SINGLES Lucario Match-Ups and Directory! Mario will brb saving a princess

[Steam]

Aura doesn't increase the range of any of lucario's attacks though :/

 

[Browny]

...

People... Still think that...

How is that even possible.

 

[phi1ny3]

I think he meant that figuratively, like the trade along with the range makes a further incentive to be able to use it safely.

 

[Steam]

I sure hope that's what he meant :I

 

[z00ted]

lol phil got what I meant.

I should have rephrased that, I looked like a ****ing ****** xD

 

[phi1ny3]

don't feel bad, with all this rebecca black's friday business going around without mod, mods, moderation, and spam here.

lady gaga would be impressed, 10chars is not easy to accomplish. ponies should be pony by singularity, lucario rocks against peach

brawl is campy that way, and it doesn't help that di makes everyone live longer, with all the momentum canceling coming from nairs, fairs, bairs, and uairs. Call of duty is overrated, metaknight would beat that all dai.

Mew2King, I wonder what happens when he namesearches today XD. His melee Sheik and marth are super, and his brawl metaknight is good any day of the week, whether it's monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, or sunday.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

FD is fun against Peach, so is Lylat.

 

[gantrain05]

FD isn't too bad for peach in the MU, lylat however.....efffff that stage. just my personal opinion anyway

 

[Tony T]

Just watch out for random items and heavy turnips from peach I play Dark Pch alot in NY, also beware her f-airs.

 

[IceDX]

peach is horrible vs lucario..

 

[gantrain05]

peach is horrible vs lucario..

disagree, its probably 55/45 lucario honestly, yeah we have a hard time killing and that makes u stronger blah blah blah, but you also have one of the easiest characters to gimp.

 

[IceDX]

disagree, its probably 55/45 lucario honestly, yeah we have a hard time killing and that makes u stronger blah blah blah, but you also have one of the easiest characters to gimp.

you really think lucario is easy to gimp ?


its not unless you di in the wrong direction..


imo anyway

 

[gantrain05]

with the ledgefloating and turnips, we can easily force u to land on stage with your UpB and then ledge float Bair/Fair/Nair u back offstage again. basically anytime u need to use your UpB and we are in a position to get to the ledge first ur gonna have a very difficult time getting back.

 

[IceDX]

with the ledgefloating and turnips, we can easily force u to land on stage with your UpB and then ledge float Bair/Fair/Nair u back offstage again. basically anytime u need to use your UpB and we are in a position to get to the ledge first ur gonna have a very difficult time getting back.

ok so it can get adguarded not gimpt..

 

[gantrain05]

same thing in my opinion =P but this is all just from my own personal lucario experience. i've never had too many problems edgegaurding/gimping any lucarios i've really played. im just here to share my experience and opinions with u guys

 

[IceDX]

same thing in my opinion =P but this is all just from my own personal lucario experience. i've never had too many problems edgegaurding/gimping any lucarios i've really played. im just here to share my experience and opinions with u guys

well thanks, there arent that many good lucario players btw..

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

This isn't 2008. Every half-decent player should know how to DI upwards.

We are floaty, we can use DAir to stall until there is an opportune time to land, and we have a fairly decent projectile.

Lucario can play pretty much any way he wants before he gets to around 60% - 70% against Peach, then we will pitch a tent, roast some marshmallows, and camp.

Peach may be difficult to combo, but she has a lot going against her in this MU and fortunately Aura is one of our strong points.

Against Peach Strike/Ban Battlefield.

Lylat screws with her float, so you shouldn't be afraid to CP that. Japes if it is legal if you want to like live until 200%, but expect super duper campy matches.

One thing that might often go overlooked is Peach is heavier than Marth. According to this http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Weight she is heavier than... Mario?

Spoiler

Well figures with all the things she stores in her butt...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I knew she was heavier than Martha, but also Mario? Wut.

She can edgeguard Lucario, maybe gimp on a hard read at the ledge but that's all I see tbh.

 

[phi1ny3]

I'll be honest, lucario will be pretty safe recovering as long as you don't fall asleep on fair when coming back onstage, and if you don't have to recover from below. Turnips are a pain to deal with when recovering from below, I died when Praxis hit me once with one because I mispaced my dair stall, the turnip hit me, and I did a fastfall dair from the hitstun

 

[D. Disciple]

stop spamming dair

 

[IceDX]

stop spamming dair

this......

 

[phi1ny3]

haha yeah, dair habits will kill you in this MU probably the worst out of any.

A good read on dair from Peach will get you utilted or sweetpot usmashed, which kills really early, just what Peach would need to win. iirc uair also outranges dair.

 

[iRJi]

Does anyone know the cool down after dair comes out?

 

[phi1ny3]

Depends on what you mean by that, you mean just plain old frames you have to wait? And are we talking lucario or peach dair?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Shall we move on to another character?

 

[IceDX]

Shall we move on to another character?

my vote goes to FOX

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

my vote goes to FOX

I approve since there are mixed feelings about this MU from what was discussed with the chart.

Fox is up.

 

[phi1ny3]

I used to have people who went on Fox stints because it was trendy to have a pocket fox for awhile. Most of them were fairly smart players with characters in general, so I'm gonna say that my experience with them was... adequate.

Well, with Lucario, I saw how quickly he gets ***** when TKD played against Ice playing lucario traditionally, so I basically did what NEO called "camping in your face", except I did it with a loooooooooot more room in between me and Fox, so that it looked tempting enough to punish, but it was too far away to just plainly punish everyone of my whiffs. If he's lasering, you have to do a lot of full hop shenanigans and watch out for uair, and when he wises up to this strat, you start mixing it up getting in close. Never challenge fox from below, unless he's within fullhop fair range, and only use fsmash in he has a nair/dair habit coming down, which good foxes rarely have. Usmash has an invincible collision on top, so don't expect dair to save you, even though you shouldn't do it anyways because it would trade even without <_<

Definitely fox advantage, not sure by how much, I'd say it ranges between -1 at optimum to -2/-3 on his CP.

 

[Pitbuller26]

I used to have people who went on Fox stints because it was trendy to have a pocket fox for awhile. Most of them were fairly smart players with characters in general, so I'm gonna say that my experience with them was... adequate.

Well, with Lucario, I saw how quickly he gets ***** when TKD played against Ice playing lucario traditionally, so I basically did what NEO called "camping in your face", except I did it with a loooooooooot more room in between me and Fox, so that it looked tempting enough to punish, but it was too far away to just plainly punish everyone of my whiffs. If he's lasering, you have to do a lot of full hop shenanigans and watch out for uair, and when he wises up to this strat, you start mixing it up getting in close. Never challenge fox from below, unless he's within fullhop fair range, and only use fsmash in he has a nair/dair habit coming down, which good foxes rarely have. Usmash has an invincible collision on top, so don't expect dair to save you, even though you shouldn't do it anyways because it would trade even without <_<

Definitely fox advantage, not sure by how much, I'd say it ranges between -1 at optimum to -2/-3 on his CP.

In my and your case, it's called going Sheik.

 

[phi1ny3]

Yeah haha, tilt lock is pretty legit.

 

[Browny]

-3 lmao

You know how you guys can play super carefully vs ics to not get grabbed and turn a theoretical 0:100 matchup into something more even. Do that. Its called dont get usmashed. We aint dk, sheild and aerials actually work.

 

[phi1ny3]

umm, I really wish I could show those videos, they're not up anymore.

Ice is a fairly good lucario, not top, but definitely knows his stuff.

HE COULDN'T TOUCH TKD, like at all lol. He got lucky to get a stock off of him.

usmash from a good fox is really hard to bait safely.

Besides, that's -3 at most ON HIS CP. aka Halberd and the like, if those are banned, it's much more manageable.

 

[Browny]

I saw those videos. Pretty typical tkd stuff which he does to the best marths, mks, snakes etc. doesnt make it a -1 to -3.

If fox (not tkd, big difference) is really that horrible, lucario would have a whole lot more -2s and -3s vs the rest of the cast, with a few -4s on certain character cps imo.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I saw those videos. Pretty typical tkd stuff which he does to the best marths, mks, snakes etc. doesnt make it a -1 to -3.

If fox (not tkd, big difference) is really that horrible, lucario would have a whole lot more -2s and -3s vs the rest of the cast, with a few -4s on certain character cps imo.

I have to agree with this.

I feel like this is still even like I said for the chart, I think Lucario can face Fox just fine as a character.

I'll have to make a larger post in a bit I guess why I feel that way.

 

[gantrain05]

just curious, im a fox secondary and i feel as if fox were to play a campy laserfest keepaway type of game and force you to approach, you will have a much much tougher time in the MU. fortunately most foxes don't do that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I could understand sentiment of -1, -3 though, no way.

 

[Kuares]

just curious, im a fox secondary and i feel as if fox were to play a campy laserfest keepaway type of game and force you to approach, you will have a much much tougher time in the MU. fortunately most foxes don't do that.

You are correct, if Fox were to do nothing but the runaway game, since Lucario's mildly slow it'd still be a tough thing to beat because of his quick run, jump, and attacks. It's difficult unless, as you say, the Fox gets bored and approaches.

Stage wise, the only thing Fox's don't like as much are Lylat and PS1 but that's only because of recovery. Everything else is fine but he especially likes FD, Halberd, and Smashville(I think...) and I would not like battlefield because of the small space but that's just me.


Random Fact: Lucario can crouch under lasers if Fox is doing the work of Short hop laser x(1/2/3), but if Fox is grounded and lasering, Lucario get's hit.

 

[Steam]

I honestly think Fox is harder than MK. 3rd hardest matchup and a solid -2...

and it's one that I could easily see being a hard counter later on... Fox can pretty much just run away and deal with everything accordingly... but fox gets punished hard for mistakes.

 

[phi1ny3]

like I said, not -3 on average, I would just hate to play fox on a flat area with low ceilings.

Probably the realm of -1/-2 is much more likely.

 

[Steam]

yeah overall it's a -2.

but I honestly think the higher the level of play gets the worse this matchup gets.