hypocritical to say that my pushes are bad on Soup of all people when your slot actually wagon hopped onto them and you even said that half the hydra that you co-exist with has Soup as a scum-read so you may have a "townish" read but the fact is you are trying to use that I pushed Soup as a reason to call me scum which is completely terrible. Especially when I am not the main pusher of the Soup wagon, you don't call out anyone else who has ever pushed Soup and decide to try and paint the blame on me. You say you "can't see why my conclusion is different than you" yet you apparantly can see the conclusion of other players like AM? I find that hard to believe. I do not get why you are trying to say that I have to have similar reads to you to be town in your eyes which does not make sense at all.

This also becomes more of a "......." when the fact is your slot bandwagon'd the Soup wagon. I also feel you are only beginning to hand out your town reads to whomever calls you town as well since Gorf/Soup are the only ones to truly do as such in a blatant manner. The only other person I recall calling you towny was AM sooooo yeah. However, you have yet to explain your Gorf/Soup town reads but are trying to condemn me for having a scum-read on both the slots?

I'm actually going to bring up our Soup reads, and I'm gonna show you something really carefully:





Our reasoning for disliking Soup is pretty much the same as well besides the +1 to my side of the explanation for me not liking his reaction to Ryker's push on him. So Swords, how can you not understand where my PoV is, especially considering, that we are thinking exactly the same thing w.r.t. Soup and why I have a scum-read on him. Also, I would like to ask, how can you not see a scum-read on a slot, when half of you also has that similar scum-read?

I mean you aren't even looking at things through another perspective.

Gorf and Soup have completely gone off the radar as soon as the wagons on them have dissapated and they do not sseem to care who gets lynched toDay as long as it is not them. Soup's vote on me is just opportunisitic to the dislike that is arising from your slot and KevinM who hasn't pointed out anything scummy with my slot but a bunch of nulls as he says himself.

Gorf is someone I am going to explain here much moreso, Gorf has done absolutely 0 scum-hunting this game and is just content to float on his reads. He is not making a single push by himself and is 100% okay with being a crowd-surfer. His explanations for his reads are incredibly lacking and does not make sense at all. Why does he have certain reads as town and why does he have certain things as scummy. He makes general blanket statements to back up his reads, like a good example would be his read on you where he says "How can this possibly be scumLego?" instead of actually explaining what about your slot is towny. He has just hopped on the other bandwagons and "been there in spirit" but continues to not do anything whatsoever. Gorf has not done anything this game unless it is in response to someone else and hasn't decided to do anything on his own. He is just content to ride on the coattails of others in this game and it's scummy as all get out. So explain to me Lego, how is Gorf=Town in your eyes? You have yet to explain how nor have you done anything but say a lot of things.

That's a thing about you this game, you say a lot of words, but you don't have anything really to back it up that isn't hypocritical or a bunch of air. Your "suspicion" on me is weak and you are trying to push it just to push it on the basis that our reads do not co-incide. Then let me ask you, Lego, what makes you of all the other people who have different reads then you or view other slots as scummy that you view as town? You haven't called out Marshmellow, Gheb, KevinM, LAK, AM, or anyone else. So am I safe to assume that these are all scum-reads of yours? Especially double for those who have pushed Gorf/Soup as well.

In fact, you haven't even explained fully why you have me as scum, you back out of giving a real reason or backing up exactly what you mean to say by having me as scum by saying this tiny little line:



Which is just hollow as all get-out. You don't really care for anything I have posted so far?This is just a generalization of what I have actually done in order to cover your *** if called out on it where you can take anything you want of my posts and try and construe it as scummy. yet you don't even try and back up anything what you are saying w.r.t. your read on me and I find it as complete bull.

Then in a question to AM you say this:



You just go back to saying that my initial jump on you+Gorf was bad, when the fact is AM agreed to what I was saying at Gorf because Gorf has been scummy this game but you are deciding to turn a blind eye just to that fact for an undetermined reason.

*Side-note*

You have called the Gorf push bad and have left it at that. Nowhere, do you fully explain why the Gorf push is bad when people have explained why he is scummy. If you disagree with that wagon, then why is he so obv-town that we should not push that slot? You haven't pointed this out at all, Swords. What makes me believe that you guys have him as town is purely based on the fact that he has a town-read on your slot and that is giving you the reason to like him.

/side-note

In the question towards AM, you are just trying to appeal to him by asking him the same question twice as to asking him to go with you on me which is grimy, especially when you don't back up your said reasoning and the thing is, AM agreed with me on the Gorf push so by calling it a bad push/not liking it, you are essentially calling AM's push/dislike of Gorf bad/scummy. I mean look at this:



So Lego, what do you make of this then?

Actually, let's talk about AM some more here. You say you dislike the Soup push, why have you not done anything about his push on Soup if you feel that strongly about it and especially if you feel that strongly enough to push a scum-read on me for having a similar read on Soup? Do you remember that you actually said you like AM's equation?



You tell AM to get off Soup, without explaining SoupTown I might add, while also appealing to him by saying "yeah I like his equation" by saying that you actually can see the fact that Soup could be scum.

You don't really care about my Soup push because you have him as town. You care about the Soup push because you are trying to make it look like my actions are scummier than they actually are which is garbage. You are holding a double standard to other players in the game and the fact is, you are not explaining your actions to a full degree. You haven't did not do as such with your Rockin read which as all but disappeared as of late, you didn't really explain your scum-read on me besides to the point of saying you don't like my reads, and to top it all off, you have not explained your town-reads on the two biggest opposing wagons.

Also let me attack this point of "my reads" being my biggest scum-tell to you.

I have different reads than you. So?

How in the world is having different reads scummy at all? It isn't. You haven't pointed out anything w.r.t. my pushes, you've just said they were "bad" or "not good reads" which is terrible because how is this scummy? I cannot fathom how you are trying to find that I have different reads scummy and you are reaching for a point to call me scum.

Lemme ask you, should I find you scummy for not having similar reads to mine? According to your logic, I should. However, that's not the reason I find you scummy. Instead:

So either do a couple of this options please:

A.) Realize that I'm not scum and go somewhere else.
B.) Stay on me and actually show how I'm scummy in your eyes.
C.) Get lynched. <3

I'm done now there is absolutely nothing else I could possibly explain any more clearer.

[/collapse]

Also you are seriously misconstruing what I was doing. I wasn't saying that Marshy was scummy for calling Lego scummy because he had been doing as such with me the previous days. The weird part about marshy is that he had also been wanting Rockin for quite some time now and then when he was finally about to get Rockin, he backed out just when the hammer was about to happen which ended up dismanteling the entire Rockin wagon. Plus he didn't give much reason to his switch which made me look at him differently because of it.

I am shocked mainly because of you trying to say that I had never previously justified my LegoScum read from previous phases because that is something I definitely did and was the one who got the case on Gorf going. And more so when you posted this:

So you think AM, KevinM, Rockin and Gheb are all good plays and also either Marshy or LAK are potential recruitees. That's more than half of the game's roster he accuses of somehow being related to scum. Yeah, that's what we call being 'all over the place'.

What do you think of JTB / Orbo? I have a feeling that you're OK with too many people being gone.

You are seriously twisting my lynch pool into something that looks a lot worse than it actually is.

I have even stated recently that I don't wish to lynch Rockin. I've had you/KevinM/AM on my good plays list since yesterDay and in my mind, the best possibly recruiters would be my two biggest town reads which are Marshy/LAK. I don't feel like lynching Soup/JTB at all because they are pretty much equally strong if not stronger town reads. Here is a better portrayl of how my reads actually look and the like:

Updated reads:

Town
Soup
Marshmellowman
JTB
J
LAK

Null
Rockin (null-town)
Orboknown
Aggressive Mediation

Scum
Legolas
KevinM
Gheb

*adjusted a bit*

So can you tell me how my reads have "drastically" changed and I am "okay" with over "half" the player list going? Also I have another thing I need to ask you is why in the world are you harping on me for calling MarshMan a possible recruitee when you yourself have been trying to call him out as a possible recruitment yourself, with much worse logic that doesn't even hold true to what MarshMan has been doing.

I am not going "all over the place" so please come at me with facts that are correct. I am sorry if I am coming off a bit more biting in this post to you, Gheb. It is just I am getting semi-annoyed to due what has happened today in game and in my real life and you just happen to be getting the brunt of it.

Btw, your #975 kinda completely breaks down how J's suspicions are BS made out of thin air. All the accusations he raises against you call out the fact that you've acted exactly the way like I would've expected you as townie. I'm baffled how you don't see it and how long you let it slide but get thrown off so hard by people suspecting you.

Vote J

J / Orb
AM
LAK

Lynchpool in order of preference. I none of those 4 dies toDay I give up on you guys.

Since when have you been okay with AM going? Also with out mason-claim, you literally lose two of your scum-picks(in my eyes) and that leaves you with Orbo, which you have clung to/not really done much with all game and tried to construe his null as heck posts as scummy and then this somewhat arbritrary AM suspicion that comes out of nowehere WHICH you have now decided to brush aside and started to work together with AM....what in the world are you doing?

Can you please cite where you've taken Orbo's side prior to this day phase? I'm not saying you haven't, but I certainly don't remember it.

I've always had Orbo as null and I can't find a post where I specifically state as such but I really haven't touched much upon him, otherwise, besides when I was dealing with Gorf.

So that's Gheb, J, and Marshy that don't want to lynch Rockin.

J, why's that and why were you voting him earlier?

I explained why I was okay with voting Rockin earlier because I have literally no clue how to read him properly and he is probably the hardest person on this site for me to read correctly and consistently. His play just naturally comes off as scummy or helpless townie no matter which way I try and read him, however if we are talking in meta terms, his play is almost like black and white as compared to Celeb Rehab because this game when he is pushed, he is pushing back with more ferocity and also much more of a standing as to what he is doing. Yes, his lack of claiming is bad, but what makes that action more scummy>anti-town. He literally stated that he was just butthurt over the fact that he is always pushed around in games and is a player who is just saved by his claim so I can see that logic. Plus after the fake-hammering with Rockin, I started to see more of a town-intent on what Rockin is and realized he is a slot that required more research and looking into, therefore, not a lynch I am confident on toDay and probably one I will not be hoping one over others unless in certain circumstances (like needing of a hammer, deadline, blahblahblah)

For the record even without the whole recruitment thing J's play toDay doesn't sit right with me at all and warrants a lynch but since we're finally getting rid of Orbo that's just as good.

Unvote Vote Orboknown

You were trying to throw me in as not only a recruitment possibility, but also as possible one of the original scummers and just trying to justify my lynch in any terms possible to help you get rid of me. So this logic is also thrown out, now that you know I am a mason which kind of just puts a foot into your own mouth here. You are also trying to set me up for a lynch toMorrow and do sort of a lynch line of "Orbo>J, let's just get it done, doesn't matter the order, they should just die." instead of actually looking at things through a bigger picture.

whos scum

Given above but I would like one of Gheb/KevinM toDay. Could settle for Lego, but grrr that read is hard.

Unvote
Vote: Gheb_01

 

[#HBC | J]

Nah man, I have been working solo atm. We've yet to fully talk more in detail because John is busy.

That is an interesting train of thought I have been playing with (when talking about the recruiter), but what makes you think Orbo is the recruiter or the fact that Orbo was possibly recruited?

 

[#HBC | J]

Shoot forgot to addresse the first quote, getting to that now.

 

[#HBC | J]

Never mind, it was already responded to in a later post/part.

 

[#HBC | J]

What could GorfScum have been doing visiting OrboTown?

This is also something that doesn't make sense at all either. Why would GorfScum be going after OrboTown in terms of giving him a potion?

This game is confusing, even when we do end up lynching scum.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

It's time for you to hang, J. Post incoming.